Le Glabal Heatdeath Thread

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

Found this on /n/ by sheer chance. granted the article on it is from Brietfart.

“Action on climate change”, in other words, is the decadent preoccupation of spoilt Westerners who have nothing serious to worry about because they have all the basics – education, healthcare, jobs, political freedoms, phone and internet access – more or less covered. The poll gives the lie to all those people – usual of a left-liberal persuasion – who insist that more needs to be done, more scarce resources diverted, to ‘combat’ climate change.

archive.is/pr1TL

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=KzatOQd_c9k
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Weather_Modification_Office
ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/index.htm
ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/134.htm
ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/017.htm

Andrew Scott
Andrew Scott

Out of everything that worries me about the next 4 years climate change is on the very top of that list.

Nolan Perry
Nolan Perry

automation reaches a critical threshold right as capitalists finish raping the environment to death
basically pic related happens to you if you don't stay near the poles
they decide that proles are now simply parasites
unleash swarms of killer androids to slaughter those who didn't die to climate issues
porky creates FALC for himself without even realizing it or intending it

Chase Reyes
Chase Reyes

We've already passed the point of no return tbh. Best we can do now is minimise the damage. Even if we had world socialism tomorrow, it wouldn't be enough.

Ayden Price
Ayden Price

B-but what about all this other shit we don't care about either?
t. capitalists

Justin Harris
Justin Harris

Only thing I can see to ensure our survival is domed heat resistant cities/transhumanism until the lights go out.

Levi Ward
Levi Ward

people unironically belive we can achieve all of that with a crumbling ecosystem

why are people so ecocucked?

making it harder to exist in this planet will only make it harder to achieve a fully automatd society because of the increasing challenges in logistcis, for example, in a certain point of the past people could easily get water by simply going to a river and drinking all the water you needed, now, because rivers are polluted as fuck we need bottled water otherwise we would die

its retarded

Brody Barnes
Brody Barnes

Deliberate dumbing down of education is part of the problem. What's funny is if they actually had a better education like the most, climate change would take it's place almost instantly, if out of desperation.

Josiah Carter
Josiah Carter

This whole thing worries me and it really shouldn't since there's ultimately no point. How long do we have?

Ian Reyes
Ian Reyes

Will people still keep claiming that climate change is a lie when the Maldives and Bangladesh go underwater? Will they still say it's a lie when the biggest refugee crisis in history will happen?

If you think you have a skill that can help alleviate our situation, you can travel abroad to work with people in non-burger/anglo countries. Seriously, everywhere else is the least spooked.

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

almost certainly. they'll just complain about the refugees rather than consider what caused them

Joshua Flores
Joshua Flores

they'll just complain about the refugees rather than consider what caused them

so then basically /pol/'s entire worldview

Kayden Ortiz
Kayden Ortiz

this makes me want to agree with the concept of the vanguard party

Mason Adams
Mason Adams

better move north boys. way north

Isaac Thompson
Isaac Thompson

tfw stuck in Manitoba.

I'm also hearing that the south of the equator is going to be more preferable for a while, before permanent night night.

Parker Roberts
Parker Roberts

South America might be mostly fine.

James Sanders
James Sanders

tfw between the tropic of cancer and the ecuator

a pleasure posting with you gentlemen

Jaxson Anderson
Jaxson Anderson

Sounds like it's time for some space communism.

I've already switched to solar power, and I advise everyone to do the same. Then get an electric car if you can afford one.

Luke Williams
Luke Williams

Technically communism is the abolishment of both proletariat and bourgeoisie, so if all the proletatiat is killed the porkies don't exist because porkie needs to exploit in order to be porkie.

CAPITALIST REVOLUTION NOW

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

TFW I search up geoengineering on YT and find a bunch of lolberts and conspiratards bitching about it.

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

Jaxson Brooks
Jaxson Brooks

One video in question for cringe:
youtube.com/watch?v=KzatOQd_c9k

I can see why Anonymous isn't taken seriously anymore.

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

Let me remind everyone that the US (and probably other countries) have had weather manipulation technology for several decades now:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye

Joshua Murphy
Joshua Murphy

China has developed the best weather technology. They piss off all their neighbors by seeding clouds to rain for crops in their territory and not leaving any for their neighbors. Pretty cool stuff actually.

Dylan Barnes
Dylan Barnes

This is real? Will it even help? I'm losin it.

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

I doubt it will help.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Weather_Modification_Office

Jose Richardson
Jose Richardson

Affordable and nutritious food 3,983,941
Access to clean water and sanitation 3,578,073
Reliable energy at home 2,898,278
Protecting forests, rivers and oceans 2,501,337

All of these are "Action taken on climate change" written another way. A big problem with the language used to describe the "fight" against climate change is that it mimics all the other self-congratulatory moral crusades like the war on cancer, poverty, drugs etc. which people are well aware of of as being bullshit on the same level of self-help or western Buddhism, i.e. shit to make western consumers feel less guilty. In the totalising cry for war, all necessary nuance, complexity and interrelation is removed. To wage a war on something means to hate it, and to hate something means you deny its right to exist which is really just the other side of the coin of climate change denial (think about when liberals say that they "can't accept" that police brutality occurs/trump is president etc all it means is that these things shouldn't be happening in their idea of an infallible neo-liberal democracy). Both are self-indulgent wank to free people having to think about things structurally.

So in some ways I agree with the article, action on climate change IS useless. But if we focus on developing sustainable systems for growing nutritious food, providing clean water etc. we'll find that the climate crisis will take care of itself.

Asher Thompson
Asher Thompson

The only thing really "to ‘combat’ climate change" is to stop burning coal and oil.
So more renewable energy, more nuclear power, more electric cars, and investing in nuclear fusion research.
I really don't understand how anyone could think that this is a bad thing.

Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

when agricorp seeds clouds near your sharecropping land you rent from farmcorp and you can no longer pay your debts and thus are executed for violating the NAP (not paying debts is theft)

Samuel Robinson
Samuel Robinson

People want their personal needs fulfilled before they start thinking about the future.

Most "climate" spending goes to party activists and the mafia, but that's another story.

Angel Kelly
Angel Kelly

They have a point here. Geoengineering/cloud-seeding may well be having adverse effects on other aspects of the environment and our health.

Kevin Thompson
Kevin Thompson

It can help stop sunrays getting to earth in the first place. So yes, clouds kinda help. But this ain't a solution.

Luke Davis
Luke Davis

Don't let the hype on global warming worry you too much. Mainstream ICC consensus posits a ~3°C temperature increase and ~0.15 meter sea level rise by 2050. Barring highly unlikely death-spiral scenarios like clathrate guns or current inversions, that is very bad, but far from catastrophic.

Now remember the undeniable fact that what the neolib establishment represented by Clinton/Obama/Clinton offered (Kyoto/Paris treaties, carbon credits, limited backing of sustainable tech and conservation, continued subsidies to unsustainable tech) were symbolic paeans blatantly inadequate to actually fixing anything, and the short-term environmental costs risked through the accelerationist path of Trump (FAR better opposed by the mainstream "left", even if only for purely partisan reasons) are unquestionably worthwhile.

People keep hyping automation without "strong AI" as some magical quantum leap in economics and technology, but the simple truth is we theoretically could've done the a century ago if we were content with average quality of life on par with a medieval monk.

Due to Jevons' Paradox, infinitely increasing demand means that increases to efficiency don't cause decreases in labor, but merely increases in production to the limit labor capacity allows. Unless people reject greater riches, newer technology, and societal progress whole cloth, FALC is fundamentally impossible given human nature.

It's more of a long range thing (probably), but the coming of the next glacial period means we'll eventually need to artificially manipulate the climate anyways. Unless we don't mind everything north of Sacramento being buried under ice.

This. Almost every single thing needed to fight global warming is also a highly lucrative reform to our civilization in the short term, and a necessary step in acquiring sustainable technology to prevent the regular economic shocks of our current subpar infrastructure in the long term.

It's like NASA or other blue sky R&D spending, the long term rewards are gigantic, but the steady stream of immediate spinoffs are nothing to scoff at.

Ryder Rivera
Ryder Rivera

Forgot pics

Luke Ortiz
Luke Ortiz

rising temperatures and perpetual drought has so completely fucked Somalia's farmland that the only option is to wait for everyone to either migrate or die
drought and famine in Syria lead to mass unrest and a new ISIS foothold
the Solomon Islands are sinking
Brazil is turning into a desert

lol only spoilled 1st world lie-brul babbies care about climate change

I, on the other hand, completely support Trump's energy policy of "burn everything." Fuck this species, it deserves to choke to death on its own ashes.

Henry Clark
Henry Clark

Does this account for methane release from arctic ice melting?

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

Why not start with yourself?

Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

Bumpity.

Austin Phillips
Austin Phillips

I think so, this is the latest edition of the report most of my assumptions are based on:
ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/index.htm

These two chapters describe estimates of methane emissions and their sources, concluding with some uncertainty that recent increases are primarily attributable to direct anthropogenic activities such as agriculture, industry, land clearance, and waste disposal, also that there is little evidence of clathrate thaw feedback loops in past deglaciations:
ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/134.htm
ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/017.htm

Elijah Anderson
Elijah Anderson

Due to Jevons' Paradox, infinitely increasing demand means that increases to efficiency don't cause decreases in labor, but merely increases in production to the limit labor capacity allows. Unless people reject greater riches, newer technology, and societal progress whole cloth, FALC is fundamentally impossible given human nature.

I'm sceptical of this notion. Our forever increasing consumption is a function of capitalism perpetuating itself. Advertising is a perversely huge industry and penetrates every aspect of our lives.

Ayden Thomas
Ayden Thomas

Is capitalism really responsible for consumerism? Surely, it distorts the exact direction of peoples' desires, but I think it's a stretch to declare that it inflames them.

Take the much-vaunted prospect of "self-driving" cars. Does anybody with the slightest bit of reflection really think we'll just fire all the truckers to save a few bucks on our existing transit capabilities, or can we all agree that such technology would instead result in swarms of delivery robots for things currently thought of as too trivial to deliver, billions or trillions until we exhausted the human labor force's capacity for air-traffic controller-like "meta-truckers", maintenance technicians, inspectors, and such?

An obvious precedent would be the computer industry, instead of reducing the amount of paper and the number of people employed in offices to shuffle them, we instead use more paper than ever, and in lieu of flatfooted gofers, we employ about the same number of people in programming, sysadmin, and network technician jobs. All because we record, transmit, and manipulate once-unthinkable amounts of information on once-excessively-trivial subjects with highly efficient automation assisted IT workers.

Some, perhaps many, are natural monks. But I think such people are very much deviants rather than normal people.

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