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government subsidized emergency healthcare on a sliding income scale up to $20,000, while working after that free market.

work requirement for welfare, kids or not, tarquisha can't sit and pop out niglets on the governments dime. work or proving looking for work, then free healthcare while on welfare.

limits to welfare, kids or not, 1 year maximum. no job after that, kids taken away, welfare cut off, let private charity deal with it after that

Don't worry, I don't.

this is a good idea
it'd be nice if congress wasn't full of fucking retards

while i would cut off welfare after 1 year, and take kids away etc if no job i would also have considerably more resources put into government homeless shelters.

nobody is getting a job sleeping on the sidewalk with no ability to shower shave or store any items. government barracks style emergency housing, food, etc, minimal living conditions in order to get your shit back together.

and obviously none of this for non-citizens, if your illegal or a green card holder or anything that isn't a citizen, no welfare, no anything, your on your own, and no job within x months immediate deportation

repeal this shit and all the money it spends on people who cant take care of themselves.

let the free market sort it out

survive or die

doesnt look good on a bumper sticker tho

Healthcare should be re-engineered to aid the fittest and most prepared, not hamplanets and niggers who get shot trying to steal some other drug dealer's stash.

Any system that treats people equally is bullshit. We need the CRA eliminated so we can have race-based health insurance policies.

The lynchpin to restoring everything is to eliminate the CRA. Then we can have whites only businesses again.

I like the way this sounds. At the same time it will help the obesity problem because then people will save money if there not whales

Simple, get rid of the patent system, watch prices crash to nil.

Of course the kikes would never let you do it.

I like it too, also encourages good health amongst the citizenry as well, which in turn decreases need for more health care.

what are you sliding cHAIM

NatSoc way = Single-payer healthcare, work required for healthcare, benefits if veteran, soldier, etc. Mandatory exams and physical activities too.

Libertarian way = Erase the patent system, take out the government from healthcare and let private insurances compete with few regulations but a lot of transparency

That could be easily done by limiting healthcare coverage to accidents and injuries. If you want general good health under this system, you will be forced to take your own preventative measures.

Large companies demanded many of those regulations in the first place to crush any newcomers.
Good luck with that.

Doesn't work unless there are actual jobs to get. You really want to take the kids away from a white family because the father looks for and applies for jobs regularly but doesn't get accepted?

If you wanna fix healthcare, you gotta fix the banking system, and to fix the banking system, you gotta fix the energy system.

Money = Time + Energy

If you have a renewable source of energy, then you can have extra money to spend on healthcare.

Preventative is great, as long as they don't force you to do shit, maybe if you don't do it then that thing breaks, your not covered.

If you force vaccines you know the jew will hijack it somehow.

Just kill all the Jews, they are probably behind it.

that's a good point but there's always a job somewhere, they shouldn't have had kids if they couldn't support them.

do i really want to pay for someone elses 5 white kids? maybe, but there's no way that will ever happen unless your paying for 500 nigger/spic kids at the same time.

kids can be returned to parents when they get their shit together.

First pic bad ass.MOAR

kill all jews and shit skins system fixed
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let me rephrase it, do you really want to pay for strong independent feminist single white female's 5 kids, after she divorced the father took half of the shit, squandered it, and now lives on section 8, child support, and welfare, with zero motivation to work to support herself, milking her own kids for the gibs?

No

The health of the nation is the foundation for goverment provided health care. That being said, a government program should be structured toward that end. No other.

Provide Maintenance care for all citizens
This would include checkups, basic "help, I don't understand what to do when I'm sick" appointments, required physicals for work, and testing for STIs and other common conditions

Provide basic emergency care for all citizens
Such care would ensure saving a patient's life and getting them to a stable enough position to send home for recovery. This care would be only be covered by the government to the extent that is necessary to save the patient's life.

Provide health care options for citizens who opt out of carrying full health insurance
Not all citizens can afford or desire to carry insurance. Healthy individuals in their twenties are a prime example of this, as they more than likely neither desire insurance or can afford it on their own. Options in this case would be providing the equivalent of a HSA paid for through government subsidy that can be used only for medical expenses. This account would also be available for prescriptions, dental, optical, and psychological care.

Protect citizens from pharmacudical companies
''Where monopolies on required products or services exist, there is a tendancy for abuse of the consumer. Given this, profit margin on name brand drugs should be capped to prevent abuse. This would allow for a middle ground between companies recouping costs and citizens being able to afford essential drugs. DHHS should perform audits of companies randomly and in instances of suspected price gouging.

Provide maternity care and nutritional assistance for small children
New citizens provide a future for the nation, thus the state should ensure that children are brought into the world healthy. Expecting mothers would have their health account max expenditure increased to accommodate expected pregnacy related care. Education for new parents must be greatly expanded to ensure parents are capable of caring for children. Breastfeeding must be highly encouraged, but formula assistance should be provided for mothers who cannot produce.
Additionaly, abortions should only be provided when medically necessary, and children born to single mothers out of wedlock should be put up for adoption preferably to family members of the mother.

Hold citizens responsible for their own care
Children need to be taught how to identify and treat common medical issues in themselves and others. Adults need to stay proficient in these skills. This would include treatment of colds, emergency field medicine, strains, etc. Such education would reduce the stress non medical emergencies place on the health care system.
Physical education must be expanded in schools public and private, to include both sports/physical activity and education on the science of physical activity effect on physical and mental health. Matching grants should be provided to counties and municipalities that impliment sports leagues for minors and adults.

Health insurance as we have it today should be available accross state lines in addition to gov provided programs.
Prices for care should be required to be made available upon request.
Gov provided care should only be available for citizens.

Such a system as described above would not only be highly effective at providing care for citizens, it would do so by bringing down costs at all levels. Additionally, It is fully inline with National Socialism.

opps nigger saged. Apologies

Now I dare someone to find a better plan.

>how do we provide (((people))) with healthcare
Keeping the weak alive ruins the race. The weak must perish and the strong should survive. Historically in Europe around half of women died in childbirth, while the other half fought wars to see who would get to fuck the other half. The result of this sort of selection was world colonization.

Affordable for who? Our friendly People Of Color aka Niggers and Spics? For White small business owners just repeal obombercare and go back to what we had before. Also repeal medicaid and medicare.

Damn user, where did you get all that tasty knowledge? So far the best post out of them all.

single payer healthcare if you
1.have a job
2. aren't obese/addicted to substances.
Checkups and monitorings constantly. Healthcare isn't a right, it is a privilege that you have to earn.
Also prevent jews from finding "loopholes" and fucking everyone over.

obongocare is subsidized by the government as was intended by the insurance companies themselves. now they are making more money than ever and lying to the media with sob stories about "muh shekels".

better off cutting out the middleman than paying these scumbag insurance companies that scammed the American people with obongocare.. they wrote that fucking bill.

There is no way to solve healthcare without first removing nogs, spics, etc from the country.

Shit often happens after people have kids. Husband killed by drunk driver, dies from cancer or some unknown ailment, or some undetected heart issue, murdered by a street ape, whatever. Single mother with a shit job must now work and raise the children without getting arrested for letting the oldest child babysit while she's at work all day (just kidding, good luck getting a full time job that can keep ONE person fed and housed, much less three or four). Anything can happen. Shitty things happen to good people, good things happen to shitty people; that's the only balance in civilization.

My health care plan is a 12 gauge slug. Only cost me a dollar!

actually the fittest humans rarely go to hospitals. they live to be 100+ and rarely get sick.

this might as well be full single player health care, for free, those two things are everything, the only thing missing here is prescription drugs, which if aren't taken, become emergency care. This will be abused by niggers and spics all day long, they will never pay for health insurance.

This is welfare, WIC, food stamps, etc, this is great for white only, but in reality niggers and spics will abuse the hell out of this system like they do now.

this is the real problem, lots of solutions work for a white productive citizenry, but that's not what we are dealing with here.

You known what solves Health Care ? Genocide.

Fixing healthcare so niggers won't exploit it is like putting a band aid shattered leg. Blood won't come out but you still have the fucked up bone.

Read MK, understand the economic policies of the NDSAP, and study where the system we have fails.

Our people must come first. Providing them with the opportunity for success does not mean removing the option for failure.

The issues you bring up should be addressed though other parts of the social net than through healthcare. Daycare is another hot button item that we have little/no mention of in foundational documents, but must be addressed by the NS platform. Care for widows is something that should be addressed, with emphasis toward forming new households.

You appear to miss points made later in the post.

No, they are not. The big expensive things are "western diseases" that are the product of sedentary lifestyles and garbage diets.

Re-read the section about unwed mothers. De-incentiveising the production of childred out of wedlock will shore up the issue on one front while it can be addressed through social policies outside of healthcare.

Rewarding white behaviors in non-whites and punishing non-white behaviors would shift the decision making of non-whites to conform with desired outcomes. Presently, it is too profitable for non-whites to be leaches on the system. Remove the blood supply and what happens to the leach?

It is sad but true. My mother is an RN and her patients are always disproportionately black and always cause a ton of trouble for countless reasons. Personally, I do payroll for a company that hires a lot of niggers due to its low pay. They are constantly going to the hospital, often the emergency room either for imagined illnesses or real (due to being obese) or a family member got shot up or something. Finding a nigger who works everyday is near impossible; you have to find some 1%er.

I totally missed that part somehow

Hard, because you gotta de–programmed retards who have been fed with the "Healthcare is a Right!" shit first. And the system before Obummercare wasn't perfect and existed to screw you, but a least there was more fucking choices, there wasn't a decrease in healthcare professionals and your taxes wasn't increased for that select few welfare leeches.

Worker's compensation, they will use any made up excuse to get off work

They would label this as nazi like in the media. Like a militarization of some crap. But I like it. I think it could solve a lot of problems with health and obesity

It's not the government's problem.

Step 1: violently purge leftists
Step 2: deport non white Christians
Step 3: strip women of the vote, limit it to one vote per household wherein the family has at least one child, at least one rifle, and owns their homestead
Step 4: hit the reset button on our government to scale back the feds to their proper place. However, ammend the constitution for:

America should not be engulfed by a foreign framework, I don't give a fuck about Natsoc Germany LARPers that want to turn the country into their nanny state wet dream. Government needs to be put in its proper place and allow the re-emergence of the free, WASP nation.

Obamacare mandated more IRS agents, but no new doctors – this means all new patients will be divided among existing doctors
AMA controls the supply of doctors, artificially increasing the primary cost of medical service
this is an obvious racket. I was surprised Donald never mentioned this during the debates

Kill yourself kike.

(((you)))

you cant let your opponents decide what you are going to do. commies are never going to like what we advocate, trying to appease them is a waste of time. furthermore, this thread is about ideal hypotheticals, not what is realisitcly feasable. you waste your own time even bringing this up.

Further, arguing their points validates them. Simply dismiss your opponent's points and accusations, then go on the attack.

First we tackle FARMING SUBSIDIES. Why that first? Take a look at what's in junk food. Corn and soy byproducts! Things that are making Americans unhealthy and adding to the bloat of the cost of healthcare. Diabetes, heart disease, and all things related to obesity are connected to the additives in our food which we don't need at all. Why is junk food so cheap at stores? Because a good amount of its ingredients are subsidized. So we end the taxation of the population which goes to GMO monocrop farms that grows (((food))) which makes us sick. That's step one.

Excuse my ignorance of the American medical system, but from the perspective of a socialized medicine recipient it seems extremely complex, even baroque. How does "single payer" health care compare to a single tier socialized medicine arrangement? Is there a real free market in U.S. health insurance such that one could start up an insurance company that only accepted clients that met certain criteria that were medically salient? For example, only selling insurance to the physically fit, or those taller than 190cm, or those of a certain race? Various groups have distinct distributions of ailments beyond the obvious race-linked ones like sickle cell anemia or cystic fibrosis. Are these groups catered to by insurance forms or is every insurance firm expected to be "full spectrum"?

step 0: remove all nonwhites from america, as they are all net drains on the economy and the primary recipients of welfare
step 1: remove all welfare programs, everyone making less than 250k/yr gets a flat 1 grand a month, 100% discretionary ie no limits or restrictions on how its used
step 2: abolish the FDA. this removes the main barrier to entry into the pharmaceutical market and will drastically increase market competition, driving prices down
step 3: abolsh the us patent office, as it is also a huge part of market stagnation

Before Kiaser and Richard Nixon fucked up the system there was affordable treatment paid out of pocket. Somewhere long the line doctors thought they deserved to make more money than God for pulling your kids wisdom teeth out or whatever.

Don't parrot politician, user. You're on Holla Forums

HA!
Look at this rich spoiled daddy's boy who has never had to go on unemployment and thinks it pays you anywhere near what you earned for working.

1) Prosecute collusion between insurers and healthcare providers.

This is probably 90% of the problem.
youtube.com/watch?v=XYKYvWybVFA

2) Remove the requirement to provide urgent care for people who can no pay (niggers and illegals)

That's pretty much it.

its called medicare

Fucking kike worshiper. Die for Israel!

I'd put a bullet in your head before you could ever accomplish your Zionist goals!

Local, private charity.

You know how people give beggars coins because they pity them?

This also works on larger things.
The catch is that you'll have to become buddies with your community, and that is heavily deincentivized.
They like it when we all stay at home cause we don't trust anyone anymore, and why should we?
Everybody is bred to be a bastard nowadays.

Still, that is the only solution that works.
Your house gets struck by lightning and your neighbors all pitch in, and vice versa.

Let's save the religion D&C for a more relevant thread. adc0e8 already showed us that he doesn't belong here. No need to incite less attentive anons into the wrong argument for this thread.

Amazing how effective your approach would be if paired with the government solution offered in

Brothers helping brothers. A hand up, not a hand-out.

Proven again all christians are either libshits or civnats. You have 0 alliance with whites, only kikes.
You're right. America shouldn't abide by semite rules and semite religious practices.
typical butthurt semite worshiper talk.

You're a strange mix of libertarian and jealous communist.

It does if you are a fat nigress with diabetes and 4 kids.
The government rewards those who make the worst choices in life the most.

lolberg yes, but what part of that is communist? abolishing the fda and the us patent office incredibly anti-state.

You want your monthly gibs to spend on whatever you please.

Your system is great! Problem is that you would need to get rid of the kikes at the top of the pyramid. You would also have to make money have value again instead of being useless fiat that can be printed into oblivion.

Your system also would need to account for those who are self-sufficient but need emergency care. Not sure how you would do that short of allowing direct echange of goods to the state/nation in exchange for care/currency ot get care with.

Yet again that comes back to fiat money though.

A great pact with the Democrats. "They get" Single Payer Healthcare and we get a total rehaul of the immigration system… essentially halting all immigration and refugees, legal and illegal, the authority to revisit "legalized" citizens, establish citizenship by blood and we get guaranteed the funds to build the wall (before we get a Mexico to pay for it).

Of course (((they))) wouldn't agree to it but it would tear their voter base apart as Whites see single payer as the holy grail.

at the cost of all other extant welfare systems. making it discretionary achieves the same ends as all other welfare programs at a much lower price and a much smaller government body since there would be no need to audit recipiants to determine if they are spending the money like daddy government says they are supposed to.

hello, shills and anons who fall for their traps

I agree with single payer health care, always have. It's just that muds abuse the system.

Modern healthcare is heavily commercialized and swamped with useless people coming in for wasteful care. I went to my yearly physical and I was the only person there that wasn't 300 pounds or 90, the doctor saw me for 5 minutes out of a 40 minute wait and said see ya next year.

Unhealthy people have made doctors look like useless fucks that charge too much for care in the eyes of people that never visit or can't afford to be seen. You can go to emergency care for any immediate issue and be treated fairly, but I honestly don't believe everyone needs to constantly be covered by usurious fees; how can you insure a human life like it's just another cog in the machine? This standardization of people is exactly why it will never be properly implemented because it can not work. Nobody is ever going to get free care and have it be a perfect system.

You get it, the healthcare system is not going to fix the ailments of modern society it's a more of a band-aid on a much larger scale problem that the government will never tackle.

how about fucking no one gets health care and the sick die

It looks like a lot of people here think single payer is the option as long as people are incentivised to stay healthy and not get fat. And of course only after we deport all the illegals and refuse free service for anyone on a visa.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Republicans are so cucked that they can't repeal Obamacare with all branches of government under their control even after almost a decade of bitching.

Maybe "fix" Obamacare in exchange for the RAISE act passing?

I don't know about you user but my health care is pretty fucking expensive. Not all whites own a business.

Honestly, leave it up to the free markets.
When you have mandatory health care then the sky's the limit as to how much health care companies could charge people. The markets

I always think back to breaking up monopolies on healthcare like big pharma but realize im not to educated on the subject which would cost the lives of millions if not to careful. idk tbh

what exactly makes me a shill?

god fucking damnit. I never hit reply by accident before.
My unpolished post should be a sufficient representation for my opinion.
not a lolberg, though. trust me.

We all know niggers and every other piece of shit on welfare is killing us. You can't forget about old people though. Its crazy what tax money we put into the old people. Someone with dementia, Alzheimer's, or just plain old crazy should be given a permanent sleeping pill.

Prevention is the best solution to most problems. That means eugenics. Eugenics doesn't have to be gas chambers, it can be humane.

After that, it's having a sound financial system - which requires a sound populace that won't make too many demands. You can't have that without homogeneity, because anyone's suffering will be seen as only the maximization of happiness - hedonism. Utilitarianism. The solution to that is an utterly merciless genocide against every ethnicity; so there is no more room for resentment (though something will pop up).

This topic saddens me since my father is struggling with medication he needs for arthritis and I hate seeing him have to penny pinch for it. It's the fault of corporate welfare, bailing out banks, that prevented a libertarian revival (tea party) and a revolt against banks (occupy wallstreet). The ones who control everything successfully pit those two against each other.

The worst part is that the more we pay, the more power (((they))) get behind the scenes, in the shadows. This 'calm' 'coming down' is bad and the only hope is either revolution or that Trump isn't a cryptokike.

Eugenics programs would be easy to implement through selective sterilization supported by propaganda supporting such as a heroic sacrifice for the betterment of civilization.

Elderly care is something I need to add to my platform given above. I’ll put some thought into that and push it back out later with the eugenics stuff as well.

You (and others here) hit the nail on the head with the urgent need for a stable currency. While not ‘’directly’’ changes to the healthcare program, we all know that stable currency is a foundation of stable society. Removing the influence of the (((internationalists))) will be hard, but essential for our cause.

Pretty much communism. That is stateless anyway :)

We need to acknowledge that costs are largely driven up by Jews and by Jewish systems such as the wealth-extracting financial system, thoroughly Jewed patent law, Jewed medical law ("The AMA isn't a monopoly, goyim!"), and an overabundance of nonwhites who not only suffer injuries and diseases far more than whites (driving up costs) but who drive up the rates for whites as well (through crime, disease fermenting, disease transport, decreased white living standards, etc.). Remove Jews and nonwhites and most healthcare problems will be solved.

That said, I'm not a fan of the insurance-based system. Before in the US we used to have a fraternity-based system wherein people would collectively pool their money, hire a doctor, and then see the doctor whenever they needed to. This worked until (((doctors))) decided that healthcare was too cheap and decided to monopolize it through licensing and exclude any doctor who didn't Jew his patients, as well as declare that every single doctor needed expensive extra training when most people will only need a moderately trained GP for 90% of their needs.

Theoretically you could do the same thing with lawyers, which are also too expensive.

There was once a meme in this country about the "poor country doctor." Long gone are those days. Financialization has hit us hard.

Jews can't stand goyim making costs anything but extortionate in the professions they inhabit.

I honestly hate doctors today, I think they are largely terrible people and avoid them as much as possible. I used to work IT for health care and saw the massive waste that goes on.

If you had only whites you could have the European model but of course you can't have that.

To be brutally honest there needs to be a requirement for pricing on medical procedures. Why is it that some people are charged 60,000 and others only 20,000 in different states or different people? It's not about health insurance you could go back to regular private insurance if prices were known but of course you're dealing with Jews so if you can't eliminate Jews then just make health insurance illegal because all the excess funds go to them, Jews don't help anyone but other Jews and Golems.

Do what we did back when it worked. Get the fuck out of the market, and let all the niggers die slowly without intervention, saving all the medicine for the white people who can plan ahead and have at least a small amount to pay for a housecall from the local doctor when little Timmy has a cold.

i would blame that on extortionate college costs making med school available only to the patrician class.

They're a thoroughly Jewed profession so it shouldn't really be surprising.

The European model is Jewed and shit. It only looks good because it only deals with whites and is less Jewed than the US. In fact, consider how shit it is when it is possible to argue the US has better healthcare (wait-times, quality of service, etc.) despite the overwhelming advantages it has. How do you fuck up healthcare dealing almost entirely with whites and with Jew system a fraction of the burden of the US's?

You don't need 60-inch flatscreens with cable, gourmet meals and a private thot for every patient to give them a blowjob in a fucking hospital. They just need to not let you die and then boot you out. It's not a hotel.

Comprehensive post time. Costs are driven up by:

I'm sure there are others, but that's what I can think of at the moment.

I bet you think the Soviet Union was a paradise too.

I'm assuming none of you are vets or have been to a VA hospital/clinic recently. I volunteer at one every once in a while (I like hearing war stories). The government should NEVER be trusted to run a hospital EVER. It's story time.

Before going forward, I should mention that this is a clinic, not a hospital, so we don't have an emergency room. The video of the man screaming in pain was at a VA hospital, not a clinic. Luckily, I haven't seen anything that bad.

Granted, this is not an ER, so the ambulance bay isn't that important, but they do perform surgeries there. Someone could easily miss a surgery that way.

It's been almost a month. They should've either had a temporary system up, or somehow keep the current system up while implementing the new system.

There are elderly people

Apparently you can make an appointment to get your eyes checked after the glasses shop closes. People who do that aren't told and have to return later. Many of the people at the clinic are elderly and probably shouldn't be driving. Peak efficiency, guys.

Later they all walked in. They took a 2 hour lunch break off-site without telling anybody. Some people missed appointments because of it.

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I've worked as a payer of healthcare claims for a while. I have operated and designed self-funded healthcare plans for most of that time.

The very quick version is: You'd have to address or satisfy the immense pre-existing financial interest in the private healthcare sector. This includes everything from soup to nuts, including both the payers (read: commercial for-profit insurance companies like Blue Cross Blue Shield) and providers (Docs, Pharma, Hospital Orgs, etc). This is where a lot of the 1/7th of the GDP that makes up the Healthcare sector is located.

More importantly, you would need to get people to understand that "INSURANCE" IS NOT THE SAME THING AS "MEDICAL WELFARE." Here is a quick youtube video I made a while back to try and explain this along with how the ACA fucks this principle up: youtube.com/watch?v=XFcCvkqQvT0

It is critically important to understand that insurance is a financial tool that is not for everyone. Moreover it is important to understand that insurance simply CANNOT work for everyone even if it was applied with the best math you could use to apply it. This is aside from all the for-profit Jewry that gets inserted at the commercial carriers to keep profits up and investors happy.

Never forget the purpose of medical WELFARE is to supply something to someone who cannot afford it. "Insurance" is a financial tool with specific rules: you are effectively buying access to an exclusive group contract, AKA: Plan Document. These two things cannot co-exist in any real equal measure because they inherently compete. Places like Canada have a two-tier system, and the private sector is maybe 10% of the providers at best - a shadow of what the private sector is in the US.

To institute pervasive and comprehensive medical welfare, you would likely have to supplant, take over, or outright demolish the existing private healthcare sector - specifically the relationships between payers (private commercial insurance) and providers.

So how you going to do it? Hostile Socialist takeover? Pass a bunch of laws that prevents them from doing business? There's gonna be pushback the more you push on their bottom line. You saw what the ACA did. Laws were passed that tried to turn the private sector into welfare by forcing people formerly denied insurance into the private sector, and guess what? The private sector passed the cost down to all other insureds on the plan when they had to take all those motherfuckers who never should have had insurance.

Again, pervasive medical welfare and the private sector as it is cannot co-exist.

cont.

Kind of his fault, but the receptionist can clearly see where he is supposed to be. The receptionists' computers will even say "wrong area" on the side if he is in the wrong area.

I think I should say before these next few that vets get compensated for traveling to the clinic/hospital if certain requirements are met. I have no idea what they are. (They don't get any if they use government transportation, like city buses.)

I don't want to say how much he got paid, but let's just say flipping burgers for an hour would pay better.

Efficiency.

I could probably go on, but I need sleep. I'll probably post more tomorrow.

Semi related:
They found her later, so that's a plus.

Haha.
Someone's getting written up.

100% tax on junk foods. They are creating so many fat people and they refuse to stop eating the junk foods.

Step 1 legalize suicide
Step 2 mandate euthanasia for the degenerate
Step 3 Healthcare is now cheap because no degenerates shitting it up with there 400 lbs lard asses or aids riddled shit

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Segmented health care. Instead of every state being assigned one health care provider, they are assigned two. One health care plan for high odd recipients, and one for low odd recipients. High odd recipients are people who - whether by choice or by birth - have a high likelihood of requiring one or regular health care payouts. Those would include anyone who takes heavy drugs, anyone who heavily consumes alcohol or tobacco, anyone who smokes weed, homosexuals, people (including women) with a certain amount of total sexual partners in their lifetime, transsexuals, people who are overweight, and people with other self-inflicted conditions. People in the high-odd-plan can only receive payouts from the provider of the high-odd-plan, and not the provider of the low-odd-plan. The low-odd-plan consists of everyone these commonly known high-cost-patients aren't part of. That way, the provider of the low-odd-plan can reasonably make money, even without raising the premiums. Meanwhile, this doesn't go for the high-odd-plan. The premiums increase and increase, until high-risk patients find themselves forced to choose between making life choices that make them cheaper on public health care, or become unable to afford the health care plan they have access to and thus die in many cases.

So there's these guys that are closer.
Then there's the rest of you lot.

To you two contenders, I trust you know why all of this is done in the first place? The seed of doubt starting with WWII insurance tax exemption as a bypass for rationing and wage controls. And the officials, starting in 1965 with LBJ and the Great Society Programs, and their successor additions added on since then, all for the same reasons of make-work. Make-work, make-insurance, make-poverty, make-education all ratified, all to make numerator capital flows, to tide central banking mismanagement: It itself a Catch-22.

So while the libtards are retarded, this element of their narrative is correct. Any attempts to redress health care will be misplaced, because they should redress health insurance. And any attempts to redress health insurance will be misplaced, because they should redress accounting, banking, loans, and central printing currency print-runs. And any attempts to redress currency mis-underwriting-management will be misplaced, because they should redress welfare and shitskin general.

And any attempts to redress shitskin general only come to the forefront because of energy failures, which facilitate the thieving gibs runs further (both by no energy to prevent, and feedback of higher consumption for gibs-holes). The dynamic interplay between the two of these co-dependencies is preserved because, in fact, of kikes. It has only abated during home-front war, accelerated during wars non-home-front wars, and slowly coasted higher in the in between.

Whatever the 'new' implementation, it will not work on the accounting level: that part has been turned off. On purpose. And all the banks know it. What comes next, is right on schedule.

Fuck you OP
Focus not on treating sick. Health care will start at the market. Therefore, if guv wants to play an effective role. They will install a market in every county, and then town supplying cost effected real foods.

see embed video for more in formation

The only honest answer you'll get in this thread: Sound money.
If you don't understand the ramifications of our debt-based bullshit system, you won't understand the resulting economic imbalances and misallocations. Without sound money, all attempts at fixing a fucked up economy are worthless.

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Now that is what I call a jewish inversion!

1. Basic Health Insurance costs are the same and affordable for everyone. Take a fitness/health test every year, you pay less if fit, more if fat.
2. You don't recieve money per kid, you pay less taxes per kid. This kills the sheboon.
3. No one recieves gubberment money. Everyone unemployed can go to the local government and take a job like trash removal, toilet cleaning etc. Basically the government is always ready to give you a "public" job if you need it, so technically no one has to starve.
4. All of the above requires citizenship.
A non healthcare extra:
5. Illegals must pay a fine of 10.000$ for every week they stay in the US, which goes into border patrol funds.

If you honestly think a gold-standard or something similar (which sounds like what you're implying) will fix problems you're naïve and mistaken. Even if we had sound money (to be clear, that doesn't mean "commodity currencies") it wouldn't help things much because the problems are greater than that. For a start, the fact that debt and interest even exist. That is absolutely separate from money itself, and you need to fix that as well before things are totally unJewed. Among other things.

Single payer, deport all spics and niggers, alcoholics and smokers not included. Private options available for those willing to cough up whatever the kikes running McMoney Hospital feel like charging.

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Smokers are net taxpayers though. It's far cheaper to die of lung cancer at 50 than to shit in your diapers in old folk's homes for 20+ years after retiring

And while we're at it;

Were you bullied, are you retarded, or both?

Yeah, is life a competition about who gets to rot away in their degenerating body the longest?

No you don't, unless you're underage, and can't smoke with reason

Who's forcing you to smoke a pack a day, fucking yokel?

I have understood that the majority of you, fine Holla Forumstards, are in fact such wimps that you have not even dared to taste a cigarette. During recess you stand half outside the circle, with your hands in your pockets and head frozen in fear like a sheep surrounded by wolves. Occasionally you check your phone as if a girl had messaged you. Hah.

On top of that you come here every night crying about how you can't get a girlfriend. Has it never occurred to you that the problem might your smokelessness? I don't even want to fuck with you pieces of human trash, only to explain how pathetic it is to miss out on the best years of your life for the sake of a few pennies a day. Smoking cigarettes is cheaper than the hooker who will take your virginity.

Smokers are cheaper for the state than non-smokers. Cancer treatment is cheaper than the specialist treatments and endless surgeries received by 90-year-olds. Cancer kills at a young age, leaving no need to pay for dozens of years worth of insurance. Smokers are heroes and the state should encourage everyone to begin smoking.

I actually had to quit smoking because of the amount of pussy I received became too much for my sexual virility. Even my wife lost her nerves when the balcony door was constantly being battered by teenage girls with desires to suck my cock. The situation was reminiscent of a zombie invasion, but instead of brains the girls were shouting ”Cock! Cock!” The funniest part is that I live on the sixth floor so the girls indeed climbed the rain gutter straight to our balcony. Now that I've gotten rid of cigarettes I only get pussy a couple of times a week and my life is considerably easier.

My face when I smoke Camel. Fucking pussies, smoking is one of the greatest pleasures in life and an excellent stress reliever. I've been smoking for six years and received no medical drawbacks. Smoking is alpha as fuck and it proves that you're no coward.

polite sage for shitposting, don't ban me kikefy

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and you're almost a Holla Forumsack too, what a shame that your butthurt is incurable.

I am a Holla Forumsack. Been here long enough to not suck moderator cock, especially no fun allowed faggots like Kampfy

lol eat a dick

There is no solution for (((healthcare))) and no one needs it unless he is mentally incompetent ("care"=guardian/ward relationship). We just need to return to pre-Rockefeller medical services (by contract with equals at law) and credentialing done completely by private organisations.

Sterilize all minorities. Gas all fatties. Healthcare costs plummet. Universal healthcare is now affordable. You are welcome.

I like the idea of a fitness test but they'll just constantly try to force the requirements down by calling it discriminatory.

This thread is hilarious.

You sperg about national socialism but most of you want a libertarain healthcare. Conclusion? You are all just libertarian retards pretending to be badass nazis because you post Goebbels and Hitler pics. Sad!

Pay out of pocket for things like yearly checkups, viruses, other small things. Insurance for things like heart attacks, broken bones, head injuries, other life threatening things.

How about fuck off and take your state cuckoldry to countries that have no capacity for self governance? Get a fucking job you NEETs, I'm not subsidizing your shit.

are you a triggered jew or another self hating white from the northeast? OR are you a self hating white who moved to NYC/SF/LA from the north east?

yes goy, keep screeching for more free market, while you cry about lolbergs

Even before that DARN COMMUNIST OBUMMERCARE us healthcare was far inferior to european socialised options and still the most expensive one. Free market healthcare is a dead end since people don't think prospectively and will deny themselves health insurance in favour for some cash staying in their pocket… until they get sick and then they bitch and moan. and die.

KEK WARNING ⚠️ TRIGGERED KIKES ABOVE

Best solution I have seen was written up in Overhauling America’s Healthcare Machine – Stop the Bleeding and Save Trillions.
amazon.com/Overhauling-Americas-Healthcare-Machine-Trillions/dp/0132173255

Basic outline:
He proposes a 3-tiered healthcare system. The bottom tier, Tier 1, consists of self-pay healthcare. All individuals would be expected to pay a certain amount each year toward their own healthcare, say $2000 per individual, or $4000 per family. The funds for Tier 1 could reside in a Health Savings Account, which the individual would own. People with low incomes would have HSAs funded by the government. But everyone has the opportunity to own an HSA, and everyone controls the first $2000 of spending on their own healthcare (and keeps what money is not spent).

Once the individual exhausts their annual $2000 limit, their healthcare would default to a publicly-funded Universal Health Insurance Plan (Tier 2). The universal health plan – which would cover every American, even members of Congress – would operate under a system of open healthcare rationing, for the purpose of keeping public spending on healthcare on a reasonable budget. Perednia spells out the details on how such open rationing could be accomplished. Obviously, establishing any system for openly rationing healthcare would be a very difficult and exceedingly painful process. It seems very likely that only after experiencing great gouts of pain from our current healthcare system could we Americans be enticed to tackle such a thing. But Perednia (and I) postulate that such a circumstance may become manifest in the very foreseeable future.

Tier 3 is a completely voluntary, self-funded insurance product. Here, the health insurance industry would offer various levels of additional health insurance to people who want it, which will pay for services not covered under the open rationing in Tier 2. Health insurance in Tier 3 would begin to look like an actual insurance product (i.e., one that protects individuals against unforeseen, potentially catastrophic expenses), instead of the soup-to-nuts coverage of everyone’s heart’s desire that now passes for health “insurance.”

TLDR: Pay cash for basics. Have universal care for most basic medical problems. You want exotic shit and cutting edge medicine - you pay for your own insurance (or get it through employer.

You get single payer for the basics, doling out veterinary care for all the Dindu's. You also shaft the kikes gouging everybody for the basics. Tier 3 private insurance is for people with agency who want to pay for it. It preserves a partial free market in the medical system, and provides enough fat to attract capital investment in medical innovation.

Outlaw all forms of insurance, public and private, allowing only for healthshare plans like the Amish do.

Eliminate middlemen and you eliminate the incentive to jack up pricing.

Prices will necessarily FALL like a rock once you eliminate inflationary bet-hedging shitshow insurance company faggotry.

This is the only real option short of deporting the non-whites. What we did pre WWII was just let those who could not find for themselves starve. Blacks predictably were generationally starving, and could usually only get work by hiring themselves out for slave tier wages to do menial labor. "Sharecropping" was just slavery with wages, same difference, Jews never intended to stop profiteering from niggers, only recently have they embraced niggers not working because machines do it better.

As for the OP, we have two major problems with regards to healthcare

1. Diet and exercise: like driving and sex, every man over 18 thinks they know what they are doing in regards to this. Attempts to reach or even debate are generally met with resistance or just turned heads. But until diet and exercise are addressed fully in a way that gives every working man and their families a legit shot at full health as our DNA should be able to provide us, we will be largely vulnerable and unhealthy except for a brief period in our teens and twenties when our hormones are raging the highest and indiscretions are more forgiven. An understanding of diet and exercise should lead most of healthcare itself to simply disappear, with most services rendered being for treating ultra rare (much rarer than cancer) diseases and addressing trauma cases from injury.

2. Vice liability: while some might get a free pass now for ignorance, bad health can and will persist in the population after such time as knowledge of good healthcare becomes pervasive. Any universalist system of insurance or care by its nature does not punish people for their choices. Smoking cigarettes is an obvious risk, as is copious liquor drinking or dabbling in hard opiates and stims. Fatness too, once diet is understood, will have to be re-labeled as a choice (it is not so much now despite your /fit/izen indoctrination) and fat people will have to be punished with fines accordingly.

The old American notion of "freedom" largely defines fatness as something that happens when you eat what you want, but if Holla Forums and NatSoc ideology have taught us anything, it's that unlimited freedom quickly turns into one more avenue for Jewish subversion of Aryan destiny, and such vague and tempting absolutisms should be treated as Jewish by default.

These contradict each other. And if you think "basic" and "emergency" will keep visits down, sorry bub, every thing will become a basic emergency.

How about you stop every retard in America from suing their doctors after every fucking encounter, pushing up prices for everyone else?

There we get the magic "free" bullet again. White is better yes, but whites "free" to be sedentary and grain-consumimg, not to mention drugged up and drunk, will always be in trouble. You've also not addressed monopolies on tech and Trappist regulatory schemes that deincentivize useful people entering the medical field.

Grain is a commodity business that allows for arbitrage, it is like sugar writ large. Take away the demand for grain and all the subsidies in the world will not help it. Fa meat responsibly (Savory method) and you can get it actually CHEAPER than conventional-chemical feedlots, so no need to haggle over definitions of organic or holistic. Get people to eat this Savory-organic meat and cut grain out (limiting other sugar greatly as well) and you have a "health plan" that really works, just not one you're used to because it places no great reliance on doctors.

Forgot to add…

I think you're missing a particular group of people known for subversion from your ban list.

dude why not just go to your neigbour the hobbyist surgeon and get a cancer surgery in his garage for like three fiddy, just be careful of his shoddy old radiation leaking recreational nukes that he bought from the mcdonalds private military

sensless regulations and jewish law monopoly just fuck over everyone

You sure as hell can't be white if you make a mistake as fundamental as that.

European Healthcare works because it's a mix of public and private healthcare.
Even the private sector gets government aids and tax breaks.
The thing is, even the fees don't run into the thousands. Hell, a private dentist's visit costs me 120 euromonies, and I go twice a year. Dental surgery sets me back 240 euromonies. When I say private, I mean it. It's a studio set up in a modest villa in a quiet neighborhood. The guy is all but starving.
Oh sure, you have those 20-ish fancy medical centers scattered all over the US with the best healthcare in the world and the best physicians money can buy, too bad you can't afford them.
Then you have the remaining 20'000 where you and everyone else goes to which get shat on even by third-world clinics. And you still have to cough up tens of thousands of dollars out of your pocket.
But yeah, "from tomorrow onward, you can't jew your patients out anymore" won't work.

Well here in the UK it's been getting pretty bad as we've increasingly privatised.

The whole thing was defacto privatised back in 1990 with the internal market reforms.
Public purse still pays but now the government is a "procurer" not a "provider"
With all the various hospitals, trusts, surgeries, etc all managing their own budgets then buying and selling services from each other. Being awarded public money for various reasons. So hospitals get a block grant for providing A&E services for instance but need to source most of their income from GPs who receive money proportional to the number of patients on their books and make contractual arrangements with hospitals for services.

It's a huge mess designed to make it easier for US healthcare companies to muscle in. But that didn't happen much because it was still too difficult for them to make the kind of money they're used to. Even with massive public subsidy.

We need a renationalisation campaign followed by militarisation of healthcare.

Open bidding between hospitals.

If hospitals start having a 'price for service' list that's publicly available like a menu, the prices will drop like a rock.

Every hospital keeps their own prices secret, and no one knows how much they'll be charged until after the fact.

Open market competition will force them into competitive prices.

Not really.
For emergency care you're trapped by whoever is closest or best able to deal with you.

For specialist care you can often find yourself in a situation where you have two or three options in the country.
A lot of hospitals don't even bother providing many forms of treatment or surgery and just shuttle you elsewhere. Preferring to instead specialise.

In a particular area there's only going to be so many hospitals with urban hospitals being greater in number per square mile obviously but with a much larger population in their vicinity and much greater patient inflow.
So sure they may be cheaper but they probably won't have room for more patients.

And this is before we even touch on the rates of infection, injury and death for each hospital.

Although I still think hospitals aren't the answer, this practice can't hurt. It needs to be commonplace (enforced) in every industry. "Price as a trade secret" is the most Jewish thing since Jew came to jewtown, it needs to die. Hospitals would fight this with "humans are different" and such but we just need to see their billing to get averages. Transparency, transparency, transparency, all industries need something like a Monroney sticker both online and irl.

FUCKING THIS

Insurance is the cancer that jacks up prices. Insurance causes people to waste other people's money on useless procedures, while actual lifesaving shit gets delayed or refused when insurance operators try to defend themselves from this kind of abuse. The entire system gets bogged down in bureaucracy, doctors serve bureaucrats instead of patients. Since operators are under pressure from public opinion not to refuse any claims, while at the same time having to refuse some claims to stay solvent - they optimise their PR by prioritising patients who can be made happy cheaply. They choose to liberally pay to many cheap (read: healthy) patients, while harshly cutting what they can to few expensive (read: seriously ill) patients. It is in their best interest to shift money from ill subjects who need it to healthy pricks who waste doctors' time on trivial shit. This is how costs explode, due to skyrocketing demand for trivial shit with no corresponding increase in supply.

It is utterly irrelevant whether insurance is operated by competing private companies or an all-controlling government. Insurance is cancer in and of itself. It's a social ill that when widespread enough, hurts also people who choose not to insure themselves by causing prices to skyrocket.
While I wouldn't go as far as banning it outright, a nice 200% excise tax on insurance premiums should be in order. Bundling insurance with other contracts (e.g. jobs) should be banned completely.

I believe the group you have in mind is covered in "Socialists".

I remember this being a thing earlier in the 40s and 50s, healthcare lodges were set up to make it so you would put in maybe a dollar or so of your paycheck, and then later on you'd get a procedure of about a dollar, since everyone in town had the same lodge and thus the same doctor(s), there wasn't a whole lot of reason to make the prices go up or get really fucking retarded treatments
and then (((someone))) made it so the lodges needed licences to operate, and started to (((shut them down))), and the doctors were forced to get licensed or lose their way of life, and then were given incentives to not go back to lodges

The best way to fix healthcare is to fix who is allowed to use it and get rid of abusers.
Immediately disqualify:
This will take most HC abusers off the list.
If these things applied to everyone receiving govt aid we would be better off, more so if the following is added

Great vid. As someone who knows nothing about healthcare or medical welfare, it was pretty interesting.

Imagefagging is still namefagging.

I'm glad someone understands the difference. I'm disappointed you didn't comment on what I offered as a solution as it would create a medical welfare program separate from insurance. I agree that such a welfare program (even if implemented by government) would compete with the insurance companies, but for reasons other than what you state. Specifically, is that section of the market such a program as I suggest something that is profitable? The cost for insurance plans that cover the items that my program are prohibitively expensive for those that desire them. This suggests that insurers would be glad to be rid of that segment of the market.

The ACA needs to be completely dismantled. That is the opportunity to put a new program in place. Other posters have correctly stated that the insurance companies were responsible for the ACA’s writing, with my addition that the insurers expected to make more money through it by forcing citizens into paying.

Your assertion that medical welfare and health insurance cannot coexist is absurd. The insurance would be forced to operate differently from how it does today, on a different scale, targeting a smaller segment of the market. More importantly, hospitals would be more profitable under a system as I suggest because there would be the guarantee that they will be paid for every patient. You should know how bad it is for hospitals under the current system if you do what you claim.

Get a load of this faggot.

Remove trademarks on medicines.
Aka, nobody can intellectually own medicine recipes and whatnot.

This too. And remove the ridiculous requirements to introduce new drugs to the market. Just clearly labeling shit as not widely tested should be enough.

Look every single first world country on earth has universal healthcare except America. Isnt that embarrassing as shit? Just get it already but ok I'll contend that with all the niggers and spics weighing down your system youll probably.. like california.. ok nvm

d8dd05 here, and yes you're right in your declension of how the hierarchy has been set up. It results in a Catch-22 due to how ingrained insurance is into the financial sector. Like I said, insurance is a tool of finance just like a mortgage or investment is a tool of finance. They all function on some kind of risk-reward, or risk transfer, or indemnity principles. They're not hard principles to understand, but they are easy principles to fuck up and break - like the ACA tried to do.

At its core, the ACA tried to turn insurance into medical welfare, and exactly what anyone with a modicum of experience in the field would have predicted happened: the carriers pushed the cost of those plans onto all other existing insureds and made record profits. They're still making record profits. Premiums will NEVER go back to pre-ACA levels. That was just a landmark opportunity to hike, and they did it all legally with the only real consequence being Obama scolding them a little and A LOT of insureds getting pissed. But not like they could drop coverage, lol….

…They made that illegal. TheRideNeverEnds.jpg

I mostly post on Vidme now. I haven't made anything political for a while, but I do know a lot about insurance(s) of all kinds. I figured I would try to share. Again, the main point is Insurance and Medical Welfare are two very, very different things.

You're talking about ?

I could go through each point and talk about them, but let me just skip to the end rather than get into a bunch of detail that might require further explanation. Some of this is summarized for brevity:

What would be fully inline with NatSoc is if the government owned the entirety of the medical sector, or at the very least, was the primary payer of healthcare claims. Consider that right now, the government pays (very roughly) about 50% of all medical expenses (kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}).

The government controls its costs by dictating to the provider what they will pay for a given medical good / service. This is government-side price fixing for goods / services. Now consider if the government was the sole payer of healthcare claims (and they almost got this with the ACA indirectly) they would dictate the price of nearly every medical good or service within the entire economy.

At this point, any provider (Hospital, Doc, etc) is a de-facto employee of the government, since the government controls the prices of all (or the majority) of their goods and services. As it exists right now, the private sector pays about 55-60% of healthcare claims (see link above under "employer" or "other"). Private parties negotiate whatever they want to pay for goods and services. Sometimes this is vastly more than the government would pay by thousands of percent. Sometimes it is less, but not as often. *Typically* private plans are more lucrative for providers.

Point to this being, for a "Nat Soc" solution to healthcare, you would again need to have government takeover of the medical economy. The way I point out (becoming the primary or sole payer of healthcare claims and dictating prices through force of law OR just being the majority payer and having unfair bargaining power) is basically a "soft" takeover, but it's a takeover nonetheless. Consider that people at the private commercial carriers are very, very aware of this, and hence it is why they took the steps they did around the ACA.

That's like being embarrassed for being the only straight man in a room full of faggots.

underrated post

remove all illegal aliens, no welfare, no ss, no sweet heart deal health care plan for congresss, sale health care across state lines, no government min-(((max))) care pricing where health industry always charges the max since there is no welfare/ss anymore.

Repeal it. Don't replace it.

And do this:
Insurance companies make their money by jewing as much money out of their customers as possible, then trying to jew out of every claim the hospital or clinic sends them. This causes hospitals to hammer their patients with the costs, and those costs are jacked up in an attempt to get the insurance company to pay what they should have on the two claims they rejected last week.

Read your two posts and I learned a lot!

I think our system is pretty good. We have private health options, like private hospitals and insurance and all that, but we get taxed for healthcare and this provides the public with free hospital treatment. I myself have ended up in the ICU several times and received excellent care. It's not perfect, and waiting times are doubtless shorter at private places, but knowing that I can receive life saving medical treatment including ambulance rides at no direct cost is pretty comforting. It does also cover non-immediate procedures, though to repair a minor tendon injury in my wrist I did have to wait a full month. I also get regular appointments with a neurologist without having to pay. Most medication is also subsidised and costs around $6AUD regardless of what it is.

In America, is it actually true that people sometimes have to pay into the thousands for a broken bone? Personally I think healthcare is a great way to spend tax dollars, because it's saved my life and countless others. But Americans seem to really resent this notion - what do you guys think about that?

I think that the US is ~60 white

Because most people don't understand economics and the government is lobbied by private healthcare companies.

Let me solve this for you Holla Forums. Firstly, the problem with a capitalistic free market boils down to three things:

1) THE RELATIVE COST OF LABOUR INTENSIVE WORK ALWAYS INCREASES WITH ECONOMIC GROWTH.

In other words because many jobs in healthcare are very hard to automate, the cost of employing all those nurses and doctors goes up relatively when the rest of the economy is growing from labour-saving technology. Therefore the price of healthcare will always rise above the average growth rate of the economy, to the point where the very rich are the only ones able to afford it.

2) HEALTH IS A PUBLIC GOOD.

A public good is one everyone in society benefits from whether they knowingly use it or not, such as streetlamps or defence. The health of your fellow man affects you. If your builder, teacher or client dies, that's a cost to you. In an ideal society everyone would have a very high level of health, which is what the health system should incentivize/achieve- it is a national resource. People who knowingly reduce this national resource by getting obese/smoking/doing drugs etc should be disincentivized by having their right to taxpayer funded healthcare taken away. .

3) PRIVATE HEALTH COMPANIES ARE INCENTIVISED TO SELL DRUGS

This one doesn't need much explanation. The more drugs/treatment they sell, the higher their profits. Hence, 1/3rd of the American population on some kind of medication. On the other hand a public health service is incentivized by its budget to save money/medicine for those who need it most.

No, it's socialism. National socialism. A wise man knows his health is his most valuable possession. A wise nation knows the same.

THE SOLUTION

>Taxpayer funded free healthcare for all citizens In a homogeneous NatSoc nation with a labour backed currency.
This stops problem 1 as the price of labour can't rise relative to the price of labour.

No degenerates/gluttons to be picked up by our tax money because they can't stop binging on pleasure. Let them change or die of the heart diseases they chose.

This would massively reduce the costs of healthcare and the size of the industry as a whole. It would become mostly an emergency/injury service.