The only thing we can do to let earth survive is making civilization collapse

Guerilla Gardening?

It's so precious when greenies and primitivists act like there's still any hope of saving the Earth. Read Desert tbh

Frankly the climate is so screwed up already that technology is our best hope at this point of doing anything about it.

Read a bookchin fag

stop triggering me with hippies REEEEEEEEEEEEE

they plant vegetables, then what? That's not what Kropotkin meant with urban farms. Its so nonsensical, i hate hippies!

Let's not.

Tbh The planet is allreayd so fucked that space is the only option with the decay of the biosphere.

If we dont go space colonisation within the next 200 years then end of life on the planet and the extinction of humanity is absolute.

Have any lads here read Kaczynski his new book yet? Its grim as fuck but also kidna pleasant with him pointing out that a state is just controlled anarchy and that society is impossible to plan out and controle according to the ideas of most policy's.

Also love the whole addapt to your enviorment and controle yourself attitude instead of the controle your enviorment and addept to yourself (making the youself based on the conditions you create) thing we have now.

If you're going to destroy civilization, don't do it because you're spooked

Have fun while doing it

the earth can't die. species can die, but the earth can't.

The earth is a worthy sacrifice on the road of humanities rise to the stars and greatness, it is not like there are not many other places we can go once this planet is a dead rock.

do you have a digital version of his book?

spooky tbh

so why havent you fucking killed yourself yet hippie, since our only purpose is plastic?

If you dont literally suck a tailpipe you are a hypocrite, unless you are some kind of supremacist.

Have you ever been camping? How about a 3 week biwak during permafrost?

anyone that wants to be a hunter gatherer is fucking delusional, I like nature but she is a harsh mistress even with solid gear

let me guesss you are probably anti-nukey too, nothing like low information greenies a la Stein

post anarcho-primadonna smiley meems they are hard to find

The means of production are destroying the Earth and therefore the means of production themselves. Ie. The current mode of production is suicidal

Could you kindly fuck off back to facebook?

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You fuck off too.

Civilisation =/= High-tech, fossil fuel dependent, modern, western, materialist-consumerism.

Civilisation can co-exist with non-human Nature on Earth, and do can so in a happy, healthy, harmonious and sustainable way.

All that is required is a complete change in it's entire being.
That starts with a redefinition of Self and Other into The Whole.
Humans and Civilisation are not detached from Earth, they are an organelle in the Earth organism.
And as such must align harmoniously with the other systems that make the Whole system function properly.
No more fossil fuels, all production must be matched 1 to 1 with recycling (composting etc), all systems closed-loop, and an ever-present evolutionary pressure to ensure adaptation to change, both economically (functional politics) and ideologically (psychedelic drugs).

What that looks like practically is the complete collapse of modern industrialism, yes, but replaced with a almost fully plant-based sustainable production system.
Feed soil with outputted wastes (manure and compost); grow crops for food, fuel, fibre and medicine (organic permaculture); handycraft these into meals, transport, clothes, medicines, tools, etc.; wastes go into the ground again to be fully recycled. Houses made from compacted dirt and from cob. Wood fired furnaces for any metal or glass… 10 billion people can be supported this way easy if this vision is agreed upon and enacted.

The alternative way of existing has always been there.

A way of life without killing the rest of life on earth but supporting it, where one's work is their joy, where their food is their medicine, with no negative externalities… Is a more beautiful our hearts know is possible.

You are hyper delusional

Offcourse, the whole if only we could stop fighting and LISTING TO ME thing.

Do you know what civilisation is? Society + Economy wich can only begin at at agricultural stage of man and mutates a habitat towards a human habitat destroying and domesticating the local habitat for own utilisation.

Nature itself is allready the chaos of conflicting interests, it only looks balanced as the conflict of interets along the life forms is stable by means of evolution. Survival of the fittest still applies and when we have a moment of imbalance there will be an extinction from that species wich cant suvive and addapt and an evolution (addaption) of another to get back in balance of the survival in the conflict of interests.

Pure Delusion, have you considert how mutch of an economic model we need to even produce green energy!? Only with 21st century tech its possible and its extremely poluting and a genocide of complete habitats to produce battery's and electronics needed for green energy! Also wiring, transport and all the extras you need to make electic tech. You try to make a copper wire of 1,5mm thick and coat it with rubber (Good proccessed rubber needs chemicals) to make good and long wiring.

How to transport, destribute, maintain quallity, and stock up? All our methods of food production are based on artificial means by greenhouses (Wich need Industrial quallity glass wich only exists for 100 years), pesticide, artificial fertilizer (Chems), preservation by air conditioned tech (Only recent invention) and all sutch.

Tbh you are extremly naive on how current technology functions and how our living standart in the west are based on the tech we have today.

Yeah maybe in some small country while the giant of china produces everything for you while raping its own enviorment to hell.

does standing near a tree make me a primitivist?

This. We've already caused irreversible damage, our only hope for survival is a complete break with "nature" through technology.

Could you provide a link, fam?

PDF
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-desert

Book
littleblackcart.com/books/green-anarchist/desert/

Interesting comments.
theanvilreview.org/print/unimaginable-weirdness-comments-on-some-comments-on-desert/

But technology is not some kind of god in a lab coat which gives you stuff for free, it has its limits and costs. I don't understand how this "break" could work out, no matter how advanced our technology is, we are still stuck on a planet with finite matter, we need air, food, water etc… Why not trying to reconcile nature and technology on a local scale? We could try to create green socialist communes, where production is democratically planned and based on use instead of profit.

Do you take take a shit on the floor of your home and not clean it? So don't do it on you fucking planet

I agree with most of your reaction.

Maybe I didn't communicate the primary idea: The future is low-tech.
No plastic, no electricity. Everything made from plants, no cars, maybe sailing ships.
Supply chains only as long as between two cities, no further.
The quality of life would decrease due to lower tech, but increase due to being more pro-life pro-human: strong community, healthy meals, healthy environment etc.

To be in harmony with nature doesn't mean to be static or stable, it means to move with it, to adapt constantly so that the thing that is stable is civilisations existence.

The lifestyle of the west is unsustainable, so I was trying to present a future alternative.
You seem to be agreeing that the current situation is fucked and unmaintainable, that civilisation must be constantly evolving to survive, and that most technology will disappear due to simply economics and resource constraints, yes?

The difficulty with creating this more beautiful world is the violent competition from the nations that dogmatically cling to high-tech industrialism, using their remaining energy reserves to murder all us in our sustainable hippie communes for not paying taxes :(

If a desert island is no tragedy, why is a deserted universe?

Actually that sounds ultra comfy, would join!

why did this get spoilered

it wasn't nsfw

I beleave the system will collapse on itself by the internal contradictions of capitalism and the conflict of interests in society with their constant assertion to obtaining power. Even if we get an one world goverment, it still will have conflicts wich will give its demise. But we are now in the end stages of civilisation where our influence is allready to drastic to the point that we will greatly change the the nature and bioshere of the whole planet that will result into mass extinctions, food wars and all the general stuff presented in that book called Desert. The faster the techo industrial system is destroyed the better it is for us. So insurrection to hurt it where it hurts is something i support.

Earth is only important to me for as long as Humans need it.

If we get the chance to terraform planets or construct artificial habitats for ourselves Earth can go wither into a barren rock for all I care after that.

Hell we might end up changing as a species thanks to SCIENCE and obsoleting environmental concerns.

even spookier

I would like somebody to prove for a fact that the correlation between pollution and global temp IS causation. I'm not talking about proving correlation, I'm talking about proving causation. That means graphs that show temperature change aren't valid because they only show a correlation.
Temperature has changed more drastically in the past.

I think the potential problem isn't how much temperatures are changing, but how quickly

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I know, but I'm just talking about proving that climate change is caused primarily by people. I believe it is happening, but I don't think the primary contributor is people. "Climate Change" science is very unscientific, they throw out the rule of correlation =/= causation, they never prove that definitely people are doing it. Honestly I believe the big (nosed) porky is just using climate change shit to unnecessarily steal from smaller porkies.

PEAK OIL.

Renewable energies can not replace the shear magnitude of solar energy captured and stored underground over millions of years as fossil fuels.

SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS.
It takes energy to concentrate energy into a useful form. Energy is the primary economic unit.

We're never going to leave earth because THERE IS NO LONGER ENOUGH CONCENTRATED ENERGY TO DO SO.

hippie communes are humanity's future.

Collapse now and avoid the rush.

You're massively underestimating the amount of energy delivered by the sun, directly, and into the atmosphere.

Solar irradiance is what makes life possible because it's the ultimate free lunch.

Yes, but it is diffuse free energy.
It's good for heating your home or your water, or for distilling brandy, but it is not concentrated enough to serve the energy needs of high-tech industrial nations.
To concentrate it such that you can run a car, or smelt steel or silicon chips would bankrupt you if you couldn't use the already concentrated energy of fossil fuels.

No, that guarantees that Earth dies when the Sun dies.

It's all bullshit. It's commodification yet the lefties are in complete denial.

Nobody who uses the phrase "fossil fuel" can claim that he argues from science.

I cant deal with all these arguments.

I guess im going to have to console myself with the fact that a larping city nigger like you would die if he had to live in the wild

Hi Holla Forums.

You realize, all of science is based on two events correlating repeatedly? CO2 traps energy at a very specific wavelength - most of the data we have has the energy being trapped exactly the way CO2 would be trapping it. Humans emit more CO2 than well… anything else.

grist.org/series/skeptics/

Mother of nature should destroy earth when it is time, not the humans itself.