To which I responded with:
Of course, the traitor is the plague. But instead of purging the party of the undesirable elements, you’d opt to disband and remove yourself from the party altogether before any attempt at winning the culture war has been made. Like I said, it is purely defeatist. “It’s not hard to imagine a scenario in which both the left and “right” refuse to work with “racists” during a conflict”
You’re missing my point, the entire movement is to make them all “racist”. Once they are ideologically united, it is only a matter of time.
“I do not think nationalism is a bad thing per se; my problem is that scattered minorities of Europeans and Eurocolonials demanding they be given control of a state so they can deport millions of people isn’t working, not even on their intended audience of fellow white people. It hasn’t worked for decades.”
Decades since the last time it did. The problem with this entire system is that it vehemently denies the possibility for a “blood and soil” nationalist political climate to ever arise again. The Overton window is not some one-way street, it is a pendulum that shifts given the circumstance. But it must be shifted with work, as well (I ask not for lighter weights, but for broader shoulders, so to speak). It always rises up when nobody thinks it will because of effort and utilizing the circumstances available.
“White nationalism is not new and neither is advocating for it. “National socialist” movements in the United States and Europe are not new either.”
I never said they weren’t new. They have existed for some time, but have faded into irrelevancy because they have been forgotten: there is no contesting that. The point is that they existed, and Rockwell’s “hate bus” was certainly met with a different reaction that it would be today. The issue is that you see the pendulum swing high up on one end and become blackpilled. All that means is that when it swings back, it will do so with lots of potential energy to spare.
“Nationalists are focusing on what they would do WITH power when they are people utterly WITHOUT power.”
If Trump does nothing else and becomes another Zionist, erecting the Wall will do more for nationalist movements than anything else.
“People who are both locked out of the demo-bureaucratic state as an interest group and lacking actual real-world communities are not going to change the direction of things, nor will they survive the direction things are headed in.”
See, this is where I agree with you. If your whole point is to push for some interest groups when whites become a minority, then that’s only reasonable. But it is a last resort and is set on the assumption that nobody will be able to tell the sleeping gentile that he is nothing more than a frog in boiling water. If you can get him to notice that, then you have won.
“I think that’s fairly straightforward. If there are…”
But it isn’t just waxing poetic for the sake of reviving the “good old days”. There is a great effort underway to push for newer generations to become much more conservative-minded. People are working very hard for their nation. This doesn’t change the fact that many are not, but white males have always been voting right. All that needs to occur is that the cuckoos who have replaced actual pro-white conservatives must be ejected from the nest.
Some more clarifying questions: is this entire movement just advocacy for whites to operate like non-whites once they become a minority? By that, I mean forming white ghettos (not in the sense of poverty, but an all-white area), sticking by their own culture, preserving their lineage, etc. Basically, like you mentioned in the OP, “sub/trans-nationalism” (or nationalism underneath/beyond ‘x’, which is, in this context I assume, the non-white majority’s nationalist sentiments).
If you’re basically just advocating for Amish communities (in that they are all-white) in a sea of non-whites, then the exact same critique you raise against my points can be extended to yours: what makes you think the fifth column will allow you to exist as you do? They will launch campaigns against your villages of whites just as the Jewish Old Bolsheviks launched a war against “anti-Semitism”.
To summarize, it is disadvantageous, but still tactically sound (as a fall-back plan), to push for a game plan once whites become a minority, because at that point, they will already be lost. It will be a losing man’s game and only a matter of time. The entire point should be to avoid whites becoming a minority by following the first paragraph of my response. See: youtube.com/watch?v=1mZx787Htrc. Even now, while whites are a majority, the same critiques you raise are extended against them. What makes you think they will not exist once whites hold no power? You will just be sitting ducks, which is why it is defeatist.
