Just a question

I don't think that you understand: We as a race/ people have to try to survive, we build nations, etc. It's all tribalistic, but is that inheritely bad? We're build to judge others because of their race. Don't you feel proud, when lefty pol achieves something? Isn't that kinda tribalistic of you too?

You are a faggot

This is why I fucking hate leftists. This is why I loathe, hate, and despise you fuckers. You have no basis in reality and not only that, you can't win an argument unless you're in a group so you can just shout over well-reasoned arguments, and on top of that, you have to use emotional appeals and false equivalencies to put together a pithy joke you call a rebuttal.

You guys are evolutionary failures and were you not feeding on the teet of the civilized world right-wing people built, you would be out in the woods being torn apart by a fucking grizzly bear.

History has taught you dumbasses again and again that your shit doesn't work, but you refuse to listen.

If Hillary somehow wins because of the sheer amount of stupid inbred retards in our sick, sick country, I'll welcome the impending nuclear apocalypse because I know at the end of the day our kind will survive, while yours will be left to die.

Seriously, I wonder if anyone has considered taking apart a liberal brain in an autopsy and seeing if its physically different from a right-wing persons. There has to be some kind of fundamental flaw.

No since I don't really see myself as having one.

Inherently? No, it's natural. But it almost always spirals out of control into needless pissing matches and is constantly taken advantage of by porkies who want to distract proles from their real problems by making them go out and kill other proles.

I mean, not really. Some of my family were gigantic fucking assholes. It's just not that smart to take pride in your relatives, because they usually tend to be wrong most of the time.

No sense thinking about it, only sense is getting done what needs to get done.

Whilst I do support trump, my ancestors were never enslaved by Romans. I don't like corperatism, that's what you and I have in common. Capitalism isn't necessarily bad, together with democracy, it's a Perpetuum mobile of advancement. I don't like communism, because it takes the rightfully earned money away from those that earned it and gives it away, a better option would be a flat tax that is used to reinstall people into the market and as a trampoline for the unfortunate. Anarcho-Capitalism is a meme and will never work and so doesn't communism. A free market usually develops advancements on its own and since communism cripples that progress, it's inhumane.

No, I'm not so pathetically talentless and useless that I need to get my sense of worth and identity from the colour of my skin or the chunk of landmass that I happened to be born on.

Keep telling yourself that

Human nature doesn't exist, bucko.

the reason why you're alive today is because your mother and father had a bit too much to drink and forgot about birth control

Also your whole premise is wrong, you're thinking of capitalism friendo. That's the system that steals from the people who earned their wealth.

K.

HEY THAT RUDE.

There are always degenerates, nobody said that they're part of what I or rather we believe is good or perfect.

I'm proud of the international proletariat.

That is all.

How confused are you

OK, why even work when you are being cared for? Oh, right, because you aren't. Why open a business? Oh right, you can't. A balance between basic needs that are partially provided by the state and and a social market would be perfect, famalam.

Because someone at the end of the day has to keep society functioning the way it is regardless. There's a price for not working, but in this case its according to need.

This question is the same question you could ask, why are their people driving garbage trucks every day. Nobody wants to do it, it pays for jack shit, but it has to be done.

I don't see this as a problem at all

How would you even pull something off that goes against human nature? Everybody wants to be the best and wantsomething to be rewarded for being the best. It may be a good concept on paper, but it'll never work in real life with the current formarket of humanity.

How is Capitalism the only answer to "human nature", even if what you suggested could somehow be proven to be outright "human nature".

Drawing wide swathes as to what human nature is, is the last resort for people who don't really have an argument

Why do something, if you aren't rewarded?

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1- Work will be distributed of labor time among the the community via the labor council

2-It will be short in communism it will be 6-3 hour each week

3-After that you will be free to do what you want

No you are not free to own others for your gain.

1-The communist live style
2- personal satisfaction
3-love , attention , self pride etc…

Read Oscar wiled "the soul of man under socialism"

Is this the best Holla Forums can throw at us ????
Read theory pleb

Self realization, self worth, community contribution and recognition. If the only motivation you can think of is monetary then I feel bad for you.

Humans are isolatists, they want to do their own stuff and don't want to share. They want to be the best (very materialistic), it has always been like this. They want to be rewarded for their work, they want to be able to be promoted and earn more money and maybe own their own business.

Well I personally think that communism will only be possible once full or near-full automation becomes a thing. Socialism on the other hand could work just fine, since if you are capable of working and don't then you don't eat. The Soviets even taxed people who were unemployed.

This whole business meme needs to die too. The vast majority of people have no interest in opening a business. Of those that do, a smaller fraction have the technical knowledge to run a business. Of this group an even smaller fraction has the financial capacity to start a business. So after all that we are talking about stepping on the toes of maybe 1% of the population, meanwhile everybody else is happy with syndicates, co-ops, soviets, state industry, or whatever other model you use to replace capitalism.

How do I not get that with capitalism? Isn't money a way to fulfill your dreams?

nothing quite like the original

I'm proud of no one but myself.

What does someone who works with septic tanks be rewarded now?

This is such an upper middle class question

I guess that's why all humans live in complete isolation and totally aren't social creatures that have lived communally for thousands of years.

Two different companies can push themselves to better performances, whilst state-owned corps are without company and basically no threat to their right to exist. Why can you be blessed to work 6-8 hours a week, when there basically needs to be a manager etc like in capitalism too? Isn't this just the American thing just with less freedom?

You having money of other working class labor " if you own a factory company etc…" is money that you stole from them.

Money have the bad habit of turning itself into The Dream and the purist of profit is a non ethical act in of itself, ethical laws are applied trying to control such thing.

Read this then read theory plz

Lads I'm proud of being Russian what do

Socioeconomic restraints prevent the vast majority of people from realizing their true self.

No.

Humans lived in tribes, the original use of social contact and sharing. Cleaning the septic tank brings you good morney, because nobody wants to do, but the difficulty of the work isn't as high as some other more difficult jobs.

This is wrong.

This is also wrong.

Right but not in the sense you're suggesting the word.

Who said that doesn't happen in Communism anyway. This absolutely happens, what are you on about

That must be why the handful of telecommunication companies offer the best service, competitive pricing and aren't complete trash.

This is NOT COMMUNISM or socialism
The factory will be democratically owned by the ones that work in it.
The only other bodies that have any attachment to the factory are the "transportation council , maintenance council" there is no state what so ever here.

is this the best you have nig ?

the democratically elected council of the workers.
The labor unions

What a horrible place to live in.

Owning a factory is not theft, you moron, you let people work for you and they get and part of the profit. The money is used to fulfill hobbies: travelling, sailing, idc. the concept of sharing is a purely tribalistic concept. There is a difference between corporatism and capitalism, none of you have really an idea of capitalism. Reward as in a promotion, more money, ways to live onear your own.

Market competition drives innovation in profit making, not technology. In fact market forces can often inhibit technology, since scientific research that doesn't have any immediate market applications is given no interest. There's also the fact that what is most profitable doesn't necessarily result in the best product for the lowest price, concepts like planned obsolescence is proof of this.

The greatest innovations typically come out of either government or universities, neither of which operate on market principles.

Socialism doesn't take issue with managers, they're an important part of production. What we care about is those managers being accountable to the workers rather than porky exploiters.

Well considering that the workplace is democratized, people aren't being constantly exploited, people have access to far more wealth and resources since they are more equitably distributed, their democracy isn't constantly being subverted by porkies, and they aren't being driven like slaves at work I'd say that they're more free.

This is less true then it's ever been. It wasn't even true when Capitalism began, it was just as brutal, if not more so, then the Cold War third world nations you usually cite as being barbaric.

Child workers, soot everywhere, industrialized machines that were so unsafe you could get your hand mangeled to shit inside one by accident, poor profit motivation, etc

This is a 20th century middle class lie.

What does "tirbalistic concept" have as critical weight?

There isn't, it began with the former. It didn't begin with fucking farmers

It's so nice that porky allows me to do the essential labor required for him to make a profit. Aren't capitalists just so generous?

You are an idiotic anarcho-communist. It's tribalism all over again. If that's how you want to live in your tribe, fine, I dont care. You can't force this idea on a whole country.

I think you all got me wrong, of course there is a need of market market regulations, but from what I've seen, the new ps4 is better than the ps3 and computers evolve too.

Consider this: the worker pays the capitalist, not the other way around.

100% of the wealth the capitalist brings in is produced by the worker, but the capitalist takes the lion's share of it while giving the worker a fraction of it. Even the capital that the capitalist invested in the business is returned to them, so their contribution is negated by the efforts of the worker. The capitalist has to receive more than they contribute, this is profit by definition. Since everything they contribute in the form of capital and wages is paid for by the worker, the capitalist effectively gives nothing but still takes, making them a parasite by definition.

Is it theft? Technically no, because the worker has technically agreed to this process (although they don't have a choice, since the only other option is starvation). However if you voluntarily put a leech on your dick it doesn't change the fact that it's a leech.

You can't keep using this word as a negative

Only kind of pride acceptable.

There's a reason, why we don't have child labour or one cent wages, because of the unions, the right to protest and the efforts of the state.

I like tribalism, scroll up.

Killyourself faggot

I'm not accusing you of being an ancap, I'm just arguing that the market is not necessary for innovation. Even then I'm not necessarily opposed to markets, I would like to see a mixed system of syndicalism and market socialism, at least initially.

There are very real issues with markets. They rob people of individual agency by compelling them to conform to market forces, and they structure the economy based around profit rather than the wellbeing of the community (which are very often mutually exclusive).

Uh, okay? What does that have to do with the fact that a capitalist is by definition a parasite?

Top kek. Have you seen what goes on in sweatshops and mines across the globe?

The owner of the factory OWNS the factory and the tools in it. He'd use machines, if they're more efficient and it's true, nothing could work without the lowest worker, but so couldn't it without a factory.

Capitalism does have child labor, it just shifted it to the places nobody looks. Nobody asks where their diamonds came from.

So? Aside from state enforcement why should this be respected as a hallowed concept?

GENETIC TRAUMA

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Property is theft

I'm generalising the 1st world here and am saying that the socialism that is being pushed right now creates real corporatism, because small businesses can't endure all the regalatians and minimum wages. There's loads going to be the boss or leader.

The capitalist owns the factory that was built by workers, and was paid for by products produced by workers. The capitalist contributed nothing, even the money he spent on the factory initially was paid back to him by the wealth produced by the workers. The capitalist is not necessary for the process of production, the only function they serve is to systematically separate workers from the wealth that they produce.

Good, petty bourgs are disgusting

Socialism isn't being pushed now. Capitalism and neoliberalism are stronger than ever. Socialism is the worker and democratic control of the means of production and the economy.

How would corporatism function without corporations or private property rights?

People should always be able to own something on their own, the next thing that is going to be state owned is your body.

If you really think this, look at the nightmare world we currently live in. Why do you think any of us became communists. It isn't merely on a whim we decided to take up one of the most contraversial ideologies of the last century. It isn't because we're stupid.

It's because, Goldman Sachs exists, it's because there is an upper class world that exists in hypocrisy that defends itself by saying its existence is the only possible way there can be, existence.

It's a fucking sham.

Lmao

Socialism doesn't prevent you from owning things. It prevents you from exploiting others through the sole ownership of productive property.

Private vs personal property fam. Under socialism you could still own things, you just wouldn't be able to enter exploitative economic relationships or own the means of production.

The first capitalist was a smart worker himself, he had an idea for a business.
I myself could be considered upper class, but I'm not saying that the banks are doing good in any way, they're terrible. One side of family is just nobility, the other is former worker class that became business owners and high ranking Nazis. Ive worked myself up the chain.

Think about it this way. Is the state justified in telling private citizens that they can't own a nuclear weapon? Of course it is, because allowing that would pose a huge danger to public safety and the wellbeing of the community, and would even infringe on their personal freedom by making them beholden to the nut with the nuke. A socialist views private ownership of the MoP in a similar light, it creates a system that exploits people, undermines democracy, creates mass poverty and limits personal freedom. Just trying to regulate and control capitalism like you suggest is in our view, like telling people that they're allowed to own a nuke but aren't allowed to detonate it.

The first Capitalist was a cushy 19th century philosopher, the first capitalist were exploitive shits who cared nothing for the worker to the point of creating Communist revolution.

The birth of this, system, is the birth of its rival itself. That should tell you, what you don't usually think about.

It's shit.

*the first capitalists. As in plural.

Possibly, but the capitalist doesn't "work himself up the chain". The capitalist by definition gets their wealth by parasitizing the workers in the ways I described above. Praising them for their ingenuity in screwing people over is like praising a tapeworm for its brilliant evolutionary strategy.

What rights do I even have in communism?

Communism itself does not erase the class struggle, as it proclaims, but keeps it going. It does this because it is a government: there must be a group of people in charge, and it’s likely that this group enjoys its power. By maintaining their power, the leaders of a Communist state separate the population into at least two classes: themselves as the upper class, and preferably everyone else in the lower class.

None, because you would be sent to the gulag bucko.

That's not what communism means retard. Communism is a stateless society. Why would you even post here if you didn't even know that much?

What about everything else except anarcho-communism?

Marx’s doctrine is fraught with faulty logic, loopholes, and unsolved problems. His idea of economics is based on the labor theory of value, which asserts that a car, for example, should cost more than a TV, because more labor is needed to produce it. But this is an oversimplification of the market.

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This is expressly why Marxist Communism has caused the utter collapse of so many national economies: it thinks in broad strokes, and fails to tell one subtlety from another. This, first and foremost, is because Communism is not grounded in reality.

Every Communist agrees Communism is stateless. Why are you putting so much effort into arguing against Communism if you clearly don't have even the most basic understanding of what it is?

A car shouldn't cost more than a TV?

Your post is an oversimplification of the labor theory of value.

Are you from Holla Forums or something?

All strains of communism Have the same goal. To establish a stateless society.

You just described capitalism.

wew

What's the end game here, champ?

I'm pretty proud that my ancestors went to South America and pillaged it and raped everyone there and founded some shithole nations that seceded from us.

Might makes right.

I mean; I don't know. I have the choice to be proud of my personal accomplishments only, or proud of my personal accomplishments and the accomplishments of my kin. I'd rather take two than just one.

If it's democratic or anything like that, then it has a state.

watch out kid, don't hurt yourself on that edge

you are fucking stupid

So should I be proud or ashamed? Or neither?

Neither you dip, you'd know that if you lurked for ten minutes.

That's some pretty loose defining dude. No wonder you don't understand shit.

It's like homes are centralized governments or something to you. That's some spooky shit.

Neither, since you didn't do what you're ancestors did.

The only way you could enforce democracy not sure country wide level is with a government.

But what if I want to be part and build upon something my ancestors took part in, if I am so to say continuing their work and following in their footsteps and building further where they left off, why shouldn't I be proud?

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Would my ancecstors do what they did if they didn't have a sense of what their ancestors did?

No, that's retarded

Funny, I think you don't want that meme.

you are fucking retarded

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Those are some cool spectres, my ectoplasmic friend

Are there no differences between races?

Race differences hold no real authority in a society, your sense of authority is falsely fabricated, fascist

If you want to go on about how Autism Level tests justify racial prejudice and segregation, we have that argument here every day and your side always ends up running off with their tail between their legs

I was more referring to differences in bone structure, phisical and mental capacity rather than making an argument for segregation but whatever.

Up to which point are we equal or different. Are blacks superior to whites in certain categories like running but inferior in mental capacity? Or is there literally no difference.

I'm not a fascist but whatever.

thats a good word filter

If you want to debate us on phrenology and racial science, here's what you do.
Get all of the articles on the topic you can find, every single one.
Print them out on plain white copier paper.
Transcribe them in full using a pen and lined paper.
Write detailed summaries of each and every one.
Tear them up into little shreds
and shove them up your fucking peehole, stick them right up your urethra.

Tribalism bad? Fuck no. But I want my tribalism to be based on politics not biology. Civil wars between anarcho-/communists and fascists/capitalists is my paradise. Liberal technocracy that forces integration of everything into a single system and makes us all mere hostages and civilians is the main enemy here.

But why? Why are you triggered by the idea that there might be differences among races?
I didn't even say that any was superior to the other, I don't believe there is a superior race or ubermensch, but that there are racial differences.

Are you denying these differences, if so, why?

I'm not even proud of my self

I'm listing out the prerequisites for debating me on racial science.
Here's a really good video by a fairly esteemed professor on the subject if you want to see things from the other side.
youtube.com/watch?v=D0dzgSfFQu8

Shit wrong link
youtube.com/watch?v=P1Flr7JhPow

Right. I don't know why you're so upset, but ok.

Is the East Asian/North European gap in height just a social construct? Anti-Asian racism has forced them to be shorter, right?

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So racial differences are real and the only question is the scope and degree.

Is africans dominating certain aspects of sports and athletic activities a social construct?

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meme

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"Rushton and Ankney (2009) summarize the findings to date with regards to brain size and intelligence: based on 28 non-clinical published brain imaging samples (N= 1,389) a .40 correlation between I­­­Q and brain size measured by MRI was found; based on 59 published samples (N= 63,405) a .20 correlation between I­­­Q and head circumference was found. These findings are consistent with others. In a meta-analysis McDaniel (2004) found an in vivo brain volume/I­­­Q correlation of 0.33 based on 37 published studies (N= 1535); Reviewing all the data to date (N = 935), Miller and Penke (2007) found a in vivo brain volume/general intelligence (GQ) of .41; the heritability of adult brain volume (N =2494) was found to be .89. Pietschnig, Zeiler, and Voracek, (submitted), found an in vivo brain volume/I­­­Q correlation of .24 based on a meta-analysis of 94 studies published and unpublished."
abc102.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/brain-size-and-correlates-with-iq/
philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/The-Evolution-of-Brain-Size-and-Intelligence-2007-by-John-Philippe-Rushton-C.-Davison-Ankney.pdf

Relativistic brain mass is a fantastic predictor of the intelligence of one animal compared to another, there is no reason this obvious principle should not apply in humans, except that it might hurt someone's feelings.

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All communism is stateless. The difference between Anarcho-communism and Marxism is that Anarchists want to abolish the state and implement communism immediately, whereas Marxists want to take control of the state and use it to establish communism gradually.

Not an argument :^)

Dude you don't understand.According to him you are a "bad" human being and you are pushing your propaganda. There is nothing you can do to debate him that will change him mind.You are wasting your time.Facts will make you even more inhuman .

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I recently came to leftypol because I was tired of pol and hearing the same things over and over, I'm not a fascist or anything and I'm open minded and wanted to hear what the other side had to say.

I guess I was naive in expecting to get any nice civil discussion when going to any chan, but I didn't expect this much hostility from simply challenging a simple concept.

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yes you were

top kek

Why would we have to "justify" any of our behavior? Racial prejudice and segregation don't violate any moral Truth (see Hume), the APA has already stated that blacks are less intelligent than whites, by a whole standard deviation on average, even if this had a purely environmental cause it would not be remotely in the self-interest of whites to spend billions of dollars and endless man hours trying to fix whatever one of their problems which causes them to create dysfunctional communities and commit hugely disproportionate amounts of crime.

There's no imperative for whites to be dispossessed by blacks and Mestizos who are, at least at present, intellectually inferior to them. It would be in the self-interest of whites in Europe, for example, to deport every rape­fugee and if they need more children to provide large incentives to white German women to do so.

Well it's not so bad, at least I can save lots of Sitrners.

I'm going to make a single lucid response to this shit thread that literally pops up every single day, and nothing more.
Who the fuck cares. You don't walk up to people and measure their skull capacities, not to mention that segregating an already nonsegregated society based on perceived racial differences is absolutely goddamn retarded.
Stop posting this shitty fucking thread, there are bigger issues in the world than breitbart's latest article on why black people have an extra bone in their heads that make them commit crimes. You'll never have a white ethnostate and until the day you get put in the ground you're going to have to deal with blacks so stop shitting up a communist internet forum with this same stupid shit every single day you goddamn retard.

Today is the first time I posted on leftypol and I'm not OP.

Stop being so paranoid.

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You're not going to have a communist state in your lifetime either, so why bother being a commie?

The U.S. is not non-segregated.
chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/04/chicago-is-the-most-segregated-city-in-america-analysis/

lifewayresearch.com/2014/12/16/americans-agree-u-s-has-come-far-in-race-relations-but-long-way-to-go/
"More than 8 in 10 (86 percent) say their congregation is made up of one predominant racial or ethnic group, according to a LifeWay Research study released in January 2014. The latest wave of the National Congregations Study found similar results."

Yes, that's what we have the 2nd Amendment for, to deal with blacks.

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They did exactly that, you know–liberals have a form of brain damage that reduces their ability to identify or react to threats. Liberals very literally are mentally incapable of identifying things which can potentially destroy or consume them.

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You seem to care

I would say it's precisely the opposite: liberals see everything as a potential threat therefore establish their totalitarian safe spaces and security/surveillance states.

That's the right-wing fascists man

DUUUUUUHHH

Ah so you're a dumb cunt

And according to your sources, if race relations have improved, what's to stop them from continuing. There have been ethnic tensions which have risen and subsided tbh.

I don't see why we should stop. Though I guess we could afford to get rid of dumb cunts like you.

I know you're only joking, but I would just like to add that liberals are far more dangerous because they do it in the name of spreading tolerance and good, integrating and neutralizing everything, thus exterminating all active and external opposition to the system in a way that is invisible to most people.
Fascists at least give you the dignity of being their enemy and their ideology is explicit.

Because having enemies is triggering to themselves. You must embrace love and kindness and build a society based in freedon of speech and by helping each other…
Unless you are a fascist, then you must be hanged

top kek

as opposed to Holla Forums who rejects evidence debunking racial reality and calls mainstream science politically motivated and ran by jews. And in terms of rebuttal, you're called a shill, cuck, nigger or kike because they have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old.

I'm pretty sure the French revolution gave rise to some amazing laws tbh. I'm also pretty sure that if it wasn't for the left, you wouldn't have had the socialist scandanavian states, some of which have the highest HDI, or the recognition of rights for various peoples, most notably the working class; (working conditions improved, higher pay, working hours etc)

Economically speaking the Scandanavian states would dispute you on that, as well as the breif period of Australia becoming a soc-dem country under Kevin Rudd government. As for society, I'm pretty sure the spanish anarchists didn't have any human rights violations within their society, and lived in general piece.

But hey right wing shit works right? I guess I'll wait for another recession when everyone privatises everything, and fascism comes on the rise (which in no way could have possibly resulted in human rights violations under its regime be carried out, because stormniggers think that fascist dictators were gud bois who dindu nuffin)

I bet you don't even know what Hoxhaism is do you.

Liberals aren't leftists, dipshit.

And it's funny how you Holla Forumstards hate Islam/ muslim despite them wanting to kill jews, impose dominant patriarchy, kill gays, enforce traditional gender roles, believe in a dominant ideology which will control society and kill "degenerates", and at the same time hate globalism, despite believing in free markets, and adore capitalism despite it being the tool which has allowed DA JOOS to obtain power and opress and trick "muh white aryan master race"

Also funny you should say evolutionary failures

livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

I'm a White American.

Throughout my childhood, I was told that my mother was French and my father Irish. That would make me 50/50 French and Irish.

When I was ~14 or so, I believe, I found out my mother was adopted, and that she doesn't know her biological parents. No actual clue what ethnicity she is beyond her obviously being White.

When I was 17, my parents informed me that my father is not my biological father. I went from thinking I was French and Irish to having zero clue about my ethnicity.

My family is lopsided and small and weird because of a lot of reasons like those listed above, adding that on top of not knowing my heritage, whether it's a spook or meaningless or whatever, or not, I do feel like I've missed out.

I'll be purchasing a 23andMe test soon.

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Race relations improving isn't the same thing as people voluntarily integrating. Even with enormous attempts at forced integration whites still flee the presence of nonwhites in most contexts.

Couldn't you then be proud of your nation through civic advancement and enrichment. Can't you then be proud of helping to create a great nation for your children's children to live in? Civic nationalism to an extent isn't bad or irrational.

I could ask you the same thing based on that flag of yours.

You can see how well Africa has done with colonial masters gone. I feel they absolutely have a right to self determination and to be free. But even the Africans living there themselves say that they had it better under European colonialism. Yo can't see the clear chronic instability and problems across the continent. Progress was being made, albeit progress to extract resources, but progress with schools, hospitals, and infirstructure regardless. Africans currently having a taste of Chinese economic colonialism also claim to yearn for how good they had it under European colonialsm. Their words being roughly "at least European colonialism had a human face to it."

youtube.com/watch?v=iOmQP9guIl0
0:00 to 1:14 pretty much sums it up