I know Undertale makes Holla Forums's panties bunch but I want to talk about the Genocide route...

I know Undertale makes Holla Forums's panties bunch but I want to talk about the Genocide route, as well ramble a bit my personal interpretation of the game, which runs counter to most other people who've played it.

Now you might've missed it being too wrapped up in the joyful cheeriness of the game (Or disgusted at just how Tumblr it is depending on your taste) but Undertale is a game that outright hates the player, especially those that tend to feel real world emotions towards fictional characters (AKA waifufags). The game starts off by telling you how to spare people, and then it outright tells you that some monsters need to be hit a couple times before it lets you spare them. Then you get to Toriel (Who is arguably the biggest target of waifufaggotry in the game). What happens if you do what it tells you? You suddenly do a shitload of damage out of nowhere and kill her. Why? Becuase fuck you, thats why. You're a horrible person for doing what the game told you to do to try and spare her. You should've just trusted this monster you barely know that she wasnt ACTUALLY trying to kill you. Just harm you. You need to wait and do nothing. Don't even think about reloading a save, or we'll know.

To make matters worse, the only character that even knows you exist is Flowey. Throughout the game, Flowey's job is to remind the player how shitty of a person they are and are probably like two seconds away from saying "fuck it" and murdering someone. Theres even a joke about "someone that we dont know who exists" (The player) to remind them that no matter what feelings they feel towards the characters, its not mutual. What happens when you DO succeed, and save everyone except the ONE person who acknowledges your existance? You're told to fuck off. You're presence can only make it worse for everyone. Sometimes when you beat a game, the main menu changes, usually to something that makes the player feel good about what they've done. Not Undertale. The previously upbeat music is replaced with empty mechanical noises and all the characters that were previously there are gone, leaving only black to remind the player how alone they are. The No Mercy endings are even worse (Including the one you HAVE to get first before the pacifist ending) becuase they highlight how if you even kill one person, the underground will be all the worse for your presence.
Genocide on the other hand, is different. At no point does it try and trick you into feeling bad or like an idiot (That is, as long as you CONTINUE doing genocide rather than going back on it like a pansy). It even makes a point to outright say you arent doing what you are doing is evil, but just the natural evolution of what you, as a player, are meant to do: push a game to its very limit. Its also easy to miss but the only time Frisk ever smiles or shows any emotion at all is during genocide whenever a random battle starts. The ending is also the best, you are faced with Chara, only their name ISN'T Chara. TobyFox has said that the first human's name is whatever the player's is. Theres a good reason for this too: while Frisk is a vessel for the player, Chara is a reflection of them, mostly of their desire to be victorious over games. Chara is that part of you that pressed you on despite how grindy Genocide is and with how much of a difficulty spike Genocide Undyne and Sans are. It ends with you and Chara "erasing the world and moving onto the next" (Basically uninstalling the game and moving onto whatever game you have next), and if you decide against doing so, it reminds you that doing so was the whole point of your journey. When Chara says "Since when were you the one in control" it wasnt just meant as a spooky "I am more powerful than you" it was meant as "If you were in control of your behavior, you wouldnt be here right now"
tl;dr Undertale's subtle underlying message is that the player is a disingenuous monster who at best will fawn over fictional characters and at worse will just fuck everything up.

Yeah I know I fucked up accidentally posting as a reply to a thread

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your threads would probably get less of a negative reaction if you didn't start them off with passive-aggressive bullshit. just a tip.

Frisk and Chara best girls

nigger you expect me to read your wall of concentrated autism

oh no someone might call me a faggot whatever will I do

Thats why I summarized it with a tl;dr at the bottom

What is this?

because let's ignore if a player (theoretically) payed 10bux to play a video game, how dare they get their money's worth

Why give a fuck?


fag

That bugged me and it bugs me people don't call the game out on it more. It's one thing for you to choose to kill based on the rules as you understand them and get the outcome that makes sense, and feel responsible for that. But with Toriel, there the game suddenly changed the rules to force you into being badguy with results that were absolutely not what you expected or intended. I never felt any guilt or responsibility at all for accidentally killing Toriel the first time due to the game breaking the rules to make it happen.

bump for interest
I want to see some quality discussion here

It's funny, because Toriel is supposed to be some sort of "monster lord" along with Asgore (They are called Boss Monsters, even), and it's implied that the other six humans (who are dead, by the way) went throught the same proccess as Frisk did. Frisk's attacks shouldn't be deadly.

Undertale does get Holla Forums's panties in a bunch, stop getting triggered by blunt honesty.

It's not passive-aggressive bullshit, it's true. Holla Forums's autism gets [TRIGGERED] by fucking Undertale like no other because "hurr the game has a shitty fandom on tumblr!".

Do Game Theory-tier "ludonarrative dissonance so deep"-type posts count as quality discussion these days?

It's better than spamming "tumblrtale" in any case.

I guess so.

I suppose that's why I couldn't feel any regret or remorse for taking the Genocide route. Not (entirely) because I am a sociopathic sub-human meat calculator, but because it rather felt like I was doing my part as 'the player' rather than making my own decision on the matter. Had I not heard of the Genocide route, I wouldn't have grinded every area to death just to see what would happen. It's like turning on cheats in GTA and going on a rampage for shits 'n giggles only to reload your saves like nothing ever happened.


Would you kindly explain?

==FUCK OFF TURNVLRT…
Actually i dont feel like posting that anymore.

I’ve experienced deeper conflict and angst between my need to be true to myself and my need to seek approval through my actions any time I leave a public toilet without flushing than I have ever did playing Undertale.
It's a video game, and without its characters and music, Undertale is a fucking boring video game.

Well it's better than our 2000th webm threads with no actual video games in it.

I really wish Holla Forums didn't collectively have such a hard time differentiating between things that are bad and things that are simply liked by people who are bad. Those aren't always the same thing, but to too much of Holla Forums they are.

On a more directly game-related note, I don't so much mind the whole killing or not-killing thing, but I wish that there were a way to fight and more importantly, actually level without killing. On a purely conceptual level, I really didn't like the fact that being nice meant you also had to stay weak. Plus, doing stuff in fights should yield experience (not execution points, but standard experience) even if nobody dies. Also, being nice basically negated the attack mechanic entirely.

So basically, I think you should have fought and leveled either way, with some different way of choosing to kill or not kill. I'm sick of the pacifist route also being the less gameplay options route in games, whether it's what Undertale did, or other games where all the guns but the tranq gun might as well not exist if you don't want to kill.

I think the game would have worked better if it was a hell of a lot more vague about how saving the monsters works. Which is to say not to at any point outright tell the player that there is a way to non-violently resolve conflicts and let the player figure that out on their own.

It's obvious from how the story pans out that Toby meant for the player to kill Toriel on their first run and then attempt to avoid killing her on their next play through. Probably the biggest problem of the game is how tedious the game gets when played through more than once, you should have been able to talk to Toriel over the phone for the rest of the game if you spared her.

As for the genocide route, probably the most disappointing part of the game, it really feels like an afterthought from Toby. Part of the problem being that he commits the pretentious game dev sin of intentionally making gameplay shit in order to make a point.

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I think the whole "not leveling up or getting stronger doing the pacifist route" thing was to make it tempting to grind. Like you're having a hard time so why not just kill a few monsters? What's the worst that could happen?

Without that temptation you'd never kill a single thing because you're already sleep walking through the game and would rather not grind for meaningless stats like HP. So the game has to be the right balance of challenging to make that temptation worth something to the player.

with the shittiest art, apparently

This.

I actually liked the idea of an RPG which doesn't require any leveling to beat. Levelling can be a pretty pointless (and in some cases cancerous) gameplay mechanic and the only useful purpose it serves is to develop the gameplay by giving the player new abilities, as opposed to just stat buffs and can often distort the difficulty of certain segments based on how much grinding the player has done.

Granted, Undertale probably would have been a better game if Toby had developed the RPG side of things by granting the player new abilities to use as the game progressed. But that doesn't necessarily have to have been done by levelling.


Actually Undertale is the opposite, probably one of the smarter moves Toby made but sparing monsters does have more developed gameplay than killing them. So you don't feel that the game is trying to guilt you into not having any fun like a lot of such games does.

The temptation aspect would never matter either way, because there's an absolute rule ALL games with a killing choice follow: Either kill nobody or kill them all. Killing 3 is ultimately no better than killing 300, the categories are zero and all other numbers. If you're trying not to kill, you'll be following that rule no matter what- if the game cares at all, only zero kills are rewarded. (Or maybe killing every single character might get counted, but either way, commit to one or the other entirely.) Only likely victim anybody will get after choosing pacifist is Toriel, but only because the game tricks you into killing her.

So with temptation not mattering anyway, no leveling on the pacifist route just means a portion of the game is locked away if you choose not to kill. Not cool in my book.


Granted, the leveling was extremely shallow either way, but by not leveling, I'd say the pacifist route had less gameplay in total, because an entire mechanic functionally didn't exist. And when it's an already far too barebones RPG like Undertale, not even leveling is taking away a lot if you ask me. Maybe you got some different monster interactions by trying to get rid of them the non-murder way, but it was nothing that didn't happen in any way shape or form in deadly combat either. Conversely, being a pacifist meant literally zero leveling AND hardly any use of the Fight command. So I'd say once again, not killing meant less stuff overall. A pacifist never gets to kill, or really benefit from fighting at all, but a killer gets to kill and still access the other interactions and in many cases still spare the enemy entirely just like a pacifist could.

Beyond that, why couldn't you fight monsters and choose to not finish them off? It was absolutely NOT serious business in the first place, and fiction is crammed full of non-fatal battles where there's little effective difference but whether the combatants wanted to kill the other guy or not. Think of how many RPGs have the battle work the exact same either way, same deadly weapons and attacks, but with important characters they just get defeated at zero HP instead of killed. There's no reason fighting not to the death, but to the opponent giving up/getting knocked out couldn't have been justified. (That's even how real life fights usually work.) It wouldn't even be a moral high road problem since the bosses, at the very least, are intentionally trying to kill you until they decide not to. So how could they possibly blame you for hitting them back as opposed to merely dodging? Regardless of gameplay, I didn't like the fact that it was either full-on murder or not lay a finger on anyone at all, even just to stop them from doing their best to murder you.

So anyway, I'm all for not killing, but not for not fighting (and growing stronger from said fights) at all. Not from a story or gameplay sense.

Reminder that Mettaton is best waifu

but thats wrong you fag

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what i meant was fuck off tumblrtale give me back my 10bux :^)

check

Just as the rest of the fandom, you're fucking retarded OP.
The whole fucking point of the game is that you, the player, is that little red heart while Chara, the guy that murders everyone is the corpse you control.

Seriously, why can't you make 1+1?
Frisk doesn't exist, Frisk it's literally souless Chara, if you go to the coffins after you beaten the game pacifist you'll see one of them is open, with bandages around.
Toriel took the body from the coffin then tried to bury Chara's corpse under the yellow flowers and for some reason or the other your soul ended up sticking to him.

There is no Chara possession, it's you possessing and possibly resurrecting the corpse of a dead kid, hence why Chara can go as far as recognizing himself in the mirror when you start a genocide route as soon as the ruins, after butchering Toriel.


Except Flowey DOES recognize the lil' coon.
He even state about Chara stealing a human soul like the nigger he is.

As for the others, you're literally a corpse that came back to life, probably the skin is necrotic and yadda yadda or maybe monsters recognize people based more on their soul than their appearance (and granted, Toriel and Asgore should have mistaken the corpse for Chara regardless, since at first sight they look very alike, even their clothes are similiar).

So yeah, you're costantly controlling the dead corpse of Chara, Frisk it's just a souless puppet and the good ending is the genocide then pacifist, since the protagonist comes back to life and is free to do as he please.

The closest thing Undertale has to subtle is a bag of fucking chips, mate.

There's three individual entities.
The Fallen
The Demon
The Frisk

The player doesn't factor in the story you are The Fallen Human. At the end of the genocide route the demon is talking to, The Fallen who has lost control of Frisk and cannot actually spare everyone.

I mean shit dude did you even pay attention to the plot? Chink boy gets possessed by both the Demon that possessed The Fallen (Originally as per the plot while Asriel was still goat) and the other 6 kids, and in addition he's possessed by The Fallen. The reason nobody comes back from Ebott is because the Demon claims you when you go in there, and only with purity can you expel it. Which is the pacifism ending where the Demon is disappated unless You as in (the character, "The Fallen") decide at the end of the genocide route that you want a do over and The Demon tricks you into using your body to get out of the barrier and extinguish all life on the planet as per the original plan before the Goat decided genocide was faggoty and walked home and died.

Trust me I have played this game literally 235 times.

And if you played the game even once you would know that the Demon at the end of the Genocide run Is another character because guess what. Humans cannot take other human souls

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Also congratulations faggot you fell for the "Game acknowledges the player meme" when really the game only ever acknowledges People who cheat their way to the end of the game, and people who watch the game on Youtube instead of playing it, which probably includes you faggot.

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here's your (you)

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Undertale may hate the player, but, there's a series of games that hates the player even more.
>one of the endings deletes your save files
>the entirety of the second one isn't cannon
>the first final boss and the third final boss

I thought he was referring to the player and him not going on a murder spree in real life.
It also sort of recognizes you in the quiz section, but oh well.

The game was always rigged to blow secondaries the fuck out and time and time again it shows. Since virtually every "plot hole" is explained by in game dialog most of them would miss because they just searched "Undertale Final Boss" on youtube instead of actually playing the game for themselves. Talking about the game like they didn't just watch it on youtube

Undertale's sheer popularity ruined the game, what should have been a cult classic exploded into the mainstream audiences way too early.
The ability to look up a walkthrough to see how to run a pacifist run wasn't available when the game first came out, and everybody either did neutral or genocide runs. I guarantee nobody who's done a pacifist run did so without a guide, yet it's the most popular ending.

every time

Who cares it was a shit game.

>tfw you'll never be able to talk about Mother/EB without people bringing up Undertale at least not until Mother 4 comes out

feels fucking awful, man. I hate how Toby continues to leech off of the games

Mother 4
Never
ever

At least Toby made an attempt to dissuade that massive wad of hipsters and so called "Fuzzy Picklers" that never played the game but le cannot comprehend guy gas attack

It's coming out on the 27th.

cuckbound was the original tumblr meme game

You are so right in so many ways don't get me wrong I like undertale, but it is a comepetely shity game when it comes to an actual game and that's why I hate when people bring up earthbound or fallout 2, because they are the same thing, they try to make up for there shit game by making it seem like your choices matter and make think your a apart of a world that you're clearly not in. shut the fuck up that's why I thought hotline miami message was so fucking stupid, yes I enjoy killing fictional beings in a video game. And you know why fucking do so because no matter how much I hate someone or hate people, I never want to take there life away from them that isn't fucking right in any fucking context, so I take those feeling and put through a game or a story or a piece of art, so that I don't do something so fucked up that your more or less trying to push me towards because you think some edgy fucking artist by using me to make me feel about killing a some non existent being. just shut the fuck up and let me be me and you worry about your fucking life, maybe when you kill yourself out of the fact your life has gone no where because you see no value in it, all taking a picture of your still dead corpse and sell to people and clam it's fuck art.
Fuck you very much.

Who says the ending where you kill everyone, isn't the best ending. Ultimately it doesn't matter what you do because it's a fucking game.

Fucking exactly.

Pretty much. True Pacifist rewards players for exploring a game to find a certain thing that they are looking for from it (in this case, a happy ending). Genocide makes them admit to themselves that they're completionists and nothing else matters to them.

So, do you agree with me or what?

Oh boy, a blogpost.

I did a full pacifist the first time (even if I did kill Toriel) but that's mostly through just hearing that there was a Pacifist and Genocide ending. I wish I hadn't even heard that much. It really is hard to express just how much better Undertale is when it's played blind.

Nice blog post, but if you wanted to talk about Undertale you could've just gone to >>/mtt/ or make an Undertale general. Get better taste in video games, you goober.
NOW WHERES MY GENESIS AT

Not how it works, fam.

Toby recommended people play the demo first anyway, because as it turns out a lot of people are retarded and killed Toriel after trying every option once, even though spare on the first use has a noticeable effect, then he added two frogs to explain "Hey faggot sometimes you need to use spare even though it isn't sparing them"
Game comes out and months later you got slightly less retarded retards that plodded through the ruins after watching a let's play ended up whacking the fuck out of Toriel because they ran past all the NPCs instead of talking to them.


No genesis for you Stale Meme-ins

Yes.

IF YOU SAY GENESIS THREE TIMES THE GHOST OF PHIL COLLINS APPEARS
GENESIS GENESIS GENESIS

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NO YOU FUCKING FOOL!

Here's your genesis

I thought I was still alive.

i was already here you stupid cuck

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go back to your cuck board fam
>>>/underground/

user, that's Kansas

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here's the genesis

I'm not in the mood for memes pumpkin.

Can you tell me where my country lies?

herecy

this is a memezone
only memes allowed here

No memes $450 penalty

gaybriel was a remaincuck

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no plebs $2055 penalty

Yellow

That was supposed to be a tutorial on the reload thing.

The point was for you to kill her and then reload so the game can go "I saw you do that" and you go all "Wowwwww"

I'm not seeing anything about that on the website.

gooks are yellow

So you are a gook. Yellow-boy.

ur mom's a gook lol

autism

July 27th is the date MOTHER 1 was released, you fucking basketball. It's the anniversary, so of course they're going to aim to release it on that date.

mother 1 was shit lol. who even names a game mother fucking retards

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But have you actually been following the development? It was less than a year ago that the project basically collapsed, and they've been giving regular updates on the blog ever since. It's pretty basic stuff they're working on now, and if there were a release date they would definitely tell us.
If you're talking about 2017 it's at least possible, but you shouldn't go around acting like you know what you're talking about.

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I know what I'm talking about.

There you go op you had some discussion while it lasted.

I swear it only took 3-4 undertale generals before people ran out of shit to discuss and it fell into gay husbandu hell.

That means you have evidence. Evidence that can be shared. Go ahead.

Gay husbandu you say?

I don't need evidence. It's obvious if you were paying attention from the start, like me.

You guys have a containment board >>>/tumblr/

le tumblrtale xD

We have a containment board in ur mum. m8

Get out with that weak ass edit. Go big or go home, goatfucker.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised given how frequently they've been posting updates, or at the very least if they posted a more in-depth trailer/demo on the 27th

Trips

It's not even mine I saved it like a year ago it was made like the day after the game came out on here.
I also have this from a long time ago

You're too late, shitmeister.

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What a shame

THE GOAT IS FOR HUGS ONLY

Why

and they call undertale fans autists

goons shitposting, it happens with every thread and will keep happening whenever people say anything negative regarding the game

If I had sony Vegas I would, but I don't so I won't.

i liked the game tho

It's too late for you, shitbilly.

Sages sure, but not much Genesis posting,


yet.

This thread needs to go.

Could this be a renaissance?

I think you're projecting, because you seem to be upset when people talk positively about the game.

You didn't listen to a word the skeleton had to say, did you?
Let it go already.

maybe friendo

no, its just a delayed reaction, in a hundred posts more the entire thread will just be pajeet and ==FUCKIF GOFOF TUBMRLTLALEEEEE==

It's probably about time for Toby to announce his next project; people would forget about him otherwise.
Undertale is far from flawless, but I hope he learned something and I'm looking forward to whatever's next.

i did too, threads were fun for the first month or two until cancer outnumbered posters

might be poopy joe's just asleep for once so he can't regale us with his tireless crusade against the tumblrmemes ruining Holla Forums

With no discussion of the game

And the remaining 30% was genesis discussion.
Can't forget that.

Maybe on 4chan.
Threads here stuck to manual datamining. Without using tools, and making shitpost videos and editing Temmie's face onto reaction images.
Maybe perhaps you had the wrong board?

it's the katawa shoujo effect, when a general goes on long enough and anybody who was actually interested in it has buggered off all that remains are shitposters with the only material relating back to the thread subject being reaction images

once some new tidbit about the source comes out the cancer gets shouted down for a while but then it goes back to business as usual

That's a god damn fucking lie, I went through threads regular looking for that shit since it was actually interesting, but a very wide majority was fucking goat posting.

Did you read the posts or just look at the pictures?
I know reading is hard but I'm sure you can do it.

You got the right post there man?

Yeah it was for

anybody know how to change the in game sprites
im doing some cancer and i want to change some sprites to make it worse
ur mom lol

Decompile the game and put it back through game maker with new spritesheets.

oh ok thanks
is it even possible to change the text too?

reddit.com/r/Underminers/comments/3s0wch/tutorial_easiest_way_to_get_into_the_files/?st=iqn4sr17&sh=badfd22c

here you go, fellow redditor

isn't the game maker version toby switched to more secure on that front? like it can't be easily decompiled as with previous GM versions

i love this vpn

its like you dont even leddit newfriend :^)

Yes
You know C+ right?

JUST
i wanted to change all of alphys's calls on hotland with OY VEY THE 6 GORILLION

wish there were more undertale gachis

this is bait

this has to be bait

Well be careful because you might overwrite code with your bottom tier meme-ing

i hope i overwrite the part where she calls you every 2 seconds
i hope i overwrite her existence
time for my vpn to die again

Nah, you'll probably break bullet physics since they are around the same place.

I prefer Brand X

good taste

What the fuck are you on about? Everyone knows the genocide route shits you.

So has anyone but /bane/ made a hack of the game that isn't shit? I'd loved to played an actually decent game with similar mechanics.

Nippon made a hard mode hack up until undyne

Is it easy to find?

Can you read japanese?

I agree but Undertale is bad in almost every regard except music. Just like MGS2

I just finished memorizing the katakana. That won't help for shit, will it?

meant kana

Nope.

Lisa was better in every single way possible.

You only like Undertale because you're a soft cunt who likes barney tier programs.

They don't even have the same gameplay you faggot secondary.

all videogames are barney tier you fag :^)

Lisa lags like shit at a certain point, and all points past it, on my not-for-vidya laptop.

Undertale barely has gameplay to begin with.

I'm playing through genocide with my feet and an xbox controller.

I accidentally played all the way through a neutral route and killed everyone with my feet because I didn't realize I was unable to backtrack to kill off all the random encounters.

DON'T FUCKING SOIL RGB WITH TUMBLRMEME SHITFAGGOT

sage

sage

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Frisk is said to give "a patient smile" at Napstablook and that's like five minutes into the game. I won't bother stating the examples of other emotions; there are plenty.

nice trips.
sage

(checked)

bump

Thanks for the bump user-kun~

good luck having healthy threads though, seriously i wish you the best.

WHY DOES THIS THREAD STILL EXIST
PHIL, TONY, MIKE, I SUMMON YOUR PRESENCE
ACTIVATE THE
G E N E S I S
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it'll be fucking incredible user

Is that honestly such a bad message for a video game to have? To not play videogames?

thats just business as usual and theres nothing incredible about it. its not that hard to be civil about things.

and thats why i gave the pope a copy of duke :^)

It's not even that. It's just trying to make you acknowledge that you'll do terrible shit in video games for the sake of completionism, despite whatever you claim to feel for the characters.

Virtual Novels come to mind, actually. You'll go through your first playthrough with the girl that you like the most, trying to get the best ending and live happily ever after with your love.

Until you start a new game, and pursue someone else. Despite confessing your love for the girl in the game, you still went back on your word and abandoned her for someone else. Or maybe you went back and deliberately chose the options to sabotage your relationship.

Either way, acts that would be considered abhorrent if done to real people are carried out without a second thought in vidya, oftentimes just to get that 100% completion. So I'd say that Undertale's goal is just blatantly pointing that out.

I doubt Poopy Joe will be upset about Mother 4 user, he specifically targeted his autism at Sue from Cave Story, Toriel and Isabelle.

AND BEAR IN MIND HE KEPT IT UP FOR 4 YEARS ACROSS BOTH CUCKCHAN AND Holla Forums

Cuck-Dev, Cuck-Dev!!
You never fooled me!

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AND ALSO, ACCORDING TO FURRIES IN CONTACT WITH THE ARTISTS, SPENT AT LEAST $2000 ON SCAT PORN

no i just take delight in people being absolutely irreparably ass-ravaged about games they didn't and won't play

poopy joe is a shining exemplar of autism we should all strive towards

TWO THOUSAND AND FIFTY FIVE US DOLLARY DOOS
GONE FOREVER

I can, link please

japanese google it.

I must say, I rather disliked the way the game set this sort of 'morality' to killing shit.
It's plain self defense. Self defense isn't wrong.
If it's hostile, you kill it.

You have to go back.
>>>/tumblr/

If you go casual murder this is mentioned in the final chamber. and also yada yada, explained in the first town why they attack you blah, blah, something that'd be skipped by a streamer/youtuber blah.

And you're going to say something like, oh but that doesn't explain why even when they are hurting you they don't stop and I'll explain SOUL damage isn't shown physically, and you'll disagree and it'll just go on and on like that.

It makes my blood boil knowing this subversive tumblr propaganda game sold almost 2 million on steam.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, mate.
Consider forming proper sentences.

"SOUL" damage still kills you. To retaliate against this'd still be self defense, even if you bullshit it away as 'not physical damage'.

thanks for the bump :^)

Indeed. Start with yourself.

Am I the only one who willingly choose to NOT do the Genocide route?

I tried, to be honest and got to Sans. I kept repeating the fight, but after taking a break, the things he said started making sense.
I knew damn well what that route implies. I even knew at the time what it would do to my save yeah you can edit, blah blah and still gave it a shot. But why? At the end of the day, I didn't really want to kill them all. I was ticking a box in a checklist.
So I said fuck it. Reset the save, and did pacifist again. And then let it like that. The save's still sitting on my HDD until I uninstall the game properly (or format the drive).

And for other people who chose Genocide route because that's what they wanted? Good on you.
As long as you played it how you wanted, not how you felt you had to.
You're still fucking monsters, you fucking pieces of shit, how can you deal with Papyrus death, HOLY SHIT.

Then how does Chara get your soul after a genocide run?
Also when does the "possession" begins?
Chara manifest himself as soon as the ruins, yet you're still able to not go genocide.
Why is that?

Also where is Chara's corpse?
Why does "Frisk" spawn with a bandage, why does the coffin has spare bandages left around?


Okay here I'm calling you retarded.
You're telling me one of the kids had a fucking revolver?
Remember Flowey's boss fight?
The last soul?
Yeah, that's a fucking gun.
Am I to believe that a kid came into mount Ebott with a fucking loaded revolver?

For someone that played the game 235 you sure know fuckall.

Doesn't the game specify it as a toy gun?

That's the knife at the beginning, the gun is just empty.

Who was Papyrus again? I've just started the game and am up to the king or whatever at the moment.

He's sort of in a corner. Undertale's resolution does not lend itself to a sequel so his next game would have to either be about one of the other character's backstory or another quirky RPG game.

And he's gonna be expected to rehash the pacifist RPG shit or else his tumblr audience is going to start bitching about how "YOU SAID KILLING WAS BAD!". Which'll make his future titles very predictable in that respect.

Of course, he might intentionally troll his fanbase by making an RPG where refusing to kill anyone actually makes things go to shit, I would love him if he did that.

There's a lot of thematics you can tackle with that, mainly questions about self-sacrifice, the "peer into abyss" thing and other assorted good stuff.
Sucks that half the fanbase is too retarded to grasp any of it, and the other half is trying to distance itself from the the first half as quickly as possible.

Papyrus is that pile of dust you leave nearby the river, right at the entrance to the caves.

One of the frogs also tells you that sparing means you don't want to fight and that you may have to spare even when it's not in yellow text.

The game literally tells you that before you finish the ruins and have the talk with her, if you didn't listen and understand that's probably a foreshadowing to the fight itself, you deserve to feel like a bad guy.

if the option to attack them is there, then people are obviously going to do it to see what happens. It applies to any game with combat and trying to believe that someone would try the same thing in real life solely because they did it in a game is the exact kind of bullshit Jack Thompson tried pushing

I do not wear panties im a man

As someone who likes the True Pacifist ending better and still did Genocide ending

You don't do it because you can and because you can you have to; you do it for the challenge and satisfaction of beating Sans. People -do- the genocide run for that awesome fight, everything else is busy work

I often wish the pacifist fight was as satisfying

Then it's probably some snotty little shit who thinks they could innamountain with their dad's six shooter and died like a dumbfuck.

ITT: People realize that stories often have multiple interpretations.

This is death of the author, people. There truly is no right answer. You get what you got and you won't get anywhere telling people that their opinions are wrong, at most you can only share your own experiences.

That's the point.
The option to attack is there.
But the option to say "no, I won't" is still there too.
It's not a button, or a command. It's something you chose yourself.
I think that's entire point of Sans speech. I know about the in-game meaning, but you can't discount the meta-meaning aswell.

Take SpecOps. I don't buy the "you should have turned off the game". That game was about people doing terrible things. Does that make you terrible aswell? Up to you the diferent endings. No matter what happens, the game was never about preventing bad stuff from happens. It happens, and you did it. End story.
In Undertale, you get a very clear message. This is happening because you're curious. Because you want to. You already beat the game once, you're doing it again for the sake of completionism. The point of "you can opt to not play this part" works a lot better in Undertale.

And I agree, I make no comparison with IRL stuff or derive any "moral lesson" from the game.
It's just a short, bitter-sweet story with possible darker ramifications. There's no reason for it to have exploded in popularity like it did.


For me, it was satisfying. Maybe I sound faggy when I say it, but I liked seeing everyone happy in the end. I don't get to see happy people a lot nowadays, so it really hits me when there's a bunch of people smiling and for once I don't hate them all and wish them death and pain.
Asriel crying after his finnaly attack made me cry like a bitch too. I feel sorry for the little guy, I just wanted to save him too.

No no, that's alright, the ending's great and as I said, I liked the ending better.

I just didn't find the fight satisfying, even with the hyper and [SAVE] button being highlighted, it's just mechanically a brain dead fight

I liked it better when there was a lot of unexplained shit, and just ideas or theories.
Nowadays everyone has their own head cannon, and all the mysteries are explained by some youtuber rambling for 25 minutes about the corpse of Ness.

Also, have a webm. Even if you don't like Overwatch, it's still a nice job by whoever did it.

Ah, yeah, I don't think anyone can argue about that. That fight mainly sacrificed dificulty and gameplay to tell the story.

In a way, there's a kind of brilliance in this.
You character can have "hope and dreams" and that sustains them throught the fight.
This is neatly represented with and ACT command that gives you restorative items for instance.
From a storytelling pointof view? This is an amazing way to use the gameplay itself to characterize the story and flesh it out instead of pure text exposition.
From a gameplay point of view? You can regenerate HP at will, and all dificulty is gone.

I can kinda forgive that, since I have my share of "challenge" from other games, and Undertale is like Reus: you play for the comfy, music and story.

I like to compare it with modern walking Simulators. Those have you walking in empty sets, press a button promp and BLAM, audio/text exposition. Walk some more and repeat until you get the full story.

Go back to the very first Myst, and the story is laid out using the gameplay itself. Any game that takes advantage of the medium (uses gameplay) instead of relying on crutches and turning into a movie where you gotta keep pressing X to advance is worthy of praise to me.

Read nigga

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A big theme of Undertale, especially in pacifist route (though also a bit in Genocide with Sans) is messing with the set dressing that you take for granted in vidya. From the Toriel fight that's deceptively designed and turns out to be more of a Mexican standoff, to Asgore destroying the Mercy button. Let alone the save system and endings.

It's a game that's pretty much a commentary on the way people play games, befriending everyone in one playthrough and murdering them all the next, and how players take advantage of the lack of consequences; it messes with that by giving it consequences, which you have to go to ridiculous lengths out of the game to reverse.

Of course, it's not all fun and games for a Pacifist player as Flowey reminds you at the end how fragile your victory is- and that one of the biggest victims in the mess can't be saved, or even put out of his misery without doing Genocide. It's a bittersweet ending even though it works out great for everyone else. And you're tempted to try again, or just burn everything down.

It's a pretty good trick, though it only really works once.

Hey, where is the good anti-undertale post that's detailed? I want to fuckin cap it and shit!

FUCK TUMBLRTALE

Id like to start out by saying, that i think all you people who play tumblrtale suck a big fat goat dick.

now, to move on

I think TUMBLRCUCKS are pathetic. all they do is sit around with their big lips and collect welfare. and if they're not doing that, theyre robbing, raping, stealing, murdering, or in jail. So id like to give a big fuck you to all you tumblrites out there. By the way, im not really racist, i have a tumblrite NIGGER in my family tree. Hes been hanging there about 20 years (badumdum!)

Now on to SJWTALE cucks. they are like a mixture of tumblrcucks and bunnies. they also sit around and collect welfare, but they have a different method. They all reproduce at an amazing rate, and then the welfare collection moves on into the next generation. They really all should be lined up and shot, with their goy clothes and their nigger skeleton flags. And, like tumblrcucks, they go out robbing, raping, mugging, stealing, murdering, and end up in jail.

WHY ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS ALLOWED IN Holla Forums?

Jews. Hitler was right. They are nothing but money grubbing little fucks. like that guy toby fox, look at him. He makes a pointless game, sells a million some copies, AND THAT ISNT ENOUGH. now he has to make a movie too. That movie is going to suck, just like him, and just like all his fans. Hes a self centered piece of shit, just like every other jew ive met. And whats this deal with jews whining about the holocaust?!?! they gotta make movies, books, whatever. Its all about money with them. they cant spend their own money and get on a public access channel and whine about it, no they gotta set up a holocaust memorial, bug that faggot jew steven spielberg to make a movie that sold out, and a bunch of other shit. fuck jews.

Undertalefags. Well, Undertalefags are their own category. It seems they just dont get it. WE DONT CARE THAT YOU LIKE TUMBLRTALE! GET OUT OF MY Holla Forums! I know if i had kids i wouldnt want em to be seein a bunch of cum guzzlin tumblrtales walkin down the street with their womanly manhood dangling around screamin we want videogame discussion….

YOU HAVE VIDEOGAME DISCUSSION! YOU HAVENT BEEN B& YET! YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY!

All they do is fuck like bunnies and spread the tumblrcuck virus. I hope they kill themselves off soon.

Tumblrtales are out to ruin the economy. Look at em with their piece of shit meme games. Why do they have to evade our economy? I mean, i dont see anything wrong with them sellin shit over here, but they practically SHOVE IT DOWN OUR THROATS! and YOU FUCKERS keep buying the shit. I say we send a couple more sage-bombs over there, take care of their tumblr asses.

Goat molesters make me sick, but they keep popping up! Whats this world coming to when these guys can peddle their goatkiddy porn over the internet! ITS SICK! All those goatkiddy porn fuckers should be castrated with plastic forks and burned at the stake.

Tumblrtales. God i fucking hate Tumblrtales. LEAVE ME ALONE! All they do is whine about how people are going to go to hell and try and convert people! GET A LIFE! god damn sexually dysfunctional little fucks! You should all be burned at the stake like you did to the pagans! I fucking hate you all!

i feel alot better after doing this. And im not going to hide behind a fake email address and name. email me, i dont give a fuck. all you losers are pathetic. go out and get a fucking life, quit sittin around masturbating to goats behind your computer screen you little scrawny fucks. Im so drunk right now i dont give a fuck if you fags fuckin email me. Hell, i'll give you my fucking fone number too while im at it, feel free to call me, or are you afraid to? afraid i might humiliate you over the phone? 717 867 1292, if its busy 717 867 1679, ask for FUCK OFF TUMBLRTALE, i'll be waiting for all your calls.

oh, and one more thing.

FUCK YOU!

Tumblrtale

Yeah, thats right you fuck, i hate you too.

this shillery is not what I was looking for, faggot.

I wish i had been there during the good threads because i missed so much discussion of it.

Undertale is what SJW should have done if wants to go into videogames.
Instead of fucking up an already stabilished stuffs to fit into sjw dictatorship, Undertale is build from scratch.

So, it's OK.

If you want to interpret undertale, just play it in the context of an earthbound fangame that was gestated in the bowels if it's fanbase + tumble

That hint NEEDED to be put after toriel's fight. It was horseshit.


It had a shitty fandom here. I was there for the datamining updates, but other than that it was just nothing but
>goat


Agreed. I wish the game was more open to different playstyles, maybe making the combat AND the pacifist method of play fun. The only thing genocide has going for it is the boss fights. I also wish that both extreme styles of play were hard as balls. Pacifist should have been about making sacrifices, personal ones, such as bodily harm and willfully putting yourself in danger. As it stands that game is more of a visual novel than anything else.

Well, I mean it's a niche game for furry weeaboos made by a furry weeaboo. It's kind of expected to be at least some part cancer.

Yeah, that makes sense.
Totally.
Because Chara is a creature with horns, a long demonic tail and wield a trident.
Wait no, Chara is a fucking child, a human child, care to explain to me how a fucking human turned into the literal devil?

Oh by the way, you want to go the "Humans can't do that" route?
Alright, then tell me how did the humans seal the monsters in the underworld with a magical barrier in spite of the fact that HUMANS CANNOT USE MAGIC.
Either the whole fucking story it's retarded and nothing matters or SURPRISE SURPRISE there are exceptions to the rule.

I played the demo, it was shit. I still don't understand why you fucktards were circlejerking so hard about this game.

I did pacifist the first time simply because the game pointed out that not killing is an option, in which case, dur, zero fatalities will be rewarded or result in a different ending or something. That's how games with that option always work.

With that said, I accidentally killed Toriel the first time due to thinking maybe I had to weaken her first to spare her and that stupid sudden huge damage just killed her entirely. (Which really shouldn't count if you ask me.) At which point I reloaded and didn't kill her the next time, or any other monster whatsoever even by accident. I'm assuming that was still a a pacifist run since I had zero exp at the end.

monsters are retards and it's heavily iffy on if humans can use magic or not (writings on the wall in the rainy area say yes, modern-day monsters in their writings in snowdin's library say no, asgore offers no input on the barrier though he also doesn't contest that humans put it there)

though there's also the possibility human mages are humans who got their hands on boss monster souls, normal ones disintegrate as soon as the monster dies but toriel and asgore's souls stuck around a second because they were bosses

Toriels soul wasn't strengthened though. She had potential but asgore kept all the souls locked away

Gaster is an allegory for jesus because he has holes in his hands

My personal headcannon is that the monsters sealed themselves down there because humans would've wrecked their shit faster than you can say "backblast clear".

it was shekel magic
chara was a little kike too

Those were mages
Under normal circumstances humans can't do magic. BUT AS SHOWN IN HOTLANDS YOUR SOUL CAN BE MODIFIED TO DEAL MAGICAL ATTACKS **which do no damage to mettaton further cementing that magical attacks can't actually hurt monsters.
The devil isn't necessarily a horny demon.

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Chara is probably a kike, yeah.
Can't see the nose to make sure, but I'd put money on it.

Aren't you the guy what does those slightly decent little comics what got the eyepatch guy and the noodle guy?

there is no nose because toby fucks is a lazy kike too
pic very related

All I know for sure is that Frisk is a gook and anyone who says otherwise hates fun.

Define decent

now that is true

Not quite entirely shoddy enough to the point that I get mild entertainment out of it.

Probably not then. I'm not quite at so bad it's entertaining but not above mediocre.
Plus the only comic I ever drew was about Goat kid removing kebab.

Where is coon user?

I saw him so many times when undertale threads were a thing I feel weird not seeing him now.

i think he gave up

Monsters are also the ones that say that only a human and a monster soul combined can go through the barrier.

And here I wonder… during a neutral run, how the fuck do you manage to escape the underground?

Asgore soul is destroyed, so is Toriel's and you get none of the human souls.

So again, much of the "canon" the monsters offer as lore it's pure dogshit.

I hate that guy.
Low-effort shitposting always irked me.
By all means, shitpost all you want, but at least put some effort into it.

Basically everyone but the turbo autist that played undertale too many times gave up and left.
What's his name Fred Jed? Something like that.
Genesis posting is only still a thing because it took off as a meme since someone Crossposted it to 4chan and eventually it came back to here

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i need to know who did this so i can shove a drumstick up their ass

How can you even play the game more than three odd times?
Near as I know, there's only really that many endings.

Probably the fag who started it.

also i was always on every single thread from late september up until when the mods got meme'd and mark bumplocked a thread because of me bumping the thread with genesis

DETERMINATION

Or autism.

nigger the last time i went to cuckchan was to see how bad /o/ got after 2014
its even worse now
it was probably one of the december crossposting goatfaggots

Call it both.

Gook frisk comics were the only good thing to come out of that lot.

There's a shitload of minor variations depending on what you do, but not really anything to justify multiple playthroughs
Also the pacifist ending changes a bit after you do a genocide run

SHEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIITTTT
OOGA BOOGA WE WUZ MONSTAS N SHEEEEEIIITT
WHERE THE TORIEL PORN AT
OOGA BOOGA KILL WHITEY

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Does anyone remember the user that glitched the game?
Those were fun times to be honest, I really wish Undertale's community wasn't so shit.

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THIS AINT LEWDS WHITEY
POST LEWDS OR I KILL THIS SKELETON NIGGA RIGHT NOW WITH MY GLAWK FOWTY PROBLEM SOLVER

I looked over rule34 and picked this based on your sexual preference, enjoy ;) fgt

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The most fun I had was discussing theories when the demo came out.
We sort of already had Chara in our sights, the whole "You are not the kid you're giving the name to".

I also enjoyed the Pretty Boys stories, the various comics, the runs we did.
Honestly, if this remained within ourselves we could have had so much fucking fun talking about it nonstop.
But as usual, anything Holla Forums loves ends up getting spoiled by faggots.

I only have this.
At one time, it was believed to be an innocent enough picture of MK.

THIS NIGGA DIDNT DIE SO GOOD
WHO WANTS TO TRY NEXT

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT PLEASE STOP!

READ THE FIRST POST NIGGA
THAT AINT TORIEL

WHITEY DEAD NIGGA
WHITEY DEAD

oi wut m8, that skeleton is my profile picture!

Oh, my bad, here you go. Hot goat on human action.

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I'm intrigued, but wat

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TIME TO DEPLOY THE WATERMELON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
I DIN DU NUFFIN #BLACKLIVESMATTER KILL WHITEY

Drop it or the KFC get it.

SHEEEEIIIIIIIT STUPID WHITEY FELL FOR MY TRAP
ALLAHU AKBAR

Remember that time Ed broke everything
I just found my folder of shit from the threads

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You blew up the KFC too, dumb nigger.

Shiiieet, I remember that. I wish the Doom wad user had finished his work.

THE KFC WERE EXPLOSIVES NIGGA, IT WASNT REAL KFC
NOW I HAVE EVACUATED ALL MY NIGGAS ON PLANET WHITEY NOW THEY BE SAFE ON THE B.B.A.L.L. ARK

iirc wasnt that a ruse?

What about the pretty boys?
Coming up with those stories was pretty fun, albeit it became quite cringe after a while.

I think the first time it wasn't, the user actually glitched inbetween doors or something.

Wouldn't it be nicer to remember it as if it wasn't if it was?

Pretty Boys was great. I imagine it'd eventually get old, by all means, but it was still fun.
Reminds me of some hilarious stories from /k/, namely the '/k/ acquires an aircraft carrier' lot.

Cuck

I bet this is what feels like to be a valuable member of society.
Thank you for not making me feel as worthless, have the rest.

Anyone got the plan to kidnap Toby fox and tell us if the game was tumblr pandering?

The dude worked on Homestuck, how the fuck is his Tumblr pandering even being called into question

the nigger avoided absolutely any questions about gender or politics in interviews about the game

last i recall he also just made music for homestuck, all the shit writing i'm aware of is both on hussie and on the fandom he allowed to totally commandeer the story

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Oh wait you're talking about a different kidnapping plan I'm sorry it's hard to remember a single post in the fifty thousand fucking generals I saw.

song title related

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kill yourselves

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Here you go fam.
:^)____

Do the people who hate Undertale still enjoy the Genocide route since you get to destroy all the furfaggotry except the worst of them all, weeb lizard, and erase them from existence entirely?

Probably someone out there does.

Fucking why

Because. You don't want it to. Strickland effect the harder you try to suppress something the more it explodes.
YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER KEPT PUSHING IT DOWN IT EXPLODED BECAUSE YOU KEPT PUSHING THINKING IT WOULDN'T BLOW UP IN YOUR FACE.
A RELATIVELY PASSABLE NICHE GAME BOUNCED INTO THE MAINSTREAM BY CONSTANTLY BEING PUSHED DOWN
YOU SHOULD HAVE LEARNED FROM SCOTT CAWTHON

because I keep saving it from death
:^)

But every time you save it from death, you push it a little closer.

And every time you step on it, it bounces higher
All you had to do was learn from the mistakes of the past.

Nothing lives forever.

Oh right, I forgot the nose in my description.

The reset mechanic kind of makes that nuance pointless.


He could just have new protagonist have the ability to KO an enemy or have the enemy run away.

If I were to write the plot of the second game, it would be survivors of the genocide run went back into the past and formed a new timeline. This past isn't really the past but a new game which the only humans that fallen underground were Chara and Frisk. Chara's soul has already disappeared and Frisk has stayed with Toriel meaning that they have zero human souls.
The MC resemble Asriel but is technically human having a "mostly made of water" body and a human soul. Most people ignore you but the survivors recognizes the player thus attacking the MC.