Elder Scrolls lore

We haven't had one in a long time, so lets try it. No waifu, only Todd posting allowed.

Recently I've been mulling over Imperial lore in Morrowind and contrasting it to the first Pocket Guide to the Empire. It's striking how Colovians resemble western Europeans in their knightly etiquette and the the will to progress. I also found it sad to see people of Nibenay so downplayed in Oblivion. From what I gather, they're supposed to be the religious heart of the Cyrodiil, having many cults and basically being crazy Slavs who rose to prominence as mages and spiritual authorities.
Imperial city should've been a place of high contrast. Colovian high districts, smiths and political palaces. Nibenayian fisher and trader villages on the river and prestigious temples. In the very heart of the city, an aristocracy made of both, connected to each other thru prestigious Akaviri snake facial features.

Basically, human empire worked like this:
Nords would make the bulk of the army size. Colovians would do the commanding and deal with foreign affairs. Nibenayians would shill for the Imperial cult and offer trade. And Bretons would do the internal scheming and offer battle mages.
tfw Todd denied us this

Also, dwemer had the best beards.

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Oblivion should have been a covert-ops RPG where we assisted the Blades in unraveling the cult activities of the Mythic Dawn. The setting would be the Imperial City. Just the city, except expanded, with full functional quests and factions added within it.

It's not like the dungeons were diverse enough to justify open-world exploration. Just one city, with the jungles of Cyrodiil visible across the water. The city bridges would be shutdown. Oblivion Gates would only appear a few times. So on, so forth.

so Ive been reading the 36 sermons in morrowind, and could someone explain to me what the fuck happened between molag baal and vivec

One of my top tree dream TES games would definitely be a Skyrim sized Imperial City game. Or City of Cyrodiilis for the oldfags :^)

Around the city, rice fields surrounded by jungles that turn into swamps before opening into makeshift villages on the shore of the lake tainted with red color or local flora. This is the start of the city. Here, almost the whole way around the lake deals are struck and cargo transported - both people and goods.

And the city proper, made of islands turned to labyrinthine thousands of year old improvised housing on elven city ruins. Poverty and wood mixed with perfect golden foundations which get more prominent until you get to the very heart of the city. A place of impossible wealth, housing Emperor's palace and the tower in the center of the Universe.

They fucked and had a bunch of weird spawn and Vivec bit off his cock-head while blowing his rape-dick and affixed it to a spear shaft

MUATRA

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Here comes the Lizard porn.

Molag Bal made Vivec his boytoy, except he got bored with the boy thing and made him into a bitch. Their children might have been real or just a metaphor for various ideas and experiences Vivec had. Either way, I think killing of children with his dick symbolizes the rejection of daedric knowledge and ascension to a higher level. CHIM.

dude skooma lmao

Are you asking for some?

By "Elder Scrolls lore" you just mean "Morrowind lore", right?

Shit was cash, the Daedra lords summoning was weird as fuck.

Mankar stuff from Oblivion was okay.
Daggerfall's Barenziah is maymay material.
Skyrim had lots of good stuff used to plug holes and unknowns in Morrowind. What I wrote about in the OP is hugely based on Redguard lore from before Morrowind.

Who is hype for the new work on Dres lands?

I am. I don't really want to play Morrowind though, it gets kind of samey, every character is either a warrior or a mage, because thief and murderer characters are worthless.

After playing Morrowind to death for so many years at this point I'm just patiently waiting for the entirety of TR to be finished, now that OpenMW is in a playable state and, as far as I know, they're both compatible

I wish this was a Morrowind mod.

Wouldn't work. There'd probably be a lot of sneaking around, which Morrowind is awful at.

Getting pretty fucking sick of hearing this.

Open Morrowind is an open source rewrite of the game engine, the magic file which reads and executes game data. Tamriel Rebuilt is an expansion pack, aka game data for the engine to read and execute. Considering the game data is exactly the same format which is used in the original Morrowind, and considering OMW is designed to read and execute that exact format, there is no reason why the two would ever be "incompatible".

Old mods made using script extenders for the original engine would be incompatible, but TR does not.

Why are Ald'ruhn's walls in such shit condition? Also, who did vos originally belong to? first I thought hlaaly, but then I realised the architecture(ignoring all the mushroom) doesn't look like hlaalu. Now of course tel vos was originally imperial fort, but no way was vos originally imperial setltement.

maybe I'm just thinking too much about it

If beings that sero sum are erased from the past, present, and future, how do we know about zero sum?

Because the godhead still exists. Beings that zero-sum cease to exist but, subconsciously, the godhead remembers them and why the stopped existing. So all beings intrinsically understand the concept of zero-summing and will unwittingly "invent" that theory if they think about CHIM long enough.

Well I'll be damned. Vivec is one cheeky motherfucker.

I guess it's because it's hard to live in the middle of the desert where you have to organize water transport from the coast every day. So, besides always being inside your home due to sand storms, you have to worry about how to make ends meet. You're left with a culture that doesn't care one bit about how buildings look and constant blight storms erode your nicely painted walls.

Redoran are the honor faction. They made Ald Ruhn as a statement on their commitment to hard, honorable life.

Vivec is a mahwhore, a God murderer and a cheeky prick. And you can't do shit to stop him. Closest you can get to bullying him is mentioning Talos to him. If the two fuckers fought, Vivec would get his shit handed to him.

Updated recommended mod list? Thinking about going back in after two years of waiting for TR.

That's one of Morrowind's biggest faults. Nobody updated the list. New mods are still coming out, they're piling up, yet everyone is waiting for OpenMW to come out before updating their list to be relevant again.
I haven't played Morrowidn for two years now and I'm kind of lost as to which mods to use. There's too many of them. If you're searching for something particular you can check if Morrowind Modding Showcases on youtube have a video on the topic you're interested into.

Anyway, you have to use the regular fixes and if you're going to use OpenMW, then I don't think you need any.

The biggest immersion breaker for me right now is the complete lack of an economy in Morrowind, and the fact that each town and inter-city faction seems to have absolutely no persistent relationship with the other towns and inter-city factions. I feel like I'd like to dedicate myself to modding that kind of thing in, perhaps with MCA as a base.

whoever started this should burn to death.

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CHIMCHIM CHIM CHIM CHIM CHIM CHIM CHIM CHIM

anyone playing enderal?

jesus fucking christ
calm down
there is nothing wrong with stating it
some people aren't really aware

OpenMW when

It's been better than vanilla for ages
it's just that the retards developing it are hesitant to name anything "1.0", even though arbitrarily naming a release "1.0" would bring it a ton of attention, in turn speeding up development through increased interest from more people.

You can already play it. It's less buggy than vanilla even with some patches. But it all depends on how many polish and features you want. Wait a few more months and 0.41 will be out with better pathfinding and AI.

For some reason they still haven't released 0.40 even though it's finished. It's a minor release though with just bug fixes.

The only piece of lore I m nostalgic about is the true story of Barenziah, barely running that game on an old pc with integrated graphics while jerking off to young her getting fucked by a khajit in a tavern.

Dj Ur in da sixth House!

Any idea why shadows aren't in? Are they trying to go for global ilumination, or something? Old screens have shadows in them, but they kind of look like ass when objects don't have self-shadows.

They switched from one engine to another, delaying 1.0 for at least a year longer. It meant having to reimplement a lot of features. Right now, Scrawl, the main wizard behind many of them, including shadows, is having a break due to bad health. So, no shadows or illumination or distant land until he returns. In the meantime, bugs are being ironed out, new editor worked on and other non graphical features implemented.

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Forgot to post pic.

And then you became a furry and started watching mlp?

I am glad that the Neravarine killed that whore and her whoreson.

He was no king.

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He was definitely a casual Empire and Hlaalu puppet. She was a decadent whore. Not even pureblooded dunmer. I serously hope after Tamriel Rebuilt is finished, we'll be able to side with House Dres and do a coup, retaking the country in the name of Tradition and the real Tribunal. mfw doing this with an argonian nerevarine

No, it's the teenage dunmer with blossoming breast getting fucked in public part that appealed to me. you degenerate fuck I still can't believe they actually censored that part in the later games.

I gave him an Ebony arrow of slaying through the gullet and took that nice ring of his.

I tried it yesterday, it has kind of a Gothicky vibe to it, the English voices are fucking fantastic compared to Skyrim (I'm not a native speaker though), and I like that they made an effort to unfuck Skyrim's mechanics.
What I don't like is that "MUH GRAFIX" kill my GPU a 9600GT with half a gig VRAM on Very Low and I cannot turn down the resolution from 1920x1080 for some reason, so it's incredibly choppy on my computer and the prerendered Bink intros would just hang up - I only saw the first few frames, then I couldn't even skip them, I had to listen until the end.
tl;dr Enderal is probably great if your computer isn't a potato, and mine is, so I can't confirm. Also, I curse the motherfucker who thought Bink videos were a good idea in Current Year, the four or so intro/cutscene files take up a gig. The Germans love their bloat, it seems.

Are you from a 3rd world country?

They do say that it requires at least 1gb, sadly not much can be done about that.

Seth Rogan is the one who started that maymay.


It was straight up erotica, it was little wonder it got censored. Makes me wish we could get a proper adult RPG, because you know lorefags and writers are always into freaky shit.

My favorite part about CHIM, is how Daedra and one certain Aedra are fucking lofty fuckers who think they are hot shit.
But some chucklefuck who has some fucked personality can come to the realization that when viewed from the side, the wheel is a tower.

Having in lore erotica makes sense, I would even say that it deepens the world building in some way, and then they went and censored it while making a joke about it being redacted. Fuck'em.

Assassins and thieves are the most fun characters to play.

Reminder that argonians are the best race.

Argonians are meat puppets for Lovecraftian trees, and therefore objectively the worst race. They should be purged along with the Bosmer.

Meanwhile as everyone else gets fucked by daedra, Argonians go up and invade the bastards forcing them to close their gate or be taken over.

Aren't the children of Vivec and Molag Bal the Dreugh?
The Ruddy Man is an aspect of Molag Bal and and Vivec seems to hold affection for Dreughs.

Yeah, because they're meat puppets who can be turned into a networked army of drones by their tree overlords. Doesn't make them any less of an abomination.

I'm still waiting for best city to get content
They're going to save all the faction quests and shit until the very end aren't they

If I want to play Morrowind, and I've never played any of the series, how should I start? With vanilla, or already with openMW?

I've never used OpenMW.
For your first run, you should probably go vanilla, and just use a few essential mods like the Morrowind Code Patch, Solstheim Rumor Fix, and the mod that delays Dark Brotherhood attacks.

Space lizards > shit-tier nigger elves

Why does this feel so weird

But the Argonians in Daggerfall basically look the same as the ones in Skyrim.
In fact, Skyrim's race designs are mostly just taken from Daggerfall except for the Khajiit.
For some reason Morrowind made the Khajiit full-on anthro cats.

For some reason, the Daggerfall style of argonian looked fine to me, but the Skyrim version always looked like major ass. I think it is mostly the eyes. Skyrim argonians look forever horrified at everything. Fins are also too small. Same for horns, really.

I liked the style of argonians in morrowind. Qt python face. Definitely my favorite.

Goddamn, it. I hate how everybody in Skyrim looks like they're covered in dirt.
Skyrim in general just looks so washed out and bland, Daggerfall made Tamriel look beautiful.

I honestly would have thought furshitters would have liked Daggerfall's Argonians more considering you can see them naked in the base game.

I'm surprised Bethesda has yet to add the option to have Asian featured Imperials (with or without mechanical difference) yet with how diversity is so hip and they're mentioned in the first Pocket Guide to the Empire.

They were too young to have played it, most likely.

Incidentally, that's another reason I prefer Morrowind's stye. Proper beastlike legs instead of gay human feet, and also no tits.
Still like the face, though. Properly dragony. Morrowind's more snake-like,

Oh what, you wanted those interesting environments in full 3D?
Fuck you, you entitled little shit. You get Scotland in the winter.

I know this might sound a little gay but…

I don't have a decent enough PC to play Skyrim.
And I only had a PS3 last gen, and Skyrim on PS3 was fucking unbearable.
Do you guys think it would be a good investment to get the Special Edition coming out for PS4 (granted it doesn't inherit the PS3's problems)?
It has limited mod support, and bumped up visual effects, but I know it won't ever come close to what you can do on PC.
I never got to beat Skyrim on PS3 because of unbearable lag and game-breaking bugs.

tl;dr Shit PC. Skyrim for PS4 a good investment?

Not really. None of the dungeons are designed with any stealth in mind outside of invisibility. Trying to loot a smuggler's hideout without getting in combat is 100% impossible. Go on, try to get through Adamassartus without getting destroyed or killing a single enemy.

If you removed the "on PS3" part that would still be true.

Don't play Skyrim
I once went on a one and a half hour rant of why Skyrim is awful game, which shouldn't even bear the 'RPG' name
Just find something better

Did you try putting it in windowed mode with the lowest settings?

Are there enough mods out there to save Skyrim?

If you already have a PS4, I'd say go for it. Despite was all these dicks say, Skyrim can be pretty fun if you can allow yourself to enjoy it and if you're an autist for roleplaying.
I put around 200 hours into it when I had it for Xbox 360.

I can't even do that. I'm telling you man, my computer is absolute garbage. It's really only used for browsing Holla Forums and watching videos.
I can't even play Morrowind on lowest settings without some lag.

That is truly disgusting. I feel bad for you, user.

Jesus fuck, is your computer from the mid-90s? Even fucking $200 Dell potatoes can run Morrowind at highest settings nowadays.

You say this as if it's a good thing. Tits on lizards is weird, which is TES's specialty. Not to mention those aren't tits but unfertilized eggs which are never laid and children are kept in them until hatching.

If you: 1) really want to play it, 2) your toaster is incapable, and 3) you already have a PS4–then sure.

Nigger, sell your PS4 and get a computer to play Morrowind

Tits = SHIIIIIIT

If your PC is shit, why didn't you use your money you spent on a PS4 on a new PC?

fuck you nigger, i like the dweeby looking argonians

Why is that anyone tries to talk about the lore in TES games, it becomes a highlight reel of unsolicited opinions of argonians? Oh, and of course, don't forget skooma, because duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudeeee, druuuuuugs, like, in a game, duuuuuuuudee

Well, the catch is that I don't actually own my own PS4. I have a friend who has one, and I usually buy games I want to play for it.
Like not too long ago I got EDF 4.1 for it. Great fun. EDF 2025 was unbearable on PS3 also.

lizard dick is better anyway tbqh

sucks for you, cause it's canon

why not both

Faggots pls go

I dont know what the fuck happened, morrowind and TES lore threads used to be 10/10.

I guess the more people catch up, the more quality gets lower and lower, until we get to this very thread.
Argonian porn dump.
Because of a very small book series in the games.

Don't forget Skyrim encouraged it by making a sequel to the first book.

That and them kicking the ass of both the Dunmer and the Daedra.

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And here it is, further confirmation that Skyrim was the biggest mistake for the series, and eventually, to RPG genre itself

>meanwhile the Argonians straight up invade what's effectively Hell without batting an eye, forcing an invading army of the damned to close their gate because now they are the ones getting invaded
Slaver scum got what they deserved.

no, i enjoy me some lizard dick

I get the feeling, that you either misunderstood me, or your words for

Because everyone likes argonians and those few memers who don't just fuel the fire. And lorefags appreciate the threads not being dead.


Nothing because this was always normal. You'd get 50 posts of lore then 50 posts of lewd. Every time. Sometimes at the same time.

Gay shit not allowed.

Says the guy who posted lizard tits. Yeah, like you're trustworthy.

What the fuck. I discussed lore, nothing more.

Except you did there:

You posted fanart of an character that's never display ingame, from a fictional book within the game, depicting said character in a french maid uniform, ass on display, and blushing, all in a stylized cartoon style to make the character cuter than what it actually would look like.

Okay user.

are you using this?

No one mentioned porn, you git.

See:

Pictures as such evidently wakes up other anons's lust, and here you got yourself your annual porn dump.

Gay shit absolutely allowed. Deal with it.

It was stated somewhere in the game that Tel Vos was a project of hired Imperial workforce who were murdered for their effort in the end. It was over a decade ago for me, so check that for yourself.

You have autism. Anons were discussing naked argonians before that post. And if one cute picture that gets posted in every second TES thread is what triggers a porn dump, you've got yourself a shitposter, not a poor user misled by the content of the thread. Get fucked.

Enjoy it somewhere else or learn spoilering gay shit.

Stop talking about the picture like it wasn't made to induce arousal. It very much was and you know it.

somebody invested time and effort into that

the boys i posted are in underwear, i don't know what you're talking about

I bet you masturbate to naked statues in public.

There two of the same pic in the thread, yours is the second. After that, porn dumping (notice that I am and was talking about dumping, not single pictures) started.
But hey, with that mindset, and with that attitude you are sure to have lots of quality discussions, user.

I have some bad news for you

Do you know what season it is right now?

Oh, it was another gay furry (scalie?). Sorry for the confusion.

Those are not the same thing and you also know it.

Speaking of which….

Comfy song, thanks
I always wondered, how do sumerfags get on 8ch? I came from 4ch during winter, never went back since. Is there a shilling for this place there since?

I feel pity for you. Next you'll tell me this picture is lewd.

It all like you want it to be user, you are always right. You win this fight, calm down now.

isn't it, though?

provocative clothing and leg positioning that shows she's being coy about showing her crotch area, despite having it covered.

Well, she isn't in a suggestive pose, the view isn't at a suggestive angle, she's not looking at the viewer with a suggestive expression, she's wearing her actual outfit, she's not stylized in an attractive cartoon style, and she's not a character from the closest thing to porn in the game. Gee, it's like the two pictures are completely different aside from the gender of the character depicted.

Great, now shall we discuss Skyrim's overworld design?

I liked it a lot, even though Whiterun aped LotR a bit too much. The only real problem I had with the landscape was that it was too foresty. At least half the map should've been like the stretch between Dawnstar and Winterhold. For example, Falkreath should've been freezing since it's north of Burma, with forests existing only in the Reach and maybe half of the hot spring depression south of Windhelm should've been covered in snow. Hjaalmarch definitely needed more snow and less forests.


That's the whole joke with being the maid. Pic is obviously more cute and lighthearted fun than porn orientated.

Khajit are a race of multiple cat people which are different based on the cycles of the moon.
The Khajit seen are only a certain type that are more human.

Aren't there several different types of Khajiit's in the series and we only saw like three different types thus far? Also, is there any place for a list of recommended Morrowind mods? The one on tesgeneral doesn't really have too much besides the essentials.

Well, I agree with you on the changes you think of, but the problem is, they Skyrim does not having any special thing gameplay-wise for snowy areas, so they had to spice things up. If they had putten a system, where you ad to fight against cold (like in a mod that I forgot the name of) but is essentially more rewarding with better loot or special lore bits, than it would be a lot more fun to actually play on snowy areas
I see every time so much potential for Skyrim, and every time I play it I realize, how bad in the end it became that my heart aches every time for the possibilities

My problem was it was about a tenth of the size it should've been. People in Skyrim talk about it as if it's some sort of vast expanse but it can be walked across from border to border in less than half an hour.

fuck you beat me to it, i was gonna post the first chart

They JUST fixed a bug that had NPCs standing still forever when their scripts were finished once. Plus a buncha shit related to line of sight and archers always running towards you with a dagger instead of using ranged.

They didn't even put in footsteps in the snow. They're that pathetic. It's the first feature I thought of when Skyrim was announced.
I really liked the Vale from Dawnguard. It felt like what Skyrim should've felt for the most part.


I don't think it's a problem with size exclusively. It's the fast running speed and a big lod in combination with fast travel. Makes things feel small. It'd be interesting how removing map based fast travel would change things.
Also, some places were under designed. Whiterun plain, for example. You can run thru it from one side to the next and find no landmarks whatsoever. Sure, there's like five places, but it's an enormous place of nothing. Which would be fine if Skyrim was a much bigger region. But like this it's compact and too empty.

Tamriel is supposed to be roughly the size of Australia. High Rock alone was supposed to be the size of England.

Skyrim is barely larger in size than my hometown.

Without map, and without those motherfucking markers, the game would get a fuckton more immersive, because you actually had to learn the ropes of the world around you.


Also, this shit. They should rather have a big city with this size, but that would be a bit of too much work for procedural generations, eh?

Todd is a sick mind on the body of Bethesda; it should be replaced.

Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind are all using the same scale.

That scale being "fucking awful."

Yet people complain only about Skyrim's size. That's because Oblivion felt endless due to being completely fucking empty and boring.
And Morrowind being well designed. Now here's the question: what made Morrowind's size okay?

Is it the slow walking speed? Lack of fast travel? Diverse landscapes? The detail everywhere? If it is the detail, Skyrim is full of it too, but why doesn't it work? (Skyrim is empty memers need not apply)

It is fucking empty. The capital "city" has like 20 NPCs. Rorkistead is like 3 houses and a garden farm.

THat could be still understood. After all, not many people want to live in the nordic lands, as they should be unforgiving. But the landscape feels also empty, and the two does not go well together.

That's small, not empty.

And a bunch of soul gems around implying they're using dark arts to keep the land fertile.
Wherever you go in the wild you'll find a fucking shrine. A bandit resting on a log over a waterfall. Coins under a dead giant. etc

Skyrim is full of small details and content. That's why I asked why doesnt' it work.

Lorewise it used to fucking big and lush with people. It's sad indeed.

Because the details don't fix the big picture. Yes, there's a lot of little, random things around, but it's hard to notice over things like the largest city barely rivaling Balmora, or half the major cites all being the barest minimum away from being clones of each other. I honestly think Oblivion is emptier than Skyrim, but I can see why people think otherwise.

YES. That place was awesome, I would have spent so much more time there if there was something interesting to do.

That's the reason I entirely stopped using fast travel starting in Oblivion, the games are an entirely different experience without it. Especially when you add survival mods like Frostfall and iNeed. People here get really shocked when I mention that I spent over 600 hours in the game, but hey most of it was travelling. Despite lore and gameplay issues and a shitty engine, with the right mods Skyrim can be gorgeous and a really enjoyable place to explore. A game where you can just chill and look around, not having to think and put a lot of effort to beat it.

That being said I'd really like it if had a bigger scale, maybe 4X in each direction. It would make the world a lot more believable if there were more than 20 houses in the biggest cities, and actual fields surrounding it. AssCreed II of all games left a big impression on me on that aspect, I'd really love to see something like San Gimignano and the Tuscan farms around it in an Elder Scrolls game. But Todd would never allow that since it'd require a new engine to handle that.

Wish I could say that. Instead, most of my playtime is loading screen.

The marker. Simply put.
The fucking marker, that's makes most of the playerbase into a zombie that follows that fucking marker, not noticing the little details, because they can't and don't get lost in the world, so they do not find these little things. Morrowind did it great, then markers appeared, and fucked up everything


This guy is right, the mods are needed to be even playable
Travelling is one of the biggest parts of an adventurer, while doing it, the adventurer changes, markers take away that feeling. You just go on the way the developers intended, thus redeeming the other qualities of the game into nothing
It becames more of a walking sim, than any other.

God damn user, save up some money and buy your own things. I'd kill myself if I had to use somebody else's hardware. Or is he like your best buddy or something, and you two always hang out and doesn't care if you use his shit?

Oblivion was actually bigger than Skyrim, it wasn't just perception.

That it had no map-based fast travel, but tons of other transportation options (mark and recall, silt striders, teleportation services, etc.). Also, that there were some parts of the map that you clearly weren't supposed to go to until you'd reached a certain level, or you'd get wrecked. The very existence of the Ghostfence made the game feel bigger, because you had to walk around it for most of the game, rather than just going in a straight line through it.
I also think that Oblivion's and Skyrim's compass, which displays undiscovered locations nearby, is a mistake–it prevents me from actually feeling like I found a place on my own, and becomes just like another type of quest arrow.


None of the Bethesda games are empty, they're just small. You can barely throw a rock without hitting a new landmark.

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Finally someone gets it. Even though most of their fanbase now are ADD-ridden retards, they could still appeal to a more dedicated audience by making a "hardcore mode" where quests are done like Morrowind. Not that it matters; I fully expect the new Elder Scrolls to go in the same direction they've taken Fallout.

Please, they'd have to rewrite journal entries and add dialogue that actually gives you useful information. That's too much time they could spend on hiring a celebrity to voice a single character for a few minutes.

Why did the ruin redguards?

I really, really like this image. Saved.

screw you, what else is there to talk about in skyrim?

This a general TES thread, not a Skyrim thread.

it's all the same to me. Skyrim has best sex modes so it is imo the best one in the series. I mean I didn't play the others, but I guess they are crap too.

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Skyrim+sex modes is good. Skyrim without sex modes is crap.

So why exactly should previous TES games be good if they have less or worse sex modes?

This clearly isn't the thread for you.

Because morrowind was actually a good game, oblivion can go fuck itself though.

Don't touch the bait, friendos.

it's shit

provincecyrodiil.project-tamriel.com/
Most of the people working on it are focusing more on tamriel rebuilt and skyrim home of the nords right now as they have more momentum, but it's something.

Why are you even saging? I am not op, your sage doesn't hurt me.


This may not be the right board to say this, but games are crap. Especially singleplayer games. Why even spend time on a game if you don't get the chance to shit on other people like you would do in ut or cs.

here's your (You)

lmao, look at this dumb cumskin

The fact that Skyrim's stealth is only marginally better than Morrowind's in that some dungeons have one or two areas that allow you to sneak around. They removed the dice rolls from Morrowind to be more "realistic", the least they could've done was remove the abysmal parts of the sneak skill and replace it with a much better light and sound-based sneaking mechanic. But no, they didn't, because that would actually make sense

Skyrim even with mods is shit. I bet you'd eat shit if it could give you an erection. Fuck off you shit-eating fetishist.

it doesn't, but if it would, why not? I mean if you enjoy something why not do it?

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The different aspects of the Aka-tusk are just as individual as any other two separate entities in the TES universe. They might come from the same place and share aspects or traits, but they're not fundamentally the same beings. The Dovahkiin didn't mantle anything the way Talos did, at least not in in-game events, and as such he walks his own path driven by fate rather than following someone else's steps so well that he become them.


When multiple timelines converge, some of the individual features can carry over. It's the same reason that Vivec's crimes as Vehk are still remembered by some, or that any details of the Middle Dawn have been kept.

Jesus Christ, what is wrong with this thread? 176 replies and probably less than 20 are actually about the lore.

I disagree with everything you said. They're not different beings. They're the same beings and this will become evident once time returns to its proper form.
Dragonborn will be considered Talos and will become Talos by the next game. Tulius, Ulfric and Dragonborn are a new incarnation of Talos and will become Talos.

There is no "proper form" of time. The dragon can move freely all it wants, but it's still as fractured as a shattered glass.

Shezarrines aren't directly Lorkhan you s'wit. They're Lorkhanic, but they're not Lorkhan. Padomaic, but not Padomay. Talos is a clusterfuck of Hjalti Early-Beard, Zurin Arctus, Ysmir Wulfharth, and Tiber Septim, but each of these people are still separate concepts within the dream which come to intermix. Talos mantled Lorkhan, but he's still an individual despite taking over Lorkhan's role in the world. The LDB is a Shezarrine and an aspect of the Aka-Tusk, but he is in no way all of it no matter what he does. It's the same thing as mixing two chemicals in solution - they might mix and partially form new things, but they're both still present when you get right down to it.

There's no possible instance for an enantiomorph to take place within Skyrim anyway; the civil war lacks some key components for it, namely a wounded observer and a definite death of a king. For the events of the civil war to even begin to qualify as an enantiomorph, Tullius has to be the king to Ulfric's rebel. So, if Tullius is the king, Ulfric is the rebel, and the LDB is the observer, we already know that no harm befalls the LDB as a result of Ulfric usurping Tullius. He doesn't lose an eye like Magnus. If we try to cast Ulfric as the king and Tullius as the rebel, the whole thing falls on its head and breaks apart from the very beginning.

please don't suicide user-san ;w;

There is, but it's been lost at the convention
And it will be reassembled once heart heals. That was the penultimate point of c0da.

But Dragonborn isn't just a shezzarine. He's mantling Talos, which beyond the game setup that practically screams of it, is shown by Hjalti's ghost soldier at that inn located in The Reach.

Oh boy, your explanation is stuck in how it appears during the creation instead of looking at their essence and final form.
They're described as Lorkhanic because Lorkhan can't exist since he's the only objectively dead deity in Mundus. Not that it matters, since Mundus has an end goal, his end goal, and the very essence of Mundus is he.
End goal of Mundus is impossible to reach for anyone who isn't of mundus, which is why it had to be created. In other words, if you're not tainted with Lorkhan's spark of creation, you can't be a Shezzarine. So, you have to be his creation and walk his way until your essence becomes the same as his, which in Mundus means you two are the same.
But how is that? Isn't that just metaphorical? No. Lorkhan himself appears at the end of c0da, which was only possible because of countless Shezzarines which upon death realized his person, his end game, a step closer. He comes back as a person because world is him, its essence is him and they became his essence and him. Still, for a few moments upon his final becoming, time hadn't healed yet and Talos and others were able to exist due to Akatosh's time madness.
And after Love breached the Dream, everything was possible for every heart. Not sure if this means Shezzarines can exist independently, though.

Bullshit. Your reasons for why not are because what you expect of a finished Enantiomorph hasn't been defined in the game as such. This is wrong because Elder Scrolls games give player a world in one state. They don't wrap anything up until the history is written by the next game.
The King and The Rebel constantly change sides. It depends on who you sided with - Imperials or Stormcloaks. History can't decide who was who in an Enantiomorph and that's the explanation of why some players chose one side and the others other :^) (good one, Todd)
Or maybe it's Dragonborn who is the rightful heir of the Empire, as he is dragonborn and therefore the real King. And it's Tulius who's the rebel taking away what's yours? Or it's Ulfric who wants to march on the empire and take what's yours? Enantiomorphs are always multiple and unclear until they play out to the end.

The situation set up is too specific for it to be an accident. This was planned.

Your entire argument on the individuality of these different individuals, or should I say 'concepts', is based upon the false premise that the Aurbis is only shades of grey all the way down, which we know to be false from the mechanics of CHIM. Were that to be true, CHIM would be unachievable, and Lorkhan's goal in establishing the arena would never be realised. Even when you walk so much like them that they must walk like you, 'you' still exist as an individual within the dream despite you now serving the same purposes as whoever, or whatever, you mantled. Were that not to be true, Vivec and Tiber Septim would have zero-summed.

And your explanations are stuck in the final forms of each of these concepts with a total disregard for the context surrounding them. When Vivec made himself Vivec, Vivec-once-Vehk removed the old Vehk from the world, but Vivec is still very much Vehk and knows the crime he committed. Were the old Vehk to have been completely erased, we wouldn't know of his foul murder. The final form of something does not completely erase its beginnings, just as merging of the timelines after a dragonbreak doesn't erase every trace of each individual line.

There's still no wounded observer. One important man killing another with a third watching does not an enantiomorph make.

Aurbis is shades of gray all the way down. Exactly because Lorkhan's goal isn't realized, it is shades of gray. Until you escape the dream you're an echo of something. This is non negotiable. Vivec can remake himself and wake up as many times as he wants, but he'll always be made of Anu and Padomay, as he is subservient to the essence of dream as long as he's in it.

CHIM is a rational understanding of dream (by a mortal of Change who found Order which is why Gods can't have it themselves) and tainted love - the same love Gods and morals can feel. It's the peculiar essence of mortals that allows them to CHIM, not their out-of-dream properties. And love CHIM users feel is barbaric and egoistic just like any other love in the dream. So, no what I'm talking about does not make CHIM unachievable.

I'm not talking about the final form. I'm talking about its essence. The essence always stays the same, be it early or final form. The soul of both V's is the same and that soul has the same essence. Vivec is not a shezzarine though and has no bearing on discussion of them since they're a specific occurrence.

Because thing's haven't played out to the end.

There was some pretty obvious mantling going on in the Dragonborn expansion, with Hermaeus Mora and that other dragonborn asshole. They reenacted the enantiomorph pretty explicitly, with the player character as the observer, Hermaeus Mora as the king, and that squid-mask dude as the rebel.
I don't really know what the implications are, and despite seeming to orchestrate the whole thing, I have no idea what Hermaeus Mora's goal was.

I thought the point of that was just to show that both the player character and Hjalti are Shezzarines. Same thing in Sovngarde: the heroes in the hall tell you that Shor has forbidden them to leave, yet they leave when you ask them to.

Kirkbride's fanfiction isn't canon until it's put into a game or other Bethesda-sanctioned format.


That's impossible, isn't it? Amaranth seems too tinfoil to take seriously. Even the Hist only survived the end of one dream to reemerge in the next.

Sorry for doubleposting.

Not when you consider things you'd call illegitimate. Welp, discussion is over if we can't use best lore sources.

If Ted Petersen or Kurt Kuhlmann started writing TES fanfiction, would you take them at their word, too?

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Well, yes. Goodman, too. If only they wrote stuff.

Not that it matters whether MKs stuff is fact or not since he and Kuhlmann made most of Skyrim lore themselves, then Kuhlmann told Todd what the lore is. You just need to take care not to take in account reddit shitposts by higher lorefags.

Hm. But what if Todd Howard started writing that kind of stuff? :^)

I'm perfectly fine with all that, I don't have anything against Kirkbride as a writer. I just think he's too self-indulgent in what he writes outside his official capacity. I wish Bethesda would just hire him on as their full-time loremaster.

All maymays aside, Todd knows his lore stuff from what I can tell. I'd give it a shot, for certain. But Morrowind-Tamriel Rebuilt-MK-Skyrim certainly takes precedence.

He's an asshole on Facebook, a self-indulgent faggot on reddit and very masturbatory in presenting his lore. But c0da did nothing wrong lorewise.

If you'd rather I change my explanation, think of it this way: Is it nothing but shades overall? Yes. Is each shade indistinguishable from those surrounding it? No. Each individual incarnation of Vivec is both a part of Vivec as a whole, as well as an individual incarnation. The same goes for Lorkhan and each of the Shezarrines. They come from an original and culminate in something greater, but they are still distinct. Just because white light is formed of all the others doesn't mean that each frequency isn't distinct.

Within that rational understanding of the dream lies the knowledge that you are both part of the dream, but that you are still an individual, as I am claiming is possible. "I AM AND I ARE ALL WE", and all that.
Seems to me that you've misconstrued my entire argument. I'm not saying that spirits in the arena are somehow extra-Aurbic in themselves, but rather that they are still in possession of individuality from the whole of the dream. Again, each shade of grey may be a shade, but it is still distinct from those surrounding it.

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>Oh boy, your explanation is stuck in how it appears during the creation instead of looking at their essence and final form.
If your ideas aren't conveyed coherently in the way you've presented them, be more specific in your choice of words next time.

No, it does not. The Aka-Tusk was shattered, and so was its essence. That the pieces might return to reform the oversoul doesn't change the fact that, in the meantime, it has fundamentally changed. That each progressive soul is a slightly smaller infinity than the one above it doesn't stop it from being a separate infinity as well as a component or product of the larger. Auriel is a part of Anu, but is not Anu in itself.

Vivec's individuality most certainly has a bearing on the discussion of individuality within the dream, seeing as one of the components of CHIM is understanding the individual separate from the whole (as well as being a part of it). The precedent is there, and that's what I'm showing.

Does the civil war have the potential for enantiomorph if later explained? Possibly. Is it an enantiomorph in its current state? Most certainly not. The LDB, again, is a shade of grey descending from both the Aka-Tusk and Lorkhan, but is distinct from both in his fate and actions. That his infinite soul is part of a greater infinity doesn't remove its property of being a distinct infinite within the dream.


With Herma-Mora as the king, Miraak as the rebel, the LDB as the knight (as Trinimac was to Auriel at Convention), who is the observer, and who or what is being mantled by whom? Mora is still Mora, and the LDB has prior obligations to the Aka-Tusk and Lorkhanic oversouls before he does to mantling a Daedric Prince.


Except validating all the reddit special-snowflake theories. You should have to present your ideas with evidence and argue for them rationally, not say what you think might be cool and explain it all with "muh C0DA" or "muh kalpic cycle motherfucker".

Like I said, I don't know. It just seemed like a deliberate attempt on HM's part to reenact the enantiomorph.

If the events of Dragonborn are enough to be considered an enantiomorph in the making, so too would all the other Daedric quests involving the killing of old champions be. I can see the parallels, but it's not exactly all there.

So how much of the whole CHIM-Dreamsleeve-Dead/Dreaming/Mundus stuff is actually 100% confirmed canon?

I get what you're trying to say better now. But I still disagree.
All Vivec are Vivec. He retains his soul and memories no matter how many bodies he has. I don't see how any of his incarnations are any different, beyond ascending to Godhood at a certain point.
I imagine Vivec, not being a shezzarine, does exist as a God in the dream after Amaranth.

A related problem is that we don't know if mortal souls are eternal and if they are, if their essence stays the same each incarnation.
Dreamsleave crushes the individuality to make a new person.
I imagine an echo of the soul is left in the afterlife the being should go to. But is that even the same person? And what about the soul is still trapped in the endless Dreamsleve cycle?
These are uncertain.

Until their death (unless they're Vivec or Jubal-Sun). See the argument just above this point.
Still, they're all touched by Love at the end of c0da so they all get a chance to become individuals outside the dream.

Different context of two different posts. besides, they're not contradicting each other. One was about XY, the other just about X.
Soul in general has an essence. Lorkhan has a final form (after Mundus).

Well, of course there are individuals in TES.
The problem is the nature of shezzarines. Vivec not being one and regular people not being shezzarines makes them useless for solving this problem.
Being an avatar with a destiny and being a soul of uncertain future is not the same thing.

It will be right after Skyrim, so this nitpick is irrelevant for lore discussion.

For fucks sake, Daggerfall hid the name of The Eternal Champion and Morrowind invented ALL ENDINGS = REALZ just so slowflake stuff can exist. c0da did nothing new, it just emphasized that all player canons are real in their heads, which was true since forever.

120% real.

80%

70%

100%

I can't tell if you're being serious or having a laugh, or both. Either way, I was amused.

CHIM is absolutely canon. The Dreamsleeve and death/dream thing, hard to say, but the events of Morrowind at the very least strongly imply it.

Make CHIM 130% and he's right.


Before C0DA, people would actually/were expected to thoroughly back up their theories with evidence and reasoning. Now, any half-arsed idea with a shred of possibly congruent in-game explanation is accepted (or at least left unchallenged) under the guise of "muh C0DA muhfugga". That the possible justification existed beforehand doesn't change what came after it. If you were already well-versed enough in the lore to understand the prior justifications and explanations, and could apply them to your ideas, you deserved to have them heard, but if you just wave away criticism using Kirkbride's attempt to stop conflicts in the community as an excuse, you don't deserve to be listened to. I'm not pointing this at you by the way - I'm using the collective 'you' in this instance.

Only people who use c0da to deflect criticism are redditors. I don't know why the fuck you'd use that side. No civil place will stoop that low. You shouldn't be affected by a reddit circlejerk which would exist without c0da because reddit is a fucking circlejerk and hugbox.

That much is a given, and you're right, but sometimes the only search hits I get regarding particular discussions or concepts in TES come from there, meaning that I'm forced to either suffer through it in hopes of finding some good stuff, or dig through UESP, the Imperial Library, and the threads on /tes/ manually.

jesus christ user, I'm from an actual 3rd world country and you can get a GT 710 for 60 usd (taxes are a bitch)

Every time I come in a lore thread the series gets weirder.

Mention one TES topic and I'll make it weirder for you.

Summoning days.

Khajiit and Argonians belongs in death camps.

No user, you are Argonian

*Splash Hist sap on you*

Sometimes they require vaginal or soul sacrifice.

Oh wait no, there's a technical summoning day where you can make black soul gems at mannimarco pedastels, because his god corpse is in the stars and stops the god arkatly of life from protecting the world from its evils. So on this day, where he blocks arkay, and the sky emanates purple, you can make black soul gems and soul trap people by his altar.

No you didn't.

Who is a Sloads?

What games have this?

Reflect doesn't work on arrows I think, let me check

Thief, Splinter Cell, most other stealth games worth their salt.

Splinter Cell even has ambiant sound under certain conditions that allows to take advantage of shoter windows of opportunities since you can move faster.

Thoughts?

I don't like youtube personalities, but I've been forced to watch some of his vids due to crazy good lore interpretations. He stunned me a few times with his own spin on things. Haven't watched this yet, though. Just some of What if Skyrim was good vids and those were pretty good for the post part.

I'm watching his what if Skyrim was good right now. Just found his channel today, he also has pretty good guides for getting a good experience out of Skyrim and Oblivion in terms of modding.

FUCK the Thalmor, fuck elves in general, bunch of backstabbing insufferable snobs, you know why there are so many types of Mer? Because they can't stand each other, some even became fucking FURRIES to stay away.

And fuck those little cannibalistic niggers specially.

ALSO Nord pride my ass, they just throw tantrum after tantrum about "m-muh tradition" nobody gave a shit about your tradition until you threw a fucking tantrum after we tried to keep the Thalmor from your fucking lands, you ungrateful snow niggers, it's not our fault that many of you married fucking Red guards and freaking Argonians, you fucking horny bastards, you even let faggots marry, that shit in the imperial city does not happen.

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Khajiit aren't mer.


Bosmer aren't really mer, either, they're some kind of primal spirits that Y'ffre made to look like mer, only he fucked it up due to incompetence and Azura's jealousy, so their form is unstable which leads to shit like the Wild Hunt.

You're just rear-fendered that the empire is dying and not even your patron god wants it to stay alive.

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Sorry user

This with Tamerial Rebuilt, you could almost build an MMO.

Wait a second. I thought the bosmer, and khajiits were born from totally different origins than the elves or humans

They're both shapeshifters who had their form solidified by gods. First Khajiit by Azurah, then jealous of her strength, Y'ffre did the same for Bosmer. Azura did a better job.

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Trickyhook

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back to leddit you filthy casual

Elder Scrolls is pretty bad

I see you're upset Todd. Don't worry, you can do anything.

You cucks are so delusional. Togd would never shit on Cuckwind.

that's because you're too young and are trying to fit in

are you one of those ADD riddled instant gratification spergs?
the combat is fine for what it is
it's on you for ever expecting something of a combat system, and then shitting on it when it doesn't conform to your expectations

Khajiit and Bosmer both have the same ancestors, that chart is LIES.

Dude what

Fine is not what I would call it. Serviceable, maybe. It works for the function it's supposed to serve, but that doesn't mean it's good. Developers should strive to make all facets of a game good. Combat in Skyrim is just a boring chore that serves as padding between everything else.

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This. Y'ffre not only sabotaged Azurah's work, but he also fucked up his own woodniggers. Bosmer, at least in Morrowind, have deformed faces and horns.

True, the best one in my opinion (Morrowind, although I prefer playing Daggerfall) is an 8/10 at best. The Elder Scrolls' legacy will be that they could have been good had Bethesda possessed any form of talent or time management skills.

ever wonder how good a gondola would be at fugging

Yes

No. You sick fuck.

Lol, Argonians and the hist just hanging out with zero relationship to everyone around them. Like

The Hist are beings from the previous kalpa who (somehow) survived.