Classical Marxism ayy

No, he wasn't. His criticisms of Jazz are completely incoherent.

see this is the kind of fag i don't like. give me modern music pls

But why?

youtube.com/watch?v=lGEidwEliyY

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i dunno if this is jazz (no?) but I like it.

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I like that also user

Hungary, and the ensemble's name: Group 180.
ubu.com/sound/group_180.html

Fucking youtube deleted the interview with the group & Reich where he said it. The group bought CDs from Yugoslavia, and they wanted to play the piece, so they sent a letter to Reich asking for the sheets and told him their plans to change the instrumentation because they lack the proper number of the original version. Reich thought it was crazy but sent them sheets anyway. 2 years passed, he forgot about the whole ordeal, then he received the phresh cds from commie hungary and listened to them. He thought it was the best rendition of his piece and made him cri.

thanks comrade!

Schnittke is god tier
youtube.com/watch?v=yaaRk0c-780
I agree with most posts here, classical music as some bourgeois retreat is demoralizing, appropriating or reappropriating such culture can actually be a defense against most commodified, easily disposable music.

A G R E E D (with Schnittke being God tier)

*sniff*

Of course, this question probably refers to Adorno’s book of philosophy on new music. And I agree with it totally. I am against Stravinsky, for Schoenberg. I think that when we get a breakthrough in art, like with Schoenberg, we always get then accompanying it, a figure like Stravinsky. Renormalising the breakthrough. Cutting off the subversive edge of the breakthrough. And I think again the same goes for other arts, for example, in modern painting, it would have been Picasso vs Braque. I think Picasso is Stravinsky in painting, with his eclecticism, while Georges Braque is the thorough modernist ascetism. Even in literature, although the homology is not perfect, I’m tempted to say Joyce vs Beckett. Joyce is I think too bright for his own good. It’s too pretentious in this encyclopaedic approach, like using all languages in Finnegan’s Wake; the true genius is for me Samuel Beckett. If I were to choose one novel of the 20th century, it’s his Unnameable. I think that the three absolute masters of 20th century literature are Beckett, Kafka and the Russian Andrei Platonov. If you put the three of them together, I’m ready to burn, sacrifice all other books just to keep these three. I think even much of high modernist writing is overrated. For example, if I were to choose between Virginia Woolf and Daphne du Maurier, I would immediately choose du Maurier. We shouldn’t be afraid to admit this.

theguardian.com/books/live/2014/oct/06/slavoj-zizek-webchat-absolute-recoil#block-54354129e4b0cd82a095ef5f

Holy shit this is really fucking great

I disagree with Zizek though. The dialectics in Stravinsky are stronger than in schoenberg.

marry me please

I really love Beckett user =) Waiting for Godot is one of my favourite plays of all time.

That's a really cool thing to consider given that Picasso painted Stravinsky yes?

Agreed!

Pretty good taste user, not sure if I'd call him one of the best. Are you not a fan of the Divine Comedy? The Aeneid? Emile Zola? Hermann Hesse? Emil Cioran? Albert Camus? Sophocles!? It's unfortunate, it would be hard for me to pick but I'd say the absolute masters are

1. Hermann Hesse
2. Emile Zola
3. Sophocles

But your choices are good also.

GOOD TASTE CONFIRMED

Woolf bores.

I'm not a big fan of Zizek or Adorno, but this sole paragraph makes me want to marry him tbqh.

The Firebird > everything Schoenberg wrote.

I love Stravinsky but he is right on most of his statements on the books, which I was focusing on when I said that. Du Maurier > Woolf any day.

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There are 3 pieces by reich there, wich one is the one that made him cry?

The first one is pretty damn hot

COMMUNISM WILL WIN

The reason for your disdain of jazz, cranky-person, is due to your lack of what the Western man would call a "soul".

One cannot listen to classical music and jazz with the same ear. The modes of listening must be altered in order for the music to be absorbed and pondered upon properly.

The two represent a different phenomena of visions.

Surely, jazz, that which is sometimes referred to as "American classical music", is the only good thing to have ever come from the U.S..

Yet again, it'll be said, there is nothing that compares to the great Western tradition of classical music. No, there is nothing which is so full of wealth and wonder, and this includes even jazz.

In the end, if the music isn't jazz or classical, it's probably poor, degenerate noise.

Chopin is my lifeblood, I don`t know how I could relax without him. But I have somewhat of dislike towards soviet composers more due to their style than other reasons.

I love Chopin as well. Do you enjoy Scriabin?

Ever considered the burger?

Quite a bit, but I`m still leaning more towards Germans in this matter.

Try Szymanowski? Not like Chopin, but also polish and also very good.

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I`l earmark that name for later.

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I found the god damn thing: thevideos.us/watch/_oXQaK7Agws
fast translation from 02:20
So, yeah, it's the Octet

y'all need the rotterdam pill

youtube.com/watch?v=fbiF1zOWYdw

Gimme a source for that semen soldat so I can get something worthwhile out of this leftist shithole?

I thought that interracial cuck porn was your thing.

ubusound.memoryoftheworld.org/group_180_II/180-II_04_Octet.mp3

Certainly this is a very mellow version of octet

Is this classic?
youtu.be/bMrg9blUTig

It is classical yes

It is classical yes

and it's pretty great too tbh

Folk thó
youtu.be/EuAbG970PWI
youtu.be/NuQiJeiraX8
youtu.be/gkX7ga_uR-U
youtu.be/OUt53wlVAos
youtu.be/v6skTMYBvqk
youtu.be/u4xp80xjq_4

Inb4 >Любэ

Check out mah list, poetry of Henry-san for classic and folk!
youtube.com/watch?v=KFPuusb2LrE&list=PLnsu9VzNN6bty9MToeh2crVRKVSIYEqbv&index=3

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Pfff, what have burgers ever produced that's good?

youtube.com/watch?v=aMT_EGXQwyk
youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo
youtube.com/watch?v=kkaOz48cq2g

Oh, of course that's good.

Also outside of music Melville, Faulkner, Crane, Poe, Pound, Rothko, Brakhage.

Film soundtracks, a shit ton of patriotic music, some of Aaron Copland's music, a few of Adam's pieces, some decent folk music….and yes the American musical scene is shit. I blame the fact that we had no time to create our own repetoire of classical music before Rock n' Roll came about and the atonal cancer known as "modern classical music" became a thing.

Oddly enough, we actually made some stellar orchestral music for Hollywood though, since snobish music that sounds like garbage doesn't really make for good film soundtracks. (Unless it's horror) So, you end up with plenty of American FILM composers making music in the style of 19th century romantic music whilst American composers outside of Hollywood make either atonal garbage or half-decent minimalist music.

Basically, America had little time to develop it's own national, regional, and local cultures before the chestburster of globalist capitalism popped right out of it's chest whilst the vultures of the degenerate "intellectuals" dissect and chew on the corpse.

So he was not like Steppenwolf and stayed a know it all faggot for the rest of his life?

Jazz is great dude, especially rock jazz

who is the semen demon I see getting posted around?

Am I guilty for liking an aristocrat exiled by Bolshevism and his music (Rachmaninoff)?

When are babbies going to stop whining about contemporary art?

filtered to

Degeneration is fun
Modernism is fun spirituality

Dubs and Hesse = best friend

No, I like him too, don't worry.

this tbqh. Lots of contemporary stuff is good, for example, Philip Glass and Steve Reich. There are some good 21st century pieces even.

Pseudointellectual art is pretentious shit. The art that truly defines our time is popular media, for all its faults at least it's understandable and doesn't need to be explained before it becomes meaningful.

Ok fags why is jazz good ?
The structure musical semantics? how far can jazz push the tonal duality ?
To witch degree the musical ambiguity and musical metaphors can jazz contain ?
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Well that is a little bit too much

Never…..

Some jazz is good, some jazz is bad. What music do you like? I find that discussing music without a reference point is really difficult. If I know what you like, I can try to argue why I like it. I don't think I can convince you that it's great but I think I can convince you that it offers something positive to the musical canon.

Music.

then have a theory

Go ahead i am super interested

Don't be obtuse, my dude. Give me something to work with here.

Don't be obtuse, my dude. Give me something to work with here.

Jazz uses modes/chordal progressions in a way abscent from every other style of music before it. It's able to combine the improvisational nature of blues, which the nuance within it expresses the essence of the person who performs it. It's able to create mutiple aesthetics at once without loosing musical coherency, being able to switch between the erratic, atonal and structureless back to the melodic, structured and lucid. Just like classical, the same piece and possibly the same measure it able to express feelings such as melancholy and hopefulness simultaneously. It's just a wonderful style of music, there are so many subgenres within jazz that take the chordal and melodic ideas in a myraid of directions without scaraficing its core essence.

The bourgeois own nothing. The only thing intrinsically linked to bourgeois, is anything promoting bourgeois ideology. Musical notes can't do that. The abhorrently rich may have claimed classical music, fine art and theatre, but that makes it no less theirs than a toddler saying "mine". Those proles who are interested in classical arts should work towards liberating them from the clutches of the capitalist class.

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HHHHAHAHAHAHAHHH! unintentional micking.

I love Co🍀🍀🍀trane

Capitalism destroyed classical music, especially with the advent of consumer society. If anything, classical music is aristocratic, both historically and in the noble sense. The reason a lot of porkies listen to classical music is because they like to simulate their own "high status", primarily to themselves in my experience.

youtube.com/watch?v=XrjexLcQp1s
Okay.

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You need to meet more people, probably go to a real concert

man, you two are uncultures swines

You making yourself look like a retard
wew

Post patrician jazz only

youtube.com/watch?v=xbZIiom9rDA

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using a reaction image of a composer who enjoyed jazz.

So you're autistic

this.

What makes classical music so good? It all sounds like shit to me.

The working class must assimilate all the good from all human culture, including bourgeois culture, if it is to advance human culture beyond class society.