We will talk about this game and we will have an honest to god discussion about its merits

Oh. I gotta check that out…
I started about a 2 years ago.

You're the one going against the established stance of Holla Forums regarding ASSFAGGOTS and yet have the audacity to act butthurt.

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Dota has not significantly changed in how its played in the last 10 years. It has had metagame updates, slight map changes, but the guy that played Dota Allstars 10 years ago could pick it up today and still play it competently, even down to some item choices. The only thing that has changed is the metagame, which now features a 0-gold support or 2.

Every year Dota makes Valve literal millions of dollars which they just sit on because retards think they're getting value for money by putting in $10 to get shit that Valve makes in an afternoon. The game is only alive because of a fresh wave of teenagers that were too young to play Warcraft 3 and casuals who wanted to play 'Hardcore' league of legends, in the same vein that these casuals are 'hardcore' for beating Dark Souls compared to their friends Skyrim. That and a hat shop.

The entire genre is built on the back of being able to blame something out of your hands as the reason for your failure and tricking you into a monotonous pattern where every so often you're the guy that does great and gets accolades. The entire genre will die in the face of Overwatch, the casuals new League of Legends, which will be followed by the casuals new 'hardcore Dota' probably in the form of Quake or whatever other shitty game tries to use the label for easy credibility.

Possibly the biggest merit this game has is that it's actually designed to be fun. Of course that doesn't happen because of the playerbase but in theory dota can be a very fun game thanks to the sheer variety and complexity of shit going on. If only people would try to copy dota design instead of its retarded offspring when making ASSFAGGOTS they might actually be good, but then again that actually takes skill, time and knowledge.

Ok.

fuck you nigger

I played this game since it`s war3 days, before garena was even a thing

It`s a shit game, an lesson about human interaction and how incapable of working together we are as humans.
80% of games will be shit because somebody refuses to take the short straw, the remaining 20% will be boring, current meta team composition and farm bonanza
This dynamic will slowly worn you out to the point where you regret starting a game 2 minutes in, to the point you will find yourself angry every time you play.

The only way to avoid this is making a team with your close friends with all being good on their respective roles
yet I prefer killing myself than doing 15 minutes pubstomps or, when the game is a little balanced, 50 minutes of boring current meta gameplay

You are an autist of the highest degree if you`ve been playing dota after 2 years or so, the game lies to you about the promise of endless gameplay, you will face a wall of repetitive shit after a while, and only frustration will come from it

Don`t play this game if you never did

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And here's your replies. Your bait is so successful.

That is every MP game ever though.

You need to be an adult to post on Holla Forums.

Google the definition of merits then come back here and try again.

Take your own advice. I'm not the kid who has to walk in and cry about things he doesn't like in places made to talk about those things.

Imagine an online shooter with half the complexity of Dota.

That was perhaps the least satisfying to play of all ASSFAGGOTS. Seriously everything in that game had just about the impact of a fucking NERF gun.

Not that ASSFAGGOTS are good to begin with. Doto wins the least shit award by default purely because it's the only thing in the genre that's somewhat entertaining to watch and is actually F2P aside from cosmetic shit, and everything else is either LoL or takes it's cues from LoL and is therefore dull formulaic freemium shit.

The only thing Overwatch is killing is League of Legends and all the other cartoony shooters except TF2(because it already killed itself kek).

Haha wow, did you just literally cry that you don't have a hugbox?

I wonder if Nintendo will ever dip their finger into ASSFAGGOTS.
Can see it now. Amiibos are player characters. Buy amiibo get that character.
All the Smash Bros. cast are playable.
Item pickups between lanes. (mostly from Mario Kart)
E3 competition stream.
3rd party guest characters.

You are faggots in denial, this game was good in the early years when everybody didn`t knew what the fuck they were doing, you were allowed to get away with some build variation and silly shit with little punishment, FUN was possible

Literally, and I don`t use this term often, everyone I knew that played this game religiously quit years ago
There`s a reason why CSGO has now more players than DOTA2 now

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I realize your butt is very very hurt but that is no reason to lie to us.

ASSFAGGOTS aren't big in Japan so no.

As much as I want to enjoy Dota, I literally can't anymore.

The game is a massive stress for no pay off for me. Every single fucking match it's either I'm angry as fuck because nobody picks a support, or if they did almost always has no idea how to play it. Or I am playing support and the game isn't fucking fun for a support.
It just fucking isn't. You're entire fucking team is a pack of retards that can't appreciate what you do when you gank and ward. If you don't sit in lane with your carry if though it hinders him, he gets angry and starts yelling at you for leaving.

When you get a successful gank off, no body really thinks it is because of you, no you were merely there when they decided it was a good time to kill the enemy.

This game is still better than LoL, I can say that for sure.
At least in Dota the matches aren't already preset determined to be losses or wins from the beginning.
But in Dota you either play the fun thing and assume your teammates do an acceptable job, or you play support and never have any fucking fun.
Sometimes playing support doesn't even do anything because there is a large group of players that never look at the map. EVER.

Man this fucking game was a mistake. I'm disgusted with myself for even fucking playing for two fucking years.

The only reason to play any ASSFAGGOTS these days is playing gimmick characters like Techies. He changes entirely how your allies and opponent play the game and has creative uses for his abilities like Tiny tossing into him. Unfortunately, not even a quarter of the hero base is like that in a genre where everyone should be like that.

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Get gud.

I meant unique players

Don`t be defensive nigger, you are wasting your life on a shit game and you know it

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Back to Reddit

Please stop derailing my thread.
Thank you very much.
now go away

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Yeah real fun spending the entire game placing mines so you can get first blood and maybe 3 kills on some poor support trying to ward and then becoming irrelevant in 30 minutes as soon as the enemies decide to buy a gem, effectively wasting a player slot.

Techies only works against idiots and even then they're not fun to play.

what's your mmr guys
mine's 4350
been playing for 2 years
plz no bully

Oh boy, I love ASSFAGGOT threads.

Under 2k.
wake me up

you can`t repeat yourself and expect people to take it as fact

Be that way, you, as every old school player, will soon join the club
Try having a little fun until then nigger

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Techies/Tiny might be the most fun lane in the game between throwing people on your mines and throwing yourself onto them and suiciding. Building a dagon or a dragon lance just to make your teammates rage is also pretty fun. He's also a solid choice against melee, but I agree he's not like some ace up a pros sleeve or anything.

Main or die.

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Nice thread

Dota is an ASSFAGGOTS, what kind of changes did you expect exactly?

Remember the thread topic! We can fight this!

Can't have a good discussion if you're blatantly biased. No doubt you're going to cry like a little bitch when someone says "there are none" and say something distinctly retarded like "that's not real discussion" or "that's not the point of this thread".

You know why ASSFAGGOTS is such a good description? Because it describes the game they all descended from, the gameplay, the player base and the devs.

Suck my fat dick, OP. The game is shit and always will be shit. It's dumbed down casual garbage appealing to the lowest common denominator.

burrhurt :^)

Something with other maps so that heroes can be better on some maps than on others, competitive picking pools instead of 'lol just pick whatever', something to push the genre in a positive direction instead of adding gimmicks, refining what's there instead of hard-balancing it every patch.

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Real convincing argument dude

You've never played it then have you?

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Nobody who hates DotA has ever played it or they were stupid cunts and lost friends because of it because they can't handle playing games without getting super pissed off at everything.

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I've played a few thousand games of dota. I mainly play with these asians from California that always invite me to their group. Once you're playing in "high"/"very high" skill games most of the complaints people have are solved. By that point everyone knows their shit, people don't mind filling in roles on the team, the communication is good, no one rages.

Trips of truth.

What's the appeal of ASSFAGGOTS?
Honest question. I don't get the strategy of them, and they don't take much in the lines of reflex skill or complex controlls.

Might as well have just made it a dota porn thread if you wanted it to stay somewhat on topic.

lol what a beta

Can't tell if bait or being serious. Probably bait

Back to the Overwatch cancer thread.

Dota is a strategy game primarily. The primary enjoyment in dota for me is the feeling of truly out-thinking your opponent.

Your team composition and picks are vital and change each game.
Your item choices are also vital and change each game.

From here I could write many paragraphs on team movement, smoke ganks etc.. but it's all about out-smarting the enemy.

You can blame other things than your own incompetence as the reason you lose, such as your allies and picks. They are also filtered down RPG experiences, giving you the full experience of grinding, getting loot, making a build, ganking and guild PVP in a condensed 20-60 minute game. Each hero gets an ultimate giving them a chance to do something super special in a fight even if they otherwise suck at the game. They've attached a cash shop that uses flashy light and colours to get you to pay money and feel like you earned things.

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DotA's merits are few and inbetween. It's mainly a timewaster to fill an hour with a quick match and make your blood pressure rise.

Not exactly. Backdooring is no longer a thing because IceFrog is a faggot. Used to be that Sieging was a thing (where you could attack towers and rax without clearing the rest of the lane first) but that got removed too.

It helps that DotA 2's MMR system is total fucking trash. If one retard feeds up a storm and finds innovative ways to get allies killed, everyone on the team loses the same amount of MMR. This makes it really hard to climb up the ladder unless you manage to carry your team very consistently.

You're full of shit. DotA was one of the less fun maps that existed. Even in the AoS genre, I have had much more fun playing shit like perSonas (or Arkana after they broke those maps) than playing fucking DotA. The trouble is that AAA games tend to be even uncreative derivative shit which makes DotA look good by comparison. DotA 2 is uncreative derivative shit too, for that matter. IceFrog's DotA itself is derivative shit where he fucked with Guinsoo's DotA and made it sound like he invented a thing. DotA has had a long list of makers and updaters.

You can still do oddball builds. I've carried with damn near every int hero, played carries as hard supports, built dagon on riki (orb of venom, diffusal, ethereal, dagon 5), built necronomicon on Slardar, built Divine Rapiers on a lotta heroes, etc. etc.

It stops getting interesting after a while though. Heroes of Newerth is sooner going to give you chances to amuse yourself with unconventional shit than DotA will because they actually tried to innovate here and there, but they fucked themselves up the ass by trying to turn HoN into LoL 2.0 and pissing off their userbase. HoN wasn't that good either, tbh, but it offers more variety than DotA.

This guy hit the nail on the motherfucking head. DotA is frequently a buildup with no payoff. The presence of retardation means that you have games where you get steamrolled, games where you easily steamroll the enemy, and games where you both have enough fucking klutz shit that you somehow eked a win, but few games where you felt like you legitimately did well, had fun, and were challenged to excel.

The fun gets sucked out hard. The funky meta doesn't particularly help.

IceFrog chain-nerfed Suicide by the way. That used to be Techies's ultimate and it did a ton more damage before IceFrog got his hands all over DotA. Then he lowered the damage, added retarded cooldowns to Suicide to punish Suicide heavy builds (can't do it often no more), made the full damage aoe tiny (so you have to be in melee range to work it, making it easy to miss), wrecked the partial damage larger aoe (it does crap damage), ruined Techies's movement speed to make Suiciding difficult as fuck, and added shit like not being able to stack landmines in the same place to make it harder to do full kill mine combos. He also nerfed Stasis Ward something fierce. Remember when it was a 6 second AoE stun? And for some reason he gave Techies absolutely craptastic autoattack damage so he can't even lane for shit.

IceFrog basically hated Techies and tried to nerf him into being non-viable.

Cry me a river faggot.

Sorta. Techies can place mines on top of ramps and his aghs lets his minefield sign make his mines invisible to truesight. Also with aghs he can just throw remote mines into a teamfight as a high damage aoe, but they nerfed the range on that because reasons. Basically when Techies flirts with viability IceFrog nerfs him again.

One is the amount of combinations to fuck around with assuming you aren't an uncreative shit like 99% of the players out there who will flip their shit and try to report you if you aren't following their meta and playing the way they want you to play your hero. Another is the endless MMR grind in hope of reaching the mythical holyland where you no longer have to put up with shitters (but you need to break 5K MMR for that, lel). And the last is that it's a game that can be played in 1 hour bursts.

What, like, in Euls Dota? I can't even remember techies in that. That game was so close to being great. They just needed a way to fix dumping all your money into one person. Like, being able to give gold to your ally to buy key items was a cool idea, but dumping all your gold on the one guy was just dumb.

The tele-gankers was great and even the shitty lich had a place.

Ssshhhut up. Go derail someone else's thread.

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I think so. His suicide did fuckhuge damage. I remember playing DK with like 6 mantas and covering the enemy in 61 flying dragons while I rushed their throne. That shit got boring after a while too.

That said DotA was never the best of the AoS genre. It was simply the most popular.

Dude, you're a colossal faggot, and you'll stay a colossal faggot. I have no idea what you were hoping for but DotA is a lazy as fuck shit game. I have much more fun playing fucking Sokoban than DotA.

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elaborate how would some hero be better on some maps that other? those that can over terrain don't care. those with natural blink spell don't care. those with good movespeed don't care. vision? wards exist, scouting exist. hell, they even added a scan function.

the previous major tournament had only like 5 or so heroes unpicked. It's hard to have a "competitive picking pool" when almost every hero is a viable choice.

make a real team. play captains mode. they stated adding weekly tourney but being jews you have to buy a participation ticket

elaborate. and 6.88 came out as a whisper.

git gud. stop bitching.

okay have fun goodbye now!!!!!111

This is my main problem with Valve is that their flat management system means the only thing that gets attention is the thing that's popular. A good, yet old game will be neglected to the point that it dies because the developers stopped caring. Nevermind the fact that CS:GO and TF2 bring in millions every week.

I gave up because playing Dota for 12 hours a day wasn't good for me.

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Requires more skill than any game you have/will play in your entire life

And now you know why this is the case. If the brazilian slum children are fine with the games' state and keeps spending money on it, they don't have any incentive to fix them. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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TF2's development team of 20 can't exactly match Dota 2's development team of 150+ when it comes to porting it to a new engine, or fixing major performance problems.

Maybe they can, but that would mean over a year of no new official content.

Why did you sage?

Is it still 150+? I thought they were on skeleton mode at this point like TF2, they barely release anything but game balance, cosmetics and events at this point.

why can't he?

I'm just asking why.

because this thread just reeks of 12 year olds and summerfags

also this

The only development team we have some level of confirmation of is the TF2 team, which is approximately 20.

I'm assuming the Dota 2 team is very populated because it's got so much attention. Maybe some day all Valve games will run on Source 2. I know they still update the engine for old games like Half-Life 1 to work on modern resolutions with modern video cards, they just need to do it with their more popular games.

Oh Ok. Glad you stopped by. Goodbye now!

this is now a dub thread

Your butthurt amuses me.

So anybody excited for the International?

I am.

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First place gets at least 2 million dollars a player.
Holy shit what a time to be alive.

I can't wait for the tears to flow no matter who wins.

W-what if Dendi w-wins?

World peace I'm sure

OG is just gonna stomp everyone as usual.

He's been waiting for so long. Also first person to win TI twice.

Why the fuck would I play ASSFAGGOTS when I can play a better game like pic related?

Same reason you'd be butthurt enough to enter a thread about something you don't like. To cause grief.

You can use twitchls.com to use the HTML 5 twitch stream. For me it works way better than the flash one.

Any MP game where the matches last more than 10 mins is shit.
Prove me wrong.

Honestly cyka blyat will forever be cancer in Dota 2

Sage goes in all fields.

No, you fucking faggot, I am merely presenting an objectively better game in hopes of making you realize how shit is your taste.

It changes the dynamic of how the game plays. A bigger map with more towers could make someone good at pushing towers more worthwhile since you need that power to take down many many turrets. Or they might be worse, since you just bank on big creep waves and carry potential. On the flip side a small map favours team fighters and early pushers. Can you imagine playing a game where you're feeding your gold to the guy with the AoE clear instead of a carry? I draw a lot of this from RTS. Taking Starcraft (BW) for example, smaller maps are more prone to rushing, tighter on resources and lend some favour to slower ground armies, while big, weaving maps favoured faster units or even let airs mobility to play into it. The problem when applying this to current Dota is heroes aren't designed with this in mind, and thus doesn't have polarizing hero design.

Look, I get the argument for the 'every hero gets picked', but you also have to ask how many of those heroes won the game, and how many were consistently on the losing side. But if you have these polarizing hero picks with niche or gamechanging roles then you can have a smaller 'balanced' pool of say 40 heroes for a single tournament. What heroes are in is announced weeks before the tournament begins allowing players to come up with their own idea of what to play, leading to a scrappier but potentially more diverse tournament. A tournament pool that has a limited number of carries with specific counters could result in a wider variety of playstyles.

When I say gimmicks, I mean shit like aghs.

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Who are you rooting for to win TI?

Basically you either carry with disables to make the enemy's best players useless (yay doom) or go for fast earlygame strats (pushstrat or superfast ganking, take your pick) to end the game and start snowballing before the enemy team ever hits their stride. The basic rule of the game is to control the flow of the game and never let the enemy team hit their stride. Idiots who play to their own hero's "default" build are the ones who always get skullfucked and are the most at the mercy of random luck.

But yeah, random shitters will really cramp your style. Basically never go support and never go hard carry unless you can snowball really fucking fast. Pick the heroes with an aggressive earlygame and a strong lategame and/or tons of disables. This is also why heroes like Silencer make great carries. He might not always be the hardest hitting carry but he can gank competently and snowballs hard while making the enemy team break down during fights. With one Moon Shard he'll typically clear out the enemy's biggest threats before his ult is over.

Never be the dumbfuck busy in lane and woods until he's useful while his team dies. Pick better heroes than that. Build your heroes with faster items than that. Don't prioritize survival items before your damage. Being able to kill shit and maybe die is better than not dying and being useless. Become useful as fast as possible. Don't be afraid to build cheap items like Bracers and Ring of Aquila. Ring of Aquila is an amazing item for agi heroes for a reason. It's cheap damage, stats, armor, and mana regen.

Even with all that, the game is boring though because you will rarely have games where you feel like you are excelling until you break into like 5K MMR. Most of the time you either lose to shitters, win against shitters, or win despite your team's shitters without feeling accomplished.

Are you that fucking braindead?

It is ok, user. We know that you are too fucking retarded to control more than one unit, but we still forgive you.

Hahaha look I broke him so hard he went straight into denial and created a strawman about a completely different genre that has no relation to DotA.

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I suppose you never played Meepo or Arc Warden or Chen or Enchantress or anyone with a Helm of the Dominator.

You seem like a noob shitter, mate.

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You must have quoted the wrong person, since I am making fun of him for comparing DotA to RTS when the games have nothing in common. Either way you shouldn't reply to him with anything but ridicule. He's an angry little kid who can't handle that people like something he doesn't. He might as well be angry about fighting games not playing like FPS or something.

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I gave up on this game last month and I curse my friends that invited me into this game.

I am currently sitting at 3.9-4.1k mmr and this place is just fucking hell. Every game I am forced to support because even if I first pick carry my team proceeds to pick 4 more carries. But for some reason it is only ever my team that does this shit.

And the worst is my team is constantly sleeping. You blink in and stun a enemy? To bad your slark has to sit afk next to a full hp creep waiting to last hit it. don't mind the lion that just blinked in to stun the SF who is about to get stunned a second time.

Just a pain in the ass.

This retard is so hard in denial he doesn't even remember what people wrote. Holy shit.

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Fuck off back to reddit

No I very much quoted the right person. I meant you, dumbass.

Yeah people think that 4K mmr is where good players appear but really you need to get all the way to fucking 5K to start escaping the shitters.

DotA MMR is fucking garbage.

Who's hype?

Only in the most superficial sense. The overall metagame has gotten much more nuanced

Yes, that's why the teams that play as a team and put glory aside for victory are the ones that do best. Quit focusing on pubs and get a good team to play with.

The problem with 4k is that it is filled with people who think they are the best dota players. That's why they all pick carry. They are told that the only way to win is by picking carry and carrying your noob team. They managed to get out of 3k and think they are the best.

4k is worse than low priority.

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Yes, that addition of tower regen has really improved the game. And those nerfs to Techies, oh man, the DIMENSION. The most "interesting" shit DotA has added are noob heroes like Legion Commander with ez gank and snowballing mechanics.

Fucking no one you stupid shit. If you think DotA is a spectator sport you fucking suck at playing games.

Also fucking no one understands the principle of working like a team. They only understand dogpiling and spreading out so far you can't teamfight properly. Playing initiators with those guys is cancer. It seems like most players only understand how to crowd so much they get aoe'd easily or spread so far apart they can't actually contribute to a teamfight in time.

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High skill ceiling,diverse cast of well designed heroes, impactful items, good pro scene, good core mechanics and stages of the game.

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smh. w/e fam. i'm outta here tbh

That's right. Go home, lassie. Men are talking here.

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Good thread OP.

This is why no one likes talking to you

But user, watching pro dota is fun

I only mentioned the techies shit before, dumbfuck. Your memory is that bad, eh?

Only if you feel a burning need to remove the gameplay from a game and reduce it to television.

Then your post is retarded and makes no sense since I never said anything that would prompt a response like that. I mean if you want to be seen as retarded instead of being wrong then be my guest.

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Wow, you really are dense. Okay: You were ridiculing him for suggesting DotA involves controlling more than one hero, which indicates that you're not very good at the game.

Get it?

The same result could be gotten by just increasing the gold reward for destroying towers.

Consider the following, on the same, relatively unchanged, "boring" map, we've had a meta of splitpushing tinkers and nature prophets, a meta of deathballing mid, a meta of insta-nuke carry casters, and ultra late game hard carries.

and your examples already came and went. The lesh meta was a prime example of feeding the guy with an AoE clear instead of a traditional auto-attack carry.

The heroes are polarizing in design. Huskar and brood are examples of good only in specific situations. Huskar is good provided you have someone who can keep you alive and the enemy doesn't have a pure damage source. Broodmama can end up feeding gold instead of dominating her lane if the enemy has a decent aoe.

And what kind of person WANTS a company to dictate how the game is to be played. Which by the way, also exist in the form of captain's draft and elimination mode. The former randomizes which heroes are available to be drafted. The latter prevents teams from picking heroes they already used in a previous game.

I don't think you've remotely touched the game.

Compediums are cancer.

While the game is rather balanced, it is obvious that there are better alternatives when playing most heroes.

I wish this game would update and balance it so heroes could do a bit more different things, like a brewmaster being able to offlane solo, or a silencer being able to carry a bit better.

my god that picture, I hope you die from cancer.

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Do you do nothing but shitpost about videogames all day, user? Don't you read? Or watch? Or work?

I'm not playing dota 24/7 and the international only comes once a year. You can learn a lot from watching pros, and understanding the game being played at its highest level is itself an appreciation.

Yeah, I'd like to see the low-tier heroes lifted up into at least mid; it'd be cool to see techies again

Get rekt, nyx is the bee's knees

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Chess/Football/the other Football/pretty much anything with a ball/board games - and most importantly: a pretty bad argument you've got there.

Yeah, terrible. Except that you don't have to spend a single cent on the game and still get every hero, every item and everything else that impacts gameplay.

Has nothing to to with it being a team game and this happens in no other genre.

LoL might get hurt, but Dota is pretty much an island that doesn't care about things happening elsewhere.

All in all good job, user. Three paragraphs and not a single good point.

They broke that by giving Lesh's edict a ridiculous cast time. Then they nerfed his E's damage and just added a slow to compensate. It used to be that lesh could chase kills down with edict for massive damage. Once they added the cast time that wasn't really happening anymore.

Silencer had a lovely movespeed nerf and nerf to his Q on top of that. You can compensate a bit with a wind lace or just rushing a Rod of Atos though. But if you get Rod of Atos you can't prevent escape abilities without using your ultimate. Which in turn makes Sheepstick an option for Silencer but then you need fat damage to kill someone before it fades off and once they get BKBs or purges that shit won't last either.

Don't kid yourself. They deliberately tried to make Silencer less effective.

Not really. Morons try to copy that shit 24-7 without realizing that their own metas are vastly different. Play to your meta, not whatever the fuck you saw pros do.

Pretty sure that the days were you could easily make money with some creative trading are over.

Once they get BKBs or purges Atos won't last either, I mean. Sheepstick works better. But you'll need a Moon Shard next to flatten someone while they're down.

In case you haven't noticed these items give silencer an annoying fucking buildup.

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Good example, user. Other than that it's a bit strange that you seem to think a good discussion only works if all participants have the exact same opinion.

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Silencer is still effectively a good ganking hero / carry.

But late game his health pool is so low he can't withstand other carries, becoming a glass cannon.

Normally what I focus on his glaives, nothing on his dot since its garbage and get attack speed while roaming kills for INT once I get my shadow blade.

It's like playing as pudge but you hit like OD and you get stronger with every kill.

Since he can hit hard without items, you can just focus on attack speed and health to become very strong.

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Please quote where I stated that.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. That user was pointing out how interesting it would be to feed the aoe clear. I was pointing out that during the Lesh meta, they did feed the guy with the aoe clear.

The nerf to edict was in 6.75. They sped it up again in 6.79 and he was first ban once 6.81 came around. The lightning slow allowed him to insta win mid and it made setting up into split earth easy.

He didn't have to chase down kills, he could just slow into stun them.

Use to be huge into dota2 but have not played for a year almost, whats new? I know TI6 is going on (I was there in person for TI2 and it was great)

If Dendi wins ArtStyle wins as well. Don't forget about the hallowed one.

Pretty sure you'd rather have Russians than Peruvians in your team.

Ever considered that those people might actually be just as good/bad as you are?

100% true. Peruvians are the fucking worst. With their fucking JAJAJAJAJAJA spic shit, fucking makes my blood boil.

The only Merit DOTA2 has are the Custom Games.

I've put 2,000 hours into the game without touching the regular game since I know I'm bad and would get stomped by people who played the original, and the game isn't nearly entertaining enough outside of customs to even bother gitting gud in that shit lane phase.

In fact, I can't do lane phase in ARTS/MOBA/TEABAGS. It never works since I'll inevitably go on a feeding spree, and if I don't, I'll be malnourished since the enemy will be a last hitting calculator, either literally(bots) or figuratively (someone with 5000 more hours and wins than me as my opponent due to shit MM) Give me a hero arena or some tower defense though? Good to go.

You mean the guy who last picks wk into a 4 carry team and then goes jungle is as good as I am? No mate, I never end up being level 4 7 mins into the game with no items. I also don't rush a naked bf on pa with nothing else than brown boots. And when I pick support I don't steal last hits or do bullshit like single pulls that only end up pushing the lane. I also stack camps for my carries, which no support ever does for me when I pick sven. And now that I am talking about sven.

Also, now that I am talking about sven, do you realize how many of those guys rush hotd only to never stack a single camp? If you didn't plan on stacking camps using a dominated creep you didn't have to rush hotd.

I can say for sure that I am not as bad as the others.

I wish the custom maps actually had cutsom character models, theres hardly any games with that stuff.

I just want a zombie survival game with the marine and zombies.

or island troll tribes, or sheep tag atleast.

i played this after being away from it for like 6 months and my game consisted of a spanish speaking SF that was dc'd for 4 minutes before connecting and feeding and 2 guys I already had muted

I do not plan on playing another game

The only one I've seen is Bleach VS One Piece, and it's horribly balanced fun with only 7 viable characters and not enough bans to go around to stop them from squeaking through. Models vary from Warcraft 3 era to "surprisingly nice quality" for being weebshit battle arena

Custom models just take too long to be feasible in the eyes of the public, I guess? The custom games scene isn't nearly as prolific as it was in War3. Guess it's because DOTA2's game creator is shit compared to Warcraft's own..

the master of strategy

I'm glad I grew up from it and all other ASSFAGGOTS shit.

Well when I think of character models n stuff, I assume its just like modding with a TES game.

and TES games just pump out stupid different looking visuals for characters n stuff.
I assume it's a bit harder with dota 2, but its suprising how long its taking to see anything good.

It's like people only care for the 10v10 dota, winter wraith night or pudge wars. the custom game community just feels like utter shit comapred to WC3

The only games I know with great change in models was this boat game, naval warfare I think its called

and this korean custom game. With like a lot of women models and demons.

Defense of the Shrines

Because 10v10 was pushed by Valve, as was Overthrow. If Valve did a better job of saying "HEY THESE GAMES ARE GREAT" without relying on the usual few games, it'd be a bigger deal.

The custom community IS utter shit compared to Warcraft 3 in most cases too, since if you stray from Pudge Wars/DOTA IMBA/Wraith Night/10v10 bullshit…

No reason to stray into the shit stew if you can get English teammates. Still no IP ban per region even for customs..

Wait is navi good again?!

Hahahaha no.

Miraculously, yes. They can't beat OG or Liquid for the life of them, but they do very well against everyone else. Easily top 6 in the world right now.

The depth IceFrog has created in Dota 2's roster and item design is fucking excellent.

Playing a good captain's mode with a 5 stack is probably the most stressful and rewarding thing I can think of in video games.

That said, the game is not meant to be played solo queue All Pick. I don't think enough people appreciate this fact.

Do you think warcraft 3 custom maps are still being updated? I'd rather just play the originals if dota 2 is gonna just be shit with em.

Fuck you dota

Some are.
Some aren't.

Then there's also the fact that 99% of Warcraft 3 rooms are still fucking JUST DOTA or DOTACLONES, so it might not be worth it.

MOBAs and Digital Cardgames are the stuff that is killing vidya with all the shitty esports they end up creating.

I think esports will soon die. The established ones like dota lol or cs will be popular, but how many torunaments, streams or whatever, of new moba games have you seen? hots failed, overwatch is just a casual shooter, no game has been able to replicate the amount of money dota gets, for example.
Soon, devs will stop throwing money to that, in fact they are already doing something different, tf clones which are in no way esport material

You need to adjust your role. Try being a support since you can't lasthit; that way you just have to harass the enemy laner, pull creeps, ward, buy items and such.
Don't let the label discourage you; supports can often be the most fun and decisive roles in a match

Point me to the "how to pull creeps since the single time I play a real DOTA match a year and get fucking frustrated, the pull timers are always fucking different."

I'm in such a low bracket I get whiners that complain that it's my fault that they died since I went to pull lane..which they'd bitch at me about if I wasn't in lane sucking their dick.

I've already given up on normal DOTA2, and customs work better for me.

video games have not significantly changed how theyre played in the past 10 years

why do you think soccer is so popular? team games will always be popular because you can pretend your team failed you and not because you're a piece of shit

That shit ended. Valve made practically everything non-marketable unless you bought it with cash. Plus they added gay as fuck delays to selling shit on the market. The player economy on the steam market got fucked hard.

You just build around that. His lategame damage is massive so typically you just build shit like Shiva/Halberd/Heart/OCore (for the glaive leech, health, and cooldown reduction for his ult)/Aghs/Skadi (never really built this one over halberd/heart/ocore, but you could).

Making Silencer tanky is not a problem really.

I've carried loads with Lesh but he basically carries against scrubs since anyone with a BKB just gives no fucks. Lesh needs to do pure damage to become legit carry material. But Lesh does have the benefit of farming up a storm and destroying towers ridiculously fast. With TP boots and maybe an orb of corruption he telepushes like a beast.

I've done that. If my team looks like glass I can do support WK with aghs so we can actually win fights.

Bingo.

Playing a bad 5 stack is even better.

It's always great witnessing a captain without any awareness of strategy. Captains who don't pick any initiators or counter-initiators are cancer too. There's always one motherfucking captain who will be completely fucking silent and pick scrub shit nonstop.

If the AoS is Arkana, I'd consider it. But at least there are other maps like Sheep Tag, Line Tower Wars, Soul Chess, Warlocks, etc.

He needs to fucking git gud or give up.

Then don't watch the clock. Watch the lane.

You poor soul.

First thing you need to do:

Alternatively, pick Bounty Hunter support, roam around and snipe couriers, while picking up intel and guaranteeing your team snowballs using Track.

Hit me up sometime and I can coach you. Steam tag is Nevflinn

I don't really have a choice in terms of the bracket. DOTA2 isn't fun to me minus customs, as I keep parroting. No drive to climb out of the abyss. The -actual- game is too stressful when 4 people are barking at me like howler monkeys if I try to communicate. Any way to mute the chat text too?

Thanks for the offer. I'll consider it. I've got a Hayabusa Feather to get in the meantime.

Easy.
Bam, they can't say shit to you.

Dota is great with friends but shite with shit people. Like anything, really.

A true patrician!

Sure, if you go support wk with aghs I am okay with it. WK is pretty tanky even if the only item he has is blademail.

But what exactly made you think the guy in my game went support wk? No he went for the classic useless wk build. E.g. farming like a noob, going back to base after every camp and since he is a greedy fuck he doesn't even tp back into the jungle but instead walks again. Ends up having no farm or xp.

It's objectively the best game in it's genre.
It has really nice balance which is amazing considering it is balanced by one guy.
It's worst issue is that if you aren't playing with 4 other friends you will have to deal with sub human pieces of shit as team mates who will fuck you 100% of the time taking away all the fun.

I think the success of DOTA is based on how unlike most multiplayer games it has fairly organic pacing that allows you to sink lots of time into it where most multiplayer games have no pacing at all. Don't get me wrong I like fighting games more than DOTA; but, with fighting games as an example you just fight for a minute or two then the game ends and you have to find a new game, the same applies to shooters. With DOTA you start with a minute to take positions than the simple laning phase where you generally just avoid getting ganked while trying to farm or help with farm if support. Around ~12 minutes or so the laning phase ends and teamfighting starts which lasts for the rest of the game however with teamfighting over time the objectives stakes and mechanics change and while you may call teamfighting the main activity there's still lots of other tasks that need doing such as pushing, warding, stacking, farming, baiting, ganking, and shopping. Really what this means is that if someone is feeling out of luck or tired they're far more likely to play another game of DOTA since they are not thrown into the action right away; as well the existence of non combat tasks creates the possibility for sneak attacks and other tactical intrigue. As well DOTA games are very long for a multiplayer game 30-70 minutes and their is a massive amount of characters and they feel surprisingly diverse for the quantity.

That is to say DOTA is popular mostly because it is easy to use a timesink not because of good gameplay, though I would say the gameplay is good.
Have not played for several months though, just got angry at shit teammates. Mains are Mirana and Timbersaw.

Was anyone watching that OG vs LGD series right now? That shit was nuts.

I'd honestly agree. Every match has a sense of tempo that makes it its own story. From the game start to the end of the laning stage to the first siege of the high ground, it's got a very compelling structure to it. Even a bad, frustrating game has at least some conclusion to it.

OG no respect for Alliance and suffering for it. Idiotic. No matter how shit Alliance is their heroes still have the same stats and damage as good players.

I genuinely like the game and think it is among the most well balanced multiplayer games of all time, because even though it can be pretty broken at times it is a miracle that the game is not 100% broken (like it was before Allstars). Each of the heroes feel vastly different from one another and this is a game where you can kill someone in seconds if they're out of position so I'm just surprised that it's balanced enough for a competitive scene to even be a thing. Also it is absurdly overcomplicated compared to any other multiplayer game I've played, which is both a good thing and a bad thing but it would definitely make balance a nightmare.

I don't play it too much anymore because it's only fun when you play with teammates that are at least somewhat likable, and that tends to not be the case with randoms in pubs. It's also important to not play with "muh meta" no fun allowed tryhards, and fortunately my friends don't get buttmad when I do some stupid build like Ethereal Blade on Sniper.

Its hilarious to see a 5-7 kill deficit and then OG just fucking stomps those low tier teams anyway.

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Have you ever wondered why they collect so much data and reports?

i like how people pretend that shit doesnt exist

ur bad

They haven't. In many ways they've degraded. FPS, RTS and even RPG are either dead or dumbed down to the point that they're not fun.

Gee whizz, user, I dunno.

Im amazed how you can (presumably) read so much and still reply with nothing.

Haha

Haha

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Can't wait for more reddit balancing patches after TI, something like huskar can no longer deal damage to enemy heroes and his magic resistance passive is cut in half again

Haha

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Beaten like a little bitch.

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Heh heh heh

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yeah, valve is some sort of shadow government and they own every country and eat kids

like 99.99% of the population would ever care if the matchmaking is actually rigged

This is the fundamental problem of the genre: there are short straws. Nobody wants to spend one in five games sacrificing so four other people can have fun.

what this league fucktard don't under understand why there is no 'pick a role before queue' is because the lanes are not set like fucking league of legends

there is no 'bruiser, middle, adc carry, support, jungle' like league of legends
you can fucking have carry, carry, carry, mid, support
or support, support, offlane, carry, mid
or offlane, mid, support, support, support
or carry, support, mid, jungle, jungle (invading enemy jungle)

that's why there is no 'team builder'

not to mention, any serious game have a banning phase, if you make a team with "offlane, mid, support, support, support" you will fucking very highly likely to need some fucking very specific team selection, something like tinker + x marks the spot

This guy is a fucking retard, and takes fucking 30 minutes to make a shitty fucking argument.

I sure hope he gives some good info on part 3

salty retarded fucking kid
I expected some fucking actually statistics, the faggot just don't understand shit about the game and spends 30 fucking minutes talking slurs and thinking valve would give half a shit about it

Dude.

this tbh fam

There are literally ID's.

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Bumping it to death.

Yeah, there are, colored ones as well. Doesn't mean someone's a samefag because he posts like he has multiple personality disorder.

fuck, I'm retarded

This thread has restored my faith in Holla Forums.

I was posting as I was watching the fucking 30 minutes video, which I even skipped parts of it

the video is shit and makes no good argument the whole 30 minutes of it, mostly being slurs opinions and assuming shit because he is a shitty player and have to shift the blame to protect his frail ego

Shit, that's the opposite of what I'm trying to do.

You also failed to recognize a pretty obvious troll.

I hope you get paid.
Because atleast then you're not acting like a total faggot for free.

I stopped caring about it, I take less time replying to everything than filtering trolls.
also, the off chance of being retarded will always exist

US East 5k ranked is literally unplayable
I wish I could call it an exaggeration to say that ~10% of games played will be actual games of dota while the remaining 90% are simply peruvian roulette of who got the griefing/account buying faggot.

Meanwhile Valve literally encourages boosting and account buying because it makes them more money.

As far as NA goes, this game is literally rapidly dying because of this shit.

Don't worry you're already a 3k EU player, if you try hard enough you'll get to 4k eventually.

Convince me why I should try this game. My experience was everyone wanted me to lose including my own teammates for some fucking reason and the fact that a single bad teammate fucks everything up.

Also which is the easiest hero to pick up I played only Sven when I did but that was circa thee years ago.

You probably palyed like shit if it was your first time, which is normal, thats why everyone hated you

It is supposed to be a team game, one bad player can ruin everything, that's why the best way to play is with at least one other guy. Never solo queue, it is hell

Slark. Slark, then Slark

DotA is like dorf fort in the fact that the first time you play you understand nothing and you probably destroy the game by yourself. Just mute all chat and follow the guides that exist within the game, maybe watch the international or use the in game spectator mode (dont expect anyone to play like that in your games, just see what you can do to play better). Eventually, like in dorf fort, you will be able to solo carry games more often than you lose and you will be able to learn what mistakes you made from watching your own replays.

in before whining babies saying dota is easymode.

What are the best matches to watch from yesterday?

It's fun.

The worst thing about Dota is that it does a shit, shit job at explaining itself. Where other games would have a singleplayer campaign or a good challenge system to encourage you to figure everything out, you have to learn everything yourself. That means dealing with a system that seems like it has more rules than exceptions.

With that in mind, go fiddle around in the Demo mode with heroes and items before you play against bots or other people. It's Dota's equivalent of a training room.
Mute everyone if you're playing in a lower tier bracket.
Experiment with playstyles. If you're not enjoying farming or lasthitting, go play a support so you can kick ass without items.
Juggernaut is the best starting hero, in my opinion; his kit is very easy to pick up with a respectable skill ceiling, he can push the pace of the game and never need to go back to the fountain, thus teaching you why it's so valuable to stay on the field and farm from lanes/creeps/join teamfights/push objectives/take Roshan rather than waste valuable minutes. That kind of tempo helps you outscale your enemy, which is what Dota is about.
After that, Windrunner is great for learning ranged carries and skillshots, since she follows a similar tempo.
For supports, Witch Doctor and Vengeful Spirit are great starters, with Crystal Maiden being a good intermediate one to transition to.

And remember. Relax, you're doing fine.

I think the trick is to practice a hero until you stomp bots with it while staring at the minimap. Then mute everybody, including your own team, and have fun dumpstering the shitstains.

Low apm carries that can farm jungles quickly and solo kill are the best to pick. You want to embrace the solo autism because you'll be buying the wards, couriers, dust, and avoid being dragged into retarded fights.

I did this with Luna last weekend and had fun. I won a couple, lost one, and had a leaver, but I never had a bad time playing my game.

Practicing the heroes was the most frustrating thing. Getting last hits is why I settled on Luna with aura first. I tried several heroes for hours before I settled. I'm still trying to figure out how to get into the jungle quickly and efficiently. Luna has the bouncing blades to speed this up which is also why I picked her, but she needs more damage I think. This drove me to just roaming and killing other players until I could farm the jungle easily.

I am hovering at 3.5k solo just don't have the will to climb I recently dropped 500 from 4k and don't know what to spam to climb.

Mostly just messing around on int ranked. Huskar/dazzle seems to be a easy gg combo.

>Getting shadowblade + treads 11 mins in as a Jungling Shadow fiend.

Sniper is also a good jungling hero now.
His sharpnel is better then alchs acid spray.

Any ranged hero can jungle ever since they added that iron talon. I mean shit, a ton of melee heroes can jungle now.

I feel like most melee heroes aren't so good at it, you can get hurt so much that you either need to plan on killing yourself to save time.

Or just buying salves to avoid running back to fountain. With ranged heroes I don't even need a tango, it just seems better with ranged in general when experimenting.

Goddamnit OG stop picking Naga. Don't make me want you to lose.

Doom 2 deaths in 4 minutes

Guess what? The genre is shit. I don't believe it can be done well. I spent several thousand hours in dota2 and it attracts scum. The community is scum, the gameplay is unrefined, and together it's one of the most embarassing cultures videogaming has. Dont pretend you have any taste if you play ASSFAGGOTS

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i'm glad you stupid faggots play it, it's funny to me

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Lmao

:^)

Holy shit this kid is mad as hell

Rofl

Holy shit this kid is mad as hell

I can tell you learned your bm from dota2, it's positively pedestrian.

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Pretending what do you think? I'm strictly insulting you

in the end you're just a slut for cock

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It's a shit pub meme that is no substitute for good lanes and supports who know how to actually play the laning stage across the whole map. Please reconsider, unless you're Chen or Enchantress.

I actually spend most of my games as a support.
Also I like to offlane as enchantress.

theres more to jungling then being AFK and getting farmed user.

Like, I could even jungle as shadow demon and become a 3rd support. I could be doom bringer and make supportive items that stack with his auras.

jungling offers EXP to other lanes without another person sharing it.

Yawn.

I want NS to stalk my ass

why are navi so dumb again?

You're not strictly 'jungling' then. You say that term and what comes to mind is stupidly greedy LC and Naix players who want 4-core lineups

I have no clue, they were playing much better than this before. They're a very emotional team whose performance hinges on their confidence. They must be feeling the TI6 jitters and that's the only explanation I have for this.

Strictly jungling? it's still jungling, I am farming for gold while not taking any from any other lanes and get the quick EXP so I can gank early.

Like what most axe players should do or other jungling heroes that don't want to carry.

Legion commander gets a bad reputation because all the shitters do with her is jungle, and blink in expecting the team to do the damage while she gets the last hit.

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As expected, the lack of an Invoker mid is destroying OG.

i thought le 9k arab plays invoker?

Yes.

is ayesee still casting?

Who?

o no

Personally I quit playing it after a friend gifted me Overwatch.
It's equally frustrating and boring, but at least I have to spend only 4-5 minutes per game with retards (instead of 40-50).

+asses in latex
+I don't have to deal with cheeki breekis and huehueniggers.

I'm sorry if it sounded like a blizzard shilling, I just wanted to shit on dota.

Sven, the saddest carry alive.

I'll put it this way. It's very common for Crystal Maiden to grab herself a creep using frostbite every minute in between her lane supporting, warding and rotations. That doesn't mean CM is jungling, nor does it make her a jungler.

You're using the status quo to describe the ideal, which is bound to confuse people.

Nyx agh are fun. You can solotank Juggernaut agh-ulty.

wow navi stink atm

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Na'vi stink, EG are good, OG are good but being beaten by surprise opponents, pinoys and koreans are cleaning house, pic related is not relevant and china is miles better than it was last year

This group stage is nuts

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It is very obvious, too. The wait times alone should be a giveaway. All they need is latency and MMR to make a match, but there's something else going on when you wait 5-10 minutes for every match.

It's eye opening to consider that multiplayer games aren't playing it straight. Even though they show you some sort of rank, they're still a black box. It also makes more sense for these F2Ps to make as much money as possible by manipulating the matchmaking.

I will never understand slavs, guys

Or maybe some people just can't stand assfaggots.

suka blyat

i want navi magic to return

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delusional

Is this the way you bitch about losing an argument?
A lot of people will concede Dota has flaws. In this very thread you've people recognising the flaws of past metas, how horrible it is at introducing and explaining its mechanics to people. Some arguments have been met with counterarguments that aren't unfounded, and it is folly to assume the complainer is always right.

Is this your idea of bait?

Dota doesn't need to compete with anything (not even SocialJusticeWatch). Dota's in its own little world, and doesn't have to worry about other ASSFAGGOT games. HoTS tried to kill Dota, and failed. That should tell you something. That said…

Have you noticed out of tourneys, Dota is almost dead on Twitch out of Russians playing it? Unless someone like Arteezy or SingSing are on, no one even watches tryahrds like Waga and Purge.

Sometimes I want to come back to Dota whenever they release Pit Lord, but I just can't stand the game in its current state, and the community involved. Meta is fucking horrible (almost as painful as LoL's meta), compendiums are cancer like another user said, and I really hate the lack of trading.

I also can't stand the "Dota celebs." I can't take any of them seriously when they make as many stupid mistakes as typical pub in a game, yet they think they're gods (Purge, Sheever, Flax, Waga, lolArteezy); then you have guys like Baumi and Slacks that really make Dota unwatchable with their faggotry (Slacks killed any interest I had in the TI).

I don't even think Pit Lord can make me want to play Dota these days.

Oh, if you played like that, then yeah that ain't jungling.

I have been strictly jungling either way, I'd go shadow demon if I wanted to be a support jungler.

get myself some exp, if they push the lane out a bit I'd go out and gank.
Get the kill, help the lane, go back to jungling.