Theory of left vs right, or unnatural vs natural

Holla Forums please rate my speculative theory. I am not posting here much, but I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Sorry in advance for my bad English.

What if in the elites minds, the only way to attain a natural (conservative) society is to try to deprave people of their nature (leftism) as a means to create a reaction to it, to foster the will to change it in the minds of normies. I think most of you will agree that the amount of degeneracy and unnaturalness in the Weimar republic was staggering, and that this helped pave the way for fascism. What if the elites are not really trying to create a degenerate society, but really are trying to to good, by making the masses will a better, more natural society?

We are always hearing about the elites that they “are crazy, and that they really believe that they are doing good”. This ties in with Louise Mensch being exposed as a false flagger, and George Soros working for the nazis. Maybe in their minds, they need to do as much harm they can, to strech the pendulum as far as possible before releasing it, to make people realize what could have been, and to make people able to fight for it. Today people trying to live natural lives need to fight through lots of difficulties, and everything is set ut to be difficult (unnatural). People managing to live natural lives however, are real winners.

I find it hard to believe that the left (eg. CNN) are as ridiculous as they are, it just seems too much. It is almost as their downfall is scripted, and it seems like the left for the last 6 months has just been one big magnet for loosers and degenerates. Their lunacy is also just too blatant to be true, and it seems like doubling down every time is not just a desperate attempt to win, but a way to very publicly display what happens if you let degeneracy flow freely.

Maybe all the troubles in the past were created to get a response, and that the powerful ones will keep on pushing until they get the answer they want. Maybe all the surveillance is not mainly for controlling purpouses, but to assert how well their plans are working. Maybe all the unnaturalness is needed to get people working for what they really want?

As a side note, the amount of very public moles in the Trump Administration is also really staggering. It is as if he wants to display to the whole world that to be able to be president of the US, the only way is to fill up the cabinet with obvious enemies (Kushner, powerful jews, Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil, …) in addition to real patriots (Sessions, Mattis, …) Either that, or he has made a deal with all of them, to sell out their respective groups and take them down, but that themselves are saved by Trump.

I am not advocating any of this, it is just an observation. This may be a shitty theory, but please contribute and correct it, I have a feeling that I may be onto something.

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You have a point there OP this whole Left vs. Right wing political battle seems too convienient. And the fact CNN as well as other news networks are freaking out seems scripted. It may be that they all know what is going on or that the higher-ups are not telling something to them.


At least try to read the whole thing before posting.

First of all, Soros wasn't part of some secret cabal in 1944. Second: he worked with the Germans because Hungarian Jews disdained Russian Jews and, like the German Jews (excluding the Orthodox), tried to assimilate, ridding themselves of their Jewishness. When he went around confiscating the property of Jews in Budapest, he just thought that he was doing a sort of public duty (which he was) which gave him a sense of civic pride and belonging. That is largely the reason he still claims not to be sorry for what he did today.

CNN is an echo chamber where people reinforce each others' idiot beliefs. On top of that, they engage in sensationalism for the purpose of ratings. It's an organization of coddled, deluded, fame-hungry cretins.

Certainly, there are cycles of action and reaction in history, but your simple-minded pendulum theory shows that you have no understanding of history or psychology. I'm not trying to to insult you, OP. I'm just saying that you are incorrect.

This is even more ridiculous. Just because A results in a reaction B, this does not mean that A is the only way to achieve B. The social decay and poverty of Weimar might have lead to Hitler's rise, but nationalist regimes can arise without those factors. In fact, most of the West would be close to "fascist" today, and we'd have no immigrants, had not liberal poz been pushed onto us since the end of WWII. Tribalism and intra-group cooperation is people's natural inclination. Were it not for Jewish control over the media, the power of mass media would've unified Western nations around national projects by the end of the 20th century. The nation, and perhaps the race, would've been made immediate realities in people's minds, and they would've come to see themselves as one unit that needs to act coherently and in solidarity. This is, in fact, the long-term trend in history: first we had clans, then tribes, then villages, then city-leagues, then nations, and finally, we would've had the race, which would've been a global power.

There would've been no need for mass immigration, or rape epidemics, or terrorism, or LGBTIQJHGUFTKVU butt marriage, any other shit for this to happen, and to posit that it would've is absurd, dualistic thinking.

Louis Mensch is a literally who, she's not an "elite", and George Soros is a massive kike. Kikes will sell each other out for quarters in a heartbeat. They're all rats. They'll come together to defeat a common enemy, but soon enough they return to their own selfish manner.

Also, we all know that "elites" really just boils down to Jews, and they are absolutely NOT in any way trying to obtain a natural "conservative" society (and I'm using that term loosely because modern conservatives care nothing about preserving their own race). The Jew promotes the sodomy he does because the White man is the greatest danger that he faces. Whites have expelled Jews from Europe hundreds of times and always comes to expose the Jew for what he is. The Jews don't want to create a society like you think, they truly are trying to eradicate the White race. Once everyone has been melded into the same Afro-Asiatic mongrel race, they no longer have the natural loyalty to their own people and are more easily controlled. The Jew will still clearly exist in Israel and abroad once this 2050 meme takes place but of course normalfags give this no thought

Also you better not be samefagging here

OP here. Yes, you have very good points, and yes of course my theory its very simple.
No worries, and thanks a lot for the answer, I'll try to read up on history.

It's entirely possible, but it's not the simplest explanation, and it also doesn't fit with history.

Jews have always acted in roughly this fashion:
First, they latch on to a host society.
Second they start pushing multiculturalism as a means of getting accepted.
Third they exploit the system they help created to benefit Jews and Jews alone.
Fourth the host society either collapses or removes the Jew.
Last, they move on.

It is simpler to believe that they are just doing what they have always done, but on a larger scale. It is simpler to believe that these people are this evil simply because they have always been this evil.

Sure, it is entirely possible that the Jews have changed their ways and are acting exactly in the same way they always have to make us win. But it's not the most likely explanation, and we shouldn't accept it as one.

This is a shitty post, but I won't sage it simply because someone else probably needs an answer to this question.

I've been saying this for years, but it never really picks up: every pol goer needs to be red-pilled on psychopathy. Psychopaths are basically monsters that look human. Scientifically, they are humans, minus a few parts of the brain, but the result is monstrous. And it's not just the psychopaths themselves, they warp the minds of the people around them.

Anyway, with the whole pendulum thing; doesn't it seem short-sighted to you? "Yeah, we swung the pendulum all the way in one direction! What could possibly go wrong?" Gravity, motherfuckers. I don't care what their intentions are; if the pendulum doesn't get stuck on the right side, it's not doing us much good.

I don't prescribe to any notion that the elites are actually good. There's so much they could be doing to fix things, yet all I ever see is psychopathy.

Yes, of course, but my point is that they are not really trying to make the changes themselves, but provoking a will in the people to make the changes. In my theory, the evil and the psychopathy are vehicles for provoking that change. I see however that this may be a dumb theory in itself, but the responses are interesting.

There's no such thing as monsters. Psychopaths just have low impulse control and low guilt. That doesn't make them "evil", but it does make them impulsive and violent when even slightly provoked. They're just people who brain abnormalities, not orcs working for Sauron.

It's called accelerationalism. Not a new concept … You must be new to pol sci.

I guess thats what they tell those of their shabbos goyim who have kept some morality, to keep them in line, but who truly believes this is semi-retarded in my eyes. They know very well how the human psyche works and would have figured out better solutions. Imagine you are them and people want an explanation from you why you act so evil. Its literally the first halfass excuse that comes to mind,
This is exactly the tactic that hardcore satanic cults use, pretending the disgusting things they do must be done for the greater good, while actually they are nothing but sick twisted pervs. Weak.

Acceleration is just the rationalization of defeat.


Winning is winning. Losing is not. Simple as that. Accelerationism is a psychological weakness that should only be encouraged among the left as a prank.

If they really wanted to show us, how we need the right and how degenerate the left is… Why would they flood us with shitskins and spoil our children as well as "enforce democracy" around the world?

Forgot to tell you to read evola. There is a state of equilibrium that we call natural traditional society. A society kept stable by being governed by Traditions with a capital T (ideas that have crystalized as the best way for a culture to live in an evolutionary manner through time -> societies that have bad practices collapse while the ones with the right ones survive natural selection). Patriachy, the institution of marriage, racial awareness, symbiotic gender roles and anti-homosexuality are just the most obvious of them. Religion is another important one as it acts as the vehicle through which you explain complicated metaphysical laws to simple minded common folk.

The enlightenment and the use of rationalist analysis on humans (for example the idea that all humans must a be equal and that I humans are a rational a beings) resulted in the French Revolution and begining of modernity.

This was the birth of the "left" and "politics" as we know today. The left is basically operating on flawed fundamental beliefs and try to "fix" the persieved "ills" of humanity. They create more problems in the process which lead to even more left wing radicals trying to fix that with the same flawed beliefs.

For example: unrestrained capitalism was the result of Jacobin extremists who though abolishing the old caste system would make people more free. When the aristocrats and other groups in society lost their privileges they also lost their obligations . The caste system collapsed into a class system. The rich have and the have nots. No obligations by the rich to help the poor. No mobility in their blood line either. The answer by the left? Collapse the system even more and create a equal society without any inequality: communism.

you might be interested in r/K theory as it applies to humans if you haven't already looked into it.

Most of the people on the board are socialists and collectivism is pretty unnatural, anarchy is about is close to "nature" it gets.

The good news is that this development is unnatural and not self sustaining. The left will suffocate on itself like a flame that sucked up all the oxygen in a room and we will eventually return to a traditional society because it's the only way that works in the long run.

It's not a pendulum, it's a spinning top that had been going through some turbulences but will return to normality soon. It might just take alot of blood and chaos but it will happen.

Well would you say that more and more people in Sweden are waking up, or less and less?


Thanks a lot for this, I will read Evola. I agree that the current development it not self sustaining, (I just also feel it is synthetic and scripted).

The real question is to how to maintain tradition. We've read the Fate of Empires, we've seen this happen time and again. We rise, we rule, we decay, we fall. How do we prevent the decay and fall? Constant conquest and war? Artificially create strife and hard times?

the left/right political spectrum is supposed to have max government control on the left (communism, super authoritarianism, dictatorship, etc) and minimal government on the right (anarchy, hunter gathering, libertarianism).
the modern spectrum is used only as a tool of the jews - it has communism (institutional judaism) as the maximum left, and fascism/national socialism (the thing that is communism and jews' worst enemy) on the right. you will notice that with the kosher spectrum it isnt really a spectrum - it's more like a list with a somewhat arbitrary order, whereas the traditional and correct spectrum you can easily know where a political system should be placed relative to others. just about everything inbetween is some sort of useful idiot to one side or the other to different extents. eg anarchy is considered leftist because they indirectly help the communists. conservatives are more centrist because they dont really push in either direction; they just resist the movement to the left to create a boiling frog effect. the main focus is on the outsides (communism/jews vs nazis/whites). the kosher "spectrum" also makes it easier to marginalize people who are too far to the right. we live in a primarily jew-controlled world, so obviously the worst thing in the world you can be is a nazi. they want it to be so that the right keeps shrinking (eg make EVERYBODY oppose national socialism) while the left remains the same (communism will always be a threat and people will always support it, so that max stays, while the max potential of the right slowly moves towards the left).
this nazi/communist spectrum is a mind virus that was created by jews. it completely warps your perceptions and understanding of government systems and puts your mind in a box (at least pertaining to politics). yes, you can still use it for good purposes like calling leftists faggots pushing people to the right and somewhat usefully grouping people together, but at the end of the day it is a playing field that was made by jews, much like christianity. it doesnt matter how much you clean it up and get rid of the taint, it will always be a jewish creation, and you cant get past that.
having control of the spectrum is necessary in order to have more control over where the pendulum will swing, not total control, but still a significantly more amount than would be had without it (like christianity). by making everybody oppose nazis while maintaining groups who are communist, they make it so the pendulum will never swing TOO far to the right while it can always much more easily swing as far left as it wants.

You brought something interesting to Holla Forums though, it's very appreciated.

Well I think that perhaps these people may also be insane. If you got everything, are rich beyond dreams, if conflicts are settled, if the arab scourge is now a laughing stock and used to invigorate the europeans with violence and justice. Perhaps they knew what kind of effects the "peace" would have had. Perhaps they, since the middle ages experimented, in small scale, through the church to redo the end conclusion of human suffering and the complete control of reality, and the absence of purpose, that was perhaps a big genetic shock in the roman empire. Perhaps the jew, the arabs and the nigger animal stocks are just there to create a theater for the middle to low IQ fags to retain their sanity.

Evolution is slow you know, just as we struggle as humans with the idea that food is plentiful, we may as well just struggle with the idea that we have completely conquered the whole world. It just doesnt make any sense as our brain always was on the lookout for food, and enemies. Its perhaps needs those to function mentally.

But obviously, if we ever want to go further into space, we need the collective mind power of all of humanity, working in tandem, we cant have our population be 90% in existential crisis-es. Maybe therefore the gates, the firewalls to the degenerate and hostile factions were unlocked by the elites. To unify them perhaps. Fug if I know.

But many people suffer from existentialism. If they got food, a house, a wife, thats nearly everything that is needed to be happy, genetically at least. People may say that they need more but their genes dont lie, they will tell them that its okay. But then the other genes that scout out go into havoc mode and those need to be silenced so that they dont destroy everything as a result.

to add to that post:

Its a bit like those animals who cannot breed in captivity, animals, creatures in general are only a slice, part of a spectrum in which they can operate mentally, and properly. If they lack somekind of thing, even if it does not kill them, they could not "make sense" of it. Think of it like this, what if you put an average nigger in a cyberpunk distopia, like shadow runner. Do you really think that they could comprehend this complicated world? Their tiny brain cannot fathom all the complexity, the barter systems to get the food for example, and the conquest by battling corporations through hacking and guns, and magic…

To a mediocre, and higher level so too this world does not make any sense anymore. For the very simple reason that its kinda unique in history. Because most of the time we were in "struggle". Too many animals who get out of that become fat, degenerate, drifting purposeless, not making any children. And as a result the whole society, industry and economy suffers too.

Perhaps the meme of space exploration was not good enough you know. Perhaps slowly, through experimentation we learned what it would do to our biology, and our bodies degrade too fast in space to even reach mars safely. We needed more time to create better tech. But in the meantime the genetic existentialism kicked in and most people lost their touch to life. And now the lowest of the low, of the old civilization, are now in the top intellectual tier of the new generation, since the rest of the people have lost their minds. Very strange times.

Why do basic bitches and newfriends always think their thinking is soooooo original and fascinating, that they just haaaaaaad to share their insights with us, to impress us, so we would worship their singular brilliance? Is it public education, their upbringing at home as special snowflakes?

why are you such a retarded faggot with no capacity for original thought? why do you double down on it and claim there's something wrong with people who do?

you realize your attitude is the entire problem with the world right? you believe only "experts" should have opinions. You're a brainless authoritarian with no human spirit. If everyone exerted their opinions there would be more selective force in the favor of small people, more decentralization of power, and the jew would have no traction in this world.

Seriously, I know people on the internet say this a lot, but I really mean it: Kill yourself. You are human spoilage.

just filter and ignore him.


I also did wish for something like this where (((those in control))) were really pushing for something deeper than just burning everything. Even wanted to believe the meme of Nazis still being a global power in Antartica, but as time went by and happenings keep adding to the list I am sure that there is only one thing in those parasites heads. Insanity.

Something that has bothered me about the swinging pendulum is that now, because of the rampant degeneracy of the left, triggering the right to mobilize; what will happen when the pendulum is on our side? How do you stop it from going back to the left riding the swing?
I came up with some philosophical concepts of how maybe it could stay in place so a society can evolve into something greater, but still unsure.
Even if we manage to dethrone the (((elites))), the world as we know it works under the system they helped create. Everything is based upon discounts, loans, etc. Money. How do you change the fact that thanks to our technology we have, completely, made food gathering a non-issue. How do you teach people to aim towards a bigger goal than full their stomachs and seek only sex, instant gratification.

Same idea as .
Our cars move too fast for our eyes to see clearly.