Shit controls

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lololol

Your claim was that apart from dialogue and scripted encounters, Fallout 3 was better. I'll claim Fallout 2 also had better story. Being a white person LARPing a reservation ape in a long forgotten movie set and needing to find a magic gardening kit is better than the thing that was Fallout 3's plot.

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It could be much better if the tone was more serious. I like the "fallen nuclear society" plot, but shits like mutants, wacky robots, and le 50's amirite XD really ruin the immersion.

Both have shit story that I don't care much about. Fallout 2 has better quests, but not story.

Nigger I wasted about 60 hours on this game, 100 hours on Daggerfall, and like 2 weeks worth of time on Ultima 7.

Yeah, you are right. In the end irrelevant though as both games have horrible gameplay compared to other games of their genres.

No wonder this site is dying with 9GAG tier opinions like these.

Just yesterday I started playing Fallout 2 and I have the same exact complaints you do.
The controls are really annoying. If you want to just investigate something you have to right click, then left click+hold and then move to the option you want. I don't know why they didn't just make left click automatically move or attack and right click always bring up a contextual menu.
The combat is AIDs. For some retarded reason you can't move the camera or mouse during enemy turns and it takes forever just to get in and out of combat.
Oh yeah and the text box is fucking tiny while the select weapon box is like half the HUD even though all you can do is click on it.
But fuck, the dialogue is good though.

OP is a turbo casual. His mom wipes his anus.

Play Fallout 1.

You're shit

isometric rpg are all shit

rpg is a shitty genre by default and the ones with less gameplay are basicalyy walking simulators

I noticed that maxing out combat speed in the options is mandatory for playing this. No human being could sit through the Modoc cow defense on default settings.

OP, go bait elsewhere.

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Oh yeah, the UI sucks big black cocks too.

Still too slow, and it would look like shit.

It's too fat and huge. Where's my small and pointy cursor?

so i've been told, but quality is really shitty, even compared to fallout 1.

I'm not talking about the pixels, this would be nice, but the engine was programmed by a retard. You can clearly see the screen panning is bugged with a variable speed, sometimes it jumps 1 pixel at a time, other 2 or more, and it alternates.

After a (short)while of this horrible camera panning I get seasick or my eyes burn or my head spins, I just can't stand it.

Too bad, because of this I was never able to force myself to play beyond the first guarded bridge.

There's no helping shit taste with you millenials.

your better than this Holla Forums

I don't really understand the kind of shit-eating role-play culture that allowed trash like this to be seen as not only acceptable but laudable in the late '90s, but it's refreshing to find another user that sees it for what it is for once OP.

The tone isn't even the issue. It would be much better if it wasn't built upon fundamentally broken mechanics.

I kek'd. You got too bold and revealed your hand there.

Although you're quite wrong about grinding OP. Fallout 2 is a pathetic joke of a challenge and requires next to nothing to beat. The problem is actually the fact that it doesn't properly reward character building at all due to the lack of mandatory game content and the fact that what is there is mostly piss easy.

So, where's the fucking porn, Holla Forums?
Should I start first?

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the enemy phase is skip-able and can also be put to fast mode

oh okay, you just have shit taste. move on

see

The problem with both original Fallout games (can't speak on the dumb FPSs as I haven't played them) is that they have all this optional side questing for character building which amount to fucking nothing in the end because there's nothing in the games that ever even asks you to have a particularly well-grinded character.

cool story bro
this is a smut thread now

This is why game developers still cling to RPG as a video game genre, even thought the definition is less than nebulous. Literal shit sells if it's "RPG".

why are people replying seriously to a painfully obvious bait thread
op's not even pretending

Because sometimes it's nice to critique video games instead of jerking each other off.

user, please. Any moron can spam smut smugly.

create a thread for it if that's your actual intention, by all means
it certainly wasn't OP's

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This thread's here already, might as well make some use of it. Some of the best discussions I've ever had on image boards stem from very negative OPs in fact.

apply yourself, the criticism is blatant bait and you know it
make a well-argumented post about the failings of fallout and I'll happily address it in kind

in threads that derail in productive directions, so far there's only been replies to op's shitpost or people trying to derail to porn
need a post that's either better bait or more interesting than op's shitpost but either way it's just more on the sailor's hook

Just play JRPGs instead, lore, music, asethetics, gameplay and everything else that makes a game actually good in WRPGs are never worth-while. It's just for the roleplaying elements at best which are piss-pointless when the story is complete shit.

You just don't have anything to counter OP's claim and pretend they aren't "well-argumented" enough for your refined self.

Might be a good time to accept that you have shit taste.

I just stopped playing after that, it's just bullshit

is not a solid case under any circumstance
and see these stellar supplements op provided for context and refuting all of the other people in the thread who got hooked into saying the exact same shit

Even though you are putting word's to OP's mouth, being "close to a tabletop game" is not an inherently good aspect in video game.

Doesn't matter though, FO's gameplay is complete garbage compared to a proper TTRPG.

'kay.

It is no exaggeration to say that the gameplay in Fallout1 and 2 is flawed on a fundamental level.

At their core, they are obsessed with tabletop dice rolls to a fault. Nearly everything that has a vague skill check has a randomized chance of success. This would be fine if it you couldn't completely fuck yourself over, but sadly the developers had some sort of sadistic thrill with enemy critical hits. The result is that you end up savescumming for damn near everything because you never know when you're going to run into a lucky enemy with a burst fire weapon or some shit that will get a critical hit on you and instantly end your game regardless of how much you've pumped into your hit points or how good the armor you're wearing is. This has a very detrimental effect on all the other skill check mechanics because there's seemingly no point in putting a ton of skill points into a lot of things for the mere chance of higher success when you're saving and reloading throughout the whole game anyway no matter what you do.

And of course all that dice roll crap aside, the games have fucking awful click-to-move controls and a terrible interface. Fallout 2 improved on the first's interface a bit to be fair, but it's still pretty damn embarrassing that they couldn't think up better, less tedious ways to go about picking up and using items or bartering.

Finally, both games are so ridiculously ridden with bugs and unfinished or unrefined material that they undermine huge aspects such as ammo choice considerations or what endings you're not going to try and play for because the damn ending scripts don't even work properly.

It fucking blows my mind how short on mainline content and buggy and unfinished both of these games are when they had the money to pay all these voice actors. I look at a ridiculously huge and satisfying RPG like Exile III released only a few years before them and made by a single guy in his garage and I'm just at a loss for words. What in the actual fuck happened to PC RPGs when developers switched to isometry in the late '90s?

JRPGs go for a story-telling expierence while WRPGs are desperate to be digital tabletop

Both should be primaly focused on good gameplay instead.

I see you believed everything you read on the internet, user. If you did your research you'd know that Fallout 3 is a completely diffirent kind of game from Fallout 1 and 2. But nobody that praises 1 or 2 mentions this. The story, setting, and as OP said himself dialogue and scripted encounters are pretty much why everyone who loves Fallout 1 and 2 hates Fallout 3 and 4 and Todd.

stopped reading there

personal taste and not an argument for fallout being a bad game
particularly the overcap stats and grinding are just because fallout 1+2 tried to stay close to their source

oh joy, that was "not well argumented"
here's what "well argumented" looks like

I disagree that savescumming is completely required or necessary but crits paired with rolls doesn't turn out well when enemies aren't directly tailored to the characters involved, unlike in a ttg you can't adjust or compensate
the UI is dated but comparable to contemporaries and I agree that click to move sucks dick but overall the game functions well enough for me to overlook a lot of minor ui complaints even today
bugs and unfinished shit do bother me and generally speaking I haven't felt playthroughs be influenced by bugs or stilted by content limitations too much, but it's still definitely something they should have ironed out before release- you can still see dead ends where they wanted to expand but lolbudgetcuts shafted them
VA is probably a huge part of it, there's a reason contemporaries avoided excess voice acting, even if Fallout the first has some excellent VA lying around
Exile III is a bit of an unfair comparison because there was expectations placed on fallout & 2 to keep up with graphics and interface fidelity as "cutting edge" but it did suffer for it- things like the Exile series can be "timeless" while Fallout has worn over time
with buggy shit, ui limitations, and shit rolls in mind Fallout & 2 are definitely flawed, but do you really believe it disqualifies it from being "good"? don't even need to argue on this point, just want to know where you're coming from

I didn't say anything about Fallout 3 or 4 in that post. I haven't played either of them and don't really have any desire to.

Dropped the game there.

I see you have never played TTRPG if you are arguing overcap stats and grinding are part of the "source", which I assume you mean are TTRPGs.

Fallout gameplay lacks any depth expected in a shooting based TTRPG. "Stand still and select a target" is completely unaccetable.

Yes. They're tedious and ultimately wholly unsatisfying games. When you're not fighting the obnoxious interface or dealing with random crits or repeating lockpicking or some other skill until it works or dealing with some shitty fucking stability bug that corrupts your save because you carried too many things in your inventory, what else are you doing? The games are completely devoid of satisfaction when it comes to character building because of fundamentally flawed stat mechanics and a severe lack of challenging mainline content. About the only thing I got out of either game was thinking up the fastest way to beat them.

It's really a shame because I wanted to like them, the setting has some good potential. But they are just terrible fucking games.

Aftermath! was grindy as shit considering how skills were raised and trying to get your strength/wit up is criminal and Rifts is worse in every way
I don't know why I included overcap in there though, but that complaint was stupid to begin with

You really shouldn't use garbage systems as examples when talking about good gameplay.

"no"
those are the two systems fallout took huge inspiration from, and I quote, "and grinding are just because fallout 1+2 tried to stay close to their source"
I'll happily admit overcap was flat out wrong, though

Should have stayed a GURPS game, might have been bearable. Propably abadonned that because they were fucking it up.

It's inferior to Baldurs Gate Siege of Dragonspear. Particularly the writing, the writing in Dragonspear is god tier.

Easily fixable by using the HD patch and putting -doublebuffer -no3d in launch options in a shortcut. Also add -scrolldist:0 to have more scrolling freedom (in arcanum, scrolling dist is scaled in pixels compared to original resolution, and also depends on your character's perception, so at base 8 PE at 1080p you won't be able to scroll without the launch command).

I also like how you judge the game entirely by its poor performance on modern systems, as if that's rare for old games. And yes, Arcanum still has lots of technical and gameplay issues, even with the unofficial patch, but it's not regarded a flawed diamond for nothing.

Are you the guy from the other thread who couldn't even get out of the opening temple? Did you get so ass blasted you had to make your own thread?

You had random encounter with crashed shuttle in first 15 min? Lucky bastard!

sounds like you just suck at the game, because I played through it three times and never grinded at all. Only did the quests.

He's going all out.
Baldurs Gate is one of the worst RPGs of its time, especially Baldurs Gate 2. They were the first SJW games.

Op is a fucking faggot, but let's face it, Fallout 2 is the maymaylands of the late 90's

I could go on.

It's time to face the facts, fallout was a one hit wonder series.

most of the pop culture refs are pretty much random encounters you cna go the entire game without finding

they aren't shoved in your face as heavily as memelands

also F1 had cut content and you're exaggerating the amount of cut content F2 had

I'm going to slap you.Just the companions that don't fucking kill me everytime they shoot something and the commands added are a big improvement.

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