Should all drugs be legal?

Yes, people should be able to alter their consciousness, or not do so, if it pleases them. Legalization also defunds organized crime.

Why are there people in this thread saying certain drugs should be illegal? I thought it was a no brainer because as this user says:

Why would even a socialist government of the working class feel the need to limit what a person can and can't do to their own bodies? There would be less drug abuse in a socialist state anyway, and possibly even less safe and recreational drug use.

If something like meth was easily accessible and people had a lot of leisure time I could see that going horribly.
Production and distribution penalized/denied resources in socialism, possession not so much.
When all onerous work has been abolished and human creativity flourishes and creates super abundance (realistic communism), people should be allowed to do whatever they want, largely.

You don't "own" your body. You ARE your body.

Stop it with your capitalist logic, puke

Those addiction models are old and shit.
Happy rats choose not to take stimulants.

haha no

Fuck off, Ice is fucking awesome you fascist.

how? fucking shit tier drug

It feels fucking great m8, you should try it.

They should all be legal and all free, with special medical emphasis on helping addicts. It not my revolution if i cant smoke shit tons of weed

Only for freemarketniggers.

Yes, definitely.
Outlawing shit always makes this type of thing worse. Can't have a black market fucking with my communism

of course, i'm not some Holla Forums tier retard

no, they should be mandatory

Gee, I'm sorry you day not approve of my sentence structure. Feel free to read it as: "Their bodies".

All drugs are is medicine.
Medicine for different ailments. For the diseases of boredom, loneliness, emotion pain, physical pain, restricted intellectual freedom, and the disease of anxiety and feeling trapped.

Any person free from these diseases are At Ease and won't be using the drugs.

And so drug use statistics act as a litmus test for social problems. People use them to suppress the symptoms of their aliments. So you know where to commit socially strengthening efforts based on what drug is currently pushing that issue under the rug.

Rats kept in a cage by themselves will choose and abuse morphine until it kills them. Rats living in a social utopia prefer plain water instead because the morphine doesn't provide any benefits to their good lives.

So governmental enterprise should be focusing of resolving the root causes of the social issues that generate the pains that make drugs desirable instead wasting them on making the drugs illegal.
The root causes?… Capitalism! :P

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A school field trip to the local psychedelic sanctuary retreat, where each student gets a heroic dose of mushrooms/LSD/DMT and is provided with a safe set and setting to explore their inner worlds so they can overcome the egoic and emotional blockages that maintain their dysfunction ideologies.

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absolutely

we need REAL escapism from this horrifying capitalist reality we live in

As someone who has tested a little bit of it all, "Drugs" is a inaccurate word.
LSD and Cocaine should not be describable by the same word.
LSD is good.
Cocaine is not.
If they should be legal or not i cannot say, except LSD should definitely be.

My theory behind that statement goes something like:

Humans evolved a particular mental framework that converts certain upbringings into certain belief and behaviour structures.
These structures have defence mechanism to maintain them. One of them is egoism, the belief of oneself as a good individuated being. When the ego is challenged, rationality is repressed and emotional reactivity suppresses/negates the challenge so the person can maintain their belief that they are a good individual in spite of evidence.
This is one of the many major factors behind the convergence of crisis that human civilisation is going through: climate change, environmental toxification, growing inequality, materialist consumerism, divisive ideology etc.

What psychedelics can do is temporarily free the individual from certain mental habits.
A person can explore their own history and their beliefs without it triggering their reactive defensive emotions.
This is a HUGELY powerful tool for healing, because sooo much harm is caused and continued due to people repeating dysfunctional beliefs and behaviours because they can't handle facing up to their own mental baggage, it's easier to suffer through the problems until they commit murder or get depressed.

Ideology can finally be seen for what it is: an illusion that projects a narrow order onto an ever-changing complex and chaotic reality. Finally one can see why repeating the same ol' mistakes is only leading to further frustration. "More police, More guns, higher taxes, taller walls!" these are seen for the symptom repression, the band-aid cover-ups for deeper personal, social, cultural and natural disharmonies.

Drugs can be the tool we need to realign civilisation with the laws of nature, and finally create something sustainable, The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible.

If you use drugs, there's something wrong with you. Like you can't get on time with your work, or you lack human fellowship. Drugs are a side effect of that. Fix your problem first and then you'll no longer need drugs.
Yes I think drugs should be illegal because they're useless in a perfect world. I guarantee you nobody would even think about them were they not in some sort of double mill.

Yes. Just put warning labels on the bottles like you would with any other hazardous chemical.

Are you one of those people who think anyone who does drugs *must* be a junkie with no control of his life? Hate to break it to you but people have been doing drugs since the beginning of history.

So when are we making alcohol, coffee and daytime TV illegal?

Utter retardation, if any Government wanted it as a priority, they could stop all illegal drug consumption. For fucks sake the US could stop it in a week if they used their technology and resources.

They should be allowed yeah.

It's underwhelming af

Yes, but the government should sell them to guarantee pureness and offer free tests for any drugs you get your hands on to see if its pure. At the same time, campaigns have to be made to show the dangers of them similar to what we do with smoking, and addiction should be treated like a disease which has to be cured in clinics.

So they cant.

Yes because I have to put up with a whole lot of bullshit to get the stuff I like. Still havnt found a pcp dealer.

They should all be illegal, unless you're a degenerate who likes the idea of destroying western morals and traditional society.

I am.

What if I enjoy drugs and want to make/grow them for my own enjoyment?

They should be "legal," but the dealer/addict relationship establishes hierarchy and exploitation. Society must closely manage addiction as a health problem, and destroy black market profits by providing dangerous drugs for free at clinics.

What about the healthcare offered at said clinics? It should be free as well, or otherwise you just have an exploitative relationship with hidden motives. Addictive substances should never be made available for free while healthcare in the United States remains private, or else we'll have a situation similar to the prison industry. Frankly, even if the government subsidized all drug rehabilitation clinics, that seems like an incentive to have as many patients as possible. It seems like as long as there exists profit motive coexisting with addictive substances, there isn't any incentive to actually treat addiction long-term. Perhaps I'm being too cynical.

duh

All but weed I hate stoners.

Who cares when krokodil and jenkem are both legal?

As someone who uses lots of different drugs I feel like I have a bit of authority on this issue. First of all they should of course not be illegal. A child can understand that it is absurd to put people in jail for ingesting chemicals or plants voluntarily.

The question is whether it should be legal, as in that it is regulated by some body, so as to insure that the product is what is advertised, and then sold in pharmacies or similar places. Or, if it should be decriminalized, but not legal to sell officially. It is between uninterrupted street trade or regulated trade as with alcohol.

Even though I am quite libertarian I would very much like there to be some body to quality control the product. This, as well as some form of aid to addicts could easily be funded with mild taxes on the drugs.

I don't really see any huge problems with this model

"The Island" by Aldous Huxley is about a utopian society island. In it all 15 year olds are expected to take some form of shrooms as a coming of age ritual, just after climbing up a crazy mountain wall.

It's an incredibly good either way

Absolutely not.

Soo, muslims are the happiest? No but seriously it's a fascinating idea. I know that I use drugs to escape from my somewhat mediocre life of general NEETness, little meaningful friendships and no gf.

But even if I had those things and a generally meaningful life, I still think I would be snorting oxycodone on my free days

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A school field trip to the local psychedelic sanctuary retreat, where each student gets a heroic dose of mushrooms/LSD/DMT and is provided with a safe set and setting to explore their inner worlds so they can overcome the egoic and emotional blockages that maintain their dysfunction ideologies.
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the ones you want wont be mandatory, itll be ssris

Coffee, tobacco, and alcohol, sure.

Today's headlines: Man who has spent whole life as slave reckons he wouldn't feel any different if he stopped being a slave.

That is a funny line. It is fair to assume that I would be bit of a slave. But I really don't think so. I'm 21, I have only worked part time for four months in my life as well as 9 months under conscription.

I live in a welfare state. My parents are of an academic/bureaucratic class. I study philosophy and get paid by the government to do so. I live in a centrally located apartment for a heavily subsidized prize as it is owned by my grandparents

I am a slave, but not because of direct material conditions. If I am in a cage it's in a personal and psychological one. I have little to pursue stressful activities such as socializing. I am crumbling under the pressure of the expectations from my family and from my community in general, therefore I barely ever leave my house.

I guess my interest in the cause of socialism is because I have little meaningful things in my current life. So political activism is simultaneously a way for me to externalize my problems at interacting with the world and also a way for me to feel like I am somehow an altruistic person.

Man I'm pretty fucked up, I guess I'm bit of a fucking slave. Just give me the fucking needle :(

As someone who does LSD and smokes at least three times a week, this is a no brainer.

I don't mind as long as the age of consent law no longer exists. As long as I have my lolis, I don't care what happens with the rest of the world.

No, not all of them. All the natural ones at least with the exception of some like devils breath for obvious reasons. A few chemical ones probably LSD, maybe MDMA. No roofies or bath salts or krokadil.

So many of you idiots sound like lolberts with your " muh freedum"

They already use their technology and resources. The US pretty much funds the Columbian military.

Where has it got them? Fucking nowhere. George Bush used to do coke for christs sakes

Many human tribes through out history literally did do mushrooms/cactus/Ayahuasca as a coming of age ritual.

It works.

One overcomes the selfishness of the teens years and sees themselves as part of the whole, and from then on is a member of the village in service to all of it and nature. No greedy Porkies on The Island

Maybe this is my warped perspective as an American, but to me the harm done by banning even hard drugs seems to massively exceed that created by allowing their use.

Drugs fuck people up, but at least if they're legal people can know what they're getting. Warn people like we do with tobacco, sure, but don't ban outright - it just seems to lead to more people destroying their lives trying to get their fix.

No
I would use them til I died
Keep them out of my reach

For practical and ceremonial/religious purposes, not because they're idle rich bohemians that need something to fill the void inside

In theoretical full communism, wouldn't drugs and drug addiction drastically degrade the democratic process? Especially under a decentralized model, where individual determination becomes key to human productivity.

Drugs like heroin are really, really addictive. We can't underestimate to what extent it might ravage the population if there was no means of regulating its use. In the case of extremely addictive drugs which might violate personal will and therefore undermine individual determinism and democracy, I would advocate for a full scale ban enforced by the people's militia.

there are more people addicted to videogames and the internet than to heroin in the united states. A great many youth sit all day and night in front of computer or tv screens.

surely that is harmful to individual determination and productivity, no?

If heroin was made legal would you do it? Probably not, so why do you assume most other people would?

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Yes, because much of the incentive to do them in the first place comes from their illegality.

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Why would the teenager do something clearly dangerous and harmful like heroin in the first place? Isn't it much more likely they smoke weed? (also illegal).

fuck off faggot. my body.

That was soley to stop Communist rebels, you think the Government is actively trying to stop the majority of drugs being imported?

we need to provide good treatment for addictions and discourage it, but that's really the only business we should have in this. it's ultimately the individual's choice and trying to meddle in it is gonna be a shitshow anyway

We shouldn't prosecute those using but large scale suppliers of hard drugs,sure.

porky has used this stuff to enslave people for years and its obvious however. Just look at the opium wars.

i dunno. i'm kind of physically addicted to opiates so it's a very enigmatic question for me. In a perfect full communist world there would be no drugs to get addicted on. Your own work would make you high. But in a capitalist society drugs should be completely legal as it keeps the worker sedated and comftrouble with the utter hell that is alienation from labor

I care more about the mode of production of drugs than the drugs themselves tbh.
Death to capitalists cartels.

Nigga what..

in a capitalist society drugs should be legal, strictly from a "what's best for humanity" point of view. i know it sounds fucked up but it's a band-aid

Depends. In terms of the person being found with a certain type of drug, or driving under the influence, then yes, that's a risky move.

But I believe the person should be rehabilitated rather than punished tbh

it shouldn't only be legal, it should be mandatory