Can Holla Forums name any games with decent writing?

Can Holla Forums name any games with decent writing?

It doesn't have to be a new or original story, certainly not "save the world" epic (so sick of that shit) it just has to be well-written enough to make you actually care about the characters and to want to keep playing.

I'm so sick of fan-fic tier writing in gaming, there has to be something decent out there I've missed. Right?

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Bad Company 1 is a pretty good "war romp" game, good sense of camaraderie. 2 has it's moments, but is generally more generic. The hippy chopper pilot is great fun, though.

Ghostbusters the game was written and voice acted by the same guys as the films, so it's just as enjoyable as those were.

Have you played Legacy of Kain?

My taste is most likely shit, but I found the characters in KOTOR 2 fascinating

Not sure what level of writing you're looking for, but I liked Ghost Tricks writing quite a bit. The plot and fun characters kept me playing it so much I did it all in one sitting.

Banner Saga (1 and 2)
Planescape: Torment
Spec Ops: The Line
Command & Conquer series
Phoenix Wright
Danganronpa
Undertale
The Witcher series
Metal Gear Solid series
Legacy of Kain
The World Ends With You
Republic Commando
Deus Ex series

Do you like lore/diary stuff and environmental storytelling, OP? I can recommend Metroid Prime for you, if so.

Breath of Fire 3

Play some old school Sierra style games. Pretty much up until 2004 they had at least B level writing. Worst thing is that the games themselves could be frustrating as fuck in terms of puzzle design so ignore that, get a walkthrough and just appreciate clever puzzles that require moon logic.

If you don't need amazing stories buy want something acceptable try the games done by that 999 guy. I think they are massively ouy spoken but whatever.

If you want bonkers tard story go for Deadly Premonition.

If you want an incompetent story but is at least pretty to look at play Evil Within.

If you need too much fucking story shut up play Metal Gear Solid 2/3.

For me personally I would recommend:VTMB, Shadowrun hairbrained trilogy (the first is the worst one by far), pillars of eternity, NOX, Planescape torment, Fallout Vegas, System Shock 2, Nwn 2.

Just like read a book nigga. Watch an opera. Attend a play.

Planet Escape: Tournament was pretty good.

Trails in the Sky
Half Minute Hero (I'm serious)
Ghost Trick

I kinda liked all the too much story shut up in MGS2 once I got into it a bit. A few specific parts of the story combined with a few specific songs made a damn strong impression on me.

Second sight had a pretty good twist at the end.

Bungie's Marathon series has fantastic writing. Since it's free now, go play it. alephone.lhowon.org/

I found Binary Domain to have likeable characters

This pom knows what's up.

Fallout
Fallout: Tactics
Fallout 2
Fallout: New Vegas
Metro 2033
Metro: Last Light
The S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Series
Bungie's Halo
Wasteland 2

Games are not and rarely ever are a storytelling medium. Play games for the gameplay, writing is secondary.

MGS is just prophetic sociopolitical ideas rapped around a batshit lore that constantly retcons shit. The actual writing and characterization in MGS games is laughable.

The Line is trash for culturally illiterate faggots who never read Heart of Darkness or seen Apocalypse Now.

Witcher 3's main story might be more or less average(though still above it's shitty competitors), but Hearts of Stone has probably the best written story I've seen in a game since PST

Zero Time Dilemma just came out/will come out soon, so now's a good time to catch up on the series

Arcanum.

You have a very specific taste in games.


KOTOR2
The Witcher

Ironically, they're both basically fan-fic.

You say "just prophetic sociopolitical ideas" as if that's not a selling point.
It has absurd moments but also stellar moments. Either way, how can you argue that individual games like Snake Eater aren't fun?

Read it, seen it. The Line did a great job adapting the idea to a linear gameplay narrative. You're going to have to try harder if you want to convince anyone it's not well written.

The oculus rift was meant for porn

My nigger.

Reroll for triple 7's.

Yes.
Alright then.
Yes.
Sure.

Nigger what the fuck is wrong with you?


kek Everything from the dialogue to the characters (and what passes for character development) is really poorly written in MGS.


Are you Winston Rowntree by any chance?

My nigga right here.

Fallout 2's story sucked.

I don't see how that's goalpost changing, but sure.

Are you DSP?

Terranigma
Shadow of the Colossus
Virtue's Last Reward
Nier
FFX


Video games aren't art, faggot. It wasn't Heart of Darkness but it was pretty good.

Having advanced ideas for its time does not make MGS well written. Its dialogue is absolutely atrocious and rife with redundency, and its tone and pacing are all over the place. It somehow manages to get even worse with each game (though I haven't played TPP yet).

Legacy of Kain
Eternal Darkness
Red Dead Redemption

smh fam just smh

Yeah, I've just finished HoS and it was really good, I was hoping for something of similar quality.

Best game stories are the emergent ones created through your own gameplay experiences.

Devs haven't figured this out yet. They still think we want to watch TV in between gameplay chunks with their shit exposition.

Blood and Wine is solid too. It's a better game overall to be sure but it can't hold a candle to Hearts of Stone's writing. CDPR are the industry leaders at believable character development in my opinion.

Of ones not mentioned yet, Grandia II and Xenoblade (first), but both are SAVE THE WORLD tier

Grandia II really makes you care for the characters, Xenoblade less so

Any Vanillaware game
1-Odin Sphere
2-Grimgrimoire
3-Muramasa the demon blade

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Good writing if you've only ever read Goosebumps, perhaps.

I agree. The "shit" isn't necessary since all weeb trash is inherently shit.

Resident Evil was also pretty good for this.


Obviously you would know, since your extremely dismissive attitude tells me that you'd never even try playing one of those games.

I don't think I could point to any game and claim that it has decent writing, but I could list some that had me caring for the characters and the world around them.


That's about all I can think of right now.


The only series that I can think of that fit that description would be Total War and Grand Strategy games.

I played it a bit further, but dropped it after a while.
It's not very interesting to play if it gives me one character that I find appealing and then forces on me another that I can't stand.
MGS2 gave me the same feeling, but at least it had good gameplay and Gayden might even grow on you after a while.

End your gf's life.

Maybe they're slightly more casual compared to their predecessors, but they're not bad games.

BaW has pretty awful writing, as far as the main questline goes

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were you playing the remake or ps2 odin sphere?

Compared to the main game, or games in general? I haven't tried any of the DLC and I probably won't, but it would be interesting if the writing dropped very far from Main game to DLC.

The PS2 version.
I have no idea if anything is different in the remake.

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On 4/20, other smoke blunts, I some Jews.

i havent picked it up yet, but it looks absurdly different
im surprised you hated bunny though, felt like an upgraded valkyrie to me.

I guess there's always next year.


I'm waiting for my waifus, Mr. Trump.

RIP all our fallen brethren

Compared to the main game
Aside from one or two exceptions, the characters are boring and the plot is driven by their inexplicably stupid decisions

Superbigbomb or whatever was always trash, but he was ok.

He knew

Oh alright. I liked Witcher 3, but some of the characters really pissed me of. Still miles better writing wise than anything else in the medium released in the last 10 years anyway. Which is kinda sad since a lot of it is hust "muh ebil rayssist" and The wild hunt was just a bunch of faggy elves

And the Jews killed him for it. RIP legend.

;_;
at least we still got V-bomb and Patrick Klepek (hopefully) has HIV from all the purple-haired dugongs he slurped.

It felt like a "downgrade," so to say.
You go from controlling a powerful mythological figure to a hare.

Must be pretty lonely.

Stormfags pls go

How about a game with basically no writing, then? Mirror's Edge is a nice slice of someone's life in this dystopian future. Not extra crazy "Save us all, foretold hero!" But also not just 100% bland shit.


Some of your complaints about the battle system might be fixed if you care to pick up the remake. If you just can't stand bunny man, then I don't blame you for stopping, but there are several other characters you're missing out on.

pls dont trigger me today i'm busy

K.

Oh man, you are going to have to try harder. I'll give you this response as a favor, but if you want another you will have to step up your game okay?

Thank you.

This is subjective as fuck. I could say Witcher 3 and mgsv had good writing. And some people will agree and others will disagree.

Reddit, you can leave whenever you want. Must be rough to live a life so full of hate while we're over here loving our nation, people, and culture.

What's the best edition of that book?

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The manga.

Ford I think? I have some random edition I picked up from years ago. Never bothered to search out others. I can't help but laugh at how we live in a world where people will accuse MK of being full of hate and genocidal rantings but then say that the Quran is a work of beauty and peace.


kek

He did give up art, did he not? If he had had what it took to be an artist he wouldn't have stopped at the Vienna rejection and maybe he would have drawn something more interesting than buildings.

Wasn't there actually a manga about Hitler or something?

and thats why youre stormfags

There's Message to Adolf by Tezuka, but it doesn't really focuses on Hitler. Still, it's pretty good.

There was, but it was
SHUT DOWN
btw, does anyone have the non-thumbnail non-chink version of this part?

>>>Holla Forums

Out of all the things, you could at least admit that he had a massive exulted opinion of himself.

Are you an impressionist? If so you need to gas yourself for ruining art and setting the foundations for it to become a money laundering ponzi scheme.
Was a decent book I'll admit, considering his credentials in writing, but it's heavily flawed. Too much time blaming internal issues on external problems. Always some boogeyman's fault despite plenty of evidence saying otherwise. Literally 3rd wave feminism.

So are you just going to sit there and cry "hurr ur just a hater" now or what?
Hahaha, don't kid yourself. The German people gave up their freedoms and suffered the consequences for it.
You aren't German either, and if you were, you wouldn't be loving your people or culture right now considering the cuckold state you people continue to leave your country in.


Despite everything said, I'd still read this.

there is the manga adaptation of mein kampf, but I think it never got finished, at least not translated ←- this one
and there is that one with all the politicians, in which Hitler becomes the legendary super Aryan.

VA-11 Hall-A was pretty cool

Funny how this evidence is never presented, almost as if it doesn't exist.
Life under Jewish tyranny is not freedom.

On your next post you will use "da-joos"

The jews came into Japan and demanded the authors stopped what they were doing. History is dangerous, goy.
I think Holla Forums has the translated version in its entirety, but all I can find is a handful of pages.


You obviously don't know art. Stop pretending.

Wasn't the dev am sjw?

Yeah, it was never completed, and most translations got shoad off most sites. You can find it and someone on Holla Forums posted it not to long ago. The Jews fear the samurai.

I thought der juden feared za samurai

Did they pressure the mangaka, or did they just go to his publisher and tell them to shut it down? Either way I'm sure it was purely a coincidence :^)

Oh yeah i'm sure it was his initiative, he probably even wrote that song himself while crushing baby jews with his bare hands.

Horrible.


The people were seeing him a like that so no reason to not use that as propaganda. The best propaganda is the truth.

Why do you think they needed it gone? Nothing strikes fear into their small, black hearts like anime and manga.

I don't remember the story, but I think they put pressure on the publisher.
Here's a translated bit.

Name one reason why national socialism is good for the U.S.A. without mentioning buzzwords like jews, Adolf, or degeneracy.

What is it with you leftists and not putting two and two together. He didn't get into art school because they felt he belonged in a technical school, something he couldn't work out because he never focused on actual schooling. He 'left art' to enter politics like he entered the military, to fight for millions of his people and the future of millions more in Europe against Marxism.

Nigga, u dumb.


Collect your feefees at the door.


Oh nigga, you have to dish out some tasty can of worms, don't you?

My poor sad fuck of a friend, do you know who Goebbels was? Do you know what his purpose was?
If you were even capable of thought, you'd be thinking of Mussolini.
You don't know shit, read above for an explanation on that. And if you want to talk about the degradation of art, which National Socialist Germany fought against, you're blaming the wrong people.
I know you leftists are fucking retarded on your history, so let me drop you a little help. Marxism/Communism/Bolshevism, all that fun fantasy bullshit you guys jerk off over had been seeping into Europe by the time WWI went down. This ain't MUH CONSPIRACY, this is documented shit of Socialists and Anarchists killing people and politicians, burning shit down, blowing shit up, and overthrowing governments. What you leftists savor as 'MUH WORKERS REVOLUTION!!!!' was only the enforcement of despotic regimes that actively functioned in cells spreading out into the region. Portions of Italy, for example, were completely run be Anarchist and Communist enclaves. Mussolini himself, who started as a prominent Socialist, was born in one such area.
tl;dr go fuck yourself
No, I'm responding as best I can to the developmentally challenged. You mad, Reddit?
They devoted themselves to a grace no other nation has before or since seen. The only reason that Germany is in the position it is now is because Italy dragged Germany into spheres it shouldn't have been, Hitler had a hard-on for Britain, Goring and other military leaders were lying to Hitler about their capabilities, Stalin was always preparing to military enter central Europe and thus forced the premature choice of war, and nobody knew the extent that the US was arming Russia.

Please, do respond with a witty comment to this poor stormfag, I fucking beg you.

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Oh you. Well, alright. I'm not American, but one of the greatest people in modern history, was. Check out his speech first on National Socialism, the American way.

how do you pretend you arent giga triggered when making a post like this?
hey you know youre supposed to be 18 to post on Holla Forums right? dont worry i wont tattle

Nigger, where is that coming from? I wasn't even being caustic or anything.

I'm not asking you to run the Olympics.

I agree that he's mad, but (you) didn't really give him a reason not to be.

I doubt your definition of Buzzwords. Also, did you watch the video?

Nobody will take you seriously unless you know who G. L. Rockwell is.
Faggot.

I asked a simple question, you subhumans.

The evidence is right fucking there in front of everyone. The Germans lost the war because their main ally Austria-Hungary was incredibly incompetent and was collapsing economically, militarily, and socially under the weight of it's many burdens. They were too slow to invest in Tanks and only actually fielded 4 in combat during the war, they were too slow to think of a better offensive doctrine, and because of fresh faced energetic American troops pouring in practically sealing the deal after they pissed off the US one too many times, the superior Britbong navy blockade preventing them from gaining supplies from foreign trade.

There are SO MANY reasons they lost the war. And the Jews weren't one of them.
Please, that government was too feeble and weak from lack of strong leadership and reparations forced on it by the Allies following the war, which crippled the economy and were forced to downgrade their military massively. Pride and business was at an all time low when an energetic charismatic man came along promising things would be better. The kicker? They actually were for a while, but most of these efforts were only to prepare the nation for a wartime economy and lost the people all of their actual freedoms as all other parties and disenting opinions were banned.

And you're obviously projecting. His art was called shit then, and it's still shit now. He never had the potential as an artist.

Your nation shouldn't have it's school children singing songs idolizing your nation's leader. Some fuck did this with Obama a few years ago of his own accord and everyone lost their shit. But I guess it's ok when the Nazi's do it.

The head of propaganda.
Hitler was a whiny bitch, with daddy issues that believed he was destined for greatness and that everyone else didn't understand his genius.
Reminder that most of the 3rd Reich's enemies were Capitalists.
Wew, opinion in the fucking trash.

Your question has been answered a bunch of times. You're not the first person to ask that. That's why you get such pithy replies.
you're not the smartest guy in the room

Ok. I don't care, I just gave you what you wanted.

I said you don't know about art because you said
No serious lover of art would say that.
Maybe you're just a try-hard?

First time I hear that. Gonna need some sauce on that and the song or it's just another "Hitler did [insert something that make him look bad like a demon here]".

Beneath a Steel Sky
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
LISA the Painful
Killer7

Oh shit, somehow forgot

Was a pretty fun game, I liked most of the puzzles

10/10 taste.

Ideas =/= well written stories

Snake Eater is a fun game mechanically but that's not what we're talking about. It's story is a fucking mess because of nearly single character changing alliances and covering up their motives two or three times over (which is funny since MGS2 has the same problem, yet people shat on it for that while 3 got a pass). This is only made worse by subsequent games that build on or just invert what see in MGS3, such as how Fox crew turn out to be some of the worst cunts in MGS lore, such as Zero and especially Paramedic.

MGSs overarching story is just a nonsensical train wreck, and it's obvious Kojima never planned it all out as he had no idea how successful the series would become, and with each game he constantly wrote himself into a corner.

Good taste.

As the United States is now, National Socialism would not function as intended.


If you aren't mad while denying your mad, you're not discussing politics on the internet right.


my bad


Yeah, and do you think that has anything to do with setting a leader's image to the masses?
lol, yeah okay, based on what
Gone from a streetrat to the leader of a nation that's still talked about seventy some years later, how was that wrong?
Again, lol, yeah okay, based on what? Pretty sure there's some projection there.
And? I'm sorry, let me correct myself then, beg pardon oh Mr. Capitalist on taking such offense on your bullshit that I mislabled you. A thousand pardons that I got that wrong.
So you're meming me for meming?

To fight against the spread of Communism, whose army in the Soviet Union was marching west. Why are you so conveniently ignoring these details?
SUCH AS? Not all of Germany was National Socialist, fyi. People still had the freedom of speech. Where do you think the majority of those Socialist and Anarchists went, just underground? Ran away? What about the option that they either joined the party or were satisfied that National Socialists were proving good on all their promises?
How is this a problem? How is one unified people a problem? When you grow up and live in an era where a specific violent ideology has spread through your region, how does it not make sense to ensure the strength of your people by stamping out that ideology and the people that carry it?

That is truly the greatest thing I have ever seen in my 29 years on this earth.

No

Fallout 1 is the first that comes to mind for me. The meeting with the Master alone blows the entirety of Bethesda's attempts out of the water. New Vegas is also good in terms of writing.

Legacy of Kain is also consistently good. The story of Dawn of War 1 & 2 is relatively straightforward, but the dialogue and voice acting are both pretty great.

nazi lolis are jew kryptonite

Our last bastion against Judaisms reign of terror.

S-source?

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So worth the 5 watch lists I got put on for downloading this.

id love to tell you but i dont have a damn clue

Are you even a NS lolicon?

Fuck, lets see what do I have to exchange.

I don't think that's how birds work.

That's posted in nearly every Webm thread. I sure hope that wasn't an attempt to impress me? I'll have you know I'm the loli champion of my local area.

How about this, it's pretty oscure.

Are you joking? I saw it posted here twice last week. Also, obscurity isn't more important than quality, remember that.

a reverse image search after uploading it to a dead board unspoilered and using the thumbnail got me:
Cream Lemon - Episode 14
EPName: Nalice Scramble
JPTitle: くりいむレモン


alright /a/sshole you had your fun

Thanks a lot for not being a cunt.

Have an obama singing Evanescence

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This image screams NTR.

One day you won't be a faggot, but it won't be today.

I fucking hate NTR,i'll do everything to avoid it.
And that image it give me this vibe of NTR so fucking strong

Hey, at least he could guess one of the tags. Every journey starts with a single step, right?

Alas, you have much to learn.

Aside from what everyone else has mentioned, I'd say that Bioshock and Bioshock 2 had great writing. Infinite sucked a bag of dicks all around and the actual gameplay in the first two Bioshocks was "good" at best but good lord that voice acting was incredible.

Because it's clear that you have not made any research of your own and can not build a proper argument of your own, all you can do is direct people to the same carefully crafted propaganda that convinced you.

Argue against that carefully crafted propaganda.

Nah fuck it.I'll avoid NTR until the day i die.
Only lovemaking for reproductive purpose for me.
And /ss/ and incest.

He asked me for a reason NS would work in America, I showed him a video of the most famous American National Socialist talking about how NS would work in America. If you need any further explaining, I'd be glad to give it, but I doubt you nor him actually watched the video. Also, you keep using the word propaganda like it is somehow inherently bad. Just because the video was made to convince you, doesn't mean that the thing it tries to convince you of is bad. Are you so scared of suddenly turning into a nazi by watching a you tube video? That says more about your lack of arguments than mine.

I used to post stuff like that, you know. Soon you will see the light.

Isn't NS economy's system unimpressive though?
For what i remember,without the war and so the added resources,the country would have failed to debt really fucking fast.


I disagree :^)

Disagree with what?

I think it depends on what you mean by good writing, seeing as it's you who needs to be satisfied. Simply using the five elements of fiction, we can try to determine what video games best fit your criteria.

The way that words are crafted for dialogue and descriptions, the way they are penned or acted on-screen, these fall under the element of style. If style is what you mean by good writing, then your best bet would probably be a Western-made video game; I'm assuming, of course, that you're going to be playing your video games in English.

Style is the primary concern of any writer undergoing formal training. Theme, setting, character, and plot - all of these can simply be given by another person to be used by the actual writer. At the end of the day, however, only the writer (and his editors) can determine the execution. This is why presentation, as opposed to substance, is given such heavy emphasis in writing courses. This is also why much of modern fiction can seem derivative or unoriginal - professional writers know they can simply steal each others' best ideas, and are resorting to outdoing each other using the same toolsets.

Regardless of whether you think this is good or bad, so long as your concern is with style, then it's better for you to start following professional Western writers rather than Japanese writers. Not only are English writers the more practised with using English, but the societal roots from which themes are drawn from will more likely be shared by them.

It's not to say that Japanese writers aren't concerned with style, or that they can't be familiar with Western nuances or traditions. It's just that Japanese writers must also become familiar with their own traditions and nuances when they undergo formal training, even the English majors (at least, this is the case for my country). While this may give a certain uniqueness to their literature, it is still very much an acquired taste. Expressing like for such taste is usually met with cries of weaboo.

As a commonly cited example for Japanese literary traditions and nuances, I will use those exact "world is ending/save the world" plotlines that you've just complained about.

In the Japanese society's consciousness, there still lies the losses of WW2. Air raids burning Tokyo to the ground to such an extent that the blown ashes of people were described as black snow; Mass suicides by civilians of Allied-occupied territories, having felt that they've failed in their sworn duty; The sheer shock of the atomic age ignited as both bombs fell; And at the end of it all, the emperor himself capitulated to save his people. For the Japanese of the time, the world had seemingly ended.

The Americas, for the most part, has not known such devastation. It did know fear during the Cold War, and its nose did get bloodied with things like Pearl Harbor and 9-11. However, it has never known what it's like to lose to the extent of hopelessness or loss of cultural identity. For the Japanese, on the other hand, a significant portion of their fiction is preoccupied with dealing with these issues - the Megami Tensei franchise and Yoko Taro games come to mind as video game examples.

While modern individuals do not have any actual faults or experiences with something that happened over 70 years ago, literature has this nasty habit of preserving these kinds of experiences. I'm not telling you to like these kinds of plotlines or anything, rather, I'm just explaining why it's so common in Japanese fiction.

Not only is there a cultural disconnect when it comes to themes and traditions, but Japanese writers must also contend with the translation process when presenting their style in English. A good Japanese writer, with a nuanced Kanji vocabulary, whose game receives an ill-fitting translator will still come off as a bad writer.

Going back to video games, many of the goto answers have been said. I'll just second those who are suggesting staple WRPGs (FO1/2, PS:T, Arcanum, etc.) if you haven't played them. I originally planned to also talk about character as well in helping determine a good game for OP, but holy shit this post is really long now.

Also, while I talked about style in the view of literature, gameplay and design would also fall under criteria of style if videogames are viewed as works of fiction. This would be a means of circumventing at least a little of the problems caused by nuances between languages - where appreiciation is tied to universally experienced phenomena such as with visual arts or musical arts. Games where the writing is tied-in with the gameplay, are able to communicate the writing in a way that is distinct from the actual words used in dialogue or descriptions. Of course, I think that's a discussion for another time altogether.


Vanillaware isn't really known for its writing.

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There is only one edition, the Stalag Edition, an official translation by an unnamed NSDAP member for English speaking prisoners.

Accept no substitutes.