The end of neoliberalism

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/the-left-needs-a-new-populism-fast

Oh so now they listen to us? -_-

At least there are some upsides of the US election results though. Maybe the accelerationfags were right after all. We could be seeing the end of neoliberalism.

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However, the fact the guardian published this is a good sign

Called it. The left is finally re-examining itself

Owen Jones is a petulant pseudo-Leftist. His Brexit-related tantrums show that he's out of touch with the working class.

More from the Guardian:
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate

Holy shit, maybe the left finally is going to move back towards class consciousness?

Neoliberalism ain't free. The cult of social justice gotta be litterd with the sacrifice of racist, sexist, homophobic bigots. Donald JOHN trump aka "Drumpf" is not my presidnet. he is sexual assaulter and probbaly child rapist as well :D:D. HILLARY and huma not drumpf and PENCE ok. praise progress

Recovering ancap here.

What do socialists mean by the term 'neo-liberalism', in all my years on the libertarian right I never met anyone who described themselves as such.

Based Owen Jones is literally the only regular Guardian columnist that isn't a liberal yuppie fuck.

It's pretty simple you fucking morons: stop demonizing white people.

Neoliberalism is basically just the ideology of global free market capitalism and unfetter free trade.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

I understand the dislike of capitalism, but why is free trade bad?

Because it forces high wage earners in developed countries to compete with low wage earners in poor countries. It turns into a global race to the bottom for workers.

Here's another good article on the topic by the same guy if you don't want to read a whole book.

jacobinmag.com/2016/07/david-harvey-neoliberalism-capitalism-labor-crisis-resistance/

Nooooope, they won't.
They'll learn the wrong lesson from Trump (giving no fucks, etc.).
Just you watch and remember these words.

Neoliberalism generally refers to the political consensus reached after the fall of the Soviet Union. It mixes social progressivism with free trade, globalization, and economic privatization.

During the 90s and the early 2000s, the idea was working out quite well and the western world was going through an economic boom. But George W. Bush and Tony Blair fucked a lot of shit up, and neoliberalism basically collapsed under the weight of it's own contradictions with the 2008 economic collapse. However the establishment here in the US thought it could hold onto neoliberalism even in the face of widespread anger, thus resulting in the DNC rigging the primary against Bernie and Trump winning.

Quads confirm

I think a better way to describe it is, instead of capitalism simply being seen as the best currently possible system to achieve a coherent and efficient society, it has become worshiped as an end in itself, regardless of its potential outcomes.

Classical liberals believe market capitalism.
Social liberals believe in market capitalism with social welfare to care for the poor and needy.
Neo-liberals believe in market capitalism and pretending to care about the poor and needy without actually providing any welfare.

Her saying "America is already great" was the most retarded move ever. If its so great how come its also a sexist, racist cesspit which is what she also argued?

No one scared, frustrated and dying in this society is going to be like "yeah your right Hilary, everything is awesome!" Didn't she learn from Obama's "We can change!" program?

America was great for Hillary and that's all that matters because she's a narcissist.

Owen Jones is a lefty and is probably coming from the same angle of "I told you" as we are. If you find the average Guardian liberal centrist and follow them on social media or whatever, I bet you they're either going full IdPol or blaming the Left somehow.

Don't expect any fucking soul-searching from these cunts. There will be no realignment, no change in their program, no new ideas, only more of the same potshots at white people or men, because they can't view the world in different terms.

Are you fucking kidding me, it's just getting warmed up. I hope a demagogue as grotesque as trump
FINALLY
wakes up the proles into fighting back. At the very minimum for a SocDem type of economy. Tonight's protests are a good sign but I ain't banking on it.

The working class is reactionary and when it wakes it's like a lumbering giant. Slow to move, slow to react and respond and you do not want to be in its way. Liberals ruined it all by attacking the working class and hurting them in real ways. And while that's been going on reactionaries have been courting the working class and promising them they will destroy those that have ruined their lives. This can't be undone it's just too late.

It's clear that with the way things are headed that fascism is the direction the working class will go. We haven't seen it yet in any large scale except in Greece with Golden Dawn but we will be seeing it. And these fascist will be out for vengeance.

Basically this.

How hard do you have to fuck up to let your Republican opponent become the "hero" of the working class?

Anyway, nothing is going to change after this election. The DNC is literally incapable of learning even if they wanted to, and creating a new party isn't going to do shit either, if another Bernie comes along next year he'll just get cucked again. And if people didn't vote third party in an election where BOTH candidates had the highest unfavorables in history, they never will.

Wow, its almost like there are people named jerry corbyn and bernard sandles who respect working class whites without alienating minorities

You wouldn't. Neoliberalism was the reconstitution of global capitalism after the oil shocks of the 70s and the rise of the petrodollar after the demise of the Bretton Woods agreement; the gold standard. It began the accelerated decline of living standards, the stagnation of wages, and was marked by union-busting, privatization, and the growth of finance capital. Its effects were felt most keenly in the Western world, but even nominally "socialist" countries like China embraced market forces and "globalization' during this era. Deng Xiaoping took China down another path and avoided the collapse of the USSR and its subsequent "shock therapy" while preserving the nominal dual power arrangement of the party-state.

Basically every Western leader today is a neoliberal, in the sense that's what it means to be a pro-bourgeois politician. You adhere to market doctrine: privatization, the curbing of taxes on the wealthy, cut welfare, impose austerity, bail out private institutions – i.e. the "too big to fail" banks – and above all fund the military so the deep state can continue its machinations. In some places, like Russia, business interests and state politics have literally melded into one, with Putin's vetted oligarchs pulling leavers in the economy while he orchestrates domestic, foreign, and military strategy.

See pic related. It's what being a neoliberal does to you after 8 years in power.

shhhhhh

Liberals are becoming class conscious
How do we make them actual socialists?

It's a transfer program from first-world workers to employers, with some table scraps going to third-world workers. It's not that trade is necessarily bad, but that things like trade agreements are mostly about protecting property rights of multinationals and enabling pollution or poor treatment of workers in poor countries.

Tbh the left could easily court the white working class the way Sanders did. Just include a lot of pro-labour anti-elite policies and positions alongside a strongly anti-racist anti-sexist agenda. That's what the NDP does here in Canada and they have their strongest support among working class communities with a heavy union presence. Socially reactionary proles will still vote for them because of their strongly pro-labour policies.

You mean the kind of anti-sexist, anti-racist agenda which pushes the message that women can't be sexist, minorities can't be racist, and Hillary Clinton is more oppressed than a homeless white man.

No, I mean attacking racist/sexist trends and institutions in a reasonable and not retarded manner while at the same time supporting a strong pro-labour agenda. SJWism is cringeworthy and needs to be reigned in, it's what got the Dems in this mess in the first place.

That would be nice. I don't think it's likely to happen though.

It basically describes the tendency of the ruling class to return to classical laissez-faire liberalism after years of welfare state-ism and social democracy. This process started in the 70's, picked pace in the 80's, and by the 90's was the consensus, and includes dismantling of trade unions, privatizations, tax cuts and public spending cuts, trade liberalization and so on. Usually it's accompanied by measures that wouldn't be considered classical "laissez-faire", but are instead marketed as "creating a business-friendly environment" because neoliberalism is first a ruling-class movement and only second ideological free-marketism.


There are plenty of conservative neolibs. What matters is that economic neoliberalism was the consensus for those who were "socially progressive" as well as those who were "socially conervative".

This tbh. But it's not going to happen so long as centre-left parties are dominated by big capital and neoliberals. Hopefully they're on their way out now that we know a centrist agenda is what's really unelectable.

I need this macro

The british working class is a bunch of in bred RC addicts. Why would anyone want to be in touch with them?

It started as deregulation but since Reagan it basically evolved to sterile ideology free politics.
Everything is reduced to managerial ability.

That and it eases monopolization. Look at copyright extension for example.


We need an anti-identity politics movement. Fast.

The Pakis are even more inbred, the most inbred people on the planet actually, Islam in fact encourages inbreeding. Why would anyone want to be in touch with them?

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No, the rest of that article is nothing but liberal idpol cancer. All it is saying is that liberals need to coopt our message again to achieve their own idealist goals.

They will never ever ever learn. 99% of these writers, journalists, politicians, whatever it is, they will never learn. Even when they claim to be on the left, it's as valuable as Dick Cheney claiming to be on the left, they are neoliberals at heart and will always use anything they can as a vehicle for their neoliberalism. It's in their blood.

Their payed by porky to be this way. Their job is to be ideological. We should discredit them TBH.

It wont work. Politics is polarizing away from the traditional left right paradigm. The new paradigm is one of globalism vs anti globalism and it is not only happening in the west. Anti globalist, anti Chinese parties are popping up all over west Africa.

Globalism is just a more PC name for international capitalism.

He's a fucking Blairite fuck off

settle down you autists the guardian always writes stuff like this it doesn't mean anything

Guardian is playng both sides.

Corbyn/Momentum and Sanders shows the Guardian fucking despises the actual left.

Fucking this. Any Briton here knows the Guardian is a liberal shit rag. The people blaming the left for Trump's win. Fuck them. Cunts. Owen Jones himself is incredibly soft hearted. No desire for a fight


Some can be convinced.

The Guardian's Corbyn coverage really unmasked them as enemies of the left.

all the uk papers are shit. the morning star tries but even that gets bogged down in liberalism

LOL, nice optimism

Essentially, neoliberalism means promoting the free movement of money. Remove all the old boundaries and systems that keep capital from moving across borders or being channeled elsewhere through taxation. Pursue globalization, "free trade," privatization, deregulation and elimination of public services or political control of the economy. Remove all boundaries and safeguards, and Free Market Magic™ will allocate capital efficiently and do everything right.

There are a number of obvious problems with this, most importantly that it ignores underlying inequalities and power dynamics inherent in capitalism that are allowed to fuck over people without consequence. Plus human beings aren't electrons and will never be as mobile as capital is.