What are your genuine thoughts on the soviet union

what are your genuine thoughts on the soviet union

relatively ok, wouldn't want it back though
6/10

red fascism

Any chance of it actually achieving socialism died somewhere between Lenin's death and the first few years of Stalin's rule. After that, the only thing it was good for was being a bank and arms dealer to fund/supply more worthwhile revolutions. Even then it was incredibly flawed considering it would usually only support parties, and only parties that fell in line ideologically with Marxism-Leninism (whatever that meant to the USSR leadership at the time) at that. This is despite the fact that ML often was like a square peg in a round hole given the society it was trying to work out of.

dustbin of history

Great idea, got absolutely screwed over by the rest of the world in the civil war which was a big set back and all hope of communism/victorious world revolution was gone after 1920.
Realised that it had failed and that there was little hope so it consolidated its gains for its population in a nifty welfare state which lasted a while before the west finally gutted them leaving the ex-ussr the way it is today.
Made Hitler ragequit and generally btfo'd fascism which was pretty based.
Had some cool scientific and cultural efforts as well.

Over all a solid 6/10, did the best they could.

fascist state like cuba

Shit, should not be emulated. That said, not as bad as propaganda makes it out to have been and in many ways better than the capitalist states.

this is the world we live in

Not my edit.

My genuine thoughts are formed mostly by the architecture left behind, to tell you the honest truth.

The red square is uninteresting, bland and depressing. You have a tomb, an ice rink, a view of the Kremlin and a tiny cathedral that is nothing but cramped hallways. I know St. Basil was created much earlier, but it's one of only four features in the entire place.

This was the height of artistry, creativity and innovation in public venues in Soviet Moscow, and it is barren and lifeless.

I can't imagine life was very fulfilling in the USSR, and despite my love of communism it's the one thing that always gives me concern.

I've never been to Moscow and seen the architecture, but soviet cinema for example was full of energy and very innovative.

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It was okay considering what it was trying. It wouldn't be wise to repeat it though, but rather improve upon its shortcomings.

pretty gay, stalin killed the revolution

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I accept Trotsky's formula of the degenerated workers state. October was a genuine proletarian revolution that brought a workers state to power. The isolation of the Russian revolution, due to the suppression of the revolution in Germany especially, strengthened the more conservative tendencies in the state and party bureaucracies, giving rise to Stalinism as the political expression of this tendency. This tendency was hostile to the perspective of world socialist revolution, and adopted the nationalist program of "building socialism in a single country."

Thus we say the Soviet Union was degenerated, but it kept the vestiges of the workers state established in 1917. Genuine Trotskyists defended the gains of October while opposing the Stalinist regime. The Stalinist regime, as an impediment to world socialist revolution, was the greatest danger to the survival of the Soviet Union, outside imperialism itself. Trotskyist called for the overthrow of the Stalinist bureaucracy in a political revolution to restore Soviet democracy. Trotsky warned prophetically, that if the Stalinist bureaucracy remained in power then it would eventually liquidate state property and restore capitalism.

they did ok

taking out nazi germany was pretty good

and their government seemed to be more reasonable than the current government in russia now

also they had nice atheistic

solid 7/10

How do you rate it's corruption of other revolutions worldwide, 'helping them' with weapons and political support while making them fall into line with the same non-socialist building style of socialism?

The Soviet Union was clearly imperfect and had a lot of people working against it right from the start. In particular, the traitor Trotsky who worked to sabotage peace with Germany in WW1 with his stupid "no peace no war" policy. As well as semi-Trotskyists, half-Trotskyists, quarter-Trotskyists and others who sought to wreck the Soviet Union from within. The traitor Trotsky himself was the most destructive to the socialist cause.

Trotsky worked with Yakov Blumkin (who killed Mirbach to incite a war with Germany) to send secret messages to Karl Radek to undermine the Soviet Union. This demonstrates his connections to the Left SRs who also wanted to incite war with Germany. He organized a huge group of supporters to undermine the Soviet Union from within. Basically the unprincipled traitor Trotsky made a living on blaming everything on Stalin. Material conditions, geographic factors, etc were all overlooked to blame things on Stalin as much as possible. He also used "Lenin's testament" to try to distance Stalin from Lenin.

This was similar to what the traitor Khrushchev later did. He used "Lenin's testament" in his "secret speech" to distance the party from Stalin. This way like Trotsky he tried to base the party of Lenin and distance it from Stalin. It is this sense that he was semi-Trotskyist. He all but rehabilitated Trotsky without saying it outright because it would be too unpopular to do so. This led to an increase in support for Trotskyism. Gorbachev (who is now close with billionaires like Alexander Lebedev) praised Khrushchev and his liberalization. With the collapse of the USSR a lot of Trotskyists just became neo-conservatives and apologists for imperialism as part of their purpose was eliminated. It is also worth considering that the imperialist Russian federation rehabilitated Trotsky in 2001 which goes to show the sort of people that support him (e.g imperialists).

You forgot your tank flag.

I am not actually a tankie I am more of an anti-revisionist and a anti-Trotskyist.

We can do better. But we shouldn't regret it happening either. It's not like the world is any safer without it, and capitalism rampages unhindered.

"yes im a tankie but i forgot to use the flag"

Will never forgive them for what they did to my nigga Nestor

I'm reading pic related right now and though the exact plot is fiction it's based on enough reality to positively color my perception of the USSR. It seems like there was a genuine effort after Stalin to build a post-scarcity society from the centrally planned economy, but it never came to be due to Soviet politics and want of modern information technology.

What do you mean "after"? That was the idea from the beginning.

Defend this.

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Good example of the power of planned economies. Disgrace to actual socialism that set back the movement a century.

State Capitalism and Red fascism.

>had a few years of good democracy and theoretical potential for communism
I'd rather live the USSR or DDR than the US during it's existence (post-Stalin period ofc), but if I can choose I might as well aim for France that had more interesting theory available.

Also, anyone claiming that it was "screwed over", or "attacked", just no. If it failed it failed, learn from it with some self-criticism rather than just pointing fingers.

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