This is obvious feminist token bait. Catherine de Medici is probably one of the least important and shittiest queens in the story of humanity and they just put her in there because "muh feminism". She wasn't even French and just married her way up. I would rather prefer if they they shoehorned Joan D'Arc than this.
Josiah Jackson
Nobody cares, it's a video game.
Anthony Baker
And I'm trying to discuss a videogame here. Your point?
Nicholas Rogers
Irrelevant woman rulers have been stable of the series since II. And simulating history is not the point of the games anyway.
Carson Lee
You're being autistic over history which doesn't matter in a video game where Ghandi nukes people. You aren't discussing the game you're waving your dick around going "hurr look at me I know more about Frog history than you and these guys durr hon hon hon baggette"
Bentley Martin
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Michael Cooper
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Eli Wilson
The past isn`t progressive enough shitlord
Thomas Harris
Who are you quoting?
Hunter Cox
At least they could do like in IV and put various leaders for the same civ. What makes me mad is that again they will miss great civs like spain just to add random nig-nig "kingdom" we wuz kings that did nothing in history.
It's a fucking videogame based in history, of course I fucking care about what leaders, wonders or science they use since it also influences gameplay. Stop being triggered for being retarded and fuck off if you don't fucking care. Sage is not downvote, go back to reddit
Austin Brown
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Ian Cook
Why does that matter? In the games none of those civilizations have done anything yet. Might as well cram in as much of "diversity" as they can, it's going to be a retarded clusterfuck in the end anyway.
Brayden Ortiz
Ghandi is historically relevant she is not
Justin Parker
Which is why Elvis was a cultural advisor in Civ 2, right?
Jace Flores
Got a single fact to back that up?
Levi Thomas
Except that he wasn't, it was just a random guy with a costume, and it was made for comedy relief that in their context it worked just fine since he represented what was a trend during different periods in history. Again, they were using historical context to make their game more rich, not more "diverse".
Could you also stop embarassing yourself with stuff like thanks
Thomas Ward
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Luke Russell
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Carter Murphy
Actually you're helping prove my point: the French queen was actually a head of state unlike Ghandi.
Jace Gomez
Also she was queen longer than 2 years, dumbass
Grayson Rogers
Are we gonna have a THEY RUINED CIV thread for every single leader reveal?
Getting really sick of Holla Forums and it's hyperbolic nature lately.
William Hernandez
Are you implying France has no better rulers to use for a game?
I can only find info on a 2 year rule and later on it is only influence on her sons.
Logan Sanders
Every king had a queen, that doesn't mean they did jack shit. Try another bait.
Oliver Walker
What intrinsic benefit does choosing "the best" ruler to represent a civilization have?
Nathaniel Lopez
It's a historical game that even includes an encyclopedia inside the game so you can read and learn about whatever you are doing and in what historical moments they are based.
It's not about choosing the best, but choosing people, technologies, buildings and moments in history that had at least SOME relevance in history.
Anthony Evans
Last I checked, Washington didn't rule "American Civilization" from the end of neolithic period to the near future.
Evan Russell
They've already used many more influential French rulers and they clearly don't want to keep using the same people for most nations over and over again, since they replaced Washington with Roosevelt, for example
Please go back to reddit
Noah Peterson
And Catherine had relevance in France during her rule.
Joshua Anderson
Holy shit what an insufferable faggot.
Nathan Gomez
Cool argument
Jayden Rogers
"Historical" doesn't mean "literally as it happened", but based in historical events. Stop trying this cherrypicking bullshit.
France has enough story to be able to pick more influential people. Catherine relevance in history books don't go further than a couple lines mentioning her. I'm pretty sure most French people don't even know who's her. In fact by what you are saying I'm pretty sure you didn't even know who she was until this thread, and you just went to wikipedia to try to see something to justify your shilling.
I hope 2k at least pay and you are not doing this for free.
Alexander Nguyen
There's nothing historical about referencing historical stuff without any rhyme or reason, which Civilization games have always been
No need to cherrypick, the whole concept of Civilization games is bullshit.
Camden Nelson
Fucking kill yourself you generic nigger
Eli Martin
Cool argument
Gavin Ortiz
I dont argue with garbage
Andrew Perry
so you dont like her? big deal.
Ian Carter
1. How did you not already know she was the leader of the French? All the leaders have been leaked weeks ago.
2. They already said they aren't going for the most important leaders, but leaders with big personalities, to tie into the new agenda system and Leader Abilities.
3. Cleopatra has been in plenty of times despite having a shitty reign.
4. How is this any worse than the Civ 2 expansion that included only female leaders to every Civ even if they had to make them up?
Here are some female leaders in Civ 2: America-Nancy Reagan (leader's wife) Aztec-Nazca (completely made up) Babylon-Ishtar (a goddess) French-Joan d'Arc (a general) Greek-Hippolyta (amazonian queen, also fictional) Japan-Amaterasu (a goddess) Mongols-Börte (leader's wife) Persia-Scheherezade (a legend) Rome-Livia (leader's wife) Sioux-Sacagawea (do I really need to explain why this one is retarded?) Viking-Gunnhild(legend) Zulu-Shakala(completely fictional)
I bet you are the same faggot that complained when Queen Victoria was announced.
Liam King
Well, that's hilarious.
Luke Barnes
Do I have to copy paste the definition for you?
Your concept about what historical is wrong. Civ just picks whats representative in history to make their game. This leader is NOT representative in history in the least. Old games cared about historical representation, new games cares about tokeism. Get my point?
I didn't know it was leaked. Pretty shitty list.
I still think that they could have pick some other leaders for their new agenda system. I guess they will go for Culture with Catherine but even Napoleon made more for the arts in France than her. Cleopatra had a shitty reign too but I can understand putting her in since she's famous. The same for the Civ2 expansion, it was an expansion, not the main game, so you could pretty much forget about it.
Ryder Cox
Gandhi nuking people is a bug turned into an ascended meme.
Of course it's expected but it's important to disseminate this information so Gamergate can act on it
Christian Foster
100% shit taste
Asher James
You are frustrated because females, yes. You should get your head checked if "historical relevance" has anything to do with a game where you control a ever expanding colored amoeba with random words from a history book plastere here and there.
Ryan Sanchez
In my very first post I mentioned another female that could have been a leader. There have been some other important females that could make it into the game perfectly without shoehorning. Catherine is not one of those.
Josiah Davis
Napoleon has been in Civ 1,4, 5, and both Revolutions. I'm tired of Napoleon and glad it isn't him again. I personally wanted to see Louis XIV, but we already had him in 2 and 4, so I'll live.
Logan Kelly
You would have whined about d'Arc too, faggot. And you still haven't pointed out what benefit adhering to your vague definition of "historical relevance" has. If Civilization games are still teaching you history, you should propably finish elementary school right now.
Nolan Perry
Even saying this just proves you're new to this place. Lurk more.
Hunter Thompson
You are a cool guy Op and you are right
John Long
Or, and bear with me, they added her because she was the leader of France at one point.
Charles Clark
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Asher Russell
If they wanted a female leader for France you'd think they'd go with the obvious Joan of Arc.
Isn't that part of the appeal of the series, taking the best of each civilization and pitting them against each other? It's not like anyone wants to play as James Buchanan or King John.
Matthew Davis
Joan of Arc was never the leader of France though, Charles VII was at the time. If anything she should appear as a great general
Ethan Moore
Who's leading Germany?
Wyatt Martin
According to the leak It'll be Fredrick I.
Lucas Gonzalez
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Juan Ortiz
back to Holla Forums
Caleb Miller
lmfao
Joshua Allen
see
Samuel Harris
Isn't the entire reason Ghandi is so violent because the devs fucked up by making it so his violence level extremely low which would cause it would loop back to max if it went in to the negatives? And then the devs just rolled with it?
Asher Gutierrez
Ye He became a meme after that and thus appeared in every single civ game since
Jeremiah Rivera
Pretty much. If I remember right, each each leader had certain qualities ranked from 1 to 10 on how likely they were to do it. When it came to launching nuclear weapons, they accidentally Ghandi and instead of putting down 2, they put down 12.
Lincoln Jones
Functionally, Indians are still and have been super peaceful until they catch up with everyone else and reach post-industrial development After that they turn all resources to weapons manufacturing in later games and Ghandi is the most prone to using nukes for peaceful purposes the glitch was your standard 256 flip, where in a range of 0 to 255, most civs decay over time to lower values of aggression. Ghandi, however, hits -1 due to a miscalculation, which flips to the highest value of 255- instant nuclear war with all resources dedicated to new war-weapons.
Chase Walker
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Jason Jenkins
While I don't really like the idea of devs following through with meme shit I have to hand it to them the idea of Ghandi being a warlord who fires nukes whenever he feels like it is pretty entertaining even after all these years.
Cooper Brooks
There are infinitely better characters to use then the fucking single lined historical figure. Her only worth is that she has a pussy so they can probably sell these game as "empowering".
Rogues Pierre would be an infinitely better choice but if we are discussing personality it should be FUCKING NAPOLEAN He escaped exile and convinced the army sent to capture him to lay down their arms and join him. Which they did.
Ethan Butler
meh at least she was a queen, but these days I wouldn't be half surprised at Coco Chanel. Just give me Cromwell for England or Ivan Grozny for Russia and I'll call it even.
Why even care about the frogs?
Kevin Wright
She taught the french barbarians to eat using a fork. And beside she wasn't the first nor the last that seated on the throne of France while not being french, Napoleon was another one.
Camden Thomas
Yeah except Napoleon did shit.
Lucas Cooper
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Luis Hall
Based
Jack Thompson
Gandhi Goes Utilitarian!
Josiah Brooks
Yeah, and Benedict Arnold should be the new English leader.
Chase Turner
By the looks of the leak they tried really really hard to have a 50/50 male/female split this time. Of course it's done to appeal to normals and SJWs. That shit began with Beyond Earth: Diversity in Space.
Daniel Hernandez
VI, even.
Grayson Richardson
That's racist.
Tyler Stewart
How the fuck is she the most powerful queen of the 16th century?
Eli Hernandez
No, this is an established design philosophy for Civ. They've been trying to get a 50/50 split since like the 90s, probably didn't even know what an SJW was back then. What makes it a problem is attempting to mesh it with this "one leader per civ" rule that they've had since Civ 5 (Revolution, really, but who gives a fuck).
Cameron Gomez
You act like this is the first time they've put an irrelevant leader in a Civilization game.
There are bigger problems with Civ VI than Firaxis' poor choice of leaders.
Evan Richardson
I care about gameplay more than any other shit, I need to play it to know if I like it.
Jayden Wright
They did an amazing job of capturing french facial bone structure.
Dominic Jenkins
Thanks for giving the thread life.
Xavier Bell
oh dear, those video game characters that you dont have to self insert as are unrelatable to you. it seems you have been #TRIGGERED
Levi Wright
Honestly, it doesn't matter who the leaders are. What matters is whether or not the AI is just as shit as it was in Civ V, which is probably will be since devs only care about multiplayer now.
Kevin Murphy
That alone is a bridge too far.
Lucas Gomez
pure cuck
Camden Wright
Women are like 'We Wuz Kangs'
Grayson Mitchell
Esports are the future.
Connor Lopez
How can they fuck up this much?
Nathan Robinson
And then the BBC be like…
Jaxson Reed
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Michael Garcia
howcome master of magic never got a sequel? age of wonders is a great series but it doesnt count
Bentley Evans
Yes, Socialist Justice Warriors would use the queen of england as an excuse.
Jayden White
I got burnt out by age of wonders III within a few hours
Gabriel Johnson
Civilization VI is going to be horrible. I dont like the graphics, they are simplistic, too much cartoonish and looks like hurried up. I cant even imagine how much bugs there will be, since Civ V had more bugs than IV which in turn had more bugs than III.
Charles Morales
shoot friend. well you might wanna give the earlier games a shot though, theyre all very different. hell, even age of wonders 3 isnt even the same game it was on release
Sebastian White
Maybe I have a big backlog, to be honest I'd rather go back and play Civ II the best one
Parker Wright
But in all seriousness what makes the newer Civ games shit? I never played them.
Luis Rogers
With V at least, the big thing was 1 unit per tile, which utterly destroyed half the balance of the game, with the other half being destroyed by retarded decisions regarding building "tall" (a couple cities that are powerhouses) versus building "wide" (shitload of relatively weak cities) Also the replacement of the various government systems with the social policies talent tree bullshit, and the decoupling of scientific output from money. t. far too much time playing V, not enough playing III
Jayden Howard
Civilization is the game where nu-male cucks pretend cultures and civilizations that weren't white or Asian had, at any point in time, been relevant or interesting.
Nathan Perry
Even in 3D she got that tumblr nose.
Adam Johnson
newsflash
Anthony Phillips
It's fun to pretend you're the Mongols, burning and raiding your way to an empire, it's fun to pretend you're Byzantium, the last light of civilization.
It's not fun to pretend you're some flavor of mudshit or nigger chimping out in your own excrement while pretending you are a culture.
Thomas Morris
This. Sumeria and Egypt literally never did anything. They're historical footnotes that niggers cling to to try and justify their existence
Carter Bell
The 1UP and the cheating AI. Playing at higher difficulty is pretty much useless considering the AI doesn't get happiness malus, so they can spawn cities like cancer and get all the resources/strategic points and shit out units upon units.In a large/hugge map you can get a civ with 70-80 cities.This,obviously,require more time for turns too. I care more about the AI and gameplay than the civs, mostly because the latter can be fixed with mods while the former can't.I don't have my hope ups, if there is a trend in the vidya industry that doesn't change is that the AI becomes more and more retarded with time.
James Sanders
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Parker Cruz
Oh you Jews.
Dylan Howard
user when a library pops up in zimbabwe and doesnt get destroyed in 2 turns you gotta realize these cultures are really just themes.
Charles Bennett
Russia should have Ivan the Terrible at least once.
Josiah Gonzalez
There's lots of good reasons to not have interest in Civ 6. This is not one of them.
Jacob Green
t. cuck
Julian Anderson
Get a grip guys.
Jaxson Roberts
to be fair theyve been flipping out over the game for all sorts of reasons. however the loudest gripes are completely aesthetic for some reason
Liam Mitchell
Beyond Earth had all manner of stupid (as in, Marxist) leader choices, and it turned out a fine game, right?
Ethan Parker
I liked when cuck was used as a specific insult and now its just thrown out any time like faggot.
Oh you don't give a shit about france's leader choice in what is shaping up to be a shit game? Guess that means you like having your wife/gf fucked by other guys
Adam Johnson
This is true. It's well established that correlation equals causation
Liam Ward
Shame! Shame! Shame!
*ding*
Noah Evans
Things were looking up for Holla Forums, but then the wave of summer hit upon its shores. Woe, woe upon the man who looks here with eyes of enjoyment, for there is naught a drop of goodness here. Where once there was good, there is now ash and shitposts.
Evan Long
Isn't this like the third time people are freaking out about the Civ5 leader choices?
I recall a thread bitching about 2 other leaders months ago at least.
David Reyes
Seriously, though, the beauty of (high traffic) anonymous boards IS the shitposting. It buries rants and irrelevant bullshit posted by morons who can't take it and are just here to stir trouble. It's an elevated noise floor.
Take the time to write something valuable and you'll get a sensible reply or two provided the traffic is high enough. My favorite posts are by people I strongly disagree with but who took the time to make an actual argument.
Sebastian Bell
Yeah. Once civs went democract/republic they got -2 to their aggression. Ghandi started at 0.
Chase Bennett
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Ethan Green
im not so sure about that one
Xavier Hernandez
Yes, goyim, Civilization 6 is shaping to be a great game as well!
Alexander Perry
I'd totally forgotten you choose your gender in Civ2.
Ayden Russell
Why even live?
Brandon Diaz
In the spirit of compromise I propose three gender options: 1. Male 2. Female 3. Mentally Ill
Ryder Edwards
As a /his/torian I'll give the redux version:
She is historically irrelevant. Instead of Phillip II or Napoleon III or SOMEONE WHO FUCKING MATTERED
they shoehorned this bitch.
Justin Price
Enjoy your buggy hi-color Civ 1 clone.
Jacob Brown
You mean like basically every other woman?
Kevin Evans
I don't remember anyone complaining about Elizabeth, Victoria, Isabella or Catherine (the Russian one)
As for Medici, I guess it is a famous french ruler and Microprose/Firaxis do this kind of stuff from time to time. In vanilla Civ 4, the American leader was Roosevelt, only in the expansions they added Washington and then Lincoln. Vanilla Civ 4 also had Hatshepsut, who's famous among egyptians pharaohs in that she was woman and she was deleted from history for centuries. Ramses II was added in an expansion.
So, nothing new.
Hunter Martinez
I saw some threads complaining about the "cartoony graphics" but thats about it so far.
Brandon Stewart
More vagina throne warmers while the men rule.
Oh, the misogyny.
Alexander Phillips
You mean the only good one?
James Adams
Well that's a poorly timed truck
Christian Hernandez
I know right? If only there were a place, where you could talk about these things without this sexism. Wherever could you go
Bentley Campbell
Catherine is pretty important. But it is blatant pandering in this case.
Nathan Moore
Are you saying there is a place on the internet where I can be free from all these MISOGYNERDS and their SHITLORD attitude?
Gabriel Jackson
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Benjamin Martin
Civilization is a shitty game that just exploits people with maniac-compulsive disorder
Most turn based garbage thrives on this, people are allured at first because they are into history or because they are goddamn casuals that cant handle SKILLZ but they stay because they get conditioned like fucking lab rats
TL;DR Turn based games are fucking garbage
Isaiah Reed
chess is the tool of satan then
Christian Gonzalez
I don't necessarily agree with him, but in case of chest… well, did you know that the best chest players of the world basically learn all the possible combinations over the long years of always playing that game? So it's more about pattern recognition that creativity. And autists are pretty good at pattern recognition.
David Rivera
But people have created new rulesets for chess to counter that.
Also, good job bitching about balance issues and cheesing in a game 1500 years old.
Ryder Perry
What a bunch of fucking faggots, they could've added Napoleon or like OP said Joan of Ark.
Luke Myers
Because the game is ugly and the gameplay looks so boring no one has anything to say about it
Wyatt Howard
Seconded.
I wanna be kinda hype for IV, but then expansions will happen anyway…
Thomas Reed
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Nicholas Bennett
WE
Colton Nelson
Chess at least is way more complex than every shitty turn based game ever. That kind of casual filter keeps the retards away.
Jackson Powell
You could have spent as much effort making those parts good instead of shit.
13 year old who only played it on Steam confirmed
This, Civ III was a masterpiece. V was aesthetically pleasing but far too easy, though quite addictive. Unbelievable that they went back to the shitty half-assed cartoon aesthetics of IV.
Jaxon Ross
Blame Germany. Firaxis would have to make two versions of the game with two separate leaders just to sell in their censorship happy shithole.
Oliver Sanchez
Weow, she won the special Olympics. Also fuck you, it should always be Napoleon.
Dylan Reyes
if they make pericles or gilgamesh black ima be pissed.
Ryder Robinson
not gonna buy this shit until its finished. and only for super cheap
Angel Ward
how do you make a game look WORSE than your predecessor?
Colton Morris
(((style)))
Brayden Russell
see
Daniel Wilson
Bending over for diversity/feminist pandering makes one a cuck, this isn't hard to understand. Fag was rarely used literally, and like it or not cuck is shaping up to be the most effective insult in a long time judging by how butthurt it makes everyone. If it were really as ineffectual and stupid as you claim, there wouldn't be nearly as much moaning about the rise of it.
Owen Young
As long as fugtrup can make porn of her, I don't care.
(CAPTCHA: "TARDPC", heh, that was funny)
Aiden Davis
Why would you wait until now to drop Civilization 5-2: Electric Boogaloo by a company whose latest releases include Civilization 5 in Space, Civilization 5 presents XCOM, and Civilization 5?
Jose Gutierrez
There have been seven empresses of Japan and they resorted to the sun goddess? Shamefur dispray.
Connor Rodriguez
What fuck kind of race is she anyway?
Noah Smith
Also, I think the background in that image may actually be a fucking Roller Coaster Tycoon screenshot. Jesus Christ that VN is an abomination.
Charles Cox
Gee, I do wonder why people assume the worst.
Mason Cruz
No they weren't. Holla Forums Holla Forums hasn't been good for almost a year now.
Jason Moore
I hope they change the same fucking leaders i ve seen in every other civ game so that we get to use different abilities / gimmicks /whatever you call them
I am frankly sick of china always being a zerg nation, usa a warmachine, and india a stack poo pile.