Freemasonry: The TRUTH

I read that Hitler was a 31st degree Mason before he formed the Thule Society because (((you know who))) never let him get to the final advanced ranks.

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RISE OF FAKE MASONRY IS IT THE JEUITS OR THE ROSY CRUSTACEANS?

Would make sense, since German masonry has been fucked for a very long time.

Much of the Thule Society and various other esoteric orders that rose at that time, particularly surrounding Paganism, were astoundingly correspondent to the teachings of the higher degrees.

youtube.com/watch?v=6_UXfAwXcUs&t=5197s

Excellent lecture on Esoteric Germany by 33rd Degree Mason, Manly P Hall. Explore the whole series

youtube.com/watch?v=HXOArX-BKxE&list=PLACixZkUG8sroD8ZDqIcoDdDGFeF_eh_K

Unbelievable wisdom of the German, Aryan, and Pagan ideologies.

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also, Masons did investigations into "Jewish Persecution" in Germany, and figured it all to be complete bullshit. Keep in mind, he is considered Masonry's Best Philosopher of all time.

Pt. 1

Manly P hall on "Jewish persecution in Germany"
I have here a letter from a good Frater in New Jersey who would like us to say something to counteract the general American idea that all Jews are being persecuted by Hitler or by the German government in Germany.

Very fortunately I made a thorough investigation of this matter while I was touring with some of the supreme officers and advanced members of our Order at the conclusion of the regular Mediterranean cruise. Now it is well enough for those who have been supporting the anti-German and anti-Hitler propaganda to claim that you cannot learn the truth by going as a stranger to Germany and asking a few questions. If that were all we had done in Germany I would not be making any statements now based upon the little information we would have gained. I know human nature well enough to know that if there were any real wide-spread serious propaganda in Germany against the Jews, and I—or a few of us—went into the highways of Germany and openly asked questions about it, we probably would get false answers because of the fear of the persons living in Germany of telling the truth.
But, that is not the way we made our investigation, and I am going to state some facts that I know very well will be challenged by those individuals in America who are anxious to maintain the anti-Hitler propaganda and by those who will claim that the Imperator and the supreme officers are pro-German and anti-Jewish and pro-everything and anti-something-else.

I know that all of our members who have been in the Order for more than five years have been amused at times by criticisms made in other publications regarding AMORC and its officers and the attitude of the Order. For years we were accused of being not only essentially Roman Catholic in our spirit but a part and parcel of some form of Jesuit propaganda. This was followed soon by other articles of criticism which claimed to be based upon incontrovertible facts that proved that AMORC and its officers were being paid and sponsored by the Jewish propaganda that was being spread in America and that we were one hundred per cent anti-Roman Catholic. Then we were accused of being socialist supporters of Soviet Russia, anti-American, and what not. Every time we venture to state a truth regarding some movement, some individual, or some phase of human emotion, the persons who do not agree with us accuse us of being paid by and supported by those that represent the opinions we have expressed.
However, I am now going to lay myself open to further criticism of this kind, and I will be able to stand it just as I have all of the other criticisms for the past thirty or more years.

In the first place, those of us who were touring as representatives of the highest section of our Order deliberately went to parts of Germany where we could find the facts. We went to Cologne on the banks of the Rhine. We went to Berlin, one of the headquarters of Hitler, and his form of government. We went through other German cities and sections until we arrived at Munich, which is the other, or second, headquarters of Mr. Hitler and his form of Government.

Pt. 2

In all of the larger cities and the smaller cities we found stores and various forms of businesses of all kinds and classifications being openly conducted and generously patronized by Jewish people, with Jewish names and every outward indication of being members of and adherents to the Jewish faith and Jewish synagogues. We talked with a great many of these shopkeepers, storekeepers and business men without asking them pointedly the questions that others might ask, but we found that they were orthodox Jews and openly acknowledged it right in the presence of scores of Germans, natives who were not Jews, and even on some occasions in the presence of officials of the German government.
We found Jewish synagogues in an excellent state of preservation in all of these cities, and even some new ones being built, and none in any form of destruction. We found that on Saturdays these synagogues were being attended in the usual manner and without any attempt on the part of the Jews to evade being seen going into or coming out of the synagogues. We noted that in some cities the leading business houses were conducted by Jews, and as well patronized as those that were conducted by Christians or those of no religious faith.

In several cities I talked with the rabbis or other leaders connected with the Jewish synagogues and found them to be much surprised and much annoyed by the propaganda in America that intimated that all Jews were being persecuted and that the Jewish religion was being interfered with. In each instance they told me that the membership of their church has not diminished but either held its own or has increased. Not one of them could recall a single instance where the regular services or activities of his synagogue or the practice of his faith had been interfered with by government decree, by local officers, or by any of Mr. Hitler’s rulings.
I also found this true in connection with the Roman Catholic church and the Roman Catholic religion. But I particularly learned, as did the others in my party, that the propaganda in America had led us to believe that all Jews in Germany were being persecuted because they were Jews, and not because of any outrageous acts that a few might have performed, and not because they had been violators of some law like any other human being. It is true that in Germany a violator of the law is punished regardless of his religion, but not one of them had been punished because he was a Jew, nor was his punishment made any more extreme or any different because he was a Jew.

I hope that these facts will help some to realize that there is a very definite form of false propaganda being carried on in the American newspapers and magazines because of European conditions and it is only fair to say that the same kind of false propaganda is being carried on in European newspapers regarding conditions in America. We learned and heard more surprising stories regarding conditions in America than we could ever have imagined. Yet the people of Europe are gradually being led to believe these stories and the purpose of this false propaganda is to create unrest and to bring factions and classes of people into contest and disagreement and help the tendencies toward national and international wars.
It is a horrible thing to think, but it is an absolute fact, that there are groups of individuals in every country of the world who are not righteous enough to pray for war but are devilish enough to invent every scheme and form of propaganda that will eventually lead to war. They have either commercial or business benefits to gain from international clashes, and of course, in some cases it is political benefit that animates some groups of individuals in sponsoring and promulgating the false propaganda in this country and in Europe.
—-Manly P Hall on "Jewish" Persecution in Germnay

The Jews. They're not even allowed to be Freemasons according to the OP.

The only problem I see is that they were taken over by the KGB. I don't even know how they can be considered Christianity after that.

>I read that Hitler was a 31st degree Mason before he formed the Thule Society because (((you know who))) never let him get to the final advanced ranks.
Thule was shut down and SS replaced it. I doubt it would of been run out of town if that were true.

Rosicrucians, Especially the European orders were not bad people. They created much of our music, our sciences and their idealism shaped the western world as we know it.

HOWEVER, one group of Rosicrucians, in the United States known as AMORC was a Jewish funded Black Magic cult that fraternized with the Thelemic Black magic autist Aleister Crowley.

Manly P hall mentions their ways in a previous post

The first, and righteous Rosicrucian Order in the States was Fraternatis Rosae Crucis founded by Rueben Swinburne Clymer. You can get much of his PDF's online today. I own about 20 or 30 of his books, and he is a DEVOUT Jew slayer, and an advocate of the Aryan Race as he wrote extensively on the matter.

That's weird - I used to watch this guy preach like 15 years ago

There's nothing more globalist than Freemasonry.

False.

NWO (New World Order) = Corrupted Jewish Masons, Fabian Socialists, Communists, and "The Grand Design" of post WW2.

NOA (New Order of the Ages) = Nationalism which was the obvious intent of the Original Masons.

This is something that overwhelms plebs but it's not that hard to understand. Especially Eastern Europeans that have been programmed by anti-Americanism and anti-Nationalism.

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of course they are going to smear them, there has been an active kike driven anti-mason agenda since the Wiggs

ia802601.us.archive.org/20/items/Indo-aryanDeitiesAndWorship-AsContainedInTheRigVeda/Albert_Pike_Indo-Aryan_Deities_And_Worship_-_As_BookFi.org.pdf

This was in the last thread on this topic, and this book was a game changer in my world view of masons.

I'm only thirty pages in but Pike posits the idea that the persians greeks and hindus were all birthed from the early Aryan Vedas which through study clearly pre date the hebrew religions. He states that because of the domination of christianity the scholars who studied the vedas were careful not to mention this obvious fact.

Furthermore the Vedas and Hindu mythology being the earliest recorded mythos at a time of what he consider human infancy proves aryans at their basest have never been barbarians. The conceptions of the earlier Aryan Vedas surpassed the depths of beliefs of anyone else for thousands of years and forced the other religions to evolve when they came into contact with them .

Basically it was clear in his study of the earliest hymns that the early Aryans did not make the mistake of thinking the sun was an actual entity or god, but understanding there was an abstract power that the sun represents in physical world, the same for fire water wind and earth. Hence the creators of astrology and so on.

He states the Abrahamic religion is a religion of the Semites who had not even considered the idea of a spirit or after life until coming into contact with the Persians thousand of years later.

This helped me understand why the Nazis were rumored to go study hinduism from Tibetan monks. Also the degeneration of the aryan teachings as they are taught by barbarians…

He is definitely /ourguy and this is a gem in my search for answers.

This supports my gut feeling that even christianity which played such an important part in my life is not a true representation of my deeper spiritual leanings.

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Good thread OP. This information lines up with a podcast I listened to recently.

radioaryan.com/search/label/Aryan Esoterica

It's a podcast from Sven Longshanks discussing Miguel Serrano and Esoteric Hitlerism.

The guy was saying exactly what you're saying that the original sin was a race-mixing sin.

Where can I find more info?

The film was commissioned in 1942 by the Propaganda Abteilung, a delegation of Nazi Germany's propaganda ministry within occupied France by the ex-Mason Mamy. It virulently denounces Freemasonry, parliamentarianism and Jews as part of Vichy's drive against them and seeks to prove a Jewish-Masonic plot.

Are you considering ending your life yet? You should be.

A new order for whom? The world? Globalism.
Notice that all the masonic countries were on the same side in WW2, and the NSDAP banned it.

FOR GOOD REASON

Masonry seekers set themselves up by looking for personally empowering information on the occult and "supernatural/paranormal" and get stuck inside a typical pyramid structure. The english parliamentary system, the mormon religion, scientology, they all take from the same pyramid obsessed occult organization.

They have NO business being anywhere near nationalism. I don't give a fuck if some of the founding fathers were deistic masons. Some of them REALLY WERE NOT.

The fact they are organized and secret without any reason to be so proves that they are deleterious to Nationalism. There can't be secret plotting institutions in a Nationalist country. Especially a National Socialist country. We have no time for this bullshit.

Every masonic thread, you get these faggots who refuse to read and just spew the typical memes that have been repeated so many times they become (((Truth))). Although not surprising, superstitious and neurotics always take the epistemological short road and it ends in them thinking every secret organization is created to destroy them.

…New Order of the Ages, or otherwise known as the Universal Brotherhood, one that Mosley preached.

READ THE FUCKING THREAD YOU DUMB NIGGER

FOR NATIONALISM YOU FUCKING RETARD

That's what it meant. Before that the world was controlled by Monarchies, Catholics and the Church of England.

Scientology = Navy Intelligence. It's straight up brainwashing using psychology and has nothing to do with the mystery schools, but more MK Ultra. If you knew how to mind fuck people, you would see it right away. L Ron uses more Buddhism than Freemasonry.

The english parliamentary system? Are you saying this because you're pro-monarchy? Explain your shitpost.

Yeah it does borrow Mormons do borrow a lot, but they also borrow from all Protestants.

Well they engineered it. You can't re-tell history, user.

So then Nations can have no churches because that's exactly what churches do, especially the clandestine Catholics who's Pope sits in the Vatican legislating American laws from his thrown!

Italian mason, Giuseppe Mazzini, invented nationalism to break up empires and create global republic.

youtube.com/watch?v=HHVKz2C3s8U

Either way, that's not what Freemasonry is now though.

Besides, what about the French Freemasons who were instrumental in the French Revolution? Furthermore, even if the origins of Freemasonry were uncorrupted, the ideas of Universal Brotherhood and the like are rooted in the Jewish ideas of Christianity. Unless I'm wrong in that analysis?

Will read.

I've been tricked to believe that Pike was a Jew and now I don't know what to think.

Well that's just larping.

Interesting.

I would love to know when and WHY the Aleister Crowley /fringe/ type occultism came to dominate the scene. I'm starting to think it was the 1960s

very well said OP. now this is TRUTH.

Hi, Smiley

That's the point of this thread. French Revolutionaries were pretty crazy. Cult of Reason was interesting but I think things got out of hand.

Either way, Rothschild came to power over England's wealth after Napoleon fell and everything went to shit.

Thanks. I should of wrote it better but…

I suppose thats why nationhood and national pride never existed prior to Mazzini right?

fucking retard.

Because it was a natural reaction to being excluded from real esoteric orders.

Crowley was ostracized and banned from joining any legitimate masonic or esoteric order because he was an edgy retard who could not comprehend the mysteries. Because of this, he created the OTO (which was also banned form associating with any legitimate Esoteric Body) and tried to rival the White Lodges.

he advocated for the ((Black))) lodge which is entirely (((Black Magic))) which is essentially Jewry, usury and exploitation.

This is universally understood as "Do what thou wilt", DO WHATEVER YOU WANT THERE ARE NO MORAL CONSEQUENCES.

Because of this he died a drug addicted, and syphilis infected. Wrote extensively about Sex magic, which its essential philosophy was the more fucked up sexual acts you perform, the more power you gain in the material world.

Satanists, edgy black magic fags and Jews all collude. Its a hedonistic and erotic behavior, almost like demons.

This isn't unlike how things have been throughout history however, and the dualistic depictions even of the finest art show the Angels who come to bestow unrelenting and unmerciful judgement upon the wicked.

in Rosicrucian philosophy, they proclaim that YOU are a part of that process, YOU still based in Idealism and love of God BRING PUNISHMENT TO THE WICKED.

All this modern Theology is completely cucked teaching man not to do anything, and that God & the angels from heaven will save them from their own inaction.

Also, Pike is not a jew. Please read morals and dogma, You wiill be completely floored. The man was a brilliant mind and a Patriot beyond measure.

EVERYTHING we are fighting right now can be explained in that book, and it will give you so much passion and drive to keep up this eternal struggle

It seems like high level free masonry turned a little luciferian after its power struggle with the Vatican. i.e. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". So more an adoption for political reasons than religious.

Examples?

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Got any links to books? Everything I'm finding is behind sign ups and paywalls.

Ok, I actually found some of his books if anyone was interested besides myself.
archive.org/search.php?query=creator:"Clymer, R. Swinburne (Reuben Swinburne), 1878-1966"

Freemasonry exists in several stages, and almost anything you could say about one stage will be contradicted in a later stage.

In earliest form, it is a cluster of cultic practices having to do with ransoming a stone building from the earth, and protecting it with a genius loci. This is the cornerstone stuff. It survives into the Christian era because of the skill required to build complex structures protected the cults and allowed them to continue. An important building of those times would have involved interring a human sacrifice (which could be a person killed accidentally during construction), this continued well into the 1500's.

A second stage occurs when the complex memory work and signs of recognition are put to use by James II as a means of uniting his supporters, especially those in exile in France, Sweden, Rhineland states etc. The Stuarts continued to expand this until bankrupted, at that point Jews and/or Jesuits infiltrated and began to use it as a tool for regicide of non Roman Catholic monarchs, and aristocrats who didn't pay their debts to the moneylenders.

The English crown became wise to this, and twisted Masonry further into a vehicle worthy for it's own use. This is the "Grand lodge" era, they also had similar operations in the Oddfellows, Druids, and Orange Order.

Jews and/or Jesuits completely corrupted Continental Freemasonry and it was separated from British varieties to maintain their respective control networks.

Many smaller lodge systems began to break out, some of which were nothing more than smuggler networks, these had free reign in the Americas. Smugglers carried books, especially those which were banned, John Toland, Richard Payne-Knight etc. building upon the tradition of Bible translation and distribution of the previous century. A mason of these times would have regarded Christianity as an allegory, and would have entertained some variety of Pantheism or possibly the atheism of Voltaire or Franklin.

The 33 degrees of masonry are distractions and filters in recruitment of best goyim and Jews who will be pawns (useful idiots) or for the elite, join the Illuminati (the eye and capstone of the mason pyramid above the 33 degree [the last step of the pyramid]- refer to US $1 bill) Those who reach the 33 degree are guaranteed to not oppose the will of the eye.

https:[email protected]/* *//why-do-nationalists-divide-and-conquer-their-own-movements

Found the source of the corruption

As an aside, this belief is correct. The mystery school must reflect the nation however, and therefore must incorporate a racialist component.

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heavy post.

When will the Rosicrucian bring judgement? And will they use nanobots, haha?

I wasn't impressed by Morals and Dogma. I have a background in mythology and understood it to be a poor man's 19th Century analysis of mythology. What did I miss?

hmmmm….

This. Beware of /fringe/ and "everything is esoteric" meme. He's ruined too many threads.

Can you expand upon this? Also where did the Oddfellows and Druids come from?

Yeah. I don't know if it needs to be a mystery though. At least not anymore. The mystery now seems to be a problem. Although the plebs have a tendency to demoralize everything.

OP are you a mason?

no… I'm a poorfag with a good sense of narratives.

…for narratives.

Why can't I post?

I g-guess I'll j-just walk in one day and give the tiler a firm normalfag handshake…

There are basically two reasons for the "mystery" function. The first is that the process of initiation and learning the mystery reinforces all of the important aspects of higher level socialization. This is most evident in the form of things like birth/naming rituals, coming of age rituals, and other things which create a link between community and spirituality. The second function of the mystery process is that a true mystery school should be entirely based in an oral tradition which emphasizes the exactness with which one must memorize every intonation of the canon (as seen in Vedic culture). This acts to both ensure that each initiate truly knows the material and that the same material is passed on. There is an intertwining of these two functions in terms of the student-teacher transmission of the oral tradition.

The secrecy of a mystery school actually shouldn't be that great, because the entire point is that every member of the nation should be included in the tradition in the same way that every individual is included in the community. It's not really about secrecy so much as the intimate nature of learning. Mystery schools which veil themselves from the folk are somewhat suspect, although many traditions hold that the highest tiers of mystery (direct occultic knowledge) are a danger to the observer and thus best left to shamans.

Damn
That was a good post.

The Druids (they say) had the same system of oral tradition. The student would start in a cave and begin memorizing the ideas.

Unfortunately that may have contributed to their demise.

The SS version of that might have fulfilled this but we'll never know. Certainly the American version would of if not for the intense, yet slow, derogation of the Republic.

Yeah, definitely not for the young (those under say 30yrs old).

Unlikely they wouldn't have been rather more devout. Sure there would be the odd pantheist, but the standard Mason would certainly be as devout as the rest of the choir.

Masons = Judaism and Kaballah for good goyim.

Desert eagle is a kike gun

It seems that all of the original folkloric traditions which arose from the Younger Dryas collapse regard the oral form as explicitly superior to a literary religion. Based on the discovery of religious sites with acoustic properties specialized for resonating with chanting human voices (a feature which even bleeds into the architecture of the Cucktian era), it's likely that the actual recitation of verse was a defining part of the ritual based on using subsonics to alter consciousness. The most extreme forms of this kind of theory range to the esoteric traditions which hold that the creation of certain vibrations is itself a powerful divine act, in which case the importance of an exact oral tradition is pretty clear. This can be seen in the Vedic tradition quite clearly, and there are some fascinating parallels between different throat singing practices as well as other things such as Aboriginal ritual.

1987, 1927… That's still within the time frame of the arguments of this thread.

Yeah that sounds like the Vedas to me.

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Where can I learn more about the Vedas, user?

It's the exact same thing every time: throw in enough archaic words while bashing the Jews, and the entire board will believe what you're saying.

If you really want to learn about the Freemasons, look for a nearby lodge online and contact someone there. Just don't be an asshole with a chip on his shoulder and you'll learn quite a bit.

In hidden crevices of the Indian sub-continent where some of the oral traditions are supposedly still in existence. Other than that you have to rely on the translations of transcriptions, which can still give you a general idea of certain things. There's also a trend for individuals to claim contact with those secret orders which maintain the oral traditions, but obviously many of them are either outright faked or not representative of the real deal.

It's probably not even too necessary to go out of your way to learn more because of how often esoteric texts will go into descriptions of them. You'll eventually just pick up all you need to know other than reading the Vedas themselves.

Can you literally just walk in? The lodge in my small town's website is 1996 tier. The one in the nearest city has a proper modern website however with application form, which is more appealing to the shitposter psyche. Do they know you browse Holla Forums and is that an instant disqualifier?

Get the fuck out freemasonic-kike.

I'd call them first and mention that you're curious about Freemasonry. You can ask them whatever you like. As long as you're respectful and genuinely curious, you'll get to find out quite a lot about Freemasonry, no membership required.

If you're sincerely interested in joining after you learn about what it really is/really isn't, you can ask for an application. And no, don't tell them that you browse Holla Forums… in fact, why would you tell ANYONE that IRL?

A Freemason who can't read for shit. How contrarian.

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Thanks. I've been interested in a while even though it seems rather incompatible with what most of the posters here believe. The reaction is so predictable whenever it gets mentioned here. I don't, and never would tell anyone I come here. But I'm glad to hear there aren't Masonic hackers with my name in a database somewhere (unless there are…. Jim…) that would vote no' just because they didn't like some shitpost.

This reminds me of Pythagoras, he basically had all these seven principals in his school with a huge influence on Plato on other philosophers, mathematicians and politicians . And like this user say

they had to play music to enter the pythagorean school with the "mathēmatikoi" (teachers) and the "akousmatikoi" (listeners). I don't know if Pythagoras was the 1st freemason but that's already 2500 years ago.
According to Manly P. Halls, secret societies today still possess some of the knowledge of Pythagoras, but with his death "the great key to this science was lost".

I don't know if it's true but to me it look like there's two groups of freemasons. Those who study the numbers and geometry like the Rosicrucians and those who don't, like Albert Pike. Either way, Pythagoras played a huge part in freemasonry just wanted to point that out.

The whole "music of the spheres" concept is a very interesting little thing which seems to tie together reality, sound/vibration, and perception. Even the Semites of the Abrahamic tradition carries over this sort of concept from the time of their colonization by Europoids, though of course they pervert it beyond usability to the point where a massive emphasis on literary works becomes a common trait.

Thule is alive and well thank you very much.

Yep.

Am I ever going to make it in time? I feel like a great happening with happen and I wont be ready with immense knowledge.
On another note, I'm also on the side reading The Epic of Gilgamesh. Is there any sort of deeper meaning, or certain points to it that I should be observant of? It seems rather simple as it stand, but I haven't read past his realization of his mortality and his decision to go into the Land of the Cedars, which I could assume to be Lebanon?
My bypass isn't working, oddly

he most certainly did.

If Masons are on our side, how come they're not doing anything to dethrone the Jew?

This is largely true, but I do actually wonder what L Ron's intentions were originally. His "Mind Control Manual" is actually detrimental to what we're told his later goals were. Also, just as an interesting tidbit, L Ron was, even if not initiated, studied in the techniques of the OTO via Jack Parsons.

Timothy Leary + LSD's doing. Crowley was a faggot and had many problems, but some of his works were actually good. His fanbase are pathetic dysfunctional nuts though.

He didn't actually create it. He took over from Theodor Reuss who, by many accounts, he fucked over.
There's actually a logic to this, but lean too far into fucked up and you lose the "Middle Pillar". Think strategic bombing vs nuclear armageddon.

This. The Sufi schools operate similarly.

Because most Freemasons aren't Freemasons, they're (((Freemasons))). They've been inducted into a kike-controlled Pyramid Scheme. Ramesses did nothing wrong.

Novus Ordo Seclorum + Annuit Coeptis mean 'It is their/his will + New order of the ages'.

Aka it is your own will to make the new order of the ages. We are the new order of the ages as is anyone else who attempts to make their mark in history.

There is also the concept of will and that not willing/claiming rights lands you with squat but what is assured as a govt employee/subject.

Forgot to mention (tired/hungryposting) Annuit Coeptis can also be seen as 'it is gods/his will/they has favoured our undertakings'.

There are quite a few different takes on it if you really go digging.

Basically without will there is no new order. You can be that new order if you want to.

Are you idiot or jew shill?

Good thread topic but complete waste of an OP by typical namefag shitposter.

Fuck off moshe

Who cares, SS>masonry, actual knights, actual warriors, idealists, not fat old faggots inspired by the memes of that kike solomon

I've gotta disagree with you about the Catholics. The Catholics burned the Templars, and the Masons seemed to still hold a grudge. If the Martinists are to be believed, a lot of what went wrong was the Templars taking off on a vengeance quest that led to them getting infiltrated by their enemies. The Masons certainly recruited through the Church (which the Church has always resented strongly), but I don't believe the Masons as such were ever on good terms with the Catholic leadership. But I'm also assuming Manly Hall was being honest about the Templars as being the oldest extant "Masons". Seems to know more about this than I do, so take some of his word for it. My perspective on the whole thing is admittedly a bit skewed.

British Israelism is a derivative of Ariosophy which was the foundation of the Thule and Freicorps. The Freicorps are the model that modern "Orders" are built off of. These led to the Nazi mysteries, codified by Evola. Ariosophy was never fully integrated back into Freemasonry, and itself was derivative of Theosophy. Theosophy was leaked Masonry through HPB and the Order of the Eastern Star. So, Ariosophy came later and was built upon separately from Masonry.

There also are some odd hints that the Nazis really did their homework on Hinduism and the Vedas and this resulted in a much different magical system at the higher levels. The story of Emperor Ashoka and the Nine seems very important to them. It would go a long way into explaining some of the speed of Nazi tech development, especially in certain fields.

That's a pretty Evola-based interpretation. Which isn't surprising, since this is Holla Forums. However, the vast spread and practice of resurrection ritual indicates it was clearly very important in most of the early mystery schools. It was also clearly about more than just memorization and transmission. So, I think there's more to the importance of rituals generally.

Consider the possibility that there is actual power in the experience of certain rituals. For example: how might you behave differently if you knew death was an illusion? Knew it, because you'd already experienced it.

The power bestowed by the knowledge acquired during rituals would be an important reason to limit them to a certain class of persons.

By starting with the Greeks you're laying a good foundation. Most people here start with derivative sources and work the other way. I always tell anons to start with Evola even though I dislike him because it leads to this: more often than not.

This. As of CY+2, masonry is a kike-controlled institution designed to help their agenda of global slavery along. It must be destroyed, pulled up root and branch along with every other anti-white institution and replaced wholesale.

I don't like the implication of this thread that what we have today are Based masons that aren't a threat to us and our agenda, because that's so blatantly not true. I am a simple man with simple measures for our allies: Do they publicly name the Jew? As of now I have yet to see this take place. I understand that the argument is that it's been taken over by the kikes, but that being the case there is no need for their continued existence. Disney was also started by a white man, but at this point I see it as no loss to the world were it to completely implode and burn to the ground.

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No they didn't. Phillip la Bel did. The Vatican tied to save them. And Masons don't care because we don't have actual links to the Templars.

That's a real stretch and you know it.

Some of the higher up Masons seem to believe you do (again, I'm basing this on P Hall's statements), and the Martinists also agree.

Additionally, I personally wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for a certain group smuggling my family when the Church decided to get purge-y for the millionth time. And without some sort of Templar-Mason connection that gets difficult to work out. So again, I have separate information from you.

And by SS that guy means the Nazi mysteries. SSGG was something the Freicorps carved onto their knives, coincidentally.

Chinon Parchment, dude. Pope Clement declared the Templars innocent on all charges, and restored them to full Sacrament.
Nope. Because the only Templar link was invented by a jumped up Scotsman (Andrew Ramsay, in the 18thC) trying to make himself sound good. Apart from that, there is no link.
Why? He wasn't a Mason until late in life.
No we don't.
Ah, my bad. The talk of real knighthoods confused me. Pretty common for people to get that wrong just because a group pretends to have knights.

Masonry is a parody of Christianity used to trap influential people (cops, local businessmen,politicians, usw) and get them under jewish control. Hitler sent them to camps, Franco had them all shot.

Franco was a fucking manlet.
He had them all shot? That's why the spanish political party that inherited his people is a masonic fuck fest. Fuck Franco, he failed Spain to enrich a few.

Even hitler said that he was furious with Franco.agnxtw

I'll admit I was tempted to do that, but I've noticed in most poetry and literature from about the 19th century and back you can hardly move without encountering some reference to Greek mythology (I'm also trying to give myself the complete classical education, all 7 of the liberal arts). But what about the Egyptians and the Mesopotamians?
This is the list I'm on; I'm just about finished with Edith's Mythology.

So manifest destiny in a sense.

British Israelism is like 1000yrs old though. It was only in the last 100yrs of so when Jews started pushing their, "we're chosen and no one else" sentiment that it became less popular.

Templar larping is a myth though. They have nothing to do with Mason guilds.

Evola is total pseud-intellectual garbage and has nothing to do with NatSoc. It's a meme pushed on Holla Forums for years by /fringe/ (Smiley). Alfred Rosenberg codified if anyone did. His writings on Buddhism were good though.

Skip Evola, it's the neet's handbook. See above comment.

What has he done to earn such scorn?
When I read his Wikipedia article, he hit all the right buttons for me. He seemed to be border on being a non-fiction HP Lovecraft. (Granted Lovecraft believe humans to be entirely insignificant.)
I'll admit I don't have a full grasp of what Esotericism embodies, my interest was always closer to ghosts, monsters, mythology, unexplained events, alien visitors, etc. Those were the only books I wanted to read in my Elementary school library. Esotericism/Gnosticism seem to be more mature, structured versions of these interests.

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Russian orthody is only one form. Every country can, and shoudl, have its own form of it. It's perfectly possible to be e.g. a German Orthodox.

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This is true.

GTFO you nigger-tier subhuman. You're an insect compared to that man, and I'm not even an Evolian.

Good shit OP. Keep in Mind Jews and the various offshoots of it keep Christ as the deceiver and Lucifer as the light bearer, to the point they inverted the bible verses in the NIV translation calling Lucifer the morning star.

Jews just take the truth, and do an exact inversion of it.

Christ on the cross represents the birth into the 2nd spiritual life, dying to the world, represented by the wooden cross, the cube unfolded.

This one is interesting.

Really nice thread, OP. Do you think (((Adam Weishaupt))) was the one to corrupt Freemasonry?

It seems like he's saying those allegations are not true.

Are there any modern mystery schools that are uncorrupted by Judaism today? I really want to join one, but I don't want to be stuck with some Jewish commie NWO bullshit for the rest of my life either.

Globalism. Universalism. Call it whatever you want, it's not Nationalism.

Name one thing Freemasonry has done for Nationalism.

Not nationalism at all. Radical individualism.
There's nothing ethnically oriented or nationalistic about freemasonry. Its the same spiritual ritualistic occult worship repeated over and over throughout history.

The SS and the Ahnenerbe replaces the dubious need for a spiritual/occult research organization. If you want a brotherhood of (((man))) then that is what the SS was created for.

What about the World Union of National Socialists?

Does such a thing preclude the notion of war between nations in pursuit of their national interests?

Yes, the Jesuit Weishaupt was responsible for the Bavarian Lodge and its subsequent development of (((Humanism)))

also yes, Manly P hall is stating that their allegations were unfounded and that there was Massive jewish propaganda being peddled in the United States and Europe.

There are many orders out there untouched by Jews. In particular, American Rosicrucian branches (not AMORC though) are excellent, however difficult to join because many are by word of mouth alone.

There are many, even more secret orders that have passed tradition and obligation down through oral means and most of their secrets never published.

The jews founded it, dipshit.

Founding Fathers of the US basically all masons then ofc is got subverted by rat jews.

How about we take it back from them absorb all their knowledge at turn it natsoc?

Just floating an idea as they subvert us we can do the same to them as majority of masons are all old fucks now seems to me we could take it over and revitalize it in a way that is entirely WN as even the nigger masons has separate lodges.

inb4 but they are satanic death cult pedos who gas jew babies and throw em in the ovens.

Founding Fathers of the US basically all masons then ofc is got subverted by rat jews.

How about we take it back from them absorb all their knowledge at turn it natsoc?

Just floating an idea as they subvert us we can do the same to them as majority of masons are all old fucks now seems to me we could take it over and revitalize it in a way that is entirely WN as even the nigger masons has separate lodges.

inb4 but they are satanic death cult pedos who gas jew babies and throw em in the ovens.

They infiltrate so can we.

Of course i'm not pro-monarchy. The entire problem with Monarchism is that just because the King is a just, fair, and strong lord doesn't mean his sons or daughters will be cut from the same cloth, or get along with each other. Then there's the issue of intermarriage, the original race-mixing subversion scheme. Any jew banker can marry into the family if he schemes hard enough. Just look at Jared Kushner.

The issue is that the parliament system and masonic system is designed as a way to orient people into a position that suits the organization.

Freemasonry orients individual power, ethnic tradition, and nationalistic loyalty, within a hiearchy that satisfies the means and ends of masonry above anything else.

So if someone were to "corrupt Freemasonry" at some point, how would you even know? It's the old scientology scheme. You go through all the steps and then find out that theres nothing really there. Go directly to the source of the mystery itself.

Meanwhile in NatSoc land, people accept the fuhrer principle because the fuhrer takes responsibility for the people's will. In natsoc there are no mysteries, but explanations for things. Its not about programs or secrets, its about realities.

I wanted to join the Masons pretty bad, my man. I could easily, it would just be a matter of asking a friend for the application. I wanted to before I saw all the threads on Holla Forums alerting on their yiddish nature.
Most of your blue lodge (the small lodge in your town, where masons get their three degrees) masons are just boomers and men over 60 who use it as a get together club/way to get out of speeding tickets.
But Masonry centers greatly around King Solomon, and the Jews. It's practically inseparable. But Masonry is loaded down with allusions to Christianity, but another side effect of Holla Forums is constant doubt in my Christianity.
Elk's lodges are mostly Masons.

I should sleep.

Also, here's an infograph on Evola's writings.
The Nazis were right to ban Jazz, it is, at it's root, nigger music. I'm not going to pretend I don't still enjoy those sentimental numbers from then, though.

There's no denying everything is kiked up now. It's not a matter of whether the Freemasons were "good" or not, it's known they have been subverted and acting against the world's best interests.

The question is, then, do we subvert or destroy the Masonic order? Or do we do nothing and hope they right themselves?

Most likely it will be a combination of the three. As for mystery schools and occulted knowledge? Useless. All it does is provide a means to infiltrate and corrupt.

I do not know everything in the world, nor will I claim to, but knowledge is power; and the only way to free your fellow white man from the bondage and slavery he's endured for centuries is to share that knowledge openly and willingly.

Knowledge can be used against you, sure; but the work it takes to master such knowledge always leads you down the path of logic, the Trivium, etc. Until you ultimately discover morality to keep you from harming innocent people.

That is to say, stop hiding and be open. The only way to survive in this world is to be 100% honest with your organization because lies will be picked apart by weaponized autism and used against you.

With this knowledge we can also show that the Jew will never win, the Truth will out; those who occult it are murderers no better than the kikes themselves.

Sorry for the double post

and I am aware of how much it is pozzed with yid religion and also aware the clause of having to believe in a higher power isn't specific to the rodent god just that beLIEving in a higher power is a requirement.Why I said float the idea because Masons regardless of being pozzed by jews hold a degree of power that seems to be used for nepotism at this point in legal professions and politics.

I know its all pozzed with boaz and temple worship as all the US monuments and structures are built around it.

My question is can it be subverted to our cause say for instance WN start flooding them to completely overshadow the rat jews by taking up positions of power yet instead of subscribing to jew bullshit and their propensity for self destruction maybe change it back to something along the lines of the founding fathers and preservation of whites and exclusion of rodents to the point they have no power ? Just an Idea that seems doable.

You want to live in a fantasy world. Evola will help you with that. The only value of "esoterics" isn't what /fringe/ pushes on here, it's that they kept real world technology and information from being burned by the plebs or lost in the floods of a constantly changing world.

You sound like one, pleb. And he's not fit to lick my pen. He's a shit writer who can barely express his own ideas.

WTF?
Reported

Lucifer is the morning star of Venus. Is that what you mean? Luciferians were a Christian order in ancient times that the Church eventually banned for heresy. But who can trust the Pope?

>Really nice thread, OP. Do you think (((Adam Weishaupt))) was the one to corrupt Freemasonry?
According to Churchill he was.

Created it. See America, the first Nation since Rome became a permanent dictatorship.

Church masons founded it, dipshit. How hard is that for you to understand?

Well Hitler did say in Mein Kamph that a lot of NatSoc was to be based on the "early American Republic".

That's all true but you have to consider the perspective of the time and place when dealing with history. NatSoc was a demoralized population about to be annexed by Soviets. While the original Freemasons were clandestine because the Soviets (in this case Monarchy and Church) were already in charge for 1000yrs. Essentially they were working within a system while Hitler and the gang were crawling up out of the ruble that was Wiemar Germany.

False.
Jazz came from New Orleans marching band culture. Marching bands came from the soldiers of Europe's wars. Niggers have never invented a genre of music except rap.
Jazz is essentially drug soldiers with no structure jamming in bars or on the streets. Niggers of course were good at this too. Ask Frank Sinatra, he doesn't like nigger Jazz.

I think occult and Mystery Schools are two different things. That's the problem with these threads. Smiley starts shitposting Evola and esoterics and everything becomes confused.
Mystery schools in the case of the Freemasons were about:

Occult is about contacting the spirit realm.

Money = Power = Influence.
Get rich and join. Then start sharing the Albert Pike Aryan book posted in thread. I imagine that might help. But like Christianity, it's hard to re-instill the belief that whites are worth fighting for. I imagine if 500 Arnold Murray's started preaching across the country with this in the back of their minds it could radicalize the entire Bible Belt. If it was one guy, it wouldn't make much of a difference. There are too many people creating too many problems and too much information to go around these days.

Encouraged it at every turn? You actually take an obligation to be a nationalist.

What do you think those ends are?
By noticing that somehow hundreds of separate organisations have changed all their shit.

Yea? How?

Is it realistic for someone from Holla Forums to even join? Will they reject you because you're not diverse enough, like all modern companies? What are the main reasons that people get rejected? I can see it happening if someone's obviously trying to subvert the organization but what else comes into play? I read a few posts up that most people join their local lodge. Problem is I don't know anyone. I've seen a square and compass at a local coin shop, the owner looked about 90 years old though. Should I ask him?

Can you expand upon this? Also where did the Oddfellows and Druids come from?

Read some Toland, look at his background. The guy is writing books that have to be smuggled.

Druids are more Antiquarian, but it was clearly a variant "fringe" masonic lodge. A reading society more than anything else. Colorful seasonal public rituals. I don't believe that Toland started them, but his writings would have been popular. I don't see strong evidence of them before 1781. Too much is derivative of Masonic twilight.

Oddfellows, a benevolent society, not so much from the Guild/Company level that Freemasonry pretends to. Started as a chain of Public houses members could be guaranteed a good price and good food, lodging. Trail starts about 1745, but a few items could be even late 1600's.

You're kidding, right? If you're not white and Christian, you're going to struggle to get into a normal (not Prince Hall) lodge.
You might, but if you don't, you can still ask. Grand Lodges normally just appoint proposer/seconders, and you'll have to be vetted a bit more thoroughly is all.

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He wrote on a very erudite level with great depth of historical and metaphysical understanding, so of course a literal nigger like yourself is unable to comprehend his ideas. Really sad.

Humanist luciferianism AKA prometheism. No surprise you're a masonic faggot.

No, just very nervous about making first contact. I've been toying with the idea of joining for a couple years but have no clue what to really expect.

I think is is realistic as the masons are all getting very geriatric at this point yet were paramount to the formation of the US.Seems a possible thing for young natsoc whites to flood into and revamp it while knowing to completely shit on and erase anything jewish in it not of use.

All the countries kicked out jews why? same exact shit they do now completely obsolete psyops GOY know.Now becomes a task of getting rid of these rats and the dynasties they have built up around absolute shit.

A group of natsoc inclined masons with strong foundation could literally over take the jew in all key areas they has been able to infest like maggots.

Fair enough, bro. You're best off hitting up your Grand Lodge or Provincial Grand Lodge if you're near enough to your state/county/country capital. They'll explain everything there.

That's interesting.

Haha. Don't be sad, Smiley. I never fell for the pseudo-intellectual abstract expressionism as "too deep for you, man". Same reason I never got into punk music. Evola is a shit writer who can't express his ideas because he doesn't fully understand them.

I'm not a mason. And the Lucifer meme was first used as an expression of Christ, not a perversion. It's a historical fact, not your New Age bullshit.

Tribalism becomes Nationalism over time. There doesn't have to be secret ritualistic knowledge for nations to form.
You're revising history. Sure, if you want to claim that "Nationalism" as a dictionary entry was created by freemasons you could perhaps manage it, but it changes nothing about the essential tribal nature of human civilization which is antithetical to a "Brotherhood of man" in any "lodge" sense. Any organization with globally reaching intentions is created on unstable ground.

There is no religious/occult organization that hasn't changed their shit because human beings die and new human beings are born to take their place. Human beings do not transfer their knowledge through birth, they have to inscribe it into text.

Now what organization seeks to obfuscate and conceal historically important information that each individual ought to be made aware of by (((rite))) of birth?

To establish freemasonry all over the earth so that freemasons can go around and do whatever. In more flowerly language of course.

Again, totally useless to Nationalism beyond the root of the idea that Human beings should have some sort of spiritual structure to morality that doesn't rely on religion.

The reason Freemasonry persists in its existence is because it is an organization with rules and etiquette that self-perpetuates itself. The rituals and written materials orient the individual and the group into a certain mindset, thus Freemasonry replenishes itself.

i was tutored by the free masons when i was in 3rd grade, because i have dyslexia. They didn't seem to indoctrinate me in or anything i was there for like 2 years. Maybe i just couldn't tell because i was so young.

>Now what organization seeks to obfuscate and conceal historically important information that each individual ought to be made aware of by (((rite))) of birth?
Several, but not Masonry.
Nope. In over 300 years of existence, we don't even have international bodies, and in many places, not even national.

They wouldn't. They're kind of big on you joining of your own free will.

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Thanks btw. That helps a bit with the edge.

If you don't what the word Nationalism means don't fucking comment on this board until you lurk 2 more years.

You shouldn't tell others to lurk moar while complaining about monarchism.

Thats the name of the zorastrian good Deity whose name means the following

Ahura = mighty, lord
Mazda = Wisdom

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It amounts to returning to the disastrous, of a local company who are dragging down, from the endangered species list drove me home, the removal of gray wolves hundreds of millions of dollars, serious and substantive. International community serious and substantive, used tear gas and baton. Annual rigorous inspection petitioning the court, it took $24 million.

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Oh for fuck sakes. It's like you came from cuckchan circa 2008.

Gtfo, jew

Now compare that to "love of wisdom"

Don't join, once you do the jews use kaballah magic to make your nose grow.

The Freemasons are big on children charities because it allows them to pick and choose children for their pizza parties. You probably got MKUltra'ed and turned into some dick-sucking sex slave for a gross fat old jew.

If I were you I'd go to a hypnotists that knows what he's doing so you can recover possible lost memories surrounding your freemasonic "tutoring" orgies.

This post is what happens when someone with fetal alcohol syndrome listens to alex jones

this post is what happens when someone is employed by the JIDF

just BTFO of

I know a few master masons
When someone says they're a"master mason" it just means theyre lazy.

99% of them are just stupid sheep.
100% of the nigger masons are retarded as albert pike (grand daddy in masonry) was a kkk leader and nigger hater, which makes all niggers dumb as fuck, kinda like black moslems.

Maybe a world cabal with masonry, but to much misdirection out there, but i do recommend william coopers mystery of babylon series

I think you are the user that brought this up another time. I just finished it. Thanks. What should I read next?

Dungeon fire and sword.
All sources are listed……It isnt a mason book but covers the beginning of the knights templar and goes through the crusades and the catholic popes from 1100 to 1400 (might be a lil off).

10/10

pick one

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son". (John 2)

What does Islam says about Jesus? The same. And Islam has written anti christ all over it if you bother inspecting. Luckily many muslims abhor evil and submit to the proper god, but let us not derail.

ok Alex

Nicaea Council doesn't mean shit on Holla Forums.

I hate the sandniggers, but they're more anti-Christian than anti-Christ.

Islam has Jesus's story in the Koran and recognize Jesus as a prophet or son or whatever. Jews don't.

I don't care but it's the truth and the truth is all that matters.

And most facts for that matter

Masons swear allegiance to Allah at the 33rd level (when they become Shriners….the red fez should have given it away or the sword and moon in their Shriner logo).

They have to reject Jesus and the Bible at level one (they kiss the Bible goodbye at the end of their ritual).

Had a friend who's dad was a Shriner and he showed me his office where he kept his mason certificats framed….for 33rd level it states the Islamic prayer about mohammad and allah.

The jews set this up so they would be good goy muslims and reject God.

Was Mussolini a Nationalist?
The argument between Monarchists and National Socialists is one of classism and succession. The argument is not about loyalty to country, at least not between the German Officer class and the NSDAP.
The argument between Fascists and Monarchists is one of power and rites. If Mussolini had taken the place of the King, he might not have been executed.

A proper Ethnic Monarchy is Nationalistic, as the King and Queen are both meant to be the highest quality examples of the people. But again, i'm not a monarchist. I just admire Von Mackensen.

BEST IDOL

After all the niggers and spics are shipped to Mexico in WWII era style locomotives during the race war, the people who still believe in superstitious nonsense are next.

There's never been a time in history when the power to execute such actions has not been held by those who know of the truths which form superstitions. From the founding of civilization before the Younger Dryas and all the way through this era of Semitic hegemony, materialists have always been nothing more than slaves to the realities they reject.

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right on, leave the deep stuff to the borefags!

G.T.F.O.KIKE

Just saying Europeans have known Masonry is jew-controlled filth for years and years

Why would Germanics/Nordics need Abrahamic Masonry when we have something so much better, and that has been with us forever.

The truth about Freemasonry?

Simple, they are the bestest goyim to the subversive kikes. Weishaupt and other jews formed their own branch of Masonry called the Illuminati to push Sabbatean Frankist ideology. They were illuminated by their own bullshit and the Bnai Brith lodge and other jewish lodges corrupted what MAY have been a decent group before jewish money and meddlings. Although they were probably always shit, as they are faggots who praise Hiram Abiff their pedo jew master mason and want to rebuild Solomon's Temple, Solomon never existed. They also use the Star of Saturn extensively and are into pederasty and nation wrecking, they can all get fucked at this point.

Im sure you've never read any of his work.

If you listened to his show from beginning to end, you'd realize he was starting to see that many of these esoteric orders he threw under the bus were the good guys.

But that's simply wrong. I do understand his basic tenets. What exactly is it that you deny?

You think like on. Humanism, materialism, scienticism, denial of spirituality.

As an astronomical apellative, yes (Rev 22:16). The conflation of Satan with Lucifer though, as a supposedly prometheic force of human liberation with God being imagined as some demented tyran, is pure gnosticism though, and pushed by most Masons. I reject that vehemently and violently.

Those are anti-Masonic values.
The fuck is wrong with that, luddite?
Nope.

Kings rule through the Church. They have no power without the Church. That's why today's monarchy is little more than window dressing and pathetic nostalgia.

Nationalism isn't ruled by the Church. It's ruled by blood and soil. Even American Nationalism (before it was jewed).

It is when there is but ONE nation.

The masons where established by the crypto-zionist Jesuit order in order to penetrate the anglo-american cultural sphere. Masonism is essentially a Kabbalistic mystery school.

It's not "esoteric". This is a meme started by Smiley. They're Mystery Schools – as in school. Esoteric implies a lot of fucked up shit.

It needs to be separated from these discussions.

Jews in space meme. They couldn't see the hexagon on Saturn back then moron.

Cooper was human trash and his sickness started all this Infowar misdirection. I'm glad he was shot. Fuck him. He wouldn of told everyone 9-11 was done by the space wizards just like before when we know it was Mossad.

Scientic-ism, really? Haha. I bet you can't wrap your head a evolutionary theory and think that race is a meme.
Another anti-reality meme from Gnostics. There is nothing wrong with material reality or life. Stop living in your fantasy world and calling it "spiritual".

See I don't know what they occurred though. I think it started in the post Alestor Crowly era. Maybe the 1960s and LSD as one user said.

But Freemasonry was around before "America". Read the thread before you shitpost.

All mystery schools stem from the hybridized Judaism of Khazar aristocracy dipshit. It originates in Babylonian paganism then moves through Khazar Talmudism into Gnosticism and so on. You clearly know fuck all about the genealogy.

Cant deny that one anymore can you schlomo ;)

Eh yea, and it was established by the Jesuits to gain a foothold in the protestant nations. I suggest reading Walter Veith. This is no way contradicts the Zionist thesis btw, rather the Jesuits (a zio-gnostic order) where the primary agents of Zionism before the ascent of Masonry.

You cant deny that the masons are a Zionist institution without looking like a retard these days. Your gig is up mate, face it and go home

Stop calling people dipshit you fucking red-neck nigger. You didn't read the thread, and your point is invalidated by this.
Pythagorus wasn't a Jew. His influence was Zoroastrian.

READ THE OP BEFORE YOU SHITPOST YOUR YOUTUBE GARBAGE HERE!

Masonic lodges accept people of every religion. This automatically leads to either ) metaphysical relativism and thereby materialist humanism or ) they have their own metaphysical doctrines. Both clearly heretical to Christians and Muslims (not to Jews, though, who by the principle of Gol Nidre aren't bound by Masonic oaths in the first place).

Science is a very powerful tool, but making an epistemological dogma out of it invariably leads to humanism and materialism and the grave consequences we can witness today.

All Masons I've known on- or offline pushed some variant of either gnosticism or humanism. I won't generalize to you, though; what's your own metaphysical stance, then? Also, reply to the issue about Evola. What exactly do you critizice in him?

Wrong. That's a very recent development, in Europe not much older than the 12th century. For Charlemagne, the Pope was an intermediary link to the Roman empire, but his kingly dignity and power itself was sui generis.

No, that's a quite recent development. The nation, since about the 16th century onwards, was primarily linguistically defined. Blood and soil, as a doctrine for the whole people and not only for the ariostocratic elite, is not much older than the end of the 19th century.

Bring a fucking argument, you illiterate nigger.

Which' race theory? Darwinian, Spenglerian, Evolian, National-Socialist, Mussolinic-Fascist…?

Philosophical kindergarten. Proof that "the material" (and by extension, the natural) is "the real" in the first place.

Kek. I'm hardcore anti-gnostic.

No, the thought that the serpent doesn't represent evil, but liberation, is very old and and a central point of gnosticism.

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Reading the Zoroastrian text and realizing that the Bible has nothing to do with Babylon, Egypt, and is all ripped off from Persia

sacred-texts.com/zor/sbe04/sbe0401.htm

Everything that the Jews call the Torah and Christians call the Old Testament is directly taken from these Persian writings. Which makes a lot of sense since Jews appear after the conquest of Babylon by Darius.

This was kept from Western peoples on purpose.

I didn't hear about Zarathustra my entire life, even during college.

MIND BLOWN.

nice try you fire worshipping faggot

found the brainlet, it simply means HIDDEN by the common eye, NOT CONCEALED.

No it's everything from the Old Testement.

All these years these so called scholars fumbling about as to where the Torah came from. It's right here. The whole fucking thing outside of the Moses story and the invasions of the Hebrews.
The rest is the prophets talking about Persia and Babylon.

Seven Principals > Occult and Esoteric (spirit divination)

GTFO smiley!

You dumb anti-esoteric niggers will never get it, and it is why truth is kept hidden only by your own ignorance.

DOGMA= Literalism and worship of said symbols. NO esoteric order that walks the right hand path worships any symbol. However, Kikes, Catholics and edgy Black magic fags will always think they are God's chosen and only them, and that they have the true understanding of any given symbol and that is the end of the grand secret.

A symbol is a mere key to understanding the mysteries of antiquity, veiled so only the those with divine intellect can decipher. Those who obtain this understanding know that God is still immeasurable, and the wisdom we can obtain by following his laws are infinite.

its not stolen, it is just another retelling of the same story that repeats itself throughout history in the continuing unfoldment of man. Joesph Campbell lays it out pretty well in his Hero analysis'.

I can tell you haven't done much reading into the esoteric. Maybe you are confusing Black magic thelema fags with actual esotericists. Or maybe you are just another youtube conspiracy babby who has never opened an esoteric book in his life.

I started out just like you, a skeptic and I thought i had it all figured out until I did the research myself and completely proved myself wrong.

It's a perversion! Stop being a deconstructionist! There is only one magic!!! You were lied to.

NOW SMILEY FUCK OFF GOD DAMN IT! I know it's you fucking tranny! Lurk and stop controlling the thread!

there's very little similarity between the rules in the Avesta books and the broader Halakha rules and in particular Kashrut dietary laws. The general OT (Genesis) stories have a lot in common with those of the region ME, and Babylonian in particular. I'll give you that the story of Moses is likely Persian in origin, and based in the Babylonian exile and post-exile periods. But there isn't any clear scholarly links between Zoroastrianism and the original of Hebrew monotheism; if you're claiming there is you're making a pretty big leap and I'm certain you're just going to go back to "scholars fumbling" or deliberately lying

No Babylon at all. Read it. It's almost structured the same, except for the Hebrew invasion of Canaanite lands which is what would of been told during a migration from Persia. You're just parroting opinion here.

The Torah and Jews came out of Persia. They were never a people before that. There is no evidence of anything before that. It's obvious it all comes from this one source and makes perfect sense since they admit that Judah and the Leviticial priesthood came of Persia as freed slaves.

We've all been lied to. It's not wonder Jews push "magic" shit. It's all from Persia, just like philosophy of early Minoan Greeks started from traveling to Persia.

Out of Zoroastrian teachings and Persia's conquest: Semites made the Bible. Greeks made Philosophy. And Med-evil writers created the modern form of "magic" without knowing the deepest connections of philosophy being birthed from the Magi of Persia. Even Christianity has its roots with the Birth story

Zoroastrian use light and darkness as the main symbolism. Light is what wizards throw in modern myth and use darkness or "black mage" as symbolism. Mages are the priesthood of Zoroastrians.

Philo (love) sophy (wisdom) – Ahura (Lord) Mazda (wisdom).

It's right there…

also:

sacred-texts.com/zor/sbe04/sbe0402.htm

You can, when you use the mountains of evidence. Retard.

In some places. But it's no different to schools admitting people of any faith. Because faith isn't discussed.
Muh Slippery Slope. And an illogical one at that. Have you considered that it could be neither of those?
Yea, it does sicken me that they can join.
Again, slippery slope. Without holding it as a core value, why bother living? Without advancement, we're not actually doing anything.
And i'm sure those are an accurate representation of the millions of members.
I don't. I haven't read enough of his work. Ask the other guy.

I find it disgusting that you would drag the late great Arnold Murray into this filth. If you knew anything about Pastor Murray it would be that the Bible should be taught chapter by chapter and verse by verse, not through mystery cults.

Matthew 24:26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers;
believe it not.

See: even the Druids were doing Mage-ism, or Zoroastrianism, as in "magic".

I found the missing link. Yea me.

Doesn't matter… He was schooled in them and it matches the Freemason handbooks. Read the thread. You're just preaching an off shoot of Jewish Zoroastrianism anyway = Christianity

you completely avoided my point that there is few similarities between Zoroastrian rules and those clearly found in the OT; which is basically the pillar of what Hebrew belief and Judaism is. Second your whole thesis revolves around us being "lied" to despite no actual proof to the claim. Modern Jewish theologian have no reason to deny a Zoroastrian origin of Hebraic monotheism; they would love a distant connection between Judaism and Indo-Aryan beliefs, namely Hinduism. You're also conflating the origins of Judaism with the admixture of Hellenic culture and philosophy that occurred in the post-Alexandrian era chiefly in the city of Alexandria to trick people. The Song of Songs is basically a copypasta of basic Greek philosophical tenants and is very different from the stories of Genesis and the collection of writings covering the Prophets

you're even claiming that Minoan Greeks learned philosophy from traveling to Persia. First off

you're being intellectually dishonest and I can tell you'd say anything to further your desire to name Persia as the the origin of scripture Hebrew and Greek religious thoughtw

tell me, why do you think by and large Gnosticism never achieved Orthodoxy?

I'm telling you to read it. I'm not asking your fucking opinion here. This isn't a normal Holla Forums debate where we go rounds into ad nauseum. I've ran into something powerful. The source of all "magic", philosophy, and the "esoteric/occult" that came later; which makes sense because it never had a proper date and is set in the time of the Veddas or possibly older. You can ignore it and play word games and try to look smart because you Minoan isn't greek when everyone considered it the birth culture of greek thought or bitch about shit you think you know. OR you can use what I've taught you today and be grateful I came into your life.

Because holy shit this is yuge!

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so you're full of shit and just spouting uneducated opinions? If you have ever had a basic course in classical history or read a book you'd know that there is almost no cultural overlap between Minoan/Mycenaean culture and Dark Age Greek culture, outside of Mycenaean being a Hellenic language. Not to mention Classical Greece. Next to none, burial methods, civic structure, architecture, location of population centers, etc. So if you're trying to say that philosophy passed from Minoan culture down to classical Athens than you're lying

I'm not playing word games, I'm making clear points that you just ignore and ramble like a snake oil salesman

AS A MATTER OF FACT!
Magic being something taught as ridiculous or unseen when in its origins is Mage/Magi the priests of the Lord of Wisdom – who worshiped life and truth – is a total fucking inversion of the meaning of the word magic.

It's like (((someone))) was trying to keep it from us.

MAGIC then = application of wisdom (not some hidden nonsensical cause).

Why do (((they))) fear Zarathustra?

It's perverse. Anti-Materialism is perverse and that comes from Jewish Egyptian "gnostic" teachings. Ahura Mazda was the creator of the material world and it was a positive thing, said often in the writings.

Tell me why the first people to celebrate the birth of Christ in the manager were Zoroastrian Priests and not some other group?

In fact you may be more onto something than you know. I magic and mage are really just words reffering to the first philosophy or worshipers of wisdom, the Priests of Zarathustra, then the (((occult))) and (((esoteric))) are in fact ways to pervert wisdom (magic) by hiding it right in front of our eyes with shit like Harry Potter and witchcraft and horror tales and stuff.

Magic is more closely pronounced philosophy, and with it science. Both of which (((They))) constantly try to hold for themselves and corrupt.

In fact you may be onto something, more than you realize. If magic and mage are really just words referring to the first proto-philosophy or worshipers of wisdom who are the Priests of Zarathustra… WELL THEN the (((occult))) and (((esoteric))) are in fact ways to pervert wisdom (magic) by hiding it right in front of our eyes with shit like Harry Potter and witchcraft and horror tales and stuff.

Magic is more closely pronounced philosophy, and with it science. Both of which (((They))) constantly try to hold for themselves and corrupt.

That's been known for ages. An inter-continental Europoid civilization existed before the Younger Dryas, and survivors of its destruction began colonies in various places such as Mesopotamia, China, South America, and most importantly Egypt (which might in fact be a much older colony depending on the dating of the Sphinx). Egypt was the spiritual center from which the Greeks would later draw knowledge. The Canaanites drew on this same tradition through the Europoid colonization of the area, and later produced a degenerated form of tribalist monotheism in response to the power vacuum created by the decline of Europoid colonies in the region. At later points, the tribes of Israel would directly take from the remnant tradition in Egypt after its decline as well as every other tradition with which they had contact. Pretty much everything we can dig up today was either begun by Europoids themselves or traces back to Egypt.

Zoroastrianism itself is a regression from the Aryan religion which preceded it, a result of the transfer of power from pure Europoid castes to natives of the region. The monotheistic "innovation" is the proof of this regression from Europoid ideals.

A. it hasn't been known for ages. Stop larping

B. Persians were white.

C. Philosophy is the child of Zoroastrianism, and magic is just the name of Zoroastrian priests. The Occult/Esoteric/Gnostic is a (((perversion))) of this. This being the search for Ahura Mazda = the search for wisdom. In Greek you would call this the search for Logos.

I wish I could talk to one user on here that doesn't parrot opinions (unpopular or not) like a bunch of fucking robots.

that fucker is larping just as much as you are but I don't think you know what that word means. You avoided every statement that I made, statements I can backup with plenty of sources, and deemed them "opinions" so that you could avoid being called out on the bullshit you made up; probably on the spot too

You mean you wish there weren't people around that would call you out for your nonsense. Maybe if you try adding more special formatting to your posts, you'll finally win over some idiots.

I'm wasting my Sunday arguing history with some Orthodoxy slave who is too stupid to realize the Hebrews never existed so he has to shitpost about minor words to feel secure again in his beliefs and lack of education… and a Jewish homosexual that runs /fringe/ and tries to start fights with his "esoteric occultism" in every fucking thread on Holla Forums

I'm just going to let this thread die.

I seriously doubt a shitposter like you has the capacity to let a thread die.

oh and you're the faggot that keeps posting that image. Those two people have completely different faceshapes and your inability to detect that in addition to your writing/argumentative style leads me to believe that you are genuinely autistic

You'll never be on my level Smiley. You'll never become a meme wizard. Your Jewish blood won't let it happen. No matter how many times you jump IPs and how much you flame war, you will never achieve anything of remembrance of effect besides being a trap who people laugh at.

you're exhibiting a deeply egocentric worldview and probably have some form of autism or possibly schizophrenia. but I think for all purposes; OP BTFO
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Smiley, get help. I know you're a kike and a fag and take credit for shit that you didn't create like Aryan history threads (because you were posting Ancient Alien shit from the history channel and still do on /fringe/) but that doesn't mean you can't get some help. I stole all your loosh today, or whatever gay shit you say

How long before you start announcing that you are filtering before replying anyway?

DO I NEED TO CALL YOUR PARENTS, SMILEY? DO I NEED TO CALL THE COPS? ARE YOU GOING TO KILL YOURSELF?

disinfo

According to whose doctrine?
The King is the leader of the tribes and the nation. It is a de facto position proclaimed by the King. There are many different words for "King" but the responsibility of the position is largely the same across the globe.

What right does the church have to proclaim authority over the King? Are you implying that a king is always crowned by the chief priest?

To adress your pic, If King Edward hadn't abdicated how do you suppose that would have changed the world?

There is always a senior ruling figure in a tribe that could be proclaimed "King" in whatever language they speak. Leadership is necessary to maintain a group's survival.

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I can't even…

No one said they were on our side. Christians aren't on our side either.

The King of England being pro NatSoc Germany would of changed the world. He was forced to abdicate and it was all of charade

Lurker here. Just chiming in to let you know I was giving you the benefit of the doubt until your last 6 or so posts. Your childish assertation of all who disagree with you as "smiley" is proof enough of your lack of intellectualism. Esoterica is indeed a newer school, and I would like to see from where it came. Your egocentric ramblings about Persia make it seem as if you have some stake in thier claim, or else are simply lazy/stupid. Not even going to waste my time reading your link now, thats what happens when you make a mockery of yourself, and by extension the ideas you yourself hold in high esteem. Jackass.

Well, to be fair to that other poster, a king is a bit more than a simple leader. To be a king, a leader or strongman needs some transcendental legitimation, something that rests on more than simply force of arms.

Here I agree. That kingly authority HAS to to be bestowed from some priestly offcie is, of course, crypto-catholicism. In the so-called Golden Age the functions of priest and kings were not separated yet. The Roman emperors were also not merely earthly rulers, but had in themselves a spiritual function and authority.

Who is the "we"? Don't say something like "our folk", because there isn't some mysterious, free-standing race or ethnicity bereft of religion. Religion isn't some irrelevant add-on, it's what originally constitutes a folk as such in the first place.

Right, like how there's no difference between ancient Greek and Romans, after all same gods. Nordics and Germanics, the same people too, oh, and don't forget about Judeo-Christian values, goy-I mean guy.

I'm going to call the cops, Smiley – that's it. You keep threatening suicide and bombings

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I honestly don't understand your post. Are you critizicing the ancient tendency of looking for similiarities among different gods and to syncretism, what's sometimes called the interpretatio graeca?

Masonry must be disbanded and its members investigated for their economic situation and connections to the mafia among other things.

I want to know more about this. Also where the Clinton mob got its start. I guess Saul Alinksy was Hillary's mentor but Bill Clinton had his own juice and that's why she married him.

Thats a dangerous road, you should just investigate and keep quiet about it if you want to learn, theres no support from the justice system towards that path, the same people that you want to learn about are in control of the system. Only way to actually see the to justice is a phase of anarchy, followed by TRULLY nationalist, not kosher-fascist-patriotic governments.

All roads are dangerous. If not death then slavery or zombie-states. This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.

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How do we know Pike is telling the truth? What and where are his sources? Remember the kikes always lie and Christians call him the Father of Lies.

Why do you need an authority figure to follow?

Makes sense to me.

The one doing the implying is you bitch nigger. Holla Forums would fit the definition of esoteric you daft twat.

esoteric in American English
(ˌɛsəˈtɛrɪk ; esˌəterˈik)
adjective

a.
intended for or understood by only a chosen few, as an inner group of disciples or initiates
said of ideas, literature, etc.
b.
beyond the understanding or knowledge of most people; abstruse
2.
confidential; private; withheld

No one said anything about space jews you psuedo intellectual cock holster. The hexagram also called the Star of Saturn/Chiun/Remphan has been used by Saturnic cults and other miscreants for thousands of years you fucking dullard. Probably just a cohencidence the fucking planet saturn has a hexagram on it as well, right?.The ancients were well studied in astronomy, astrology and celestial cycles. This does not imply a"space jew meme" as you so simple mindedly put it, just that ancient knowledge has been lost and covered up.

Goddamn you half assed sophists and know it all useful idiots are just like your dumbass yid masters. Lie and obfuscate truth and swill down that jew semen you pathetic cuck.

He is right though you are a dipshit, as well as a soggy bottom faggot. Red neck has become an anti white term to slander Aryan folk used prominently by niggers and jews, go fuck yourself. Maybe you are some kind of mongrel brown mystery meat or jew with your anti white vernacular, lies, and constant attention whoring,

KEEP RUNNING DAMAGE CONTROL FAGGOT

GTFO SMILEY!!!!!!! STOP SWITCHING AND POSTING!

Zoroastrianism was pretty strict on race mixing too. Too bad that got lost in translation, {{{somehow}}}.

We already had that, though. Trouble was that there's more to it than that, so we got what we did.

It's a book of his own opinions. Why would he lie?
Ancient texts which he does reference (just don't have it on me to rattle them off).

It's Hermeticism.

13 emerald tablets lead up to the 14th, where the rule of thirds (triangle) is revealed. Then the 15th describes the portal, the eye of Osiris (eye of providence).

These fags are just astral projection LARPers that believe there's a bird-headed man's space ship buried under the Sphinx, mixed in with some crypto-kikery. It doesn't mean shit, it's just a gay pay-to-play cult scheme where you have to pay to learn "secrets."

I'm having a hard time getting hard evidence on the dates though. Some people say based on the writings it matches the Vedas era. Others say 500BC (which would be when philosophy in Greece/Minoan began) but only because that's when Persian Emperor Darius mentioned it.

And this is where everything falls apart. There's nothing to this narrative other than dozens of conflicting legends and interpretations of legends. The Christcuck source uses a Greek word which had been watered down to apply to any astrologer. Every detail beyond that is based on which sect you ask.

I need hard evidence for this. If anyone has it. Because that would be a game changer for Aryan history.

Yalda = Yule = Norse

Hittite were said to have invaded Germany and brought their culture with them (Odin).

Magi are specifically priests. Where did you get "any type of astrologer"? From a Strong's Concordance?

Christcuck thinking right there.
Kings may not be the apex of the power structure, but their power is always by force.
Take away a king (or government's) ability to project force, and see how long it lasts.

That's a sin, user.

I didn't switch anything you dumb bastard, If you do not post in 24 hours your id changes. You stupid goddamn shills should know this by now. So once again go fuck yourself you assmad cuckold, and keep up with your astroturfing for your kike bosses.

KEEP RUNNING DAMAGE CONTROL FAGGOT

And reported.

Your ID changed as well from a4df39 to aad694 you silly whoreson, you are either extremely autistic or a paid shill. You are not as clever as you think yourself to be either waygo fuck yourself

You forgot to call me Holla Forums, Christcuck; or is that out the window because the autist already labelled me with his boogeyman?

I'm planning something big for you and your parents Smiley.

Dubs of truth shall be checked!
Sadly christians or any abrahamists were never big on truth, history, or knowledge, just muh scripture. All 3 current major religions, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity stem from inbred, insane, foreskin gobblers so I guess its not surprising.

Oh how spoopygo fuck yourself

Also you dipshit if you are going to call someone a smiley explain what the fuck that is.

so can anyone explain to me what the FUCK freemasons, secret societies, mystery societies and whatever the fuck else falls into this grouping do?
All I know is that they have books and are some kind of cult with a level up system.

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Egypt was Greece's mother culture, though, not Persia.

This is true.

I don't have an opinion on Pike, but this is clearly a non-sequitur.

Any source?

Tha'ts exactly what I said, my dyslectic friend. Kings need to be powerful, of course, but to be a King and not just some strongman, they need some form of transcendental legitimation. Golden age priest-kings (up until the Incas or perhaps even the Japanese emperors) combined those two in one person, while in lesser times this otherworldy confirmation came from the priesthood.

Space Jews

Too lazy. Info is out there.

Greece is an IE culture. Egypt is too old and has been invaded too many times to judge properly as any one mono-culture. We just know they were often ruled by whites.

Is that some new meme?

No, you nigger. A Hittite-Germanic connection would be a quite groundbreaking. Or a you referring to the supposed nexus via the so-called "sea peoples"?

Yes, or at least the Doric/Aryan conquerer caste. The Pelasgians probably were what Dravidians still are in India, a remnant of an older phase of humanity.

Perhaps, but that applies as well for Persia, the "crosssroad of the world".

Agree.

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In the ancient world, religion (in the sense of cultic practice) NEVER was a personal choice. In fact, Christianity was quite liberating and anti-traditional in the sense that it replaced orthopraxis by orthodoxy.

The ring represents the halo, the visible' emanation of light surrounding the heads of the enlightened. Buddha, for example, was described as literally glowing faintly in the dark, and it obviously returns in the Christian depiction of saints, and of course Christ himself.

Not an Aryan thought. In PIE mythology, the enemy is chaos itself, often depicted as some kind of snake monster. The underworld as such never had great prominence in ancient thought.

Deal with it.

You mentioned it, you provide a source, and no, the connection perfectly fits the thread topic.

Correlation isn't causation. The anti-dragon myth is a general IE myth fragment.

Never said that.

True, but it also very early started to be criss-crossed by peoples from all places. At the latest under the Achaemenids, Persia was already a heavily multi-ethnic region.

Since when are Sumerians considered Aryans? And Persia is usually considered a sui generis Aryan formation, not directly related to the Indians. You positing Out-of-India Aryanism?

I've heard differently from Jorjani. Although he is clearly biased.

tldr: the light of civilization passed from Persia to Greece

The video is interesting and worth a watch.

Thanks, will watch it tomorrow. Good night, lads.

Propaganda.
The priesthood is no more nationalistic than the masons.
The King is the rightful ruler of his people. The church does not respect the laws of man.

Rather strange to see so many on Holla Forums promoting judeo-freemasonry and pretending that freemasons are on ourside…

Alex Jones seems to have joined in on this game with his take on it

Pike seems to have been legitimate, as in Rules and Dogma he mentions how the spirit or entity the mason venerate is named Lucifuge/Lucifer. If i recall Lucifuge is also one of the 72 goetic demons. Pike also predicted or should i say had foreknowledge of how the first two world wars would play out and that the 3rd would pit the zionists against the muslims. I would be honored to take a shit on his statue but I am not in the same country, fucking MasonNiggers are the best goyim and worst traitors.

Kind of off topic buy here are some famous masons bragging about what type of entities they deal with. Also if anyone has this "Lucifers" real name and origin I would be interested as etymology and history are keys to find truth. Pike refers to Lucifer as a higher being of love, then as a spirit of darkness. Of course there is JahBuLon with a frogs head as well however it fits in. Anyone who can make any sense of this care to chime in?

Occultist and author Manly Palmer Hall

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy (emphasis added)."

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifuge, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifuge promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfill my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed…{Invocant signs pact with his own blood}.
(((Eliphas Levi)))

What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete [an advocate]; it is the Holy Spirit, where the physical Lucifer is the great angel of universal magnetism.iii
Albert Pike, 33-degree Freemason and author of Morals and Dogma

Lucifer, the Light-Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!

The devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythological and horned form of the God Pan; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.

The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is Yahweh (GOD) reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but a negation of God…the Kabala imagined Him to be a "most occult light."

That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.
Arthur Edward Waite, 33-degree Freemason

First Conjuration Addressed to Emperor Lucifer. Emperor Lucifer, Master and Prince of Rebellious Spirits, I adjure thee to leave thine abode, in whatsoever quarter of the world it may be situated and come hither to communicate with me…I command and adjure thee, Emperor Lucifer, as the representative of the mighty living God, and by the power of Emanuel, His only Son…

http:// amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception-Freemason_Lucifer_Albert_Pike

Checked, Alex is a jew, he admits it.
Like the yid Lenin said "The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves."

you left out the last part dipshit, leaving out words to suit your narrative like a kike.

Did it ever occur to you they may have had a advanced telescope or other means of studying celestial bodies in ancient times numbnuts? Ancients new much about the heavens and their cycles, hmm I wonder why? Muh Space jews, space jews, space jews, then you post a picture of shitty jew movie about shitty jews in space. Ah I almost forgotgo fuck yourself

*knew much

And that particular mini-lodge is probably doing great deeds no one will ever notice.

Open your eyes. The West is run by the wicked. They've taken over.

Egyptians didn't know how to take advantage of the Knowledge they had, same goes with Tibetans. Greeks on the other hand could understand some of it or even most of it. It's curious that Egyptians would consider many Greeks going to study there as noble and of higher class than themselves, likee they were superior people.

You mean when they murdered everyone and chased out philosophy from all of the Hellenist-Roman world?
Or liberating because gay guys could join the church and not get married?

You didn't see the other ring in that post or the other rings in this thread? You're so stuffed full of Russian Orthodox propaganda you can't even use your eyes?

You asked me about the Hittites moving to Germany you moron. That was the causation.

Off topic again – not the era we're speaking of.

Lurk more, speak less. You spend to much time reading your Jewish myths.

We're talking about he ORIGINS retard. Don't post that traitor here.

Fake quote. I looked it up. It's been disproven on Holla Forums many times.

These are "esoterics" that were kicked out of Freemasonry.
They started up in the late 1800s and begin to change Freemasonry during the 1930s. Pike wasn't a Crowley writer but I can't remember what he said about Lucifer. You obviously didn't read any of it and are Smiley posting.

And then Smiley posts again.

And then Smiley posts again

user, both Jazz and Swing music are entartete kunst. You know it, I know it. It sounds white purely in contrast the the niggered up jams of today.
New Orleans is hot, humid, and swampy. It's not the white man's environment, spend long enough in it, and you'll act like a nigger too.
t. fellow Southerner
Have some h'white music

Aaaggg that guy's voice gives me an aneurysm. Swing isn't that bad.

It was the same Mason(zionist) lodge that 'hired' Marx to write the commie manifesto, that forty years later consulted
Asher Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg aka. Ahad Ha'am
to write the "modern" protocols of zion; the one that got known to the masses 1903/21.

The same faggot who was later one of the driving forces behind The Balfour Declaration. Also master pedophile of the zionist congress.

There might be some "theatre" scripts from Vilna/Vilnius you guys might want to look into.

And some "unknown" russian essays:
- Varshavskyy "Talmudycheskaya morality"; - Dubelir, "the 18-century-old prejudices"; - Levin, "The authenticity of the Book of Kagan"; - publication of the Company's "Talmudic World"; - Chwolson, "Some medieval accusations against the Jews"; - Chwolson, "Characteristics of the Semitic peoples"; - Shafir, "Essay on the Mosaic-Talmudic law", etc. Hebrew and Hebrew-Russian [jargon - Approx. LVN ] languages: - Abramovich, "Natural History"; - Bard, "On the Jewish decline"; - Warsaw, "Guide to the Jewish reading"; - Gurvich, "Machzor" (prayer book); - Kogan, "Even Gato (Stone delusions) - The history of the pseudo-Messiah"; - Lyevyenson, "Zorubabyeli"; - Naftoli, "Sipurej Naftoli" (Rasskazы Naftoli); - Margolis, "" non-Mişpete (Fair pair); - Roumeen, "Kipot-Cipher-Kadesh" (The Sacred Books); - Roumeen, "Gemulat-solving" (Retribution criminals); - Slonim, "From Zikkaron" - (Life and work of Humboldt); - Shapiro, "Al-Ibri" (Jew Pen)

Juden must perish.

He wrote it 1888, one year later he founded the secret zionist society/club Bnai Moshe (Sons of Moses)

The only GENOCIDE in wwII was the bombing of Dresden

READ Albert Pike's literature, he is a patriot beyond measure.

LISTEN to Manly P Halls lectures, he was a man too kind for this cruel world.

youtube.com/user/PromienieNet/playlists?view=50&sort=dd&shelf_id=3

If you cannot form or own opinion and merely borrow those of another man, you are a willing slave to him and whatever perception he may construe your way. FUCKING idiots here have no conception about epistemology, its why TRUTH is hidden from you because you take the easiest route to come to a conclusion.

Also read "Kagan"; www.tay na-net.org/files/kniga_kagala.pdf (Яков Брафман. "Книга Кагала")
Translate pdf.

You'll find EVERYTHING in essays and poetry books, 1860-1930 is interesting when you start searching. Have fun, you are in for a hell of a ride.

Freemasonry is strange. It definitely holds massive power historically same with the Illuminati but whether they do today? All I know is I know freemasons and they seem normal enough old guys. Makes sense too since you can always join your local lodge.

Free Mason is 100% Jewish. Don't believe anything else.
They run the world and steal your money, slave.
They also doom worlds, always blaming someone else.
They need to be removed. Forever.

Perhaps, but then it would be very old one. All ancient empires are based on the concept of spiritual kingship.

They are NOT the same. Interesting post, otherwise.

Well, you probably know already that AJ is the alter ego of Bill Hicks. So the question is, how do youi know that he was/is a Jew?

How do you know that?

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Who is "they"? There didn't magically fall from the sky, you know. They were Greeks, Romans, Syriac, Galatians, Germanics, Celts etc. etc. who converted, in the overwhelming majority of cases by their own will.

If you knew a bit about ancient philosophy, you'd knew that by that time Rome and Hellas had become quite degenerate and devoid of higher wisdom.

spit it out, then, if you're so sure of yourself.

RO has nothing to do with it.

Regarding a possible influence on Greek thinking?

Given your quite basic errors it's you who should be much more humble.

Source?
wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-world-wars-letter-hoax-wideshut-webcast/
No, you're thinking of Baal Hammon.
Wasn't a Mason until later in life.
Read that quote again. Slowly.
Fake quote originating in a French anti-Masonry magazine with whom Pike had no correspondence.

Man, you managed to hit all the tinfoil buzzwords. Good job.

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Not the other user, but I don't think they're identical. Baal-Hammon was the principal deity of the Carthagians, in North Africa, transfered from their Phoenician forebearers in the Levant, while Jabulon (sp?) is often assumed to be related to the Babylonian pantheon.

I don't have an opinion regarding Pike or Hall, but the basic idea of equating the snake in the Garden of Eden not with evil (Satan, more or less, althougn even that is debatable), but with an enlightening, pro-human principle, IS a quite old Gnostic idea, though. If we want to call that "Lucifer" is another question, of course.

Yea, which is wrong. Jahbulon isn't a thing, or a character. It's an honourific. The name comes after it.
I meant that the quote basically says, "why ya'll calling a spirit of darkness the bringer of light? That's just wack, yo."

In which language? There certainly are different etymologies regarding "Jabulon", althoug I don't nearly know enough about it.. Some call it a tri-partite name formed by the combined abreviations of three other, older deities.

I would agree with that interpretation of the sentence. But if it's a case of mis-identification, why did this happen in the first place? What's the connection between those two… hm "deities" isn't perhaps the right word, coming from a monotheist perspective… let's say "principles"?

Someone give me a TL;DR rundown plz

If you watch Graham Hancock's documentaries, he shows how the ancient civilizations all worshiped or told of stories about how bearded Aryan men came to them on a winged serpents and brought them civilization.

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They didn't allow Jews to join until later, though.

Four. It's a combo word invented for the Holy Royal Arch degree, preceding the Christian name of God.
Not necessarily deities, but words in old cultures for "lord" or "most honoured" etc.
But, like the secrets of the 3rd degree it's just something made up in the 18thC.
It's due to the mistranslations in the KJV, which puzzled Pike. And the chapter in which he says that is about a degree with elements from Revelations. So it was pertinent stuff when taken in context.

Nice hypothesis, but what's your evidence?

Interesting. Why was this thought necessary?

Tentatively agree. According to the more or less recently deciphered Copiale text, the Scottish Rite as such didn't exist before that century.

You mean in the sense that what's commonly called "Satan" was additionally called/misidentified with "Lucifer" in the KJV?

You mean in the sense that there is a grade within the Scottish rite using Revelation imagery (quite common) were those two concepts/principles run into the danger of being conflated?

You've more or less got it

Are you kidding? It's a laughable hypothesis until providing serious evidence. Really easy to pick apart. Equating Aryans with serpentine imagery runs into the obvious problem that in reconstructed PIE mythology, Aryans are/were THE serpent-slayers. That's just one example. Not to speak of his hilariously ignorant comments on Christianity.

Well the degree covers a bit of lexiology. It makes sense when you read the lot. I'd link you a copy, but can only find the American/Irish style one on stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/ritualen_en.html
Just doesn't cover it as well as the English one (before they changed it).
Tl;dr is that it's about the lost secrets of a Master Mason, and it hints at those secrets being the Holy Name of God (not Jahbulon, mind). It winds up being a word you're most likely very familiar with, but it's the process of building the word which is important. And personally, i don't think it was ever meant to be the actual Lost Secrets.
Of course. It was the Rite of Perfection from France which turned into it.
Exactly. Pike could also read Latin and Koine Greek, so he would certainly have picked out on such a discrepancy when consulting other translations.
Ayup. It's actually a bit of a tangent when he says it. But that's common for his writing. Like a 19thC ADHD sufferer using 18thC prose, and no understanding of how to use commas.

He wasn't speaking about Aryan mythology though, rather the derivative mythology of Semites influenced by Europoid colonization. Beyond the discussion of imagery, his ordering of events is accurate down to the infestation of Semitic thought in Europe in the form of Cucktianity.

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Thanks.

So you mean that "Jabulon" is one of titles used in the process of the reconstruction/delineation of said name of God?

What wasn't meant to be the, or a, lost secret?

How do you know this?

Impressive. So you think all the conflation between Satan and Lucifer so common today in popular culture is due to that translation error in the KJV?

But where's the evidence for that assertion, that ancient Israelite mythology and religion was a reaction to Ancient Aryan invasions? It could actually be the other way around: if the Ancient-Aryan hypothesis is true (i.e. that AAs created the mediterranean civilizations - Egypt, Persia, Babylon etc - in the first place), then one could actually make a strong case that the Old Testament IS a partially Aryan document, as it was ipso facto created by literate elites (= Aryans) in the immediate post-diluvian timeframe.

If the aforementioned AA hypothesis holds true, Christianity wouldn't be properly semitic, but actually be a late offshot of AA metaphysics. Speaking of "cucktianity" always seems to hold much unwarranted spite; after all, the great majority of people converted by their own free will, elites as well as commoners. This points to the fact that most paganisms of that timeframe were seriously degenerated and people were looking for some kind of spiritual rejuvenation.

There's really no point in posting if you are going to out yourself as a kike so clearly.

I suppose I'll repeat it for the thousandth time in case anyone new happens by the board at just this time: The Abrahamic tradition arose as a response to the decline in Europoid presence in the ancient Near East. It is a bastardization of history from a Semitic slant used to unite Canaanite tribes. Abrahamists have never been Europoids. Yeshua is a Semite, and the cult that worships him is a perverse manual of subversion. That subversion has always resulted in the destruction of cultures into which Cucktianity is introduced, and the establishment of Semitic hegemony over the ruins. Europeans have never been degenerate barbarians, that is propaganda propagated by race traitors and Semites in order to obscure the fact that Cucktian doctrine toward nativist traditions is genocide and debasement. Christcucks are directly responsible for the state of European nations today, as without their help, Semites would be nothing more than savages contained in their tribal lands if not already eradicated. There is no such thing as a good Jew/Israeli/Semite/Canaanite/non-Europoid and no form of Cucktianity which is not treasonous for a Europoid to follow.

Kinda. Like, it's a precursor title. Being a bunch of words (order can be changed) meaning "Lord, most high, totally awesome, etc." and then "God". It's actually quite nice, but a trifle superfluous. Given that the double triangle is used for the key symbol of the degree, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just a bit of padding.
Kinda both. Like, if you look at the 3rd degree (that link i gave is fine. Americans are different, but the brunt is still there), the secrets of a Master Mason are lost by the death of Hiram Abiff.
The Holy Royal Arch, touted as the completion of the 3rd degree (which… whole other story, involving politics and the Antients/Moderns), stipulates that the Holy Name of God is the lost secret, and you "rediscover" it during the ceremony. The 1st issue i have, is that it becomes a bit too theological, which doesn't really fit the Craft degrees messages in the right way. They're more about practical life, and the 3rd is about one's own path to understanding God. It doesn't try to impose anything like the HRA does.
Second issue is that even the HRA degree points out that the Name was known only to the high priests. So why would the death of a Tyrian architect cause it to be lost? Especially since Hiram during the 3rd says, "Without the [consent of the] other two Grand Masters, I will not, and *cannot* divulge the secrets of a Master Mason. The other two GMs being King Solomon and King Hiram of Tyre, really shouldn't have much to do with something restricted to Judaen priests. Let alone the death of one of them meaning that the secrets would be lost, since the HRA degree finds the Holy Name written on a gold plate in a hidden altar in the Temple.
So i belong to a school of thought that when the 3rd was written (in like 1720-30), they meant the secrets to be to do with the geometric ability of making triangles. It's of paramount importance to a builder, and to demonstrate it in person, you'd need three people.
Fairly common knowledge if you're interested. The USA Southern Jurisdiction has a good write up on their website, and there are tonnes of books exploring it.
scottishrite.org/about/history/
Pretty much. You don't see any issue with the term prior to that. Just one of those unfortunate ideas which spread further than it had merit so to do.

For someone presenting such lack og historical knowledge you should be clearly more humble.

I know you asserted this. Where's your evidence, though?

Directly contradicts the AA hypothesis. The OT was written by mediterranean, post-diluvian literate elites. Aryans were the only group who fit this profile in that region and timeframe, or are you positing the existence of another, highly-developed cultural group unrelated to AAs?

Let's define terms first. How do you define "semite" in the first place? (it's an important question, because "Semite" usually is defined as a linguistic, not an ethnic category)

On the contrary, Romano-Germanic Christianity was what had made Europe great in the first place. The historical and "ideo-political" correspondence clearly shows this. Once its hold over the hearts and minds of kings and commoners waned, then subversion crept in.

First, that's simply untrue. Did Roman or Greek or German culture disappear with the advent of Christianity? Of course not; on the contrary, in the case of the Germanics, it was that doctrine that made their national unifications in the form of the early kingdoms possible in the first place. But even IF it were true; wouldn't that show that those oh-so strong, and vital and elevated religions had some deep flaws that permitted their rapid overturning in the first place? Hint: yes, they had. They had become hollow, degenerated to mere formalities, didn't either offer strength to elites nor hopes to the masses. That's why they all fell so rapidly. Greece 50AD - to give an example - had fallen a long way from the classical heights 700 hundred years earlier. Even a non-Christian traditionalist like Evola conceded that point.

Clearly wrong. Late antiquity was a time of immense degeneration in the mediterranean world, of sexual debasement, rampant slavery and cruelty, of usury and rapacious destruction, of relativist idolatry. The same holds true for large parts of the Germanic tribal world. That's why millions and millions of peoples converted so rapidly, elites as well as commoners. Your rosseauist romanticism is juvenile and shows lack of knowledge regarding antiquity.

"Treasonous" would imply that there exists a clearly superior, obviously "europid" doctrine (disregarding the fact for the moment, that Christianity IS a late offshot of AA metaphysics) - what's your metaphysical stance, then? Also, be aware what a "fallacy of origin" is.

Nah m8. I'm from a multi-generational freemasonic family, with several 33rd degree members on it, and can say that you are definitely romanticizing the order. The most accurate book i've ever read about freemasonry is the SS guidebook for it.
However, it is true that freemasons are not satanists in any way conceivable, quite the opposite actually.

The latter statement is accurate, however, the first one is simply bullshit. The single most important figure in freemasonry after God is Hiram Abiff, the jew who supposedly built the first Temple of Jerusalem, freemasons adopted the jewish mysticism (kaballhah), although in a very different manner, to "follow God's plan" and make the world a better place; and historically it had a lot of jews in its ranks (Lafayette, Kalergi, etc…) AND had a key importance in the emancipation of jews in the european society.

Except for the Adam thing, which i dont know about, this is true.

This is a very important point. During the 18th century the Catholic Chruch, like the kikes they are, tried to take control of freemasonry and subvert them into another monastic order. Short story: it failed and they got butthurt. This is also the origin of all "freemasons are satanists" memes.

I think Murray is a kike surname, though.

Anyone who has studied under him is already an adept of the mystery schools (not through speaking about the mysteries but by doing a deep study of the Bible).

That's true. Freemasonry's main inspiration is the christian bible. And that isn't a good thing.

I dont know if it's possible. I fear that if all judaic influences were removed from it, it would simply cease being freemasonry, as one of the "landmarks" claim, one of the main parts of freemasonry is the myth of Hiram, and if a rite chooses not to follow it, it will no longer be considered part of freemasonry.

Pike is a controversial figure, but i think your hypothesis is most likely the truth. Pike probably didnt care enough about metapolitics to have had such effect on current politics as people claim. Also, those letters of him which he talks about 2 world wars are fake.

Very true. However, i dont see why we would insist in keeping any trace of jewish mythology in our culture, it's inherently anti-european to do so.

Not sure about that. The CC certainly fought FM (as is logical, as FM inherently denies the CC's claim to metaphysical monopoly), but infiltrating it? Very important, in this context, are the Jesuits, who themselves are a militant, semi-esoteric, highly hierarchic and powerful order, very unlike the Christian orders which came before it. It's highly significant that Weisshaupt was a Jesuit professor, although I know very little about the mutual influences between FM and Jesuitry.

This is true, and that alone makes FM highly questionable from a Nat/NatSoc point of view.

Perhaps in symbology, but not in actual metaphysical doctrine, for one simple reason: for Christians and according to the NT, Jesus Christ is THE way, the only one. A secret society, with oaths, rituals and grades of knowledge and ilumination? That's ipso facto anti-Christian and crypto-pagan.

Depends. Do you sufficiently differentiate between the terms "jewish", "judaic", "hebrew" and "israelite"? Those are not synonyms without clarification, especially in the context of the Ancient Aryans debate.

Yes, both freemasonic literature and the SS book i mentioned talk about that. This act mainly happened when freemasonry was spreading around France, with several of its most famous protestant members, like Scot Ramsay, who once was a grand master of the order, and Baron von Hunn und Altengrotkau, converted to catholicism during that moment of history. There were also plenty of priests who were members of freemasonry at the time, while we don't have any concrete proof, it is very likely that this was a concerned effort by part of both the english and the french clergy to subvert the order into, like i said, another one of the several orders created in the middle ages subordinated to the church. François Fenelon, the archbishop of Paris and the cardinal Louis Antoine de Noailles seems to be the masterminds behind this whole movement, both being freemasons, of course.
Only after their failed tentative of subversion did the catholic church shun freemasonry, eventually leading to the papal bull of condemnation.
AFAIK, there isnt that big of a connection between freemasonry and the jesuits, as they have different origins, freemasonry being from the anglosphere and the jesuits from the hispanosphere.

That and the fact that historically it was a big proponent for liberalism, although there are some exceptions like DeMaistre.

SPECIALLY in doctrine. For hundreds of years, christianity was the only conceivable religion a freemason could ever have, that eventually changed in the final part of the 18th century with the influx of jews into the order. Freemasonry is ENTIRELY christian, all of it's tradition are judaeo-christian, lots of important christian thinkers of the last 500 years were freemasons, the church admired freemasonry in the beiginning, like i said, freemasonry even today upholds christian doctrines, etc…
Heck, in every single freemasonic meeting the bible needs to be kissed, otherwise the lodge can't be properly set up.

They are all foreign and something we need to get rid of. All the teachings (((Yeshua ben Yosef))) professed were said before by europeans both in Europe, Iran, India and the Levant. There is literally nothing to lose if we were to erase all signs of jewish/judaic/hebrew/israelite culture from ours.

In my lands, the tribes used to set faggots on fire and throw their ashes on the crops as fertilizers, whereas we would build huge, decorated, tombs for those who actually were good members of society, many of which have survived into this age. When christianity took hold, sodomy also came with the (((priests))), so much that the catholic church ACTUALLY married 2 men to eachother in the year of 1041, with the approval of the Vatican.
If anything, christianity made my people MORE degenerate by introducing alcoholism, pederasty, sodomy, among other degeneracies.

He was a Tyrian Phoenician. Most likely not a jew. Nor was Lafayette for that matter. Jews were only able to join well after their emancipation.

Which are?

Here's a weird question out of nowhere but does the name Azaziel appear anywhere?

Possibly, or the converse - an intent by FM to infiltrate the CC themselves. After all - and this isn't really an interest of mine, just throwing it out -, there is a prominent stream of conspiracy theory positing that today's Vatican HAS been subverted by "Satano-Masons". Malachi Martin wrote some books on this topic.

Agree.

Interesting.

In the context of metaphysical truths I have to call that a fallacy of origin. Something can be foreign, but true, and native, but wrong.

All the teachings […] professed were said before by europeans both in Europe, Iran, India and the Levant.
Partially, because, as you of course know, according to the NT Jesus wasn't only some wisdom teacher and not even a prophet, but the Son of God himself. If that's true or not, is another question, of course.

>(((Yeshua ben Yosef)))
Hate to be that guy, but it's really not valid to call him a Jew. Since you know your Bible, you know that the very word is quite recent, and the closest thing to our contemporary shekelgrabbers (behaviorally, not genetically) were the Pharisees and Saducees - sworn enemies of Jesus, the very thing called the "Synagoge of Satan". Ethno-geographically I would call him a Galatian, antropo-spiritually an Israelite.

Perhaps in some (!) Germanic regions (because in others, public buggering was an accepted shaming method for disgraced males), but pederasty was hugely common in the Mediterranean.

>When christianity took hold, sodomy also came with the (((priests))), so much that the catholic church ACTUALLY married 2 men to eachother in the year of 1041, with the approval of the Vatican.
We should somehow gather and check some data on this, otherwise it ends in an interchange of anecdotes, because I read in a few passages during the year that for many converts in the Roman Empire, Christianity was perceived as a huge breath of moral fresh air. No more temple prostitution, drastic reduction of chattle slavery etc. Hard to say, of course, where the line is between polemics and apologetics.

Don't have an opinion specifically on Hiram Abiff, but Phoenicians were behaviorally quite close to what we call Jews today. Very oriented towards mercantilism and trade exploitation, good to see in their descendants, the Punics/Carthagians.

I heard you have a sekrit handclasp

Stupid example. You don't know what you're talking about faggot.

I see a janitor has been at work.
Hermes trismegistus is still a faggot, and jahbulon won't save you. No matter how much your illumined mods clean house. I'll come back every time and post it. Keep putting on the sheep apron you ass pegging faggots.

whites take it over make it better than it ever was by exclusion of rat face parasite jews. They getting a bit geriatric not that I care about religiosity more concerned about the nepotism that they are know for should be a model for all upstanding whites to ban together and fuck all foes (minorities) (non founding religions) tell them to fuck off or show them they will be fucked off trying to infiltrate us.No open borders all shitskins going back and White men form a bond together to cut out the jew in every facet of life we live in.After all they are nothing but parasites why should we prop them up anymore seems ridiculous on its face and no conceivable reason to allow a vampire jew to inherit what a white man has built.

Read the thread before you spaz, you fucking poser

A wiki link is more than enough for an ignorant nigger like you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_religion#Dragon_or_serpent

The fact that you posted one should be enough cause to speed up that suicide you've been contemplating. Serpents have a multiple meanings in Aryan religions. Just like Shiva. Go back to /fringe/ with your Jewish tranny leader and play at this shit. Don't come here and post wikis.

Doesn't invalidate the fact that serpent/dragon-slaying is a central motif in PIE mythology. Gas yourself immediately.

Filtered, hegaelian bullshitter.

It does actually because the serpent also plays the role of rebirth, moderation, destruction. The Heavenly bird carries you to heaven, the snake brings you down to earth. You posted wikipedia. You're a dumb guy.

You lost this one, accept it. Swallow the shame, it happens to the best.

Addressing multiple threads, a few ideas:

Ramsay's Oration (which exists in several variations) is the the source for Templar connections to masonry, only he doesn't even say Templars. He refers to Knights of Saint John, which included Templars, but also Hospitallers, Teutonic Knights, and Lazurites, the last of which Ramsay was a member of. The French Cosmopolitan "rite" elaborated that into the Kadosh (pure Jesuit bullshit).

Thomas Dunckerley (illegitimate son of George II) further expanded the English degree system with his versions of them, including the Mark, 9 Arches and Templars. All of them using some version of the Jesuit emblem (the triple tau) and the casuistic composite god name of the Royal Arch. Dunckerley had been well schooled in the Kabbalah by Jewish fellow sailors.

The actual building customs still exist and continue in the Builders corporations, the Compagnonnage, even the ancient charges. James II and his entourage borrowed them and misused his privilege, and the later Grand Lodge pretenders: Anderson and Desaguilers grossly elaborated them with advice from Rabbi Falk and others, who even designed the emblem of York rite with the ark and Cherubim. Just discard everything after 1717 if it offends.

The Company fellows that survived the destruction of the monasteries, became hedge schools, as their actual trades were not in high demand until 1666. They taught geometry, Greek, Latin, musical notation, poetry, etcetera to commoners. Alexander Pope, and the circles around him were beneficiaries of this, with the Blount family as patrons.

The Irish Catholics created many renegade versions, while preserving their own histories and practices, notably the Hibernian Order. Check out the Goban saor folk legends.

Like I said, you're just dumb, wiki poster.

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Connection or larping speculation? DId Templars become stone crafters and when?

Stone Masons worked on many Crusade operations, including Templar preceptories. There were probably many who were minor functionaries in their organization. When the order dissolved a few may have sought out old friends. Most were just absorbed into other religious organizations, and only a small number were ever arrested.

Masonic Templarism (as separate from Kadosh) is a reaction by aristocrats who are were threatened by the various utopian social ideas becoming popular on the continent, Anglo-masonry under a grand lodge appointed a royal figure to be Grand Master to solve the same problem. Each National Grand organization did something different with the basic ideas of Kadosh, and Templarism. There are explicitly Catholic versions, weird esoteric ones (Elus Cohens/Rectified Scottish Rite) Crown lackey versions like Sweden and England, and rebel hotbeds like the more distaff Scots and Irish lodges, as well as Caribbean and Colonial versions.

What was the purpose of incorporating Masonry as the model as opposed to say a direct Templar order? Was Masonry that superior in their organizing abilities, or that good of a front organization, as opposed to say just openly creating an, "order of Aristocratic knights" or something?
I understand Masonry had good organization but never understood why Catholics or Templars would take on their model for a social club/clandestine order. I understand why Jews did it, because that was later when Freemasonry was revolutionary and popular but I don't understand the other groups who started much earlier.
Why not just start a mafia or a religious order with church money backing it instead of larping as stone builders specifically?

Cornerstone niggers are absolutely pathetic.

Templars didn't. That's the point. Ramsay's nonsense inspired the Rite of Strict Observance, which set off the Masonic Templary. There were some non-Masonic ones, but they were never as popular, since Masonry was in vogue at the time, and claiming that it was formed by Templars kept it that way. Gave it more legitimacy, even if it was fraudulent and not really claimed.

As for Catholics, they started Masonry, and have always been members. The Vatican just slowed it down in 1736, but that didn't stop many aristocrats from remaining in their exclusive club.
Again, popularity, but because Masonry was different from that. If you were a Mason, you were able to mingle with all society, specifically the scientifically inclined. Mafias weren't a thing yet, and they didn't need church money.

I just don't get why Masonry (a builder's guild) would be more popular than other groups that would serve the same function in society. Like a Scientific Society, or Academic society seems more attractive than a work guild (before Freemasons became popular that is).
Masons had something going for them that allowed for more franchises than other groups. They're the McDonalds of social clubs. McDonalds was efficient and had a good model, while other burger joints probably had better food or more variety. I wonder what the Freemasons did that made them the biggest social club for as you said, "all society, specifically the scientifically inclined".

And I think that's an important distinction to know about because behind all the Freemason conspiracy and public fear is the idea that it's just weird to join a mason's guild when you work in let's say, stocks and bonds or own a grocery store. That's what makes it seem so very clandestine and 'evil'.

Freemasonry was/is a scientific/academic society, though. Especially back then. By the time 1700 rolled around, it was in no way an operative guild.

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Most who join derive clear benefits. One, it's a filter. Members undergo a vetting process, so they are usually not criminals, drug addicts, or insane. Instantly they have a huge pool of people that are slightly better than the average to interact with. If a joiner has a scheme, it is easy to promote to a wide variety of people in a community. Members aren't allow to cheat other members, and are kicked out if they do. If you owned a restaurant and invited members, you would benefit from that instant business, and likely you would extend perks to your special friends. Instant crony network. Where's yours?

Are we smug posting the Creek now?

I guess it was the vetting process that would of been the best reason… in the sense that church Mason codes were strict and needed a level of moral competence and learning to preform the duty. You can't have your church ceiling collapsing and killing people – that's bad ju ju.
Given that, a different society, like say an Explorer Society, would be less successful in creating a lasting culture of unity – and there in a lasting culture of networking like the Freemasons did.

Do they still practice versions of the genius loci in any way shape or form?

How does OP reconcile the fact that the Bhagavad-Gita says the material world is an illusion?

What exactly is wrong with AMORC besides triggering OP's autism?

A consequence of construction of any large, complex structure will almost inevitably result in accidental death, or one of the senior employee dies. When that happens a special notation is made of the death of a workman in the structure itself. The worker may have their ashes in whole or part added to the cornerstone or placed in a symbolically appropriate place. The workman lives in his work.

It's a scam for people who don't know better. They make passable material, then charge out the arse for it. So really, it's only major fault is being overly expensive for what's offered. BOTA is the superior version.

I have heard Manly push for world government to stop war.

Fair enough. I thought it had more to do with their philosophy or ideological allegiances.

bump

Mystery cult of Mithraism and its brotherhood of degrees

This. And make no mistake, the new age cults are the same thing, just re-branded. These idiots are waiting for Ascended Masters and UFO's to come and warp them to the 5th dimension. All they have to do is give off good vibes, avoid all negativity and meditate. It's the equivalent of sitting around praying and waiting for the rapture. Inaction is encouraged and even righteous anger at all the evil in the world is heavily frowned upon.
It's yet another perversion of ancient teachings into a modern day, self-indulgent circle jerk.

Is that what youtube told you? lol

Don't let retards trick you into lumping them in with people who you'd do well to learn more about.

So the ultimate question I have is, does their group actually hold any significant power? Or is it just "muh secret club: hundreds of years old edition" with the only real benefit being if you know their secret handshake you get special favors (ie like any other fucking businessman with connections around town)? Cause the Freemason group in a town near me is composed of nothing but niggers. I'm not even kidding, I work with one and there's a photo he has of a group of them at a public event and every last one is a nigger. So you could understand when I ask if they have any significant power, because let's fucking face it, a group of niggers will never, EVER get anything of true worth done. I mean this whole "preserve grammar, logic, music" shit is fine, but to what end? Is it just to give each other economic/business advice? Kickbacks? Career Networking? It seems like nothing more than a shallow club of special snowflakes doing each other favors to me. And going back to my previous point, I honestly can't picture niggers upholding ANY of those virtues, let alone work toward some higher goal. Sometimes I think they even use it as an excuse to get together and talk about how much they hate white people.

Nope. Founders of it. You can’t fool us. We will never become ✡masons.✡

Jews didn't found Mason guilds you fucking idiot. Read the thread. Guilds were a huge part of European culture. Freemasons started from the guild of masons. It slowly became a mystery school because it was one of the most educated guilds. There were no "science" guilds or whatever back in the 1500-1700s.

It's Jewish now but not in its source.

Is there an esoteric school that doesn't involve asshole touching or being shot in the face?

All (((esoterics))) according to how it's used on here by the many IPs of Smiley/fringe/ and people like you is absolute fucking Jewish faggotry.

Now Mystery Schools are a different story. They go back to Mirtha, Baccas, Plato's school and further. But these days I very much doubt they exist or have a need to exist. In the old days they offered salvation through spiritual cultivation and taught natural sciences.

Now, there is so much "spiritualism", so many churches and schools, so much information… Modern Freemasons are either local plebs who are Christians or just interested in this kind of stuff or at the top (like everything at the top) are involved in power plays and (((globalism))).

I think that sums it up pretty well. Randell Carslon who goes on Joe Rogan and talks about Cathederial masonry and cilimate shifts going back millions of years is a good Freemason who has interesting things to say about "man being the measure of all things" as in how measurment and masonry was invented thousands of years ago, and how our very body's are analogist to the measure's of the earth itself.

So that's kind of cool but I don't know how much more you can get out of it than that. Being a Catholic, the higher up you go, the more gay sex you'lll run into. When it comes to Skull and Bones or whatever I imagine it includes prostitutes and fuckery.

Clinton was a CIA cutout from his Rhodes scholar days and was moving coke into Hot Springs for the spooks. He found that he could set up a semi-reliable mob made out of bikers and rednecks by playing up the /ourguy/ Bubba angle.

Pic related tried to duplicate it and failed.

Their own documents say otherwise. You were literally just blown the fuck out.

So asshole touching. Got it.

Think I'll just stick to mushrooms and Manley P. Hall.

Did they have a name?

Literally?
Literalllllllly
Fuck I hate scholars. I don't give a fuck what kikes say.

You're a loser. How did you even find this place?

hipster scholars I mean

They don't, though. The pics you posted were opinions, not gospel.

JR is mah niqqa.

Uh huh. Reported.

Hmm.

the stench of Schueler is strong here

The Jews were Marranos (nominally Catholic), and they got into the Jesuits. It was the Jesuits via Ramsay backed by Fénelon that got into the Jacobite exile lodges. It would be some time before actual Jews would be allowed to join either French or English lodges. Anderson and Desaguliers both fell all over themselves to Judaize masonry, and most of the identifiable kikery occurs at that point. The French maintained nominal Christian and Atheist lodges until the Memphis and/or Misraim Rites were fabricated to bypass the no Juden rules.

You serious? If that's the case that it's perverting some hidden value that is only present in it's most true form then how about you break it down to even more esoteric archetypes. I guarantee you that this character shared traits with stories before of heroes, you're just digging a hole that leads to simple human communication rather than rationale for why it is so significant

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Freemasonry began as a reaction against the suppression of knowledge by the Catholic Church within Protestant nations, they adopted the Medieval Guild system whereby the Churches influence had extended into every aspect of society, in particular that of the Stone Masons and their role in crafting the principle edifice of Christendom the Cathedral.

The Free Masons no longer looked to construct Cathedrals on behalf of the Catholic Church, rather each looked to become a perfect ashlar within a symbolic Temple of Solomon, thus placing esoteric Hebraism at the very heart of society.

It has to be realized that every potentially subversive esoteric or classical tract that was reintroduced into Europe was passing through the hands of (((Merchants))), that they had a monopoly on supposedly lost wisdom and they were presenting themselves as all knowing, this can be seen for example in the work New Atlantis by Sir Francis Bacon were a long lost community of Jews upon some remote island seemingly has access to profound philosophical ideas and revolutionary scientific doctrine that greatly surpasses the European, the Jews had inserted themselves into the Renaissance and the Reformation periods and were also at the very heart of Anti-Catholic subversion and the financing of the Protestant cause.

The earlier example of this is by the Rabbi Rashi at Troyes who introduced French nobility into the Kabbalah and thus founded the Knights Templar, the basis for the Jewish speculation was the much earlier Mesopotamian Tree of Life but as passed on through Judaism entirely Jewish speculative thought having nothing in common with the earlier tradition it supposedly derived from, everything that passed through Jewish hands was distorted towards their own promotion, an exercise in re-packaging and dominating the esoteric market.

The danger then of Free Masonry was that the institution at the very heart of Protestant society involved a tradition which elevated the Jew as the Master of All Hidden Knowledge wherein reality he had only ever peddled his own brand of shoddy goods.

Yes. They are opinions. Just because it has those titles doesn't make it any more legit than anything else. Only something authored and published by Grand Lodges can be considered canon.
Do some research.

U wot m8? Anderson made it as Christian as possible. Desaguiliers did the same, focusing on science as FRS. It was Wharton who started the de-Christianising, and Sussex who actually pulled the trigger at the Union.

So Jews came in with the aristocratic Freemasony? Is that because of money lending and Oliver Cromwell? Early 1700s is very early for Jews to infiltrate.

That went way over your head, Smiley. You're too indoctrinated with your own bullshit that you picked up off of chans. The reason why "magic" is Zoroastrian and not your bad translation of Jungian archetypes is because real magic is "Wisdom", as in Reason, as in Rational thought. Jut like Jung was a fucking scientist, not a hack poser conman wizard.
It's a history of development of philosophy/natural science.
White magic = learning
Black magic = retardation
Stop playing Harry Potter god damn it! You're have to be almost 30yrs old!

You ignored the entier thread to post your silly copy/paste your Catholic propaganda.

It's not Catholic propaganda to note that the Free Masons subverted the Medieval Guild system towards their own purposes and nor was it copy/paste.

The process that i outlined had been occurring since the Medieval period at least, when the Jewish Merchant-Scholars from across the Diaspora would gather at the Great Fair of Troyes and re-introduce lost works, it's that which gave rise to the Templars who many see as a precedent for Free Masonry, as well as numerous other heresies that developed in the region.

I don't have any issue with the re-introduction of ancient tradition, it's simply a case of check the source, and Free Masonry is fake tradition.

Yes it is. Freemasons came out of the guilds. That's why they exist. You're already using cryptic melavolant langauge "subverted".
But here's the problem. You're saying kikes invented mystery cults after Catholicism took over Eurpean culture. That's a lie.
You're saying the Kabbalah isn't just a cheap rip-off of NeoPlatonic or gnostic (inverted Zoroastrian) thought.
You're giving credit for alchemy and natural science almost souly to the kikes. It's just not true. Masons were practicing revived Hellenistic tech and that's how they were able to build cathedrials of such magnitutde after th 1400s. And that's why they became more and more of a mystery school over time. There wasn't any competiting guilds like a "science guild" or a "Acedemia guild".

You're missing the whole fucking point of the thread and copy/pasting ideas you read out of some low-teir scholar's book.

Jews almost never invent anything of depth. Even Freud stole most of his ideas from Nietzsche .
You missed the entire thread to copy/paste your fucking shit.

Speculative Masonry is entirely different than the earlier Operative, few if any of it's members were actual Stone Masons, the former constructed actual buildings the latter re-constructed society, it's also the case that Christianity itself was Jewish re-packaging of earlier tradition with their own brand stamped upon it, in that sense they were only introducing a new product line.

I haven't stated the Jews originated the Mysteries only that they re-introduced many aspects through the far ranging activities of Merchant-Scholars, that includes speculation on the Mesopotamian Tree of Life from Babylonian sources, but what they made of it was something else entirely, there was always a ready market but much of what was introduced was simply absurd as was the case with Medieval Grimoires.

I don't give them any credit in natural science but i pointed out that Sir Francis Bacon did in his New Atlantis work, that is the extent to which they had inserted themselves into the narrative.

If the point of this entire thread was to understand Free Masonry i'm making valid contribution, if the point was only to provide more dis-information as if there wasn't enough then sorry for intruding.

Smiley isn't a pancake.
He's more of a Tranflake.

It is, because such an assertion is backwards. Blame Henry Tudor.

Quit projecting Chris.

My partners brother in law is a 3rd generation "Warshipful Master" of a certain lodge. We have drinks together when we meet and I even got a personal tour of the lodge. When questioned I was never given any answers just vagueness. But with his reference I could join my local Freemasons with a snap of his fingers, but it does cost money and not that cheap either if you want to "progress'

OK so I don't understand the difference. If at the Great Fair of Troyes Jews created a mystery school and the Templars, then what about all the other links to mystery school works? Did they dry up like old Latin during the Dark Ages and Jews brought it back? Because the Kabbalah is nowhere near as old as NeoPlatonism or Philosophy being brought back, or Christian monks exploring Celtic myths, or Zoroastrianism which still exists.

Where/When is the cut off for European mystery schools so the Jews could create and market their own?

Anderson's Constitution 1723:

I. Concerning GOD and RELIGION.
…But though in ancient Times Masons were charg’d in every Country to be of the Religion of that Country or Nation, whatever it was, yet ’tis now thought more expedient only to oblige them to that Religion in which all Men agree, leaving their particular Opinions to themselves; that is, to be good Men and true, or Men of Honour and Honesty, by whatever Denominations or Persuasions they may be distinguish’d; whereby Masonry becomes the Center of Union, and the Means of conciliating true Friendship among Persons that must have remain’d at a perpetual Distance.

In the revised Anderson's Constitutions of 1738, Anderson modifies the phrase "A mason is oblig'd by his tenure to observe the moral law as true Noachidae".

Noachidae is a specific term in the Talmud and elsewhere (Even non Talmudic Jews utilize it) outlining acceptable behavior for goyim.

Gotta keep the lights on.
Should be free, unless it's a fake lodge.

At the time, all those terms were regarding Christianity. That's why they had to be removed to allow non-Christians to join. The "Religion in which all Men agree" was Christianity, and the "whatever denominations" was to avoid showing preference to Catholics or Protestants because everything was still very tense at the time.

Sounds a lot like a fake lodge money scam that USA seem to be full off.
You cannot join the masons, they will ask you to join them. And you are most likely a key person in society.

Other way around. Fake lodges invite. Real lodges require you to ask.

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It's true that when the link between the Guild System and the Catholic Church was severed in England by Henry Tudor that they became anachronistic and went into decline but it was the Free Masons who decided to reconstitute the old system in the speculative sense towards their own organizational structuring.

A long term systematic repression of former tradition had taken place once the Roman Empire had been compromised by Christianity, the early Churches principle target had always been Rome and we know from our own times how leaders can be compromised to furthering outrageous Jewish agenda and destroying our cultural identity, at a certain point however they had lost control of that which they had created.

youtu.be/pqFKK7V8XMc

The re-introduction of former esoteric traditions gave the Jews the opportunity to re-establish control over both the source and interpretation of such thus becoming the unseen force behind the rise of every heresy within Christendom.

The process began at Fairs such as Troyes and the compromising of the Nobility but of course they were selective in what they introduced, the situation was somewhat different at the onset of the Renaissance when Italian Merchant families were actively seeking out former Classical sources for themselves and thus avoiding the middle man.

Now that's actually a toughie to say either way. Like, when we look at minutes and records during the transitional period, it's clear that the guilds were dead anyway, but so far you couldn't really say if it was the non-operatives themselves furthering it, or if it was the operatives wanting their shit to be saved in any way.

Yes i'm sure members themselves wanted to preserve their wisdom and allegorical traditions and were happy enough to put that to the new cause of Protestantism assuming they were such, there were quite a few Guilds represented in terms of degrees such as the Ark Mariner's for ship builders.

user, you put it so very well thankyou.

oops didn't mean to sage.

I think you misunderstand. RAM isn't for ship builders, it was about the craft of masonry (and yes, that's why it was changed by the GLE in the 1730s, because it makes less sense than using the Temple).

The Ship building Guilds used to perform mystery plays in places such as York which involved the construction of Noah's Ark, this was also incorporated into speculative Masonry as the coverall organization of the formerly separate Guilds.

Aye, they all did. That's why we have Freemasonry.
Not so much. The RAM degree is more about the triangle and the rainbow than anything to do with ships.
Remember a lot of the other guilds were able to keep going on their own merits.

It's about Noah's Ark and the transition from the Ante-Diluvian to the Post, the three sons of Noah and the rainbow sign of the Covenant, thus the importance of ship building and sailing of such as the Supreme Commander of the Universe.

Absolutely. With Christian additions.
Not so much. It's just… there.
stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/ovom_r2.html
Check it. (Sorry about the modern version. Possibly American too, but it gets most of it right).

Yes, the Shipbuilding companies often sponsored the performance of the Noah play series, but those were entirely within the scope of 'popery' by the time of the Portsmouth Royal Arch Mariner (likely a Dunkerley degree).

Mystery plays were done in series on calendrically significant days. None of that exists in the masonic forms. Instead you get lunar lodges, convenient for traveling rural brethren to get home afterwards. This ties more into the speculation exemplified by Iolo Morganwg and the Celtic Revivalists, with lunar Marian symbolism and megalithic landmarks (the porphyry stone). I wish masonry had gone further in this direction, but with royal Patronage the norm that would never happen, because the Celts elected their Kings and drew a line between the sacerdotal, administrative and war functions.

So how do you know when and where to draw a circle around what is (((esoteric))) and what is Renaissance? For example, the British Israelite types will call themselves the true tribes of Israel and often see Jews as the enemy.
Other groups often claim, like the Christian shills who post here (and don't really believe it but want to bring people back to the church) that the Old Test is a different God.
Now this is still promoting the Jewish books over Eurpoean heritage/history, but it doesn't mean that it's inherently Jewish.

The Thomas Jefferson Bible and his interpretations of Jesus as normal guy who didn't have powers and wasn't the son of god but a prophet, much like Islam has in their gospels, is a good example of this because it denotes Jews as being in contact with god but then calls them rejectors of god, the ultimate traitors in a sense.

In the end of course the Jews win by being chosen and special in any advent and it keeps their cohesiveness alive (it gives them a huge amount a meme power). But to say that Christian mystery schools using Hebrew memes are automatically a tool of Judaism seems like a modern perspective looking backwards, seeing it from the eyes of a world run by Jewish crime. In a world where Christianity is essentially a joke for low IQ idiots and weak people it is easy to say that it's all a tool of the Jew. But if we lived 100yrs ago it might seem like the very foundations of Western Civilization simply because it would be fucking everywhere.

So I don't know where you draw the line in a world where everything intersects with the Bible's influence. It's all a tool of the Jew and unhealthy for the Aryan spirit; BUT saying all groups are Jewish run, Jewish inspired, Jewish controlled… I would say that's a stretch. Even with the Fairs/Troyes link and lending to aristocrats. American Founding Fathers who were Freemasons were incredibly 'antisemitic' for example.

Scottish rite was a requirement years ago, but folks have been able to join the shrine straight out of the blue lodge first least 15 years.

That was the problem that Protestants had with the Guild System, that it was tied into the veneration of Saints on their Feast Days, but that principle goes right back to the earliest recorded civilization of Mesopotamia were society was arranged around shrines dedicated to vocational Deities as the hub of communities with regards to distribution and welfare, increasing complexity within society always led to an increase in required Deities and thus as their family tree developed so also did civilization, strict Deism ends that entire process of extending Divine patronage into every area of life, and thus the entire tradition and basis of civilization disappeared behind the closed doors of the Masonic Hall.

I take your point in suggesting that any tradition is better than no tradition and after all things are what you make of them, Christianity works perfectly well as a system of spiritual guidance within it's own limited parameters, but as you note through engaging with it that empowers those who developed the basis of that religion as your spiritual mentors.

As you suggest also there is a fundamental challenge to Jewish interests within Christian Doctrine anyway given their crime of Deicide, and that does extend without mitigating circumstances to a murderous approach to humanity in general in not recognizing our inseparability from the Divine, but rather removing this into the realm of the Deist abstraction.

It's all a question of recognizing which earlier religious traditions formed the archetypes of Christianity and how they can be realized towards the Second Coming of Ninurta…

Yes i read that and all the while i was imagining myself onboard the good Ship of Heaven with the Rainbow Goddess Inanna discussing what fun it would be to somewhat refine humanity through the mystical art of selective reproduction.

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Too bad