Why is There a Workers' Esperanto Movement?

Lojban is the only worthwhile constructed language.
The only point that Esperanto has in its favour is that it is easy for indo-european speakers to learn.

Never even heard of loljoban

I said it once and i will say again, Esperanto as a language sacrificed beauty and poetic potential for the ease of learning .

Well it's an international auxiliary language designed for international communication. It doesn't need to be pretty, it just has to be learned easily.

Will you please fuck off Roger Scrotum?

Mandarin is dominant, but only in parts that speak that, and fuck dealing with the chinese.

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to much work for such little gain.

just fucking learn english and we'll bastardize it until it becomes some other language within 300 years.

fuck it.

You do know that indo-european languages are the most widespread right?

Do you know Esperanto?

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The splitting off and development of loads of different languages happened under conditions of geographic isolation. Nowadays, with the internet, it's very likely that different dialects of English that may develop if everyone adopts it will remain mutually intelligible as people who are widely dispersed all over the world continue to communicate with each other in English using telecom technology, something that wasn't really around during the development of, say, the Romance languages.

There are about ~3 billion people that speak an indo-european language.
The total population of earth is about ~7.5 billion.
As such, indo-european language speakers only make up ~40% of the human population.

Esperanto is not much of an international language if it is only easy for ~40% of people to learn.
Given that the only positive Esperanto has is how easy to learn it is, that seems to be a fatal flaw.

Lojban was made for computers to parse, it's not optimal for human use. There are no couples who make love in Lojban.

Have you ever read Esperanto poetry? It's pretty af

It's easy to learn for everyone. Even the Chinese.

It's a miracle of the universe.

Being easily computer parsable is a feature of Lojban.

It is not the reason for its existence.

I disagree.

Not only does Lojban sound far better then any 'natural' language.
But, getting rid of ambiguity in language is exactly the linguistical direction that we should be pursuing.

Not at all.
Esperanto is built from an indo-european language base.

It is quite hard for anyone who is not a native indo-european language speaker to learn.

There are many reasons that the Chinese government are pushing Esperanto; All of them are down to empire building.

Esperanto was created on the premise that most of the world would continue to speak the languages of the European colonial powers. But this is as outdated as Esperanto itself.

The only place where indo-europeans have an advantage is learning words.

Given how important vocabulary is.
That is quite the advantage.

That fact that indo-european speakers have any advantage just shows how unfit for purpose Esperanto is.

This is a technocratic-utilitarian mentality, how are we to do poetry for example when poetry very relies on this ambiguity in language. Why not celebrate ambiguity in language? Are you trying to get direct access to the Lacanian Real?

Sorry technocrat, i'm for "useless" things, humans are not robots but are of unique finite existence. I still don't get how Technocracy is leftist in any way.

Exactly.
However given that Technocracy is explicitly utilitarian, you should not have to add '-utilitarian' to it; Even as a point of emphasis.

You can be ambiguous in Lojban.
The thing is that you just have to signal that you are being so.

Ambiguity is not a positive feature of language.

That is a failing that we should be attempting to correct.

No person is any more unique then an individual ant or bacterium.

That is a rather empty assumption, given how little we know (or are able to know) of the situation we exist in.

It is not.
Technocracy is explicitly Totalitarian and anti-democratic.

But, given the fact we are of shared opposition to capitalism and many elements of fascism.
Technocracy has been welcome here from the start.

Okay then what do you think about Leibniz's idea of Characteristica universalis?

I like how you worded that you were opposed to "many elements" of fascism implying that you are not opposed to fascism as a whole. Are you anti-capitalist like how Fascists are "opposed" to capitalism because Fascists oppose certain sections of Finance capital ("jewish" bankers)?

or perhaps like some claim that Mussolini was opposed to Fascist racialism of the Nazis

Also

How sad

I have not come across the term before.

Well that is quite correct.
I'm not 100% opposed to all elements of Fascism.

I'm anti-capitalist in the sense that capitalism is a vile system that is both destroying the planet and causing undue suffering.

He was.
Before the Anschluss.
Mussolini made a number of remarks regarding the absurdity of Nazi racialism.

The official (pre Anschluss) position of Fascist Italy was to unite all people within the territory claimed by Italy under the Fascist State.
Hence why colonial Libya was made into a state of Italy proper.

I encourage you to read more Mussolini.
Totalitarianism is certainly quite real.

Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato

The only 'sad' thing here is that we are biological.

The real tragedy is that you are.

No need to be mean friend :^)

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Esperanto is like a Sonic OC, cringe inducing, bland, unoriginal and acomplishes nothing beside making autists happy

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