Civilization V

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand dropped.

This is obvious feminist token bait. Catherine de Medici is probably one of the least important and shittiest queens in the story of humanity and they just put her in there because "muh feminism". She wasn't even French and just married her way up. I would rather prefer if they they shoehorned Joan D'Arc than this.

Nobody cares, it's a video game.

And I'm trying to discuss a videogame here. Your point?

Irrelevant woman rulers have been stable of the series since II. And simulating history is not the point of the games anyway.

You're being autistic over history which doesn't matter in a video game where Ghandi nukes people. You aren't discussing the game you're waving your dick around going "hurr look at me I know more about Frog history than you and these guys durr hon hon hon baggette"

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The past isn`t progressive enough shitlord

Who are you quoting?

At least they could do like in IV and put various leaders for the same civ. What makes me mad is that again they will miss great civs like spain just to add random nig-nig "kingdom" we wuz kings that did nothing in history.


It's a fucking videogame based in history, of course I fucking care about what leaders, wonders or science they use since it also influences gameplay. Stop being triggered for being retarded and fuck off if you don't fucking care. Sage is not downvote, go back to reddit

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Why does that matter? In the games none of those civilizations have done anything yet. Might as well cram in as much of "diversity" as they can, it's going to be a retarded clusterfuck in the end anyway.

Ghandi is historically relevant
she is not

Which is why Elvis was a cultural advisor in Civ 2, right?

Got a single fact to back that up?

Except that he wasn't, it was just a random guy with a costume, and it was made for comedy relief that in their context it worked just fine since he represented what was a trend during different periods in history. Again, they were using historical context to make their game more rich, not more "diverse".

Could you also stop embarassing yourself with stuff like thanks

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Actually you're helping prove my point: the French queen was actually a head of state unlike Ghandi.

Also she was queen longer than 2 years, dumbass

Are we gonna have a THEY RUINED CIV thread for every single leader reveal?

Getting really sick of Holla Forums and it's hyperbolic nature lately.

Are you implying France has no better rulers to use for a game?

I can only find info on a 2 year rule and later on it is only influence on her sons.

Every king had a queen, that doesn't mean they did jack shit. Try another bait.

What intrinsic benefit does choosing "the best" ruler to represent a civilization have?

It's a historical game that even includes an encyclopedia inside the game so you can read and learn about whatever you are doing and in what historical moments they are based.

It's not about choosing the best, but choosing people, technologies, buildings and moments in history that had at least SOME relevance in history.

Last I checked, Washington didn't rule "American Civilization" from the end of neolithic period to the near future.

They've already used many more influential French rulers and they clearly don't want to keep using the same people for most nations over and over again, since they replaced Washington with Roosevelt, for example


Please go back to reddit

And Catherine had relevance in France during her rule.

Holy shit what an insufferable faggot.

Cool argument

"Historical" doesn't mean "literally as it happened", but based in historical events. Stop trying this cherrypicking bullshit.


France has enough story to be able to pick more influential people. Catherine relevance in history books don't go further than a couple lines mentioning her. I'm pretty sure most French people don't even know who's her. In fact by what you are saying I'm pretty sure you didn't even know who she was until this thread, and you just went to wikipedia to try to see something to justify your shilling.

I hope 2k at least pay and you are not doing this for free.

There's nothing historical about referencing historical stuff without any rhyme or reason, which Civilization games have always been


No need to cherrypick, the whole concept of Civilization games is bullshit.

Fucking kill yourself you generic nigger

Cool argument

I dont argue with garbage

so you dont like her? big deal.

1. How did you not already know she was the leader of the French? All the leaders have been leaked weeks ago.

2. They already said they aren't going for the most important leaders, but leaders with big personalities, to tie into the new agenda system and Leader Abilities.

3. Cleopatra has been in plenty of times despite having a shitty reign.

4. How is this any worse than the Civ 2 expansion that included only female leaders to every Civ even if they had to make them up?

Here are some female leaders in Civ 2:
America-Nancy Reagan (leader's wife)
Aztec-Nazca (completely made up)
Babylon-Ishtar (a goddess)
French-Joan d'Arc (a general)
Greek-Hippolyta (amazonian queen, also fictional)
Japan-Amaterasu (a goddess)
Mongols-Börte (leader's wife)
Persia-Scheherezade (a legend)
Rome-Livia (leader's wife)
Sioux-Sacagawea (do I really need to explain why this one is retarded?)
Viking-Gunnhild(legend)
Zulu-Shakala(completely fictional)

I bet you are the same faggot that complained when Queen Victoria was announced.

Well, that's hilarious.

Do I have to copy paste the definition for you?


Your concept about what historical is wrong. Civ just picks whats representative in history to make their game. This leader is NOT representative in history in the least. Old games cared about historical representation, new games cares about tokeism. Get my point?


I didn't know it was leaked. Pretty shitty list.

I still think that they could have pick some other leaders for their new agenda system. I guess they will go for Culture with Catherine but even Napoleon made more for the arts in France than her. Cleopatra had a shitty reign too but I can understand putting her in since she's famous. The same for the Civ2 expansion, it was an expansion, not the main game, so you could pretty much forget about it.

Gandhi nuking people is a bug turned into an ascended meme.


Of course it's expected but it's important to disseminate this information so Gamergate can act on it

100% shit taste

You are frustrated because females, yes. You should get your head checked if "historical relevance" has anything to do with a game where you control a ever expanding colored amoeba with random words from a history book plastere here and there.

In my very first post I mentioned another female that could have been a leader. There have been some other important females that could make it into the game perfectly without shoehorning. Catherine is not one of those.

Napoleon has been in Civ 1,4, 5, and both Revolutions. I'm tired of Napoleon and glad it isn't him again. I personally wanted to see Louis XIV, but we already had him in 2 and 4, so I'll live.

You would have whined about d'Arc too, faggot. And you still haven't pointed out what benefit adhering to your vague definition of "historical relevance" has. If Civilization games are still teaching you history, you should propably finish elementary school right now.

Even saying this just proves you're new to this place. Lurk more.

You are a cool guy Op and you are right

Or, and bear with me, they added her because she was the leader of France at one point.

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If they wanted a female leader for France you'd think they'd go with the obvious Joan of Arc.


Isn't that part of the appeal of the series, taking the best of each civilization and pitting them against each other? It's not like anyone wants to play as James Buchanan or King John.

Joan of Arc was never the leader of France though, Charles VII was at the time. If anything she should appear as a great general

Who's leading Germany?

According to the leak
It'll be Fredrick I.

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back to Holla Forums

lmfao

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Isn't the entire reason Ghandi is so violent because the devs fucked up by making it so his violence level extremely low which would cause it would loop back to max if it went in to the negatives? And then the devs just rolled with it?

Ye
He became a meme after that and thus appeared in every single civ game since

Pretty much. If I remember right, each each leader had certain qualities ranked from 1 to 10 on how likely they were to do it. When it came to launching nuclear weapons, they accidentally Ghandi and instead of putting down 2, they put down 12.

Functionally, Indians are still and have been super peaceful until they catch up with everyone else and reach post-industrial development
After that they turn all resources to weapons manufacturing in later games and Ghandi is the most prone to using nukes for peaceful purposes
the glitch was your standard 256 flip, where in a range of 0 to 255, most civs decay over time to lower values of aggression. Ghandi, however, hits -1 due to a miscalculation, which flips to the highest value of 255- instant nuclear war with all resources dedicated to new war-weapons.

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While I don't really like the idea of devs following through with meme shit I have to hand it to them the idea of Ghandi being a warlord who fires nukes whenever he feels like it is pretty entertaining even after all these years.

There are infinitely better characters to use then the fucking single lined historical figure.
Her only worth is that she has a pussy so they can probably sell these game as "empowering".

Rogues Pierre would be an infinitely better choice but if we are discussing personality it should be
FUCKING NAPOLEAN
He escaped exile and convinced the army sent to capture him to lay down their arms and join him.
Which they did.

meh at least she was a queen, but these days I wouldn't be half surprised at Coco Chanel. Just give me Cromwell for England or Ivan Grozny for Russia and I'll call it even.

Why even care about the frogs?

She taught the french barbarians to eat using a fork. And beside she wasn't the first nor the last that seated on the throne of France while not being french, Napoleon was another one.

Yeah except Napoleon did shit.

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Gandhi Goes Utilitarian!

Yeah, and Benedict Arnold should be the new English leader.

By the looks of the leak they tried really really hard to have a 50/50 male/female split this time. Of course it's done to appeal to normals and SJWs. That shit began with Beyond Earth: Diversity in Space.

VI, even.

That's racist.

How the fuck is she the most powerful queen of the 16th century?

No, this is an established design philosophy for Civ. They've been trying to get a 50/50 split since like the 90s, probably didn't even know what an SJW was back then. What makes it a problem is attempting to mesh it with this "one leader per civ" rule that they've had since Civ 5 (Revolution, really, but who gives a fuck).

You act like this is the first time they've put an irrelevant leader in a Civilization game.

There are bigger problems with Civ VI than Firaxis' poor choice of leaders.

I care about gameplay more than any other shit, I need to play it to know if I like it.

They did an amazing job of capturing french facial bone structure.

Thanks for giving the thread life.

oh dear, those video game characters that you dont have to self insert as are unrelatable to you.
it seems you have been
#TRIGGERED

Honestly, it doesn't matter who the leaders are. What matters is whether or not the AI is just as shit as it was in Civ V, which is probably will be since devs only care about multiplayer now.

That alone is a bridge too far.

pure cuck

Women are like 'We Wuz Kangs'

Esports are the future.

How can they fuck up this much?

And then the BBC be like…

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howcome master of magic never got a sequel?
age of wonders is a great series but it doesnt count

Yes, Socialist Justice Warriors would use the queen of england as an excuse.

I got burnt out by age of wonders III within a few hours

Civilization VI is going to be horrible. I dont like the graphics, they are simplistic, too much cartoonish and looks like hurried up. I cant even imagine how much bugs there will be, since Civ V had more bugs than IV which in turn had more bugs than III.

shoot friend. well you might wanna give the earlier games a shot though, theyre all very different.
hell, even age of wonders 3 isnt even the same game it was on release

Maybe I have a big backlog, to be honest I'd rather go back and play Civ II the best one

But in all seriousness what makes the newer Civ games shit? I never played them.

With V at least, the big thing was 1 unit per tile, which utterly destroyed half the balance of the game, with the other half being destroyed by retarded decisions regarding building "tall" (a couple cities that are powerhouses) versus building "wide" (shitload of relatively weak cities)
Also the replacement of the various government systems with the social policies talent tree bullshit, and the decoupling of scientific output from money.
t. far too much time playing V, not enough playing III

Civilization is the game where nu-male cucks pretend cultures and civilizations that weren't white or Asian had, at any point in time, been relevant or interesting.

Even in 3D she got that tumblr nose.

newsflash

It's fun to pretend you're the Mongols, burning and raiding your way to an empire, it's fun to pretend you're Byzantium, the last light of civilization.

It's not fun to pretend you're some flavor of mudshit or nigger chimping out in your own excrement while pretending you are a culture.

This. Sumeria and Egypt literally never did anything. They're historical footnotes that niggers cling to to try and justify their existence

The 1UP and the cheating AI.
Playing at higher difficulty is pretty much useless considering the AI doesn't get happiness malus, so they can spawn cities like cancer and get all the resources/strategic points and shit out units upon units.In a large/hugge map you can get a civ with 70-80 cities.This,obviously,require more time for turns too.
I care more about the AI and gameplay than the civs, mostly because the latter can be fixed with mods while the former can't.I don't have my hope ups, if there is a trend in the vidya industry that doesn't change is that the AI becomes more and more retarded with time.

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Oh you Jews.

user when a library pops up in zimbabwe and doesnt get destroyed in 2 turns you gotta realize these cultures are really just themes.

Russia should have Ivan the Terrible at least once.

There's lots of good reasons to not have interest in Civ 6.
This is not one of them.

t. cuck

Get a grip guys.

to be fair theyve been flipping out over the game for all sorts of reasons. however the loudest gripes are completely aesthetic for some reason

Beyond Earth had all manner of stupid (as in, Marxist) leader choices, and it turned out a fine game, right?

I liked when cuck was used as a specific insult and now its just thrown out any time like faggot.

Oh you don't give a shit about france's leader choice in what is shaping up to be a shit game? Guess that means you like having your wife/gf fucked by other guys

This is true. It's well established that correlation equals causation

Shame! Shame! Shame!

*ding*

Things were looking up for Holla Forums, but then the wave of summer hit upon its shores. Woe, woe upon the man who looks here with eyes of enjoyment, for there is naught a drop of goodness here. Where once there was good, there is now ash and shitposts.

Isn't this like the third time people are freaking out about the Civ5 leader choices?

I recall a thread bitching about 2 other leaders months ago at least.

Seriously, though, the beauty of (high traffic) anonymous boards IS the shitposting. It buries rants and irrelevant bullshit posted by morons who can't take it and are just here to stir trouble. It's an elevated noise floor.

Take the time to write something valuable and you'll get a sensible reply or two provided the traffic is high enough. My favorite posts are by people I strongly disagree with but who took the time to make an actual argument.

Yeah. Once civs went democract/republic they got -2 to their aggression. Ghandi started at 0.

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im not so sure about that one

Yes, goyim, Civilization 6 is shaping to be a great game as well!

I'd totally forgotten you choose your gender in Civ2.

Why even live?

In the spirit of compromise I propose three gender options:
1. Male
2. Female
3. Mentally Ill

As a /his/torian I'll give the redux version:

She is historically irrelevant. Instead of Phillip II or Napoleon III or SOMEONE WHO FUCKING MATTERED

they shoehorned this bitch.

Enjoy your buggy hi-color Civ 1 clone.

You mean like basically every other woman?

I don't remember anyone complaining about Elizabeth, Victoria, Isabella or Catherine (the Russian one)

As for Medici, I guess it is a famous french ruler and Microprose/Firaxis do this kind of stuff from time to time. In vanilla Civ 4, the American leader was Roosevelt, only in the expansions they added Washington and then Lincoln.
Vanilla Civ 4 also had Hatshepsut, who's famous among egyptians pharaohs in that she was woman and she was deleted from history for centuries. Ramses II was added in an expansion.

So, nothing new.

I saw some threads complaining about the "cartoony graphics" but thats about it so far.

More vagina throne warmers while the men rule.

Oh, the misogyny.

You mean the only good one?

Well that's a poorly timed truck

I know right? If only there were a place, where you could talk about these things without this sexism. Wherever could you go

Catherine is pretty important. But it is blatant pandering in this case.

Are you saying there is a place on the internet where I can be free from all these MISOGYNERDS and their SHITLORD attitude?

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Civilization is a shitty game that just exploits people with maniac-compulsive disorder

Most turn based garbage thrives on this, people are allured at first because they are into history or because they are goddamn casuals that cant handle SKILLZ but they stay because they get conditioned like fucking lab rats

TL;DR Turn based games are fucking garbage

chess is the tool of satan then

I don't necessarily agree with him, but in case of chest… well, did you know that the best chest players of the world basically learn all the possible combinations over the long years of always playing that game? So it's more about pattern recognition that creativity. And autists are pretty good at pattern recognition.

But people have created new rulesets for chess to counter that.

Also, good job bitching about balance issues and cheesing in a game 1500 years old.

What a bunch of fucking faggots, they could've added Napoleon or like OP said Joan of Ark.

Because the game is ugly and the gameplay looks so boring no one has anything to say about it

Seconded.

I wanna be kinda hype for IV, but then expansions will happen anyway…

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Chess at least is way more complex than every shitty turn based game ever. That kind of casual filter keeps the retards away.

You could have spent as much effort making those parts good instead of shit.


13 year old who only played it on Steam confirmed

This, Civ III was a masterpiece. V was aesthetically pleasing but far too easy, though quite addictive. Unbelievable that they went back to the shitty half-assed cartoon aesthetics of IV.

Blame Germany. Firaxis would have to make two versions of the game with two separate leaders just to sell in their censorship happy shithole.

Weow, she won the special Olympics.
Also fuck you, it should always be Napoleon.

if they make pericles or gilgamesh black ima be pissed.

not gonna buy this shit until its finished. and only for super cheap

how do you make a game look WORSE than your predecessor?

(((style)))

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Bending over for diversity/feminist pandering makes one a cuck, this isn't hard to understand. Fag was rarely used literally, and like it or not cuck is shaping up to be the most effective insult in a long time judging by how butthurt it makes everyone. If it were really as ineffectual and stupid as you claim, there wouldn't be nearly as much moaning about the rise of it.

As long as fugtrup can make porn of her, I don't care.

(CAPTCHA: "TARDPC", heh, that was funny)

Why would you wait until now to drop Civilization 5-2: Electric Boogaloo by a company whose latest releases include Civilization 5 in Space, Civilization 5 presents XCOM, and Civilization 5?

There have been seven empresses of Japan and they resorted to the sun goddess?
Shamefur dispray.

What fuck kind of race is she anyway?

Also, I think the background in that image may actually be a fucking Roller Coaster Tycoon screenshot.
Jesus Christ that VN is an abomination.

Gee, I do wonder why people assume the worst.

No they weren't. Holla Forums Holla Forums hasn't been good for almost a year now.

I hope they change the same fucking leaders i ve seen in every other civ game so that we get to use different abilities / gimmicks /whatever you call them

I am frankly sick of china always being a zerg nation, usa a warmachine, and india a stack poo pile.

Fuck you OP.