Free-Marketism?

I have been exploring Free Market supporters, such as Buchanan and Friedman. I agree with some of what they say but I haven't made up my mind yet whether minimizing the state to barebones is wanted.

I believe that there should be different laws for White American citizens and different laws for others but I am not sure how to advocate this without scaring off the alt-lite.

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Refer to this video to learn why free markets will not work for us. youtube.com/watch?v=RgB8qjYI40g We need some sort of third position for white nations, but for now if just get rid of BS like affirmative action we can out compete others.

Thanks for sharing! I watched the whole thing.

I don't feel comfortable supporting "Communism for whites" I don't even feel comfortable declaring that I support National Socialism.

I would like to discuss these issues with co-workers and friends in real without scaring them off.
What we have in common is that we are Trump supporters.

Why post a cartoon written by leftist cucks who understand nothing of the world and use "racist" as an argument?

Free market is not free trade.

I have a much better version of that cartoon.

Friedman says the driving force behind human evolution is greed, and that it's a normal way to behave. That's a pretty disgusting stance to take tbh. But what else would you expect from a jew.

There should not be different laws for different races, because a nation should be mono-racial.

The free market is great for stamping out parasitism in the beginning, but it quickly generates so much wealth that soon every parasite on earth wants have a piece. The most prominent examples are of course rome and the US, both of which started out as fairly pure free market economies only to degenerate into kleptocracies where they money is shaved, clipped, forged and confiscated and everything that isn't nailed down is stolen.

The free markets create wealth and complacency, complacency and wealth attract parasites, parasites create poverty and vigilance, poverty and vigilance give rise to the free market. Hopefully we're soon at the end of the cycle. 50 million americans on foodstamps, give me a break.

That's not what he says at all. Greed is derogative term for self-interest, aka the desire to create a better for yourself and keep the fruits of your labor, which is the driving force behind most market activity. Working harder for yourself is completely normal and healthy. It's a mental illness to work harder for others who do not share your goals, your values, etc.

Except most of the labor is done by someone else. The person you inherited your wealth from.

The Free Market is designed to increase wealth to those in the very top. It's not a voluntary system.

ofcourse the work done builds off what was done before

also, all commies get the rope

That's probably true, but also irrelevant
If cast a hammerhead, add a shaft to it and sell it, the value that was added allows me to sell it for a profit, the guy who mined the iron ore was already compensated for his work as was the guy who cut down the tree, the guy who transported it to the saw mill, etc. etc. That's the beauty of the free market. Everybody gets paid, it's a voluntary system. You work, you get paid, you don't work you don't get paid very simple, but very complex at the same time.

What if your father is a miner and you don't have the wealth to be a decently paid employee? Is starvation and not being born wealthy also voluntary?

The job "miner" (hitting stuff with a pickaxe or whatever) does not even exist anymore and most mining jobs are paid rasonably well and are fairly comfy jobs. The sons of poor miners all got out of the mining business and we know they did, because there are a lot less people working in the mining industry today than there were a hundred years ago. Even 30 years ago there were like twice as many people employed in the mining sector as today. Upward mobility is not a big issue as long as your parents allowed to pass their wealth on to you.

Do you have one of those for communists?

Many experiment have been done, including in games of monopoly, where players with a slight financial advantage tend to always win the game/situation. It's hard to displace someone already in power through merely economic force.

I believe basic income should be given to White Americans, and the money should be taken from foreigners.

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take your bait and fuck off from whence you came

Yes that is what he says. He says that the sole thing driving humans is their self interest, which is obviously not true and you should know this if you frequent this board.

"The world runs on individuals pursuing their seperate interests." Funny how a jew is denying the importance of group interests.

It's not possible without vast white majority. Hell, a nation of high IQ whites could scrap government entirely if they were isolated enough. Do we want to even then, though?

A society that no longer struggles will weaken. I think we need goals, obstacles, and enemies to overcome. Fulfillment doesn't come from stagnation. We are not destined to settle for little. The universe is infinite, and our ambition is equal. We will need leaders for further conquest.

Norway is pretty homogeneous and they have one of the happiest and healthiest populations in the world. They are almost the opposite of Free-Marketism.

Read some Oswald Spengler already.

Did you mean to reply to me? Norway is very homogeneous, and white. Stands to reason they'd be happier than most.

Self-interest as an economic term (remember that friedman is first and foremost an economist) does not refer blind egotism, but to the pursuit of one's own interests which can include placing an emphasis on helping others and making connections with other like-minded people. Friedman does not deny the existance of groups or shared interests.

Absolutely true. Self interest doesn't mean you don't consider others, or don't form bonds. The well being of others can being in your self interest. You can't describe a human action that isn't driven by self interest. We are emotionally attached to this world, and it's that pursuit of good emotions, as well as avoidance of bad ones that drives us.

Norway is a small state with a rich oil economy. It's pretty hard to be miserable when every other person is a millionaire.

A minimal state or no state grants freedom of association, and freedom of association allows you to separate from people you don't want to associate with (i.e. non-whites). I could point you toward Austrian or Chicagoan economists but I suspect that this is the whole reason you are researching this topic.

If OP had actually lurked and was still interested in the topic, he would have gone straight to Hoppe.

I am also researching this topic, altough I'm at a very surface level.
In one way that idea of a free market derives a very darwinistic view, that is, you only "survive" if you put effort into living.
Also, a limited government (with the right to bear arms) is less susceptible to be used against the population (You can see that ZOG is targeting America the hardest, since its the only country with a high white population and gun ownership).
But this can only be acomplished with a homogenous white population, since any other race would devolve into endless selfish fighting (except maybe east asians).
I also don't believe, that in a free market enviornment, whites would produce degeneracy (at least on this rate). We have seen what white people are capable of when given freedom from ZOG (think 30's Germany, or Early America before the Fed).
I'd say, that the ideal society would be 99.9% white ethnostate where there is a free market present, altough not everything is privatized, and the borders are only open to genetically viable people (no jews, blacks, asians, abbos…).

Would appriciate if some anons could give me some books on the topic for a beginner.

Also forgive my grammar, its late in the night.

No economic system can work with a mixed population that has a government that treats them as equal.

That comic looks like something written by a leftist anti-white anti-christian kike (I'm not christian, that's just an assessment of OP's level of faggotry).

wealth accumulates in those who know how to grow it, and the free market is inherently voluntary


what happens with automation though? capitalists don't need workers to produce anymore, and they can hoard all the capital for themselves and most people would just get welfare

Nations are inherently anti-capitalist. Any concept of a nation is incompatible with free market purism. So, basically, you're making the argument for anarcho-capitalism. In which case, you should be against all government, including affirmative action. And in anarchy, a white government will create itself and tell you to fuck off if you don't like it. That's effectively what nations are, anyway. They arise out of anarchy.

Also this:

Automation cuts both ways. Having access to 3d printers that can print everything from microchips to car parts gives everyone a level of autonomy that is higher than that of any other person in history and i am absolutely certain that most reasonable people would not "hoard" things that cost them practically nothing to produce.
If BMW could sell their cars for $100 and make $99 profit, they'd do it and they'd give away sample cars to get the word of mouth going. People have been dreaming about full automation for centuries and now that it is here they're getting nostalgic about menial labor!?

Only if you subscribe to the marxist definition of capitalism, because most european nations have a long history of free markets (literally markets where the level of taxation is zero)

That' why it's best to talk about the Free Market.

Capitalism is a discourse created by Karl Marx.

Homogeneous White societies don't need much in the way of government or regulation. just like they didn't need to lock their doors.


The law for others is deportation. All non-Whites must go back. Segregation and separate but equal do not work and will not last.


Fuck the alt-lite. You don't appeal to people by cucking about and catering to their worries. You draw a line in the sand and force them to choose a side. The feral niggers will force them to choose ours side. The few that don't were never going to be our allies anyway. And traitors get the noose.

This. Let them all go to Liberia with their pet niggers that are going to be so 'wonderful' for their culture and economy. Let them live with the niggers and experience all their 'prosperity'. Time to get the fucking kike boot off the white man and let him go form his own nation without any kikes or mudshits. Too, too scary, right? They know. Every person knows that white men working together racially is scary shit. It's the last thing they ever, ever, ever want to happen. Every mud-blood and kike goes into kvetching connipshits over the idea of being stuck outside of white countries with all their niggers, while whites start inventing force fields and nuclear bomb and in general create a great cultural environment to promote technological and artistic advancement.

So, all the "based" free market people can go ahead and move to some anarchist non-white country and fuck off whites, because white countries don't owe your bleeding heart for mudbloods, jack shit. And your 'sympathy' only undermines the national identity when you start saying we should be destroying ourselves for the sake of a bunch of niggers.

Go fuck off and create a 'free market' economy in some niggerland if you're so confident a white nation keeping out non-whites is too 'socialist' for you.

Yes and no, because capitalism, in the form of (((highly concentrated, politically influential capital))), does exist after all. I tend to believe that it's actually a triangle; the Free Market is opposed to socialism AS WELL AS to(hyper-)capitalism.

Niggers are not even capable of sustaining free markets. The free market requires responsibility, ability, empathy, respect, etc. it's not an accident that it arose in western europe, instead of western africa, because there people live from day to day, without any regard for anything but the most immediate future and if by a miracle someone stumples upon a little bit of wealth, he is expected to buy everyone in his extended family gifts. Simple concepts like investing or saving are completely foreign to africans. The free market is the white man's economic system whereas muh gibs parasitism is the economic system of the lower races.

I shouldn't have said that the free market is an economic system. A system is something elaborate that was cooked up somewhere and is enforced somehow, but the free recreates itself whereever there are voluntary exchanges. It comes naturally to most people.

Go talk to the jews, you'd love what they have to say.

There has never been a free market society. Mercantalism was not a free market. Modern capitalism was never a free market.

The free market is an ideology created by Jews to further concentrate their wealth and prestige.
John Adams in the Wealth of Nations warned about pitfalls of capitalism .

Is capitalism better than feudalism? Obviously. But it leads to wealth concentration, especially among Jews, who have no empathy for the white man.

This.

Even mercantilist britain was inwardly a free market economy (certainly by today's standards) and quickly abandoned mercantilism in favor of it. To say that there's never been free market society is profoundly ignorant, it's almost like leftypol claiming that there's never been a socialist society. Even in today's mixed economies there are massive free market segments like yard sales, the black market, the crypto economy, etc. You can't extinguish the free market and the mark of the beast will fail like every other socialist experiment.

Read Hans-Hermann Hoppe's work for the closest thing to a workable hardline free-market ideology. Other contemporary libertarians are mostly worthless–the Austrian economists are fine as background but shouldn't be taken as gospel, (((Rothbard))) is a mix of decent stuff and Jewish poison (really, this applies to most libertarians).

A truly free market is resistant to parasites. What we have had in the USA for nearly the last hundred years is corporatism, crony capitalism, Jewish tricks, whatever you want to call it. When the government deregulates a market, the market regulates itself and resists parasites.


So eradicate the parasites?


I thought the idea was to get rid of the foreigners?


Their happiness is a result of homogeneity and oil, not their Scandinavian welfare state. They are also pretty degenerate, with one night stands being the national pass time.


This, Hoppe is the most Holla Forums compatible libertarian I've ever heard.


This is where Hoppe comes in. You either have a monarchy or you have anarchy. With anarchy, you can effectively establish a white ethno-state and do whatever the fuck you want.


I have observed two things.


I think you are conflating the terms "nation" and "state".
In political theory, a state is a public government. You can have a nation without a state.


Anarchy is not the absence of a nation, it is the absence of a state. See my definition above. You and everyone else who hasn't heard of him, should seriously go look up Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Basically he advocates creating homogenous communities for like groups to keep to themselves and govern the group however they see fit (collectively), and throwing pinkos out of helicopters.


I've heard that the USA around the 1870s was pretty much a free market, with almost no taxation or economic regulation. Haven't seen any evidence of this though. Also this

I think you're right on. National Socialist Germany allowed its people a free market, because Hitler knew the principle of self ownership, and the ablity to profit off your own labor, was necessary for a man to have motivation.

Just read "Basic Economics". Shit turned me ancap (though, Sowell certainly isn't) until I realized a free market isn't the end goal, and I understood the importance of racialism. A free market is a powerful thing, but it should not be shared with your competitors. Some might argue that makes it not free (true enough), but anyone who would invite your competitors into your market is a fucking traitor, anyway. Your allegiance is to the betterment of your own people, not the principle of freedom.

Agreed. When your people better, you better.
Anarcho-capitalism and free market ideologues endanger white people.

Read "Web of Debt, by Ellen Brown"
In a perfect market, every profit is competed away and there's no growth.
Also, the perfect free market doesn't exist, it's as much as an utopian dream as communist economics.

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This, free market vs. socialism/redistribution is a red herring to the role of the monetary system which is the real issue. Central banks essentially create a black hole of debt at the core of the economy which siphons up resources, time, energy, wealth, etc. to (((them))). This system needs to be destroyed, and as far as alternatives are concerned as long as there is nationalized interest-free banking/currency a free market system is superior in that context. Taxes in the Third Reich were actually a third of what they are in developed western Euro economies, and it was comparatively deregulated except in key industries. A mixed market economy with nationalized banking, military, education, and infrastructure with low taxes and little regulation in all other industries is ideal.

That was nothing anywhere near a free market. You did, however, define the critical difference between this and socialism: Respect for private property. It was necessary for the NSDAP to purge the Strasserites for their system to succeed in any capacity. Putting the focus on stealing from the wealthy will only cause endless cannibalism.


Funny, that sounds a lot like what the Fed does.

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You say that as if the debt owed isn't higher than the amount loaned.

I hope you realize this applies on a universal scale as well.

"Do not ask whether or not someone should have or have not. Instead, Germany, give to yourselves."

And every selfish and greedy S.O.B. should know, that it is a choice to give and that people who give for the benefit of the folk are better people than them and that's the opinion of everyone in the folk. And if they eye another nation to get their greedy satisfaction, they are a traitor.

That means you fight over it. Don't be a pussy. If you died in battle, respectably and not in vain, then what more can you ask? You made sure the best survived by giving the world your best.

I'm just trying to point out the logical inconsistency of believing that segregation within a country doesn't work but segregation of nations does. For some reason people seem to be squeamish about the fact that elimination of nonwhites is not only a valid goal but a necessary one.

Ok so I basically have been working on my own political theory for a while now. I call it Nationalist Anarcho-capital Military Socialism. Basically there would be the "inner state," this would include all "citizens" (could be white Europeans, Aryans, ect.) And an "outer state" military industrial complex.

The inner state would have no taxes, no laws outside of local government, no federal anything of any kind. There would also be NO social saftey nets.

The outer state, would function as a military hierarchy, and the soul source of welfare. You are poor, down on your luck, or basically a loser? You join the military. The military will be funded by a 5% import on foreign imports,(this can be bypassed as inter state citizens are immune to outerstate laws) and wealth gained from selling military services.
The outerstate will also go about performing nationalism building events for the enjoyment of innerstate citizens, and orchestrating infrastructure planning in approved areas. There would also be a strong eugenics system in place.

Neither state can influence the other.
The outerstate military may not occupy none approved areas.

Private militaries/militias are to be encouraged, amd the right to weapons of all kinds, types, and functions is to not be infringed.

Any holdout lolbergs from Ron Paul era need to know something. There is a 99% chance you aren't libertarian and more of a Paleocon, like Ron Paul himself. Paleocons aren't lolbergs, stop calling yourself that.

Pretty much. Libertarianism is actually a left-wing ideology except in the United States/Canada.

American Libertarians like the (((Koch Brothers))) are just Paleoconservatives with a hardon for Ayn Rand and Friedman. They fund shilling institute like the Kato Institute and Reason Magazine.
At the end they are paleoconservatives and not actually libertarians.

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Ron Paul is an ancap, nigger. Literally everyone he associates with is an ancap, and he has never said anything against anarchy. Go back to Holla Forums

Being against Christianity is being against white culture. Fuck your worship of the (((free market))).

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gonna shove this in the faces of some of my normie friends for the lulz

The system doesn't matter, if good people are in charge the system will be good. The problem is all the power is on the hands of idiots jealous of anyone below them with talent. Germany thrived because they gave people with talent a chance to move up.
Even the very best system with bad people will always fail. The worst system with the best people will always thrive.
A good leader will value above all unabashed honesty, fairness and trust and will teach self reliance first.