Organizing against Trump

Liberals are right-wingers. Never lose sight of that.

meh. I don't really agree with that, liberals are centre left to me.

For what? Against the democratic process? Grow up.

Right, and if it's Holla Forumsyps are known for two things, it's that they keep their promises and accomplish a whole lot :^)

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Pretty stupid thing to say, since angry workers gathering in the streets to protest against something like capitalism, rather than trump, would be good. So "shouty shouty in the street" is pretty fucking important.

I think what you meant to say is
"Stupid liberal, not only are you a willing backer of bourgeois 'democracy', and only feel burned by it this time since this particular candidate that was elected hurt your feelings by saying something rude, but you still don't realise that no matter who was 'elected' you would be getting screwed over. Just because Hillary is a woman and pretends to be for gay rights or whatever, doesn't mean that the population of this planet would ever be anything other than slaves to the capitalist class if she were elected.

Where are the weapons distributed and what targets are assigned to the Communist squads …

Oh wait. You mean the other kind of Left.

Read a goddamn book.

pick one.

ftfy

Is Holla Forums being infiltrated by Holla Forums or something? Are people really so fucking deluded they would rather stick it with an "accelerationist" candidate than join a socialist group and protest?

I guess the myth about Holla Forums was always true.

Rise up, to the streets, Comrades!

Get the fuck out to /r/FullCommunism where you belong, and don't ever come back.

North Korea is the last grasp of true Soviet socialism and rejection of bourgeois politics in the world. Cuba has been swayed by the kind words of the USA, Putin always supported capitalism and Xi Jinping hates socialism.

Yfw the last remnants of TRUE socialism are blown out across the world

At least be subltle.

Yes. Holla Forumsyps are running around like a bunch of headless chicken.

I will find you, and I will kill you.

Juche has nothing to do with ML.

lmao at least wait until he does something worth protesting

dumb libs

Do not resist the great works of Marxism-Leninism-Juche!

Even China has it's "Five Great Teachers".

Wroking with the system you half heartedly criticize when appropriate with no clear ideology than the Bush years, Rush Limbaugh, and a Reagan voter captured in time blended into a kind of elixir.

This is good shit

What promises did you keep? Trump getting elected?

That's about it. You aren't going to enjoy what he does any more than you would enjoy Hillary.

America doesn't have any socialist group.
All the groups in the OP are liberal idpol groups.

Juche has everything to do with stalinism.

Protesting about Hillary not getting elected is for idiots, but surely everyone here can understand that the energy from this liberal defeat can be turned into questioning the system. All of leftypol should be talking to their idiot liberal acquaintances about how trump appealed to the working class on some levels, and how class politics are extremely important and far affect our lives far more than 'identity politics', even for so called minorities.

ew

Oh, we're going to organize, right, but on that way.
The bucko purge starts now.

Is English(…French) your second language comrade? You would drop the 'ie' on the end of 'bourgeois' here since the following word 'liberals' is enough to indicate that it is a group you are talking about.

Bourgeois liberals.

If you wanted to add another description to your group; 'fags', you would drop the 's' from liberals for the same reason.

Bourgeois liberal fags.

Give them some time.

for what? more pot-smoking and whining on twitter?

Thx now teach me how to date qts

Something we cannot afford, it is called accelerationism you know

Will we ever get a source on the original image for this?

Reading some actual leftist theoriy and join us on our side.

man we can wait a little bit.

also stop posting that degenerated anime of yours I don't post my autistic taste here.

Pfff… HAHAHAHA!

liberals don't read leftist theory

Do you want State-sanctioned Death Squads? Because that's how you get State-sanctioned Death Squads.

Man I wish you guys were half as enthusiastic about potentially recruiting angry soc-dems as you were Holla Forums. But hey, I'm sure those Nazis are bound to come round any day now!

OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT TO STAND OUTSIDE YELLING JUST TO SEE NOTHING ACTUALLY CHANGE

Let me take pics for my RADICAL™ BLOG

Can American fags print propaganda and go there to give it to these ppl ?

plz ?

Holla Forums you should be celebrating, take a day off falseflagging here will you

Liberals pls leave. Come to this thread for real organizing: 8ch.net/leftypol/res/1035682.html

We are fucked.

You can't beat idpol with idpol. imo we should be targeting Trump supporters to spread class consciousness. After Trump eventually "sells out" they'll become disillusioned with the system again and eager to find alternatives. Just try to make sure those alternatives aren't a more radical alt-right.

Can an artfag edit the third pic? I like the message but in its current state it just doesn't look like good poster material.

Read this book tbh

dialectics doesn't work like that, you know that right? "god" won't accelerate shit. you are going to have to seriously work on this. organize everyday, educate people in every opportunity you get, this is how it works. "trump will make everything so bad that, people are going to feel so dominated so they will rise up when there is no other option left" no, this is bullshit. this is metaphysics at its best. if you let things untouched people will get assimilated faster than you think, those who won't get assimilated will be silenced. stop being spooky, edgy fucks and get to work. if you don't like these kind of gatherings (i can understand that, i think i wouldn't join this event neither but i wouldn't shit on it just for the sake of saltiness) organize your own. and remember that these are the people you must win over. stop categorizing people like a teenage purist. being a edgy fuck and "not liking anything in front of your laptop" days are over. If these are your true thoughts and not Holla Forums roleplay, you guys in burgerland are in deep deep shit. remember, you are not alone, never feel powerless. we will always support you with our fight in europe. our destiny is much more connected now then it was ever before. don't let Holla Forums get into your minds that easily.

🍀🍀🍀McAlevey🍀🍀🍀

Shame most of you hate guns, isn't it?

Pick one.

not a globalist

not a globalist

not a globalist

not a globalist

Nigger are you completely out of your mind?

Who do you think is more receptive to the idea of socialism, these people protesting, or trump voters.

If you answer the latter then you're a fucking retard.

what is wrong with this image you posted? what are you saying? are they not related with capitalism or do you say "racism, sexism, inequality" doesn't exist? sooo if you say they are not related with capitalism your are the true idpol here. if you think they don't exist and it's just a SJW meme you are a dumb fuck. maybe you are so fucking confused over meymeys that, you shit on everything that says "racism sexism inequalty"?

stop lurking chans and read a book kiddo. you became a stupid reactionary.

Pick one

WEW

Shouldn't you be nursing a hangover by now?

Actually, trump voters (2-3 years down the line) will be quite receptive.

As for protesters - they aren't protesting against Capitalism. They simply don't like one specific Capitalist that will be oppressing them. They want another Capitalist.

youtube.com/watch?v=TmNyzvH7H3c
reminder that this is what they do for activism and what their membership is comprised of

I'm biased from personal experience, but bourgeois liberals turned ""socialist"" are entirely useless when it comes to actually building socialism. They'll continue to be fixated on idpol and won't get anything done. See Reddit, RevLeft, etc.

On the other hand, Trump gathered a lot of support because of his insistence to bring manufacturing jobs back to America. When Trump inevitably fails to improve anything for them I do think they can be brought to class consciousness, if it's worded right. They're still idpolers of course, but not frothing at the mouth with impotent rage idpolers like liberals or ex-liberals tend to be.

not even once.

I'm sorry but I couldn't get past this part.

You can't end racism, sexism and inequality in a capitalist system. They are not simply related with capitalism they are created and validated by capitalism. Fighting against it instead of fighting the class war to overthrow the capitalist system (that would end racism, sexism and inequality) is a waste of time.
If you don't realize this then maybe you should go back to reddit and stay there.

We are not in a battle against Capitalism, we are in a struggle in which there is no clear victory point. You won't defeat Capitalism in one fell swoop, that's just a fact. Thus, we have to fight aspects of Capitalist society like racism, sexism, etc.That's not to say that we should only focus on "idpol" issues, rather we should focus on both "idpol" issues and class issues, because it isn't an either or thing.

You really think sexism and other forms of inequality will just evaporate the moment capitalism is gone? Two things:
1. Those things are used by porky directly to control the masses, so you have to confront them directly instead of going "nah, they're just symptoms, no reason to talk about them". Poverty, too, is a symptom of capitalism. Do you think saying "fight against poverty" makes you a bad leftist or something as well?
2. The reason people fall into idpol is because stuff like racism, sexism etc. are real things that they face, and if you don't confront those problems women and minorities will just abandon you for the idpolers. Instead you need to explain in your propaganda that you need socialist organizations in order to fight these problems. Otherwise you're just leaving the ground open for idpolers to step in and take over.

kek, no way

this. I hope you are an active comrade irl.

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Yes, because any form of opression would be seen as wrong. Women and minorities won't abandon us because we treat them as human beings, not as fucking tokens like libshits do.

I don't give a fuck if you're black. You are human, so stop being a little bitch thinking that your skin colour grants extra opression points, because it doesn't.

No. I really believe that fighting inequalities within capitalism doesn't do anything.

We aren't lmao. It's a struggle, not a battle. A struggle is a constant uphill battle without a clear victory point.

Trump voters are overwhelmingly the same people that voted for Reagan, Bush, Gingrich, Dole, Bush again, McCain and Romney. They've voted consistently for reactionary candidates that have fucked them over time and time again (not to say that democrat voters haven't), why would they be any different under Trump? To say that these people would become more receptive to left ideas in the near future is far fetched, to say that they will be more receptive then those already on the soft left is fantasy.

You say that those protestors aren't protesting against capitalism, ignoring the fact that some of these protests are being organised by anarchists and socialists, but are they protesting in favour of Clinton? Are there banners saying "#I'm still with her!" are they demanding a re-count? No, they're just expressing their anger at Trump being president. Meanwhile Trump voters are still grinning from ear to ear eagerly awaiting for their porky god emperor to make America great again. To say the former believes in capitalism more so than the latter is a ridiculous assertion, one that you haven't even attempted to back up.

Check out the Liberal outlets, they've figured out how they fucked up pretty quickly and all they can talk about is how they would've won if Bernie Sanders was the candidate and how they need to take over the democrat party. They're already moving toward a big shift in consciousness.

Fuck off. For long enough we've believed this kind of discourse, that fighting against Sexism was as important as fighting against Capitalism. Look where it has got us. Trump is the President of the USA. Everyday is a historical low for union membership. Real wages have done nothing but shrinking since the apparition of the modern left in the last 60's. You've fucked up, all of this is your fault. Your only option now is to rally behind us, because we are the one who stand.

I'm not black, I don't understand why you feel the need to be so pissy about it. If you think talking about racism at all is giving black people special treatment then I'm sorry but you're just not making a convincing case. People will abandon you if you stop talking about issues that are relevant to them. If you tell people struggling with bank evictions that they just need to shut up because there'll be no bank evictions under communism, you're gonna sound like an ass. Same as if you just tell people to stop worrying about racism because it will disappear after the revolution. You can't agitate for revolution unless you show you're pushing for measures that will improve the lives of the working class, and fighting against racism is part of that. You can't just shout 'revolution, revolution' and expect one to happen, you have to appeal to the problems workers face, be those housing or healthcare or employment or racism or sexism problems.

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Because the left focused on "idpol?" I fail to see the connection. I live in a rustbelt state, and almost every single Trump supporter isn't supporting him because of the SJWs, they're supporting him because their job got shipped to Mexico because of NAFTA.

No it isn't, unions were even weaker in the 1800s. Union membership boomed during the great depression and has been going down ever since because things, on the surface, appear to be getting better. Aside from that,

I hate to be that guy, but they haven't been. First of all, productivity is aggregated into an average number of productivity for the whole economy. This however is extremely misleading, because some sectors that are highly capital oriented (technology) have absolutely exploded in productivity, while sectors like fast food, have stag anted productivity wise. What's more, productivity is increased by influxes of imports and increased rates of capital depreciation (a Mac will depreciate faster than an industrial paint mixer.) What's more, the price deflator used her is CPI, but CPI has several issues that tend to depress real compensation, using the implicit price deflator is a much better way to deflate prices. Moreover, his compensation numbers leave are 1. Aggregated 2. Don't include benefits. It's very very misleading to say wages have stagnated, it's arguably just dead wrong.

Do you think that there weren't problems like this back before the New Left? You'd have to be delusional to believe that. Stay mad faggot.

Wew, lots of typos in the thing about wage stagnation. It's still readable though. It was something I typed up awhile ago in response to some Bernie fag talking about wage stagnation graph.

Oh, but we do talk about Racism. In case you haven't noticed, on of our Internet neighbour, which is several times as populated as we are, comes regularly in here to spam this board of ours with "race realist science", and yet somehow this horrible class-reductionist board takes the time to write walls and walls of text just to defend the statistical equality of races. Meanwhile, on the other side, it's the modern left with an accepted discourse of "white people are muh privileged and therefore it's okay to bash them because normalizing racism is totally okay too". You don't talk about racism. You talk racism.
We're the one who defend non-segregated unions, while the neo-puritan racist left will soon start proposing to segregate them (a process already begun). It's not that we tell people not to worry about racism, it's that we're fed up with placing one particular issue of the Capitalist system ahead of the broader class struggle and everyday.

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I hope you guys realized what just happened.

All 'victories' in the name of 'social justice' during the last few years are now down the drain because they were put over the real economical and systemical aims that would've been in the real interest of the working class.

I hope you feel really smug that you almost showed these stupid, uneducated rednecks right? That 's all that counts right?

woah i forgot half a paragraph. I'm still hungover don't judge me.

No it isn't, unions were even weaker in the 1800s. Union membership boomed during the great depression and has been going down ever since because things, on the surface, appear to be getting better. Aside from that, this is pretty pointless. Unions tend to just be middle men between the capitalists and workers.I fail to see how this is important.

We can only hope that is true.

They will be much poorer than they were before, having even less hope than before.

"Soft Left" (SJW/SocDem) believe that they have solution that will work.

On the other hand, former Trumpets will have no such solution - after Trump fails to deliver.

Which is irrelevant. They aren't demanding to abolish current state of affairs, nor do they offer anything in exchange.

Nobody says this. Not today. But - see above - they will lose faith in their lord and saviour quite soon.

Exactly. They have a fake solution they will attempt to use.

Are you talking about the early-to-mid nineteenth century when socialism just being theorised? Unions did some pretty incredible, earth-shaking shit in the latter portion of the nineteenth century.

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A weak left creates a strong right.
Stupid as fuck argument, if an argument at all. First of all I'm not even sure unions were actually weaker when they had the power to force the Bourgeois government to pass certain laws, and even then I'm obviously talking about the steady decline observed in union membership for the past 50 years.

Despite all of the above which is quite cute, inflation-adjusted prices show that wages have indeed shrunk, no matter how productivity has evolved.

They weren't.

Well that wasn't our fault, we didn't back up idpol over everything because "let's focus on eliminating the effects of Capitalism maybe then later we can focus on Capitalism itself".

when a niqqa

And even with a lower membership rate (which isn't an indicator of support when talking about periods in which being a member of an union could get you to prison anyway), they did waaaaay more things that anyone in the post '68 world could have done. When will you accept that you have caused Trump's victory?

How are they not exactly that?

Its funny when you guys always try to play the side of the "intellectual" and Holla Forums the side of the barbarian Nazis ready to start a revolt and then when you're on the losing side you start organizing these protests.

Protests wont do anything. You'll either display your desire to undermine democracy, something that even the most corrupt of the elite holds sacred to the success of the United States of America. Or you'll look like cornered crybabies because the majority already chose whom they wanted and protests are not going to change anything.

Trump is going to cuck you guys so hard it's going to be hilarious.

Its all well and good arguing against literal Nazism, but what I think the other poster is getting at is what is the left doing to demonstrate it can end job discrimination, police racism and so on?

1) We're not organizing these protests, it's just that libshits are Reddit are having meltdowns and extra power trips so we've got a couple of them in here as a consequence
2) Trump lost the popular vote
3) A good amount of his supporters voted it as a perceived lesser evil
4) with a turnout of ~55%, that'd make his "majority" about a quarter of the adult American population

Ugh, I really don't want things to turn violent but with Holla Forumsyps like this I think it might be inevitable.

Holla Forumsys Trump had 60% disapproval ratings. If you guys start violence with anti-trump protesters you are going to awaken a beast and have way more people down your throat than you got people to counter with.

Nothing, because the left is currently entrenched in fighting these issues in the worst possible manner. We, the new old left, as a community, are several orders of magnitude smaller so organizing anything is pretty much impossible right now.

Right, and that's why intersectionality is god tier.

See

No they haven't lmao.

LMAO. Open up your fucking textbook lad, some of the things you mentioned were happening back then.

Black Panther Party don't real. Yeah, nobody here is saying that you're going to change Capitalism and make it into a non racist and exploitative system. Capitalism requires these things to thrive, which is why they need to be combated.

Do you think that leftists before the New Left didn't focus on "idpol" issues? Feminism was very common within the left beforehand, Engels was a Feminist.

When you admit that you're a class reductionist faggot

It really is pathetically hilarious how delusional these faggots are.

Ok, impotent rage man. Society respects NAMBLA more than you guys. With every weak protest you guys just look worse in the public's eye.

Continue being a degenerate leftist and having sex with boys you pathetic faggot.

Trips for truth. Welp this board really is as cucked and pathetic as we leftie faggots are in real life!

Yes, look at where it has got us. It has created a self-fulfilling prophecy by alienating those who weren't "oppressed enough" and now the far right is thriving.

Well they didn't. They most certainly talked about these things, and they indeed solved as much as they could of them. In the meanwhile, your new left has accomplished nothing besides increasing racism from white people thanks to "god-tier intersectionalism".
It wasn't the same Feminism, and saying otherwise would be extremely dishonest.

Kill yourself, I'm not the one who's patronising black people, women, trans people, etc. and acting as if I'm some kind of supreme gentleman saviour.

The ones of your kind will be the first to go. You still have time for redemption, but you're running out of it. I mean, you're the major current within the New Left.
HAS IT NEVER OCCURRED TO YOU THAT THE LAMENTABLE STATE OF AFFAIRS OF THE ANTI-CAPITALIST MOVEMENT MIGHT BE THE LEFT'S OWN FAULT FOR ACTING AS YOU ARE ACTING NOW? You haven't accomplished a single shit against Racism besides inciting white kids to self-harm, not a single damn thing against Sexism besides reinforcing Sexist stereotypes, not a single damn thing against transgender oppression besides creating more stigma against them due to your retarded actions.

Go back to GamerGate and bitch about how you don't have no qt gf cause gays and brown people had the audacity to complain about white supremacy.

The DNC killed off or co-oped every leftist movement going back to the 40's into a neutered pro corporate version with porky power and money.

Did you know the famous march on Washington where Martin Luther King gave his porky friendly "I have a Dream" speech was actually planned on being a sit in on Washington DC.

They were originally going to block every street and sit in every building in DC until a bill with waaaay more teeth then the civil rights act had was passed.

JFK cucked MLK into just having a non disruptive march instead. Malcomn X was pissed about this.

That's just one of MANY examples. The collapse of the DNC has been a loooong time coming.

Both have the same level of effectiveness. Come talk when you actually want revolution.

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Strawman.

And you're the very product of that, the results of decades of COINTELPRO and subversion of the old, functioning ideas that were replaced with a new way to divide people anything but class. As a result of that the rest of your post is garbage.

Don't use this as opportunity to join liberals in whining, use it as opportunity to go and convert them to our way of thinking. Infiltrate and assimilate.

This. Look at how we've already got Reddit liberals in here defending idpol.

Erm, do you even know what intersectionality is?

Who mentioned college liberals? You wanted a post 68 group that did a lot for workers and minority communities? There you go.

You're right, to an extent. First Wave Feminism and the Feminism before it was generally very racist. They only wanted rights for white women. This sentiment still existed, albeit to a lesser extent, in the second wave. Marxist Feminism has been better with these issues, but early Marxist Feminism wasn't perfect. The dominant school of thought within Feminism is intersectionality, which works to minimize racism, homophobia, etc. White Feminists, TERFs, and exclusionary feminists are in the minority, both in the academic and activist side of Feminism.

wew lad

HAS IT NEVER OCCURRED TO YOU THAT THE LAMENTABLE STATE OF AFFAIRS OF THE ANTI-CAPITALIST MOVEMENT MIGHT BE THE LEFT'S OWN FAULT FOR ACTING AS YOU ARE ACTING NOW? You haven't accomplished a single shit against Racism besides inciting white kids to self-harm, not a single damn thing against Sexism besides reinforcing Sexist stereotypes, not a single damn thing against transgender oppression besides creating more stigma against them due to your retarded actions.

kek'd tbh

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When Trump orders a drone strike it will be wrong. When Trump invades a place it will wrong. We might even get a peace movement again.

We need to start forming a coherent and non-sectarian left ideology that we can start popularizing to liberals and conservatives each, otherwise we're still protesting on the liberal "Trump is a meanie" terms.

Stuff like this is a good starting point but we need to expand on it more and make easily accessible to the general population.

The general population doesn't like collectivist ideology because it is antithetical to human nature.

COINTELPRO destroyed the Black Panthers, the Black Power party you seemed so triggered by.
You obviously know nothing of their history since they worked with white activist groups and were attempting to form a Rainbow coalition that included all races.

It's bigots like you that keep proletariat divided. You continue to insist racism and sexism aren't forms of material oppression from one prole onto another.

Then when white people makes some gains against capitalist exploitation ==WITHOUT FUCKING FAIL== porky uses the minorities that white people excluded as strikebreakers.

Yet you blame the minorities for complaining about this ==INSTEAD OF WHITE PEOPLE THAT EITHER IMPLICITLY OR EXPLICITLY SUPPORT IT==

I'm so sure your stupid brand of economic determinism has got proles of all strips flocking to you.

Can we please wordfilter human nature to child sexuality?

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That being socialism, or at the very least the candidate who called himself a socialist.

Most of them will just blame the jews or some shit, or they wont react at all to his failures like they have done with every republican president for the past fifty or so years.

Yeah the socialist and anarchist groups organising protest marches about relevant current affairs tapping into peoples anger are useless because anyone who chants something other than "smash capitalism now" is accomplishing nothing right? fucking tankie autism up in here

>Nobody says this. Not today. But - see above - they will lose faith in their lord and saviour quite soon.

You're asserting that Trump voting republicans are going to become class conscious in the next two to three years, despite having shown not even a whisper of it in the last fifty years, and that people largely already describing themselves as socialist and anarchist wont. That's just nonsense.

Bernie Sanders was never going to overthrow capitalism, but politically he was an unprecedented step in the right direction. If the lesson learned from this election by liberals, by that I mean the rank and file, is that it was sanders policies that the democrats needed all along and what they will need in the future then there is huge potential for the democrat party to be turned into a social democratic party. This would be a massive step towards class consciousness by shifting American politics well over to the left.

If nothing else, the working class rallying round a radical sounding reformist, then having their illusions shattered by a confrontation with the capitalist political establishment is and always has been a very important learning process for the working class that they must always go through in the course of the struggle in order to reach the correct conclusions.

I think the mistake you're making is thinking that class consciousness is something that just happens overnight or that people become fully conscious Marxists completely of their own accord simply in response to events, they don't. At least not en masse. People don't just turn on the TV, hear that another recession is around the corners and go "Oh wow, Marx was right all along!". The people in the MAGA hats are not all of a sudden going to spontaneously realise the need to overthrow capitalism when Trump fucks up the economy or else they would have done so years ago.

Class consciousness is something that happens in the course of a struggle with the help and guidance of socialists and their organisations, in electoral politics, in people communities and in the workplaces. People get mad at the system, they vote for a different candidate than last time, like how people voted for Obama and Hollande, it doesn't work, they try a different route, they stage protests, occupations and riots a la OWS, they become attracted to the more concrete idea of socialism, they support Sanders and Corbyn, these candidates run into the brick wall that is their respective capitalist political classes and the working class movement sees the need for a even higher form of struggle and so on and so forth in this manner until they attain the fully realised class consciousness of revolutionary socialism. It is only through struggle that the whole mass of the working class as opposed to individuals will attain consciousness, it will not just *POOF* into existence fully formed in the minds of the most reactionary sections of the working class who are not involved, and have no current interest in getting involved in any king of left struggle or movement, regardless of their circumstances.

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The general public believes what they have been trained to believe, yes, this is no surprise.

Just as you have been trained to believe in communist fantasies of a perfect benevolent state when every communist attempt has been a brutal dictatorship forcing collectivism on an unwilling populace. You are just trading one form of human exploitation for another and prettying it up with lofty ideas.

You guys aren't going to get anywhere without intersectionality.

Proles shit on each along race, sex and sexuality line. Think of it as a form of tribalism if that helps.

That needs to be address, instead of the insufferable "You can't be mad at that cause were ALL proles" line leftist are so famous for.

WEW LAD

i like the idea but this movement will fail because we have no leaders.
second, like it or not Trump got elected fair and square.
millions of people voted for him.

if you want to have a decent shot at taking him down you should wait few months for his popularity and hip to drop and have a go.

i don't like Trump anymore than you do, but for now there isn't much we can do beside waiting

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Failed attempt to elitism =/= argument

And has failed to do so.

not an argument
not an argument

Based on which post do you say that? Black Panthers were the Old Left

>Oppression from one prole to another
>I'm totally not dividing anyone
Not a single time have I blamed minorities for anything white upper class kids do. No, no, and I want this to be clear, I blame YOU, and the people like you, who are (or appear to be, which would actually be even worse) mostly white.

I will ignore the strawman of economic determinism here and focus on saying that the movements I admire have, in the past, accomplished great things, something your movement… has not.

t. person who has got Donald J. motherfucking Trump into the office by abusing of intersectionality

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I feel calling liberalism 'left' is wrong in this infographic

alright maybe not, doing stuff irl, but talking about it at least

Yes, what stateless communist utopia can you name? Where is the communist utopia where I can live how I wish to live without interference "for the good of the collective"?

Oh, right, you like to bitch about capitalisms evils, but communism is just peaches and cream.

I later went on to explain this lmao.

Right, the majority of Feminists now are Liberals. But you aren't getting anywhere without intersectionality because it's needed to build mass support. America isn't only made up of straight, white males.

As if there was an argument to respond to. All you did was have an autistic meltdown lmao.

Read a book, nigger.

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read

Your "in theory" shit doesn't do anything for me, and the process of creating your stateless communism always leads to brutal dictatorships.

DNC fucking over Bernie are who got Trump into office. Not "muh SJW's hurting the bigoted fees fees of poor proles."

Oh and for all the shade you're throwing at liberals and SJWs who the fuck voted for Trump in the first place.

It sure as fuck was cry baby liberals and SJWs. Oh that's right it was bigoted poor proles. Yeah the left can totally afford ignoring racism.

A lot of issues you are skipping over.
1. Lots of disenfranchised democrat voters voted for Trump this time around.
2. If the same voters who voted for Reagan voted for those other candidates, they would have all won by landslides or did not outright lose by a large margin.
3. Hillary lost because people were not given anything to vote for, they were only given something to vote against. She lost Michigan to Bernie, so they should've knew that she would have lost it to Trump. Bernie would've stomped Trump there and in Wisconsin.
4. Neoliberals are NOT reactionaries.
5. You can't blame people voting for a candidate that makes them believe that there is even a tiny bit of hope for the future when both of the options they have are total shit and will fuck them over anyways.

Imperial Japan was communist now?

I used nuke in place of bombing, this was not to imply that imperial Japan was communist. if you like we could start listing countries where all sorts of labor movements were violently suppressed by armed forces.

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Trump didn't win because of racism. You aren't campaigning for Hillary anymore, the racism angle isn't going to work. Trump won for the same reason that Obama won. They both pretended to be outside the establishment to their disenfranchised half of the electorate while the other half was high on the past 8 years of their power, rinse repeat.

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None of those countries were stateless communist utopias, and I bet those countries employed violent suppression of "dissidents" within their own borders too.

I wasn't trying to argue that Clinton wasn't a piece of shit who lost an election that was given to her on a silver platter, because that's exactly what she is and what she did.

None of us will deny that the majority of 20th century attempts failed at attaining a communist society, but much of the suppression within those borders stemmed from the very real threat of intervention by capitalist powers.

For the last time, intersectionality doesn't build mass support and has proven itself not to.
No, they're only the largest proletarian group, and intersectionality keeps telling them "their situation isn't that bad and they should stop complaining and start supporting class-cooperation within the frame of Feminism". Just imagine telling to white industrial unemployed workers from industrial areas about how the muh privilege given to them by their skin color means their situation is entirely their fault?
Will you go back to telling me what I do and what I don't or do you finally understand that your method for gaining mass support has only enabled the liberals to eat us while at the same time eroding our support?

Right. Take a look at pic related, by the way.

People who would have voted for Sanders, had Clinton not been the choice of intersectionality

I mean, Trump didn't even get many more votes than usual from the oh-so-evil white workers. Hillary, on the other hand, lost votes from the Black, female and Latino electorate.

And people support that intervention because communist ideals are antithetical to human nature. Not that I mean all communist ideals are, but some pretty major ones go completely against what makes humans happy. I am also not saying that capitalism makes people happy, or that people can't be happy in either system. What I am saying is

Why the fuck do you worship this specific system that was invented in the 19th fucking century, has never been successfully implemented, and keeps getting shilled to you?

I'm not a Nazi, or a capitalist, or a lolbertarian, or anything really. All these systems are shit and the same ones keep getting shilled and held up and fought over all with their flaws intact so each side has an Achilles Heel for the other side to exploit.

It is all a game keeping you weak and ineffectual.

kek, wrong again stormfag.

And as a proof, here you come, proving that no one has ever explained it to you.

Nature itself is not static, to say something is natural means that is has to be capable of changing.

We don't worship communism, we are concerned for the fate of humanity except for the egoists under capitalism. Poverty has gotten worse, the planet is facing extreme changes from human industry, and we're still facing endless wars that do nothing but concentrate wealth into fewer and fewer hands.

To say that it's all a game is just resigning yourself to apathy, and rolling into the ditch to die.

*under

Keep denying reality and being perpetually mystified why people do things. Oh, but of course your rationalizations will prevent any serious thought into this issue.

Why do you worship this guy? Just because he took credit for this ideaology you never want to admit the flaws of? Why do you treat him as a god who penned the perfect ideology for you to practice?

No you do not, because the flaws in his ideology that people do not like are never addressed or you basically tell people to choke it down anyway. Then you wonder why most people are violently opposed to communism.

What a tired defense. It's like the >communism >state defense earlier. It's nothing but deflection away from a real weakness with your ideology. Countries(states) hold the power in this world right now (visibly anyway, discounting shadowy shit) and yet you want to pretend your communist paradise will arise without the state step, which is the step people fucking hate.

Not how things work, guy, and part of why people oppose communism.

So do you have any actual arguments, or are you content to shout cold war platitudes over and over?

Holla Forumsacks don't represent the majority of those who voted trump. Also for the past fifty years they had nothing but neoliberal brainwashing from both candidates, rural areas in America were just as receptive to Bernie as they were to Trump.
These people are young naive liberals, this happens every time a republican gets into office, they are not doing anything you saying they are doing besides liberal activism. It does not mean real socialist shouldn't go to these events and recruit people, its just that America has no real Left, and it needs to be properly rebuilt before we are able to do anything.

I know you do but, I was more getting at that these working class people are just looking for scraps, they are way more interested in economic issues than you think. 75% of people in rural areas believe the economy isn't fair for instance.

People don't oppose Communism. A good amount of people do oppose the word in itself, now, they mostly agree with most of its principles if taken without a label. Then they proceed to believe it's something impossible to accomplish and we've got the state of things we're in.
Honestly, if you think people really want a strong leader to shut their mouths and build himself a giant mansion while they work 16 hours a day, you're kind of the deluded one.

You can deny it, but that's the truth of the matter. Human nature hasn't changed to the way you want it to be just because some 19th century elitist dreamed up a retarded collectivist fantasy.

You didn't make an argument, you just shouted a platitude and expected me to know what you inferred from it.

Such as what? People will agree with nice sounding things, sure, but the parts they don't agree with is what I am addressing. Such as forcing people to abide by your collectivist bullshit.

Because he wasn't a NEET retard. He had a job, he did work as a journalist for various News Papers in both America and Europe.

Because human nature isn't a critique dickweed. It's a buzzword. A catch all term to silence dissent because you don't want to bother correcting your misconception about leftism. If you wanna keep spewing pretentious drivel like "keep denying reality" to avoid having to make a developed argument that's fine by me. The fact that you haven't read any of Marx begs the question: which flaws?

Except they're already living in a semi-collectivist society and that's not the part that they don't like. That cooperation trumps competition is something even people of the likes of Rothbard acknowledge.

Journalists are propaganda parasites and have never been anything other. You are beyond saving if you actually believe the "news" has ever been anything but propaganda. So his job was being a propagandist, and continued to write propaganda when he penned his Manifesto.

If the topic is "what economic system humans should be shackled to" then human nature being against that is a critique, retard.

Maybe because you look at shit tier journalist. But I guess if you get to special snowflake define what qualifies as work, but I'm not going to argue with a sophist. The point is he wasn't a NEET - he had degrees in economics and philosophy and was chased out of countries for writing scathing pieces against the establishment.

Then show your grand, indubitable and scientific proof of human nature - whatever that means besides eating, sleeping and shitting. I'm waiting faggot.

There is a world of difference between cooperation and forced cooperation, which is what communism requires to even begin to form since any free element destroys it. Communism isn't going to be your utopia, it's going to be THX 1138 or 1984. Some version of a dystopia where people are treated like fucking disposable ants.

Also people are not happy now under partial socialism and the only reason they don't articulate that it is the socialism to blame is because they are continually misinformed by propaganda as to what is the cause of their displeasure. This isn't to say all their unhappiness is due to socialism/communistic ideas being applied, but it is a factor.

Ok fam, you're probably a lost case anyway.

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Do you even know what that means?

Historically that is wrong.

What do you mean by human nature, is there any scientific proof of your concept of human nature, or is just the McCarthy meme concept of human nature?

HAHAHA

What the fuck are you even "protesting" right now?

He's not even in power and Obama is right now drone striking in like a dozen nations.

just read a fucking book fam

No, I just know human fucking nature, and that manipulating people through lies is far more profitable than through the truth. You are just naive and believe journalisms platitudes about "free press" and "getting the truth to the people". All journalists that have ever exists were nothing but propagandists working for one group or another. No exceptions.

Which are nothing but paper and can be awarded out freely. Why do you worship a piece of paper purporting to acknowledge the knowledge of an individual that doesn't have to demonstrate any practical use?

What purpose would Marx have served in your communist utopia? Writing propaganda? Certainly not picking vegetables or working in a factory. He didn't even do those things ever despite pretending to know and care about the plight of the workers.

Here's a little hint into Marx's character for you: he was a hypocrite

Right, I want to pick my own food. Not what the communist collective decides. Most people feel the same way, and actively rebel against institutionalised food plans as early as school lunches. Your fix for this? "raise them so they don't know variety from birth and accept it" which is THX 1138 or 1984 tier bullshit.

Human nature is for men and women to pair up, have children, and form families which extend. Communist collective which wants to control the "population level" would go against this, and so do other ideologies. Feminism was invented for this, and I don't care to hear your pitiful denials of that.

Sexism. Sexism is ingrained in human nature. It takes a lifetime of propaganda to create a feminist. No sizable amount of feminists exist in human society until communists invented feminism and spread it through the educational system.

All of these are things forced on people against their nature. Just like you can teach a dog to do tricks that it naturally would not do and may find uncomfortable, and you do it ironically by using the dog's other natures against it.

Why do I bother with you guys in the first place though? You believe Marx penned the perfect ideology. Don't be surprised when you are violently opposed when trying to implement it though. I'm not going to live in a dystopian hellhole that forces me to live how the "collective" wills.

assmad Holla Forums spewing logical fallacies and pseudoscience naturism rubbish

you're too salty for someone who just 'won', chill out user :^)

I frequent Holla Forums, but I don't agree with everything there. I don't think Not Socialism is good either.

You're a liberal. You may not admit it, but you have no respect for authority, no respect for society, and no respect for tradition.

That makes you a liberal.

And liberal filth must be cleansed.

lol Holla Forumsluters, never change

Ha, commiecucks prove they aren't even human.

I'm not going to lie. I definitely lean more right than I do left, but I don't agree with everything Holla Forums. Such as Not Socialism, or Nazi masturbation fantasy shit.

It is funny how Holla Forums faggots such as yourself complain about idpol and yet engage in it so much.

You are a reactionary. Please read some books and stop going to Holla Forums.

Oh, fucking wow, you guys censor R.A.-C-E W.-A-R into Nazi Masturbation fantasy? So you guys don't believe in a state controlling things, but you employ petty word filters forcing your ideology on anyone posting here?

Communists are hypocrites.

I don't need you to tell me what I am or where not to go. This shithole isn't any better, and I've lurked it many times.

lol, just lol

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butthurt he got meme'd on

Word filters are easier than that to avoid. And world filters are actually the culmination of too much free speech, not the restricting of it. Lrn 2 dialectics.

Wow nice argument fagtron, you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.

You faggots want to meet and cry together?

The word filters are for humor you humorless mong.

Yeah and said rebuilding will be done building on top of the consciousness of these angry liberals

stay mad nazi faggot

As an ethnic Panjabi Brit who's a trade union, coop party and labour party member, I never asked for this.

So Trump is the reason you're going to get out onto the streets? So Hillary winning would have meant everything was ok?

i'd be glad to join u commies but im too lazy and ppl where i am (new england) dont give enough shits to rally against anything

Isn't PSL the tankie party that thinks China is a a socialist country?

Not only are Nazis deluded, they clearly have no sense of humour either.

No surprise coming from an ideology that proudly burns books written by cripples and believes Jewish bankers are trying to take over the world with communism.

It really does start with one person user.

It gets people excited and mobilized tbh. Especially if you can get the opposition to crush you.

Seriously. in the 60s and 70s people got mobilized to commit more daring forms of activism and more people were brought in by the students getting shot, protestors getting shot, the blatant FBI and CIA subversion of protesting and organizing.

I'm reading a book right now about the burglary of the FBI office that resulted in documents being obtained proving Hoover was running his own shadow government in the FBI doing whatever he pleased. The burglars were driven to do that because they knew that the FBI had agents invading local groups. They were fed up.

And lord knows Trump can't tolerate dissent. If people protest him widely enough, you think he won't crack down or reward people who crack down?

Either way, the democratic party as it is is done. They've gotta move at least into the area that Bernie represented.

Because the ones that don't lead to dictatorships are crushed or otherwise overthrown immediately.
See: the Paris Commune, Maoist China, the Bavarian Council Republic

ITT:
why revlefts, pauperists and accelerationists are fucking retarded

Just depressing.

The sad part is that the complaints about the elections being bullshit is 100% true, but they wouldn't say so if Shillary won, and the same people saying to "suck it up" would be screaming about globalist shills

The Democrats dug their own grave. Let them lie in it.

So, you must know quite a bit about human nature. What would you say are the fundamental traits of human nature? Not by listing examples, but by what ties them all together.

not to mention the vast majority of injuns were killed by diseases brought over by colonists. It is not like the colonists intentionally went out of their way to wipe out millions of tree niggers. We just had a better immune system, they couldn't handle the diseases, so they died, we prospered. Survival of the fittest my dude.

sorry to be such a downer but that chart is just as full of shit as most Holla Forums infographics.

Mass privatization, defense of private property and persecution of left-wing factions in Nazi politics, especially the Strass brothers.

You were right for the first few sentences, but you went full retard after that. Swaths of colonists died from disease and especially starvation because they didn't know how to live off of the new land.

And the pic is still correct because the natives were treated especially badly after the US became a recognized sovereign state.

Yes, the Nazi's were capitalist morons. Hitler privatized industry( including the railway and banks) and was tight with Henry Ford. Hitler even had socialist elements purged from the party.

Wrong again, even if they did ultimately get hit so hard because they weren't exposed to European diseases, it's well known that the settlers intentionally waged biological warfare. Before you respond going "nuh uh" please use google.

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everytime

Really makes you think

In that case, I shall post proof that human nature is a spook.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cX_L3DdElcU

m.youtube.com/watch?v=9yVJEoglgB8

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No one wants to force you to live how a collective wants to, socialism wants to eliminate private property, markets and commodity production. The fact that you think communism has anything to do with controlling the population level so I'm not going to respond to any part but this:

And the answer is being an economist. Rather than painstakingly try to pry away your delusions I'm just going to give you the first volume of capital to try and read. Have fun.

thanks for proving my point.

ur pic loli fag

is shit

Fuck off weeb

ALUNYA IS NOT A LOLI
that would be Rodina, Alunya is just short.

Yes, yes it is faggot.

What a fucking idiot

He not even part of the socialist alternative weeb, that just shitty video you found with a man whose a socialist.

As a member of the SAlt committee that organized the protest in NYC, (we got 10-15 thousand young people into the streets, fought the cops and won) it's pretty funny that you guys think we're liberals, and please don't bother turning up to any actions. You'd only embarrass the left, and we have enough nerds already.

Hey don't look at me, i didn't clam you guys were liberals at least.

This thread in a nutshell.

tbh Clinton is now irrelevant, so her shills are useless at worst and can be co-opted at best

fair enough. On an unrelated note, this protest had the most and hottest girls of any protest I ever went to.

based SAlt outside trump tower in NYC

They're complete fucking idpol liberals. Really on the same level as CPUSA.

the organisation calling for protests against Trump just after the election calls itself, in short, Salt

jesus fucking christ guys… can you make it more easy for Holla Forums?

socialistalternative.org/2015/11/02/identity-politics-struggle-oppression/

Socialist Alternative calls for people to go beyond idpol. They do this frequently and publicly.

We will be the SAlt in the wounds of the capitalists lol

the CPUSA called supporters to vote Clinton

it's really fucking bad
can SAlt really compete in being shittier than that?

Seriously, how many excuses does it take to finally admit that you're just passive larpers who wouldn't do shit if shit hits the fan?

twitter.com/Crisprtek/status/796597718751838208
#notmycomrade

please say me what injustice makes them protest and what do they want to accomplish

HOLY KEK

How many excuses does it take to finally admit that you're passive larpers that won't even conduct the 4th reich, now that the man that you vouched for is now President.

Not to mention in Cahoots with Da Jews, and has pretty much sold himself out to the ogligarchy while going back on his word on banning muslims? As well as selling himself out to the Ogligarchy that is America?

wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-back-pedals-on-banning-muslims-from-u-s-1467058774

archive.fo/fLoCy#selection-423.59-487.21

He also supports Israel BTW

youtube.com/watch?v=kEg8m3MZA8k

Sorry for repeating. Ogligarchy

He did not even state he is a pro-Trummp and yet you responded with a hissy fit.
Sabot cat posters have gotten so shit.

Is what he said.

Would they protest as hard against Shillary a.k.a. the messiah of corporations if she won?

Remember, a protest against Trump will be presented and perceived as a protest for Clinton.

You people disgust me.

Absolutely. People who are protesting already NOW, simply because Trump was elected, never saw it coming and are part of the status quo echo chamber.

Fuck them all, this whole thing is only the tantrum of Hillary supporters.

I wonder when the workers will actually rise up and start seizing the means of production will Holla Forums continue to sit around and go "pssht…theoryless libtards…action is idpol…let's wait for Trump to accelerate it enough until posadist aliens visit us…."

Right cause I'm sure that's just around the corner. STARBUCKS LIBERATION NAO!!

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don't be retarded

>liberal white whining
Yeah, no.

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Right but these 'protesters' supported Clinton, a proponent of the very system you claim they are standing against. You don't know what you're talking about. Fuck off.

Spot on. Fuck larpers.

:^)

What are the demands of these protesters? That Clinton be made President? How very progressive.

Wrong. They didn't revolt when Clinton cheated, they don't get my support nor solidarity when their feelings are hurt. Especially the white ones, because these are the people for whom nothing is going to change, yet they are the loudest.

Sexism (actual sexism, not, say, Trump-style sexual banter that nobody should care and, as evidenced by election results, hardly anybody does care about) etc. will just evaporate the moment coercive, hierarchical power relations are gone, yes. For pretty obvious reasons.

And I notice you speak of them as inequality, rather than discrimination. This is a dangerous misunderstanding of the problem. Inequality will never disappear - people are different, after all, and therefore not equal by definition. Trying to end inequality rather than injustice is either useless demagoguery (if you respect individual freedoms) or extremely dangerous demagoguery (if you don't).

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what a bunch of numale cucks

MAGA!!!!

All of you elitist hollywood celebrities who vowed to betray your country and leave, to abandon and shun those who you spent your careers milking for your posh lifestyles, we ask, nay, demand that you follow through on your claims to leave the country.

So all of you on the list below, we demand you leave. ASAP!!!

Amy (unfunny) schumer

Lena Dunham

Barbra Streisand

Bryan Cranston

Miley Cyrus

Amy Schumer

Jon Stewart

Cher

Chelsea Handler

Samuel L. Jackson

Whoopi Goldberg

Neve Campbell

Keegan-Michael Key

George Lopez

Ne-Yo

Rev. Al Sharpton

Raven-Symoné

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg

BUH-BYE.

Be assured, YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED.

Love, The Basket of Deplorables

#thelist

fitting

If we could somehow attack en masse these obnoxious white liberals as "whitesplainers" it would be pretty funny seeing them get a taste of their own medicine, considering they supported one of the biggest and most disastrous war hawks in American history.
What's depressing though is that there are some people on Holla Forums to whom even Jimmy Dore's criticism of liberal hypocrisy perfectly applies.

They're massive hypocrites and would quickly appropriate it for themselves. Hell, I think I've already heard it before.
Reddit faggots gonna fag.

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Did you expect Lena Dunham or Samuel L. Jackson to be browsing leftypol?

Have you even seen how leftist useful idiots have been acting? They're already violent, retard.

This tbh

why are you posting a pic of us?

wew there trying do this shit again

Says who u

Yet virtually all leftist parties across the world support strict gun laws. Really makes me think.

Can these smug cunt redditors just fuck off with their passive aggressive condescending tone, "I've lurked 10 minutes and picked up a few of the words" vocabulary and their love of puns, rhetorical questions and elipses?

Fuck off back to whichever hole you came from.

From the Aus section.

Well fucking done m8.

Cast Aoi page 136
g.e-hentai.org/s/8a65169f75/555516-136

Not difficult to find

t. feminist organisation posing as socialist

Have fun saving minorities from cyberbullies, SAlty.

Aren't these protests just going to be filled with harpies crying about le ebil white men?

Unfortunately, yes. It's quite pointless to go

Dis gon be good

Yes.

Look at their signs. Trump is an immoral bad no-no man.

meetup.blackmattersus.com/meetup/march-in-los-angeles-against-trump-saturday-10am/

What exactly is wrong with beating up pigs? Why stay as a sheep under a fascist regime?

How? Burning a few flags? Smashing up a few cars?

How is this in any way "violent"?

Protest for what? For Shillary? I'm happy you fags get him for shilling for that piece of shit.

wish i lived in a city so i could be out there protesting, not sitting here shitposting with you fags

Get the fuck out back to tumblr you piece of shit

wew

At first it was: If you protest against trump you're a Liberal
And now it's basically: If you hate or organizing against Trump you're nothing more then a Hillary supporter and you're just doing this for Hillary
with: Socialist Alternative are just liberal and not ture socialist like us
This fucking thread.
Fuck off Holla Forumsfags.

anything to keep from admitting that they're just lazy larpers

outta here

But that's true

If you don't suck trump cock and slurp cop cum and believe pacifism is a moral necessity but only for the left, then you're a liberal!
:^)

Is there any Left organizations outside of the US growing or planning to mobilize to react to the resurgence of Right Wing ideology in the west? I'm Canadian Trump's victory has made me furious and looking to organize, I think the Left needs to present a better alternative to the Working Class or Trump is just the begining of a dark time in history. Anyone in the GTA/Toronto who knows about any cool organizations? The Leftists at my school seem really ideological and cliquey, just Trotskyist and Maoist groups really. I'm cool with any Left org as long as they're not exclusively Leninist/Tankie. Anyone know any cool shit going down? Co-op building? Agitation groups?

Because trump is good right, and the state is good right, and either of those two things on their own were our enemies so as soon as they're merged they're, what, our hero?

/r/anarchism is already taking action

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That or it's faggot from a other boards shitting on the thread.

4u

Reposting this art cuz it's cool.

XD

I know, trump is making the cpst of windows and cars 10 time more, maybe we just organizing against him and not break windows and cars like some said out of nowhere, because that what there totally even tho said they were ;DDDD

because that what there were totally doing even tho no one said they were or were going too
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man I would literally dick this slut so fucking hard

the stimulator supported this kind of action
+ an action supported by trotskyites

nice argument kiddo's
doing "something" doesn't necessarily imply that what you are doing is useful for your cause.

can you even explain to me how the anti trump protests are counter hegemonic? :^) you didn't even use any argument at all

all of the anarchist action leads to nothing since you don't organize outside of nihilistic action.
Occupy + Nuit Debout + Indignados
all anarkiddies failures from lack of leadership and political organization to lead the people towards a common goal

thanks for those pics senpai :^)

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You're the one demanding people don't organize then using lack of organization as an excuse for why they shouldn't organize.

I kews right i;m the best argument personns

this

what?
I never said that, I'm saying that these kind of protests are meaningless and not counter hegemonic. i never said that you can't organize in different way's
stop attacking me and try to use an argument to prove how these actions are counter hegemonic

you can't

I know and that is organizing against trump.

Well you were sure trying to discourage others from doing it, and staying all this is just vandalism and total rebolution :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD faggot.

How ?
I don't really think we can fight capitalism with protest

I agree. No one on Holla Forums should show up because SAlt is already quite capable of embarrassing the left on its own.

nah nigga you came into the organization thread, posted a smug picture and called it useless while offering no alternatives. That is heavily implying they should all just go home and keep their heads down.
You've got to be using hegemonic wrong.
More importantly, this thread is about organization. Not about only doing it wrong. It is organization you are decrying.

Stop alienating our left friends, we need them.

Smh

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ok, do what you think is right, but breaking stuff because Hillary didn't win is just lifestylism. I bet you wouldn't be doing this if Hillary would've won the bourgeois elections
don't take it so personally

you just proved my point, go read Gramsci anarkiddie. Even Bookchin knew that you needed some kind of political organization to set forward the municipal libertarian goals.
He even wrote about you guys:
libcom.org/library/social-anarchism--lifestyle-anarchism-murray-bookchin

The antiTrump protests are not my movement I'm not the one who should be explaining how you can make it counter hegemonic. Nonsensical.

Trots are not friends of any revolution, they are opportunistic scum who use sudo left wing rhetorics to get in state power. Syriza, Front de Gauche, Podemos, Bloco de Esquerda, SA, Labour Party, Die Linke, and many others are all the same.

what does this accomplish?

anarkiddies will think they are real anarchists
LARP politics

who invited all these newfags into the board? we're reading less and less everyday and doing mindless organization with no clear purpose or long term benefits, or even short term benefits?

Okay yeah, organization, like this thread is titled. Organizing is the point. Actually start offering alternative actions individuals and groups may take, or don't dismiss all ideas about organization as not good enough everyone go home I'm a leftcom or something

Well aren't you just basically the worst anarchist-nihilist ever.

i'd rather not do anything than do the wrong thing for the wrong purpose.

t. some faggot living in constitutional democracy founded on Liberalism.

protesting fascists is always good imo

Riots and crowds can provide cover for legitimate insurrection. Class consciousness can be raised, police killed, and the structures of this society directly attacked.

I can tell.

Get the fuck out of Holla Forums you illiterate fagshit.

Holla Forums anarchists are so guilty about not doing anything that you take the any chance just to brag about "organizing and agitating". literally what does this shit accomplish? best case scenario you kick trump out and put pence in the office, worst case scenario you get jailed for a few days, in both cases the only thing you get is a right to brag about "going out and do stuff" to this shitty board.

from what i see, most people view anti-trump protesters as immature children lashing out at something that has no impact on their lives whatsoever. so what if a fascist gets into office? its not like anyone else is better. you dont accomplish anything nor do you get any more "class consciousness". youre just really shitty anarchists who cant read and try to compensate for it by doing mindless action with no clear goals or purposes.

lel his base and his inner circle is full of lunatic fascists but he himself is a moderate democrat right?

That's how people think of all anarchists. What a worthless thing to say. Read nechayev.

by calling everyone you dont like fascists, youre doing the same thing as neocons did with obama (calling him a communist until the word loses its meaning). youre making people less sensitive to the word, they'll see anything leftists dont like is "fascist", they wont care what actual fascism is. youre not doing any good for anyone.

namedropping surely is a great argument. why dont you stop agreeing with every single thing you read on every book you read and start using your brain to think?

I got salty you said I can't read :c

i'm not calling everyone i don't like fascists, i'm calling fascists fascists you utter fucking moron

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

No, it isn't, stop overusing words you don't understand and get to reading the books. Or at least go read the fucking wikipedia article about fascism and its theory.

shitty circular reasoning is not a fucking argument. explain how hes a fascist you dumb leftist retard

i don't see any point tbh. you probably have some super pedantic definition of fascism that could only ever apply to the interwar european variety. we'll be sitting in one of trump's labor camps at the wall together and you'll still be telling me this isn't actually fascism. when you do this you end up with the same problem as the types of people who think that literally everything other than marxism-leninism-mao tse tung thought (or w/e) is fascism. in their case the word can be applied to so many things that it becomes worthless. in yours it can be applied to so few things that it also becomes worthless.

Now know your shitty true form a Holla Forumsfag.

That still doesn't change fact that you tried to discourage with bullshit.

Still thinking and making bullshit like this is about hillary even tho that has been called out, while using shit like lifestylism out of no wheres in this subject

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bump, there will be mass protests his entire presidency, trust me

I wish we could have had mass protests during Obama… but liberals were in love with that corrupt POS

Yes, fight for what you believe in. Go break shit to stroke Hillary's ego. She's very angry. Watching Trump supporters get hurt and shot will help ease her pain. Mobilize, men!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=DZ9N215ieKs

All the people need to do is convince Trump that his popularity ratings will go up if he implements social-democratic policies. You know how much Trump loves polls.

Did you just assume my gender?

I do what I want.

But it is. There would be no protests from the left if Clinton had been elected even though she's arguably worse because of her foreign policy.

Hilarious.

No shit.

her foreign policy is better than trump's tho

(but still terrible, obviously)

Only in an accelerationist way.

no

huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-assault-lgbtq-equality_us_58275a17e4b02d21bbc8ff9b

It's ogre for the homo's and other lgbtq's

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kek/10

I'm actually a member of a communist party. And I'm quoting Gramsci and Bookchin. But yea, I'm the problem in here, not the "what eben is counter-hegemony, breaking things is rebolution XDD"

yes

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It's piss versus shit.

Despite the memes, Hillary Clinton would have been less likely to cause a major war. However, she's still a bloodthirsty imperialist who will do essentially anything to expand American markets and American dominance.

Ignoring all the militant cry babies who are mad that a "literal Hitler" has won, I see there are also some pseudo-anarchists involved because they just want to have some fun smashing unimportant shit that changes nothing and any such protest gives them the opportunity to this. I bet it feels cool to do it. And I bet the system likes it too when revolt becomes a mere fashionable simulation of itself. Much better than someone actually having the idea to change something.

Serious anarchists would conspire in secrecy to collapse the system. But of course, this is opposed to smashing things publicly while wearing cool hoodies and masks.

I'm digging their 2 new tracks :^)
I like 90% of the music in their albums, my favorite tracks always change from time to time

Middle east situation by itself may lead to a new war anyway, Erdogan's Ottoman Empire obsession is getting pretty spooky.

this idea needs to die

"lefty liberals" do not exist
there is no such thing as a leftist liberal
at all

Sure there are, these two ideologies are most often mixed together rather than separated. Although I don't live in Amerika, and I know people there are retarded in different ways than where I live.

Nah she would've handed Erdogan everything he wanted on a silver plate just because
and caused a far worse war than Trump ever will

there is no such thing as lefty liberals

lolbert
fuck him

Based GMiL btfos retards once again

what's the other one?

Even if you show me they're contradictory it still doesn't disprove the existence of lefty liberals, since people simply think contradictory things - if you don't believe me then let my claim that lefty liberals exist serve as a proof :^)

dude lmao

wat

are you ok

How does capitalism create racism and sexism? Are you saying that it necessarily creates those things, because that is just absurd.

I find the two-faced doublethink of the right absolutely fascinating. Somehow in less than a day after the election they all conveniently forgot how they were calling for riots due to election rigging.

tfw

solid OC

Sure we had united front against red fascists in 1919,Germany.

SuckDems please

if this is about a "great moment in leftism" then why does he not care, assume clinton would just win and not know about obama being a piece of shit?
are you implying that democrats are left?

they're called "social fascists" and yes we had a united front against them and it's what cost the NSDAP 4,2 % and their left equivalent SPD 1,2 % while the KPD gained 2,6 %

if it wasn't for the SPD leadership Hitler wouldn't have been appointed Chancellor by their presidential candidate Hindenburg

I think GMiL is implying that many leftists going on these protests are pretty much edgy democraps who were secretly rooting for Shillary rather than being against bourgeois elections in general.

We could waste our time with these

or

we could actually coup the DNC. Even moderate Dems are out for blood now! We will never get an opportunity like that. If you are a fellow American, make preparations!

So did this happen or not?

No.

I would say neither but then again what do I know.

Whatever behavior comes natural to all human beings, across and within all distinct populations. Predictable human behavior.

Do you seriously think these protests are the path to the left reawakening? Most of the people are there because they don't like Trump. That's a terrible foundation to build a leftist movement on. Go there and piss in the direction of the wind, if it gives you the satisfaction of seemingly doing something and feeling like a cool radical, while I continue to be horrified by lack of strategic thinking from the left.
Trump is an opportunity for the left, but it won't happen by infiltrating militant liberal hysterics. Even writing fucking facebook posts about how the results were completely predictable, to enlighten your friends about class struggle, could now perhaps achieve more than going on the streets. A good explanation of the election results in this moment of total shock and disbelief achieves far more to spread your ideology than just helping people shout some slogans louder.

Fuck off libtard.

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Pissy liberals being angry at the results who will forget about it in a week != proletarian revolution

this is why we should hang cuckdems as fast as we can

I can unite against the Dakota pipeline, just give me concrete cases to fight for not meme issues like the US elections

this one :^)

thanks fam

first john oliver, now john green… are they all actually white nationalists?

No one actually knows how deep the rabbit hole goes

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You first, OP.