Theft of Surplus Labor

You are not paid what your labor is worth. You never have been. Why are you content for this state of affairs to continue, and remain under the thumb of the capitalist class for the rest of your life? Isn't it a bit cucked to not want to advance your own self interest and try to obtain a little material security for yourself and your family?
Why would a financier ever back a movement that would rob him of his status?
You can't seriously defend Hitler and then expect this old scrap of propaganda to work, can you? Workers' states and communes have been successfully created many times (see the Paris Commune, Hungarian Soviet Republic, Free Socialist Republic of Germany, Catalonia, Rojava, etc.) only to be crushed by capitalist armies. For hundreds of years, Europeans shared land and lived communally on the feudal level. Up until the Napoleonic Wars, there were hundreds of free cities.

Before you die in a war for the sake of the rich, please consider more thoroughly investigating anarchist and Marxist thought rather than dismissing it out of hand and spewing artifact laden macros.

Haha, your board owner is a tranny. Just report this thread anons, I doubt OP is coming back.

Why does it bother you so much what other people do with themselves? And how does this justify a lifetime of wage slavery?

Your board owner is mentally ill; he thinks he's actually a woman. Be gone, Jew.

I get it, you have an awful lot of traps to get off to and 12 year old children to recruit with five year old memes. It's fine if you can't muster any explanation at all for why you let yourselves get walked all over.

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I'm going to find you and kill you.

triggered

At least you don't like sonic, you've got that going for you.

That's your response? Why do you feel the need to placate the delusions of someone so out of touch with reality that they refuse to accept they are the sex that they're born? Those sorts of people are within your fold. Additionally, feel free to not participate in the labor market. That is completely up to you; however, if you think people become benevolent once they seize political power and set up some sort of quasi-utopia for all to be equal in is possible considering human nature, then I shouldn't be shocked you'd think someone with a dick is actually a woman.

I don't care about trivial things like people dressing in unconventional ways and calling themselves names that are somehow off limits.
The alternatives are starvation and revolution, and I have no intentions of the former and you would be somewhat displeased by the later.

I'm a personal trainer and set my own rates. I am paid exactly what my labor is worth (even though the idea of labor having a "correct" value is retarded).

You know real Marxist-leninists would send you to a work camp or simply kill you, right?

Congratulations, you're petite bourgeoisie! Ever get sick of the state taking a cut? Periodic downturns ever piss you off? You could also achieve much greater wealth under anarchism.

Stalin was pretty reactionary, but that's not really news at this point.

Wrong. If you loath employers so much, start your own business. It's easier than you think. If you don't like it, feel free to live off the land. I do suggest you stop being a prattling pimple on society's ass and get a discernible skill-set that is in demand and find a decent job. Unless you're too fucking stupid to do so and want to continue on the whole victimhood-of-the-system complex, which is just as fine.
Like facing reality and mental illness? No kiddo, those aren't "trivial things".
It's latter. Thought you'd learn that in your first year of community college you're obviously still attending. Or you can remember it by remembering it's spelled like one of those things you make at work: a latte'.

What do you think of the jews and the concept of race in general?

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You will be killed in the real revolution, tardo.

Is there anything wrong with feudalism? You have a chance, however slim, at becoming a nobleman, after all.
That's the trouble with private property, people have claimed monopolies to the use of vast tracts of land which sit fallow all year round.

Being so attached to skin tone that you allow yourself to be manipulated with it is just silly.

Have fun hiring tsarist bureaucrats.

sage

sage

why aren't you?

Flawless logic, you really got me there.

There are holes in capitalism and labor is being devalued at an alarming rate. I get it. But I have a hard time believing all those burger flippers and factory workers know jackshit how to manage and run a business. People are not equal.

Muh six million. Ignore all the economic bits where he threw out all of the bankers and established a labor backed currency goy.

And which (((war))) would that be?

I'm fucking rich. Globally I'm in the top 10%. I live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. 90% of the world lives in relative shit and slaves all day to make trinkits for me. Why the fuck would I ever want to change that?

Communism is cancer because it demands that I give up my wealth to help some faggot who couldn't navigate the waters himself. And by faggot I mean some nigger and his low IQ children. If you want to get serious and talk about ethnic homogenous societies then that is a different story. But you're not.

Here is where we differ and this is important for you to realize. At some point in time I learned that people are not equal. That is the difference between you and I. It is also the main schism between your ideology and mine. You fuckers always have me until you spout some bullshit about muh human rights and muh racisms and muh feminism and muh poor niggers. You believe people are (((all the same))) and I beg to fucking differ. It's not my burden to take care of you OP Communism is just one big fat fucking burden.

Shoo Shoo Commie Jew

I appreciate the concern, but nowadays my labor is stolen from me by the government to import, feed, clothe, and house shitskins with whom I neither share nor desire kinship and the marxists attack me for objecting to the theft of my labor for such things. My boss is a cool guy and pays me what I'm worth though he's me

What is involved in managing a business? Advertising? That can be dispensed with. Fussing with numbers? Also pointless after the market is no more. Payroll? There won't be one.
Like how the word "privatization" was coined in the pages of the Economist to describe Hitler's economic policy? What about how he messed up his country's currency so much that they needed to barter with weapons? Or how about how he needed to advance his invasion schedule just to get the gold reserves of crumby little tin pot eastern European countries?
If you own any investment vehicles or employ people, you are the burden. Workers don't need their bosses, bosses need their workers. You could be done away with, and everyone else could proceed on their merry way without you profiting off of them.
Like pic related?

The USSR had one sixth of the earths land and 70 years to accomplish their goals. result 100 million deaths from starvation and gulag executions, grinding poverty for the majority of people, a totalitarian state and complete failure. If it were not for wall street funding, the USSR would have failed in the 1920's. capitalism has its flaws but its a lot better than shit tier communism. communism is slavery.

>(((socialism)))
Please kill yourself. Now, while you can do it painlessly. A war is coming, and no matter which side wins, the winner will torture you to death.

Fucking kek.
It's not that hard making money nowadays. It might be harder later on, but right now it's pretty easy.
Heck, a friend of mine spent 500$ on some tools and is now making quite a bit of money selling carpentry to rich boomers with the skills he got for free on the internet.
Also, the price of labour is relative to the demand of said labour, so "not being paid what my labour is worth" doesnt really make sense.

Sage again. Also I declare this the shill thread for tonight. Go mad shills.

Watch this.

That isn't what slavery means. Anyway, plenty of us aren't even defenders of Capitalism. Mussolini himself was a communist until they kicked him out for being a nationalist. We use whatever works, even communism if it's what's best for the people, which is the one thing we care about. The major difference between us isn't in the economic side but that you're a globalist and we're nationalists. Funnily, just a few decades ago the left was strongly against globalism.

/k/ has noguns shitposting, we get nojob shitposting. Maybe dont talk shit about things you havent done and dont clearly understand?

A lot of hard work before you ever get to advertising or employees

Holla Forums GTFO.

Where does your employer's profit come from, then? You generate more money for them than they pay you.Their profit is made up of money which you rightfully should have earned.

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here but an economically illiterate Holla Forums kike who's trying to recruit fresh meat for his dying board.

are you serious

Hey how's Venezuela working out for you?

We are not capatalists we are facists or national socalists or some sort of weird monarchist guilded system.

Your labor is worth whatever the free market dictates your labor is worth. If you feel you have a better skill set for the time you're investing then fucking do it. Burger flipping doesn't have an inherent value anymore than being the person at the register, or cleaning the floor or managing everyone else do it. It's a mixture of job duty, required education, personal skill and company income. Whatever job you get accepted to is how much your labor is worth.

If you want the state to run everything instead of the workers, you are not a real socialist.

Marx was an incompetent that didnt understand Hegal and couldnt even begin to comprehend the working class. Socalism from a bourgeis worldview and Marx was bourgeis becomes communism. Socalism from a normal persons perspective is called facism.

top fucking pleb

Yeah, no shit, otherwise they wouldn't hire me, they aren't a charity after all. The only reason you exchanged your money for the shiny gadget you're reading this on is you thought the gadget was worth more than the money. But why would the shop sell it to you then? Thing is, for them the money is worth more than the gadget. Same goes for employers/employees: one sees the work as more valuable, the other the cash.
Says who? Unless you can take the money from them, it's theirs.

I'd bet a fair number of them actually could. The biggest impedance to running your own restaurant or what have you is Capital, the cost of complying with kike regulations (nearly 40% of the cost of healthcare is complying with regulations) and more recently our Globalist-Kike trade policies that has destroyed many non service sector jobs. You could also toss in mass immigration and the welfare state as another instrument that's bleeding people dry of the necessary capital to be self sufficient and run their own business.

I think these factors play a far larger role than "Hur dur idiots". Indeed you can look at the data of just the last 40-50yrs and see the downward spiral in the number of Americans who are self-employed; which goes hand in hand with the creeping Socialist/Globalist/Jewish takeover of our government.

Im sure Marx, Lenin, Stalin andTrotsky were the workers right? I hope the absurdity of saying a country of millions of people being governed by every single worker isnt lost on you.

Do you know Hegals last words? Its important that you do. It is
and he didnt understand me.

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It's Hegel*, user. Also, capitalist*, fascist* and socialist*

fascism has nothing to do with workers owning the means of production, you mongoloid niggergoblin

You do realize that your employer has to also spend money to get materials for his workers, pay for his workers benefits which is an example why socialism reduces the worker's pay because those benefits like insurance and vacation come out of your pay, finding consumers for the product, and if he's doesn't break even he has to eat the loss. This isn't even getting into details like the differences in work quality and taxes.

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And what if you are proven wrong? You are placing your opinion above facts because a marxist worldview falls apart when you realize man is more then his economic condition. If you were not a bourgeis enemy of the worker you would know money isnt what the working class cares about.

The means of production is a useless buzzword you use to change goal posts

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Why did the USSR fail?

i seriously hope you don't think this

Says the commie fuck without the testosterone to be assertive enough to negotiate a higher wage for their productivity.

If we could just magic away human nature, I'd be completely on board with libertarian communism. Hell, I'd even be okay with Closed-Border Nationalism + Socialism, but the former is wholly incompatible with human evolutionary psychology and is a fantasy land, and we're too far gone demographically to make the latter happen.

Basically, capitalism with shit people is fucking terrible, but socialism/communism with shit people is completely unworkable.

Once I achieve this wealth, will I still be surrounded by niggers?

If we could just magic away human nature, I'd be completely on board with libertarian communism. Hell, I'd even be okay with Closed-Border Nationalism + Socialism, but the former is wholly incompatible with human evolutionary psychology and is a fantasy land, and we're too far gone demographically to make the latter happen.

Basically, capitalism with shit people is fucking terrible, but socialism/communism with shit people is completely unworkable.>>10181932

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Why is culture unimportant?
Why is race unimportant?
Why do you try and break up the social contract?
You do realize nation, race, culture and religion are things only the working class care about

Not true.
First, labor has no inherent value.
Second, you only create wealth together with the rest of an organization. Your labor by itself is worth nothing without maintenance, distribution, machinery, etc of someone else.

If you think you can do everything by yourself or with a group of equals, go for it. There is nothing stopping you from setting up a coop. If coops really are better in every way, then they would be more popular as they would out compete hierarchical businesses.
In reality, a set hierarchy is the most efficient way to run things and socialists would rather complain on imageboards instead of trying to build socialism themselves.

holy shit is that linkara on the right?

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It wouldn't bother me if you didn't demand gibsmes and parade it around in my face 24/7

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I love this Holla Forums meme. Always good for a cheap laugh.

The correct answer here is that there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. In other words, there is no choice when you're being coerced with violence.

Lefties are right about that.

Are you a fucking idiot? This has been debunked a billion years ago.

Same reason they've backed antifa for years. Because they are useful idiots and never once has antifa gone after the bourgeois like they're supposed to because they are funded and lead by billionaires and the state to be useful idiots who accomplish nothing except street thuggery that goes nowhere and never gets them anywhere closer to communism or anarchy just the opposite even seeing modern times economics, the widening divide, and superstatism via the EU. Like I said, USEFUL IDIOTS.


Stopped reading there. ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? THEY TURNED ON EACH OTHER, IT'S HELD UP AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY COMMIES WILL ALWAYS FAIL. HITLER NEEDED THREE SUPERPOWERS IN THE WORLD TO DEFEAT HIS IDEOLOGY AND HE STILL ALMOST WON. HITLER'S IDEOLOGY SHOWED RESULTS IN AS LITTLE AS A FEW YEARS WHERE GERMANY WENT FROM POOREST TO RICHEST. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE RIGHT. FUCK OFF.

get back in your fucking hole you disgusting frankenstein tranny faggot

Funny how Soviet propaganda always shows images of Aryans when depicting their good goys.
Jews must truly know how disgusting they look.

SAGE

gas yourself

I'm sorry the labor theory of value cannot be explained with pepe memes, you folks have a good night.

Would honestly like to know why commies aren't going around setting up coops.