The Catalans have finally grown some balls and will hold a Referendum to become an independent state on the 1st of...

The Catalans have finally grown some balls and will hold a Referendum to become an independent state on the 1st of October.

http:// elpais.com/elpais/2017/06/09/inenglish/1496995696_161601.html

"Regional premier Carles Puigdemont announced on Friday morning that he is planning to call a independence referendum for Catalonia on that day, despite lacking consent from the Spanish government."

The Catalan parliment holds 135 seats, of these 72 are pro Independnce.

62 are for JxSi
10 are for CuP

JxSi (junts pel si) is a coalition between Convergència and Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya.
Convergència is a Center Right Party, mainly of progressive Christian Views.
Esquerra Republicana is a Left wing party, with mainly socialist views.

They decieded to do a coalition to do a strong political party to do a final push for the independence in 2015. However, the JxSi coalition in the parliament also has random important people from the Catalan Culture as are, LLuis Llach, Carme Forcadell, Germà Gordó, and others that are not politicians. 99% will vote independence.
CuP (Candidatura unitat Popular) is a fucking disgrace. They are the anarchists, the Marxists, the squatters that don’t shower. They are part of the government since they also want independence from Spain, and they decided that they would do a coalition with JxSI to have an Absolute majority in the parliament, after forcing the main leader of the indepencende movement, Artur Mas, to step down, because of his “views” and what he did during the crisis (cuts on social funding). 99% will vote independence.
The whole parliament seating:

Junts pel Sí (JxSí) 62 seats
Ciudadanos-Partido de la Ciudadanía (C's) 25 seats
Partido de los Socialistas de Cataluña (PSC) 16 seats
Catalunya Sí que es Pot (CatSíqueesPot) 11 seats
Partido Popular (PP) 11 seats
Candidatura de Unidad Popular (CUP) 10 seats

Ciudadanos (C’s from now on) is the bastard son of Partido Popular (PP). Both of these are very against the whole independence movement. PP was born after the death of Franco, it was basically his son, and holds right winged ideas. C’s is basically PP but with progressive views. It’s controlled opposition for sure for PP. 1% will vote independence.

Catalunya Si que es pot (CatSiqueesPot from now on), is a coalition between the “Podemos” of Spain, the green communists and the team of Ada Colau (the Mayor From Barcelona). In this group there are all the people that don’t see themselves as conservatives but don’t see themselves as part of the system either and believe in “social ideals”. The Mayor of Barcelona, the shittiest mayor in all the world, Ada Colau, a total degenerate woman, would fall in this category. She is so shitty, that she doesn’t have majority in Barcelona, but all the other groups do not want to do business with her. They are just waiting for her downfall. Back to topic – CatSiqueesPot are not defined, they are neither pro independence nor against it. However, most of their voters in Spain (podemos) are not in favour, so in the long run, they will give more signals against it. However, thise means that around 25-30% of their voters will vote for independence.

What is in it for Catalonia? Basically, they will emancipate from the Kingdom of Spain, and the Masonic Spanish political system. They are mostly Catholic Masons.
Economically, if Catalonia became independent, this would imply giving up economies of scale arising from the union with Spain. However, these costs remain limited, in his opinion. The fixed costs of running a Catalan state have been generously estimated to be €2.793m which represents 1.4% of Catalan GDP, or €383 per Catalan citizen. Additionally, markets and defense have already been outsourced to the EU and NATO, suggesting that Catalonia would not lose out if it gave up the union with Spain (provided that it remained a member of EU and NATO, which nowadays.. isint neceserally good.). A major benefit for the Catalan economy would be the termination of fiscal transfers to the rest of Spain. Currently, taxes paid to the central government exceed public spending in Catalonia by €16.409m (8.4% of GDP). Moreover, current public capital in the region is the lowest throughout Spain. Public investment in Catalonia accounted for merely 8% of Spanish public spending, even though Catalonia contributes 20% to the Spanish GDP.
The bad thing is that Catalonia is mainly Barcelona in terms of politics, which right now means degeneracy. If they don't turn to the right with the Independnece, the Catalan politicians might start turning into other colors non white.

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Probably only because the Spanish government won't allow them to shove as many refugee cocks up their asses as they'd like. Ignore everything regarding Spain, it's tainted land.

Nigga, do you even Basque?

Basques are the last remnants of hardcore nationalists since the fucking Roman Empire. And you know what the Spaniards did to ridicule them? Made the Basque country the biggest liberal pozzed shithole with their gastronomic festivals, museums and anything which makes the Basques think "oh, there are good things outside my nationality, maybe I should be more liberal"

Good luck Catalunia.

It's virtue signaling but they do not believe in it. They are doing so to get the blessing of Europe that they are the good guys and spain are the bad guys, so EU will accept the referendum.

Catalan community traditions as castellers, are very intact and growing.
Try and find a tainted hand in the crowd. There is non. These activities are growing each year. In other words, Catalan identity, grows. Arabs have always said that they do not like catalans because they cannot feel indentified with them.
Because the catalan identity is to strong. Not like in france, or London… Or.. germany.
So yes, outwardly catalonia is playing a virtue signal game to get the blessing. However, inwardly, they wont surrender who they are.

Wasn't the whole Catalonia independence movement started and run by jews?

Soo, I'm not wrong? Look all that about Romans is touching and everything, but Spain has been a hotbed of leftist nastiness for about a hundred years now. There's a reason Franco and co. had to resort to a military coup, they couldn't win an election because even then they were outnumbered by marxists. Actual niggers from the united states and africa flocked to Spain during the civil war and muhdicked all the leftist women, no doubt to the Spanish men's delight. It's about 10x worse now.

So 500,000 Barcelonans turning out in February to call for more nigger dick was just part of some master strategy? If you say so.

Gotta do your research, user. Crown of Aragon.

I don't disagree with you. But you gotta also understand that nationalistic pride sometimes bloom from these places. Like a desert rose. Euskal Herria remained and is still is a Basque place. It's like the Welsh in Britain, or the Hungarians/Poles in Eastern Europe.

Hmm, I'll look it up. I guess I shouldn't totally discount a people if someone knows of even the slightest bit of pride remaining among them. It's just that I know a couple spanish students at university, and they're the most obnoxious stereotypical little leftists I've ever met.

The problem with merely pretending to be retarded is after a while people forget that they're pretending. Children will be raised who don't understand it's a ruse. Idiots won't understand it's a ruse, and think themselves in good company. Etc.

If you're looking to find nationalists in Madrid, Barcelona or even fucking Valencia, you're in for a bad time. The more you go to the north, the more it rejects the pozzing; Zaragoza is not that bad. But then you go to Bilbao and BAM, Basque nationalism in every plaza.

Sadly, anything related to Spanish nationalism goes back to fascism. This line from (((Wikipedia))) explains it all:

In February 2016, the government of Spain announced it will rename streets named after Franco's administration officials with names of women.

Catalans are the closest thing you will see to a jew outside of Israel and America
They are nothing but money-grubbing, self-destructive, short-sighted arrogant cunts that love toilet humor (look up "caganer") and their language is fucking disgusting and makes me want to choke a bitch everytime I hear the fucking thing. I honestly hope they get their independence meme solely so I can smugly laugh at how they quickly ruin themselves and beg to be allowed back.
t. Spaniard

Hahaha no. They sure as hell will. Catalan nationalism is pozzed as fuck and places mudshits above Spaniards. It is NOT ethnic nationalism. No matter your race if you say Spain is bad and Catalonia is oppresed they will welcome you with open arms and pat themselves in the back because they are so tolerant and diverse.
They are probably the most fascism-hating people you'll ever find.
The biggest party for independence distributed flyers in Catalan, English, French and even Arab but not in Spanish.
Israel supports it, that's all you need to know.

Catalan nationalism could be a good thing but independence is total bullshit and their virtue-signaling and diversity pandering needs to go.
Stop shilling this turd. Sage.

t. Catalan.

The Crown of Aragon would be the best thing to restore for spain and allow it to dictate politics. Why? It promoted "Lullismo", which is localisim without letting your neighbout influence - what does this promote? Identity and nationalisim. That is why Spain, because the crown of Castilla inheretid it, has so many nations.


Not all facisim is good. Franco was a very very bad leader. He promoted a centralized shithole in which his friends would have power, not the most powerful people. If the governor is bad, the government, whichever form, will be bad. So it is normal to be antifranco in spain, as it is to be antiobama or antimerkel in germany.

I don't care if he was a good or a bad leader; he promoted nationalism. Not all nationalistic leaders were perfect. The point is switching that in an 180º to go from nationalistic leaders to women to promote (((feminism))) is trading a bad thing for an even worse. It's the exact same dillemma with May and Corbyn in the UK; one is a bad leader, the other is a fucking communist.

Franco was not a fascist, specially on economy
The only fascist thing about Franco is the fact that he used the salute.
Read Hitler's testament:
archive.org/stream/PoliticalTestamentOfAdolfHitler/PTAH_djvu.txt
ctrl+f "spain".

José Antonio Primo de Rivera, leader of the (pre-Franco) Falange, was the fascist. Read his memories about his opinion on Catalonia and the Catalan culuture. He could have solved it all, had he not been killed by anarchists.

>archive.org/stream/PoliticalTestamentOfAdolfHitler/PTAH_djvu.txt

"I shall never forgive Franco for not having reconciled the Spaniards once the civil war was over, for having ostracized the Phalangists, whom Spain has to thank for such aid as we gave her, and for having treated like bandits former foes, who were very far from all being Reds. To put half a country beyond the pale of the law while a minority of pillagers enrich themselves, with the blessing of the
priesthood, at the expense of the rest is no solution at all. I am quite sure that very few of the so-called Reds in Spain were really Communists. We were badly deceived, for, had
I known the real state of affairs, I would never have allowed our aircraft to bombard and destroy a starving population and at the same time re-establish the Spanish clergy in all their horrible privileges."

This form of governing in spain is still prevalent and it is what it leads the opposition to fucking find any excuse but to want to be nationalistic until nationalistic means something that is not that faggot of a leader Franco.

Pics related: Primo de Rivera on the Catalan Problem.


Is this degenerate multicult marxist Catalan nationalism any better though?
Is Puigdemont better than Franco?

Spanish politics are dominated by thieves and corrupt fools, and so are Catalonia's.
Spanish nationalism that respects and promotes Catalan identity/culture without diminishing Spain's is the real deal.

WTF?

Independence will grant Catalonia the chance for it to be nationalist without the umbrella of Franco or it's son "PP". Without it, it's only future is Marxisim.
Either a Primo de Rivera, hitler arises in Spain or Catalonia, which at the moment doesn't seem to exist, or they are bound to marxisim or independnece.
With independence nationalisim is possible, without it, it will only get worse.

I remember seeing news reports about Catalonian idependence movements a few years back, and many of the people supporting independence were noggers or arabs. Some even said that they wanted to get Catalonian independence so the new country would consider them heroes and patriotic citizens. All the Catalans I have met have been pozed.
t. Frenchman

My opinion is a little torn. I've met quite a few Spaniards, mostly from Catalonia, and got to know two of them very well. One of them casually revealed in a discussion about why they weren't big fans of Germans that he also didn't like the Jews. Then the other one chimed in about (((the single most vile event to EVAH HAPPEN))), with the other one still calling them worse than the gypsies. Of course most of the spaniards seem to only live for partying, which is how both of these guys operated.

For those who speak Spanish here's a video from none oher than Alerta Judiada exposing (((Catalan nationalism)))'s ties to Israel.


Sad but true. Even if some individuals do not agree with this "diversity" the interested parties pushing, financing and controlling the movement do.


Land of siesta & fiesta. Fuck party degenerates, removing the mandatory military draft was a mistake.


Some day, brother. Some day.
If a leader does not appear Spain will just follow whatever the trend is in Europe.

Shit fallacy authority arguement comming from what is now the shitties country in Europe.
Your memory probably is starting to fail you, and what you thought was catalonia is actually your country. Go back to Israael.


Catalans only care about their identity. The ones you see partying probably don't give a fuck about anything, as any german that you see partying or any sweedish folk that you see partying. What matters it the core. The core still holds a very strong identity towards its traditions.


I agree that Israel plays a huge role, like in all motherfucking Europe and america. But it's better to fight them in a guerilla style in Catalonia, than in Spain. Once Spain is out of the map, the catalans only have to fight for their identity, and in the end, those that are trying to steal the identity from everywhere in Europe are the same (((people))).

I just want localities in all fucking Europe to fight for their culture. If catalonia is really serious about it's identity, in the end, independnece is a good thing for them. And in the end, they will start naming the ((())) as the rest of the world.

Also, the Catalans were not the "jews" of spain. That is a missconception. The Jews of Spain are in Andorra. Andorra also has a very flaky law regarding human trafficking.

He's on Holla Forums so you're not talking to the ordinary cougar-loving Macaron frog here. Insight from other red-pilled Europeans is at least interesting.

That's not gonna happen. The propaganda machine will go full force into multiculturalism and loss of identity and the same gullible sheep that bought the independence bullshit will buy that one too.
Look at 11:45 in the video. That's the plan.
People are not waiting for the independence to occurr and then turn on this plan, they're embracing it.

I get what you mean but the current independence plan is a fucking death sentence (both economically and culturally) and rooted in pure, distilled jewry. There's no reason to think somehow people will purge the degeneracy later.
Drain the whole swamp now, start a real ethno-nationalist movement and then we can talk. If Catalonia had a virtuous, bad goy government with a proper economic system and a culture that elevates their people you can bet your ass I would understand and respect an independence movement, and I would want the same kind of government for the rest of the Spanish people.
As it is though we're not any better than Spain, and leaving will make it even worse.

Kek.


So much this. These people absolutely sicken me.
Everything is slowly collapsing and Europeans are being genocided and what do these assholes do? Party of course. I mean it's not like there's anything else one could do in such a situation right?

Yeah, nah. Catalans are crypto-jews and their independence will be their downfall.

Nothing short of sedition. By all rights they should be in jail.

A little background info:
Barcelona, the capital of Catalonia, is the second largest city in Spain, after Madrid, the country's capital. It is also incredibly pozzed.
Catalonians are traditionally regarded by Spanish stereotypes as cheap misers and untrustworthy. Like Jews. They are the butt of many jokes for this reason.

These Catalonian separatist parties know they do not have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. However, they make a living off it, so they pretend.
The Spanish government tolerate it because it is useful to distract from real issues such as corruption.

Basques: Geographically isolated since prehistory. Language unrelated to any other currently spoken. Cool flowerpower swastika pagan symbol. So far so good. However, the separatist group (ETA) are commie terrorists.
For real. They did things like blow up bombs in front of children schools.
It took decades, but they are mostly gone, thanks to attrition. Many in prisons around the whole country, to keep them from being sprung out, protected by (((lawyers))).

Technically what we want is "sedition" and we will certainly be called traitors as our power grows. "Traitors" to the Jewish establishment that is.

I get what you're saying about Barcelona being pozzed. It is after all the heir to the degenerate pseudo Marxist "stateless" state of Catalina.

I just feel like the only reason they're leftists is because they want national socialism for THEIR people and leftist Jews promised them nationalism if they parrot the communi$t line. It seems that most of the nationalist "communists" in Europe are really just nationalists who don't care what ideology they need to parrot to get it. And I believe that once we gain as much political power as the Marxists had in the 20s, they will drop their (((anarchist))) mindset and just be normal nationalists… socialists. Which ironically they already are. They just don't see the connection between nationalism, socialism, and counter-Semitism.

The question we should be asking ourselves at every waking hour is, how do we get from where we are to positions of political power? How can we become an unstoppable juggernaut?

Or maybe I'm just stupid, the Catalonians need to be ethnically cleansed, and we need a single state for all White people. I don't know.

Irrelevant. Spain doesn't recognize the referendum, their supreme court has said the referendum can't be held, and Catalans refuse to actually fight for their freedom. Nothing will happen.

this. Catalonian independence is just more D&C at the hand of the jews.

Separatist sentiment was and is artificially stoked by enemies of a strong Spain. Classical divide and conquer.
Consider the symbology of the fasces, or the motto: "One, great, free".

While it is true that we are stringer united, that doesn't mean that a multicultural Europe would be peaceful. Consider Yugoslavia. All Slavs, but multicultural states are unnatural and always end up disintegrating in violence and bloodshed. Forcing Catalans, Basques, and Spaniards together is not natural. Humans are inherently nationalistic and tribalistic. We must never forget this.

I'm just talking from experience, my Spanish friend. As for France being shitty, perhaps it's due to the fact that we have so many thousands of Catalans?

Maybe an independent Catalonia would be a useful thing after all…

It's like trying to discuss the new testament in a synagogue

Spain is a sad country with a sad history. I feel sorry for them, I really do. They had to deal with being occupied by filthy Turks, Niggers and Arabs, their women enslaved, children slaughtered, men butchered. Finally throwing out the African invaders at some point, it's difficult to undo the genetic damage at that point. I guarantee the Jews did everything they could to sow discord in Spain, pitting the different Spanish peoples against each other. Look, Sweden used to have many National Socialist people in it, now its completely fucked up. That's the process of indoctrination, and forced immigration. The Basque people deserve preservation. All Cro-Magnon peoples do. You can undo propaganda on a population. Undoing genetic damage is an entirely different matter.

Great job contributing to the discussion, fuckface. Thanks for admitting none of us are wrong.

Thanks for the OP. I'm very interested to find that there is a "Centre Right" party in Catalunya, though i suspect that " progressive Christian Views" is another way of saying that they are cucks.

Most of the Catalans i know are extremely socialist, and the cities are absolutely covered in antifa graffiti. (I live in a very good area in a seaside city of 150k people). The smaller towns are loaded with muslims, many of whom seem to be of the radical persuasion. (big beards, no mustache).

The catalans speak big about keeping their culture alive, but they mostly seem to be concerned about their language. They're happy for thousands of moroccans to come in, as long as they learn catalan.

I've been pressing people here with the benefits of Spain leaving the EU, and it horrifies them. The biggest thing which would stop Catalonia voting for independence would be if they thought that the EU would reject them.

t. anglo living in Catalunya.


Thanks for this, I'm going to save and share it.

Also, check the communist tier independence flag.

You would be surprised how little it changed: Most Muslims and Jews were expelled or killed. Some places became ghost towns, and had to be resettled by migrants from up north. There are still villages with a majority of German surnames.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Carlota,_Spain


La Carlota founded in 1767 due to the interest of King Carlos III to colonize some depopulated areas of the Guadalquivir valley and Sierra Morena (see Colonization of Sierra Morena and Andalusia). The legal framework for carrying out this Colonizing company it was the Law of the New Populations of Andalusia, which established three main settlement areas headers would be La Carolina (Jaén), La Carlota (Córdoba) and La Luisiana (Sevilla). The aim of this colonization was twofold: on the one hand protect the stagecoach traffic populating these areas that served as refuge to banditry, and the other put in big farm unproductive areas hitherto. The project was driven by two large illustrated: Campomanes and Pablo de Olavide, who was commissioned to carry out the settlement.

The recruitment of settlers who inhabit these lands he was commissioned the adventurer Juan Gaspar de Thurriegel, who brought to Spain about six thousand German and Flemish Catholic settlers, plus some Catalans and Valencians. This is the reason that still exist surnames and Central European ethnic features among its inhabitants. Of those 6,000 colonists settled in Carlota approximately 1,600.

A French influence and the Enlightenment is due the administratively the municipality should be divided into "departments" and not in villages, and the Real Carlota was not only the head of your current municipality, but also capital of the western colonies, They comprising San Sebastián de los Ballesteros (Córdoba), Fuente Palmera (Córdoba) and La Luisiana (Sevilla). For the same reason urbanism of La Carlota it is orthogonal, with streets that intersect perpendicularly and give rise to regular apples, which extend on both sides of Camino Real (then national highway IV) leading from Cádiz to Madrid.

Among its illustrious locals is the writer Juan Bernier.

Catalonia is a degenerate joke.

Even i know it's a marxist shithole.

(heil'd)
I think we may be living in the same city. Are we talking about one that has some beaches and heavily pushes Roman heritage and monuments? With a Roman WALL?

So I don't need to alarm if I see some guy with a German-sounding surname if I ever visit those places. I'll have to rely on the nose.

Are Spanish guys are ok with Greeks muh dikking their girls?

The girl I'm on-off seeing is a Catalan girl with the most crazy daddy issues imaginable.

They are funed by commies, you know.

This.

Oh, you mean like the last time which after the results the highest court and the PM refused to give them the chance?

These separatist movements all seem to be led by civic nationalists who prefer non-whites over people who are ethnically almost identical with them.

Same in Scotland (pic related) or Quebec with fucking Haitians (of all people) just because they speak French.

The only separatist movement which is significantly ethnic is the Flemish one, for some reason I'm not aware of

They aren't even civnats. That's the thing. The entire movement is led by people who actually don't really care about the concept of independence per se, hence the obsession with the EU. The entirety of their politics boils down to "I'd prefer we were ruled by territory 13 rather than territory 28 nominally".

I'm

CATALANS ARE ALL COMMIES
They are the cali of Spain.

Make her call you 'Caudillo'. If she has daddy issues you may be able to pull it off.

>archive.org/stream/PoliticalTestamentOfAdolfHitler/PTAH_djvu.txt
Offtopic, but in that document Hitler himself implies that Op Barbarossa wasn't a pre-emptive strike but an assault.

I'm not sure what to think about that considering what Holla Forums keeps saying on the matter. Anyone got some insight on this? (ctrl+f Molotov to find the section)

You should make a new thread for this to get more exposure if you want answers.

In his testament he gives 3 reasons:

refused to recognize the hegemony we had set up in Europe as long as there remained on the Continent a Great Power which was fundamentally hostile to the Third Reich. […] For Time - and it's always Time, you notice - would have been increasingly against us. In order to persuade Britain to pack up, to compel her to make peace, it was essential to rob her of her hope of being able still to confront us, on the Continent itself, with an adversary of a stature equal to our own. We had no choice, we had at all costs to strike the Russian element out of the European balance sheet.


I'm reading a book called Truppenführung, which was pretty much the army field manual of the Wehrmacht. It was written in 1933 so some things changed in 1941, but one of the key ideas of the army was being on the offensive most of the time.
Quoting from the book (I'm translating from the Spanish translation so it won't be perfectly accurate):

Decisive/crucial victory was an important idea, their methods for war were quick and they were not supposed to last for ages.
Another interesting bit is the initiative. In war, when things were uncertain (enemy plans, etc) most German commanders would attack. "Unclear situations are best clarified through attack".
Germany would have never let Russia get the initiative. Waiting for Russia to attack would have been disastrous, and even if they didn't attack they would have blackmailed them for the resources and further advance communism throughout Europe.

Oh fuck off, you have countless German, Balkan and Dutch threads on Holla Forums.