Chairman Bernie

DRAFT SANDERS FOR PARTY CHAIRMAN
We need to purge the neolib, neocon, idpol porky lizard creatures from the left as fast as possible, and for all practical purposes that means the Democratic Party. For all the well-wishes I have toward 3rd parties, the USA is an FPtP system, and that means real victories can't happen outside the two-party system.

But how about a little inspirational history first? Remember in 2004, when the populist wing of the Democratic Party coalesced around a fella' by the name of Howard Dean, but he was rejected by the party intelligentsia for lacking "electability"? Remember how the establishment-backed candidates, John Edwards and John Kerry, LOST against record-unpopular incumbant George Bush? Probably, but the next part is something most people don't know.

Immediately afterward, the Democratic Party came crawling to Dean, and by the next year he was made chairman, a position which he held clear to 2009. In the 2008 Democratic primary, guess which candidate was created out of thin air in the senate and rolled over a party insider to win the presidency? Barrack Obama.

The Democratic Party establishment has taken an unprecedented beating, giving us unprecedented leverage to wipe them out, but only if we attack from the inside.

You need to go back

Sounds like capitalism.

You've just described extracting surplus value and the subsequent wage dividends...

Fuck that. We should finish off them dems and build an actual working class party to topple the government and build socialism.

You need to read my man, you are really close to understanding the fundamental contradictions of capitalism. Seriously, it's pretty impressive

Why? The party apparatus is already all there for the taking. There will be a battle for the soul of the part in the coming months and the socialists need to be there to take control like we did in the labor party.

Bingo.


The party "apparatus" is also designed to be a funnel for corporate power. Good luck getting the party bosses to vote out their overriding superdelegate powers.

Tbh family I'd rather see Nina turner as the new DNC chairman, Sanders works too hard imo

That's not what I mean dumbass. We kick those people out obviously, but we all the infrastructure, all of the local and state committees, all

I don't know, man. We need to break the two party system, and the democratic party will always be crawling with the liberal wing of the bourgeoisie, and even if we purge them once they'll definitely come back. On the other hand we do have a huge opportunity to take over a lot of stuff from the liberals, and a key one of them is the democratic party. A lot of dem voters are disappointed and blaming the DNC, but they'll come crawling back to them in 2020 no matter who they nominate so we need to make sure they crawl back into our guy's hands.
It could be Sanders. It could be his wife (she has slightly better politics and is also younger). It could be Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard (that would also shut up the idpol wing who are insisting on nominating symbolic tokens).

That infrastructure is only effective because it's backed by capitalist interest. That all goes away in your purge scenario. Why not just build a separate workers party that isn't infested with capital's lap dogs? Unless all you care about is the brand name.

You're either an opportunist, naive, or a really subtle troll.

Go away wsws

Working outside the two-party system is impossible. We could take over one of the major parties, or (and this has happened a number of times you can count on the fingers of one hand) replace one, that's it.

The best we could possibly do short of that, is to use the referendum process in 24 states to switch voting from FPtP to PR/IRV.

But they are already doing that. Superdelegates are on their way out after the primary.

Because as hard as completely revamping the dems would be, building up outside of it would be even harder or else PSL/CPUSA/SAlt would have already done it!

We need to work outside the Democratic Party. It's impossible to reform.
We need to work inside the Democratic Party. We can reform it if we try.

Every single time, without fail.

Did you miss the part where Bernie did the exact opposite, came within inches of winning, and fomented an internal revolt?

Bernie is old, what about Jane Sanders?

Who here Ellison/merkley 2020?

The reason those groups haven't done anything is because they're trying to effect change from within the bourgeois democratic structure. It's impossible. History has shown us this.

You build a party outside of the establishment political structure. You guys are too wrapped up in the democratic process. Unironically you all need to read Bordiga.

does it "have" to be a sanders?

Elison is literally a Muslim

Did you miss the part where Bernie is a liberal?

so?

And?

Not really, but her politics are based for a democrat.

Also, imagine the Hillarybot salt when a left wing woman is the first female president. Another decent pick would be Elizabeth Warren.

lmao yeah you're right - who needs to vote it doesn't change anything, just protest instead XD

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Just like Hussein Osama :^)

Bernie I can put up with, because he's a lifelong independent, avowed socialist, and caused tremendous amounts of asshurt. Selling out to Clinton in such a needlessly inglorious fashion and shilling for her for weeks was the only thing I can fault him on.

Warren, on the other hand, is a mildly interesting but still interchangable just-left-of-mainstream Democrat who stabbed Bernie in the back. I would accept her as an ally, but not as a leader.

Classic. Buzzword is a fucking buzzword.

Wut?

Definitely, Warren not endorsing Sanders is going to bite her on the ass H A R D whether or not it was the right decision.

if you stop talking in buzzwords i'll stop pointing out that you do.
Considering you're saying that if we had seen an election between Trump and Sanders voting would still mean nothing, you don't really have a credible argument to address.
You're just asserting your nonsense is the truth with nothing to substantiate it.
Now, fuck off.

Bernie could have chosen to remain ideologically pure, but the whole point of his entryism was to ingratiate himself to the Democratic base and push them to the left. If he had refused, he loses everything he worked for, Dems make him a Nader, and he goes home empty-handed. Now he can continue precisely where he left off in June, completely vindicated. It's put him in a much better position.

If Sanders was elected it would be marginally better for the working class. Capitalism would continue unopposed, though. You're not going to build socialism, which should be everyone's goal on the left, in establishment politics. It's never happened.

Why is your version of entryism any different than what's been tried for over a century?

Maybe so, but both continuing the primary past California AND conceding just before the convention seemed like a pointless tactical blunder.


I don't buy into the accelerationistic ideal of the revolutionary, where comfortable chains are imagined to bind uncomfortable truths. I believe reformism works, each new step taken giving us power and taking it from porky. I also believe, based on history, that violent revolution is primarily useful as blackmail, and its record of success when actually implemented absolutely abysmal.

I don't think it would have continued unopposed, simply because Sanders created a movement that is fertile ground for anti-capitalist agitation. Any attempt by porky to porkify America even further would be met with outrage and the a willingness to stop it, while you have in charge a guy who's sympathetic to those struggles. It would have been great for the left, even though we all know there would still not be socialism just yet.

I think the intent was "stack the convention with as many Berniecrats as possible, then concede to make things less of a futile effort to nominate bernie so people can actually focus on trying to get things in the platform."

Yeah! The SPD, SYRIZA, Podemos, Labour, and all our other reformist allies have gotten us socialism! They totally didn't integrate into the establishment and push austerity. The SPD totally didn't help the Nazis purge socialists and communists.

honestly kys fam

Did they? I thought they had lost the elections.

and all those wonderful class revolutions got us socialism too didn't they :^)

kys

At least they accomplished more then being a platform to launch the political careers of scumfuck opportunists.

is this guy retarded?

Like what

the point is that you could remove the owner and the operation would still function