Whatever your nick is… nazi propaganda did not start as a meme on 4chan, it was a briganding effort. Just like nazbol memes now aren't some sort of super ironic 'we get it but they don't' joke by the left (even though some of your cadre are most certainly enjoying it); they're the original propaganda of the fucking nazi parti, as they were specifically trying to adopt the language of the communists and socialists to try and appeal to the workers and 'common people' while adopting economically nothing but capitalist policies. What the fuck are you fruits talking about at this point. Stormfront brigaded the shit out of 4chan back then, and yes the original old fucks of that day were not right wring retards, they were apathetics - as in, fuck you all, nihilistic, but they weren't nazis. Nazism did not arise on the chans as some sort of 'we took the joke too far kids', it was a massive propaganda campaign, and only by later generations did it it seem like some sort of natural action-reaction issue.
Your memes did not make it. Just like your fucking nazbol memes today are not 'creating' confused comrades walking around thinking there is a "leftist racism path" to fight "capitalism" without ever doing anything but thinking 'ethnicity solidarity will make the capitalist not exploit me'. This is the original fucking propaganda of the old capitalist (and before that - royalist) sympathiser little shits as they were trying to confuse the rabble that had awoken to the fact that the fuckers above them were fucking them all over and killing them off for nothing in wars over nothing but accumulation of more wealth for themselves at the expense of everyone else.
It wasn't a joke taken too far, you fucking retard.
How the fuck is that relevant to it not being a joke taken too far but a legitimate brigading effort after user back in the day pissed off the wrong group of autistic semi establishment backed retards (stormfront)?
Jackson Cook
Unsurprising tbh, truly the eternal newfag.
Jeremiah Bennett
Next time try my comment section instead of shitting up the board.
If you're right 4pol though, fair enough, but I mean you cant deny Egoism around here got popular in the way I described. Hell, even outside of this board. I shit you not, I've met a girl at uni who called herself an egoist and first got into it from memes on fb, that ofc originated from here.
Juan Garcia
I'd say shitting up the internet and literally eating up and regurgitating stormcuck propaganda is worse. He is, it's not up for debate and if you weren't allergic to walls of text you would have seen it on the image describing what happened that's posted here every other day.
Levi Fisher
It dosnt matter what I do, OP is still a faggot regardless. I'm not even admitting to 'regurgitating stormcuck propaganda ' here.
I'm just saying I dont really know or even care enough about the history of 4pol to debate it, so I'm just gonna say if he's right that's fine and I was wrong…how can you take that as me even trying to debate or not reading what he said?
Why are you so angry?
Luis Moore
Meh, I'm a Stirnerfag, but you're right to some degree. I think you forget there were one or two who were legit serious about it. It's no where near what it is now, though.
Aiden Mitchell
Why are you?
Hunter Adams
Because you ignore an active agent in a power play and are trying to explain it through some 'organic natural occurance that has no origin', you might aswell be Thom Hartmann at that point.
Levi Cox
Fucking hell, what a stupid faggot you are.
Hunter Green
It's not ignoring it if I didnt even know it existed. And it's not like this must be the most common knowledge around because no one on the podcast bought it up either. In fact, some told me OP's flat out wrong, so apparently it is up for debate. Again though, I dont really know, and I care even less. It was just shit posting on a live stream.
Jace James
You genuinely belong on reddit. Go there. Fuck off and never come back.
Logan Nguyen
That's fine, but I am the OP and I'm telling you straight up you're wrong. The gradual propagandizing of the chans into far right ideology was not some sort of 'reaction' to taking memes and jokes too seriously, nor was it an extreme reaction to an extreme opposite. It was a brigading campaign. It had an active agent, that spammed the shit out of everyone, with a set goal. That later channers were brought in, saw this, and thought it was a natural action or reaction somehow - makes sense, but it wasn't the reality.
Including this in your 'reality perspective' is essentially propogating stormfront talkingpoints whether you understand it or not.
"we're only so bad because communists exist"
Elijah Garcia
Funny that being wrong, being surrounded by people who are wrong, and being wrong together on a livestream you care enough to make but not enough to not be wrong on is what you've become known for by anyone that knows your name on Holla Forums.
Daniel Nelson
You're just repeating what you said in the OP. I already responded to that saying, fine, if that's how it is, then I was wrong, congrats, it really wasnt worth a thread though. I'm not an expert on 4pol history, what I said in the stream was just what I've been told in the past.
You guys can start making arguments any time though.
Landon Roberts
I mean are you really trying to have a go at me for not knowing enough about the history of an image board of all things?
Jace Morgan
Egoism is the most stupid thing ever,(The Meme Version) the only genuine people who have interest in Stirner are people within the post left, and i havent seen any post-left around here except me and n1x. Just fucking ask any Stirnerite wich person is responsible for making Max Stirner known and not forgotten like someone like Karl Schmidt from the young hegelians. Protip! It aint Karl Marx.
Also Muke and Space the outright ignorance on anarchism is outright cringe worthy and a ridiculous display of ignorance to call anarchists council communists. Go see your local Profesional Revolutionary for re-indoctrination.
Cooper Gray
t. failed eceleb who wouldn't give a shit if an argument was posted because "its jus a shitpost online who cares if im right or wrong thats just your opinion and im entitled to mine and if you dont like it youve got a lot of growing up to do xD"
Delete your account, you twiggy little tumor.
Elijah Diaz
The history of which is posted here nigh on every fucking day.
Ryan Thompson
Haha, yes! Epic troll! Now fuck off to the one site that still makes that joke.
Ayden Hall
Are we shitting on kekizy today?
Jayden Jones
Yea I am just repeating my argument, but it sure as fuck isn't useless, and I disagree, I think it was worth a thread. I have nothing against you personally, but if you keep buying into shit arguments that makes it seem like people who are fucking things up are just people who took a joke too far, and the elite or establishment (when it concerns you locally, I'm sure you wouldn't think this way if we were talking about political opinion and movements in south america, eastern europe, etc.) have nothing to do with anything then what the fuck. What kind of a revolutionary are you?
Oh, this entire board happened to get shit up and sold all their user date to whoever has the most money, and the government agencies… oh this (if you're a redditor, I assume you are) this subreddit happened to get taken over by people who - ignoring all the bullshit, happened to end up filtering out everything that went against current empire propaganda… oh this newssite happen to only report nowadays on things that support the current war propaganda…
If you can sit thee, and think "Hey, this shit just happened, randomly, totally, yup…"… What the fuck is wrong with your brain. I mean jesus fucking christ.
You all keep referencing manufacturing consent, 1984, and anything else, but when actually having it shoved in your face you keep falling back to some sort of "oh it's just chance"'.
I don't fucking get it.
Grayson Martinez
Yes, I am.
Oliver Roberts
I've made this point before in a much more structured manner in one of my videos, instead of just saying it in passing on a stream. When I compare anarchism and libertarian Marxism I outright admit I am making the generalisation that anarchists want councils, but that there are many others that dont: youtube.com/watch?v=s_NkMcwP9Wc
You three have every time replied consecutively within a very small time interval. Starting to suspect samefaggotry.
Not what I was saying. The retards that buy into it now dont take it as a joke, but rather the oldfags were joking and the newfags couldnt tell. I mean, you're saying it happened differently to this, but that's just what I was originally saying, again I dont know if this is actually what happened because I wasnt even there, I've just been told what happened by various people.
You're very much over estimating the thought I have put into this. I hadnt even considered it before you made this thread, so I guess thanks for trying to teach me, but you're almost acting as if I've wrote a fucking book on this subject and staunchly defended this view my whole life. I seriously just dont care that much about this topic, I was using it as a base for a joke with a friend.
Aiden Martinez
Mate, don't trust those people. I'm being as nakedly honest as I can.
Benjamin Morris
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Easton Campbell
THAT is how you counter him? Man, I gotta stay positive and keep my blood pressure in check. I guess the positive thing here is that those from pol who only want to troll here will see they can't possibly write as stupid shit as our tripcancer master debaters and try for actual conversation.
Landon Johnson
I don't think anyone is accusing you of putting thought into things, and that's the problem.
Somebody post that screencap of the post explaining all of this, maybe muke will read it now that someone has told him it's relevant.
Isaac Howard
Hi comradeVAC :^)
Samuel Lopez
I was there. I was on 4chan like in 2004 or 2005. It wasn't full of reactionaries. /fit/ had actual coaches for Olympic sprinters and rugby posting good information on lifting. Holla Forums was shit in a different way from it being shit now. And so on.
There was racism but a lot of people thought it was a joke. In retrospect, when you can't tell if it's a joke or Stormfront, what's the point? And because you can't tell, little young shitheads who don't read and are extremely impressionable get captured by this and voila, that's how you into a bunch of otherwise weak liberals and Democrats to Holla Forums.
I don't know if the other old posters were joking. There was 100% an effort by Stormfront to brigade. It truly doesn't matter if Stormfront itself was successful. Their ideology dominated whether it was genuine or 'lol racism amirite?' And now it's real.
Also seriously dude, read more. The reason you incur so much vitriol here is because you make a concerted effort to come across as cool and above everything on your channel and you're frankly not read enough to do that. Your best stuff is where you're just a normal university student talking and not trying to meme your into dialectics.
Benjamin Hughes
I've been reading a lot recently, and I have a lot of books I'm really looking forward to get into. I dont really think it matters how much I read though in terms of leftypol's opinion of me, that meme is never gonna die.
I've never done that. Are you thinking of Rebel?
Camden Robinson
The meme as a mean thing will die if you stop doing the stuff I said above.
Rebel is a little shitbag for trying to convince the board that his special ideologues are the best but at least the dude reads and provides decent analysis on a number of issues.
If you took your time, didn't act above it all, and devoted yourself to a video, you'd do really well for it and at least I'd appreciate it. You obviously have it in you and you just need to not sound exasperated or beside yourself at every point. LSR and BadMouse do this well, LSR despite oftentimes just being angry has done really great videos.
You really think this is a big problem? Not saying you're wrong, just never heard that specific complaint before. Didnt actually think I did it that much.
I'm not seeing it. I guess the most immediate difference is lack of face?
Asher Russell
OP has a point. Suggesting Holla Forums is just a joke gone to far validates them as an organically occurring movement when, as OP pointed out, they aren't.
Sebastian Cox
I like Rebel. That doesn't mean he's not trying to be a special snowflake with his recent foray into post-Keynesianism.
Kayden Roberts
yeah that's fine, but relatively speaking, he isn't an idiot and he does indeed read.
Julian Young
He's always been a bit of a special snowflake tbh.
When I first met him he was a Luxemburgist, then was an anarchist, then back to Marxist without calling himself a Marxist until you pushed him on it and now this. Maybe he's read more than me, on philo more than anything else though, but at least I'm consistent.
Dylan Wright
Word.
Jordan Bailey
I literally said that.
Wyatt Hill
go fuck yourself muke, if anyone is shitting up the board it is you. What the OP posted holds weight in that he addresses the dumb mentality you and a few other Holla Forumstards have, he should have absolutely posted this. Just fuck off back to bunkerchan, every thread you show up in you are told to leave, you are literally not wanted here. You ruined the Lenin hat for everyone.
The OP's post is worth 5 of your videos, at least, if you want to bitch about relevance.
Liam Harris
screencap this
We need to do go hard on the natzbols
Dylan Robinson
i hope muke kills himself
Michael Phillips
just because stormfront eventually showed up on 4pol long ago doesnt mean it didnt all start as a joke/normie filter you fucking nigger, it did, I can prove it in one sentence
shut the fuck up you armchair fuckboy, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about and need to go back to your reading circle
Kevin Ross
That's what OP said you inconceivably stupid faggot.
