What was going on in Mergo's Loft? What were the masked things? Why the frenzy...

Tyler Baker
Tyler Baker

What was going on in Mergo's Loft? What were the masked things? Why the frenzy inducing gaze? Why the dogbirds and birddogs?
And what is the Wet Nurse supposed to be? Who is Mergo?
Why do I have so many questions?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegare

Thomas Ross
Thomas Ross

Well the frenzy is caused by the Mother Brain. Didn't you see it?

Mergo is the baby, that crying woman in the white dress is its mother.

Jackson Watson
Jackson Watson

What was going on in Mergo's Loft?
Ritual of Mensis was summoning the gods by offering them a surrogate child from Yharnam's womb.

What were the masked things?
They're called "Mergo's Attendants".

Why the frenzy inducing gaze?
The Brain of Mensis is a low-level Great One that the School retrieved from the nightmare and then used as a security system.

Why the dogbirds and birddogs?
No idea

And what is the Wet Nurse supposed to be?
Who is Mergo?
Mergo is Yharnam's child and probably sired by the formless Oedon. Mergo's Wet Nurse is Mergo's wet nurse, it looks after Mergo in stead of Yharnam and Oedon.

Why do I have so many questions?
Play it a few more times and you'll have fewer questions.

I really hope you got the DLC so that you didn't have to end the game on one of the weakest levels. Bloodborne's my favorite in the series but I don't care for the Nightmare of Mensis at all.

Robert Gray
Robert Gray

In order:
Mergo's Loft was the site of the School of Mensis' research and rituals that attemptted to summon and control more Great Ones
The masked nooks were Attendants of Mergo, members of the School of Mensis that were lucky enough to not get destroyed or mutated when they summoned Mergo's ghost and Living Brain, and who were reduced to slaves and prisoners for them in their marooned tower
The Frenzy gaze of the Living Brain is simply it's unique power, the ultimate expression of both its grotesqueness and penchant for imparting eldritch knowledge. The Winter Lantern mobs were simply recreations of it
Dogbirds and birddogs were simply products of the Great Ones fucking everyone's shit up in the general vicinity, it was a Dream World inside a Dream World
the Wetnurse either a higher ranked Kin or a elevated Mensis scholar on par with Rom, meant to be the protector and link between Mergo's spirit and the living world
Mergo is the hybrid offspring of Formless Oeden and the Prhumerian Queen Yharnham, who died in the womb and was partially resurrected by Byrgenwerth or Mensis, creating the Hunt
Because you're dumb and don't read

Benjamin Brown
Benjamin Brown

the Wetnurse either a higher ranked Kin or a elevated Mensis scholar on par with Rom
There's no evidence to say that Rom was originally a Mensis scholar, the version of Rom seen in the game is Mother Kos' recreation of some unnamed Great One.

Oliver Evans
Oliver Evans

Does anyone have the MEGA link for the BB artbook?

Also for the DaS and DaSII artbooks too, if you have them

Levi Cook
Levi Cook

Wait, so who's the human on the bridge? It never even occurred to me to ask.

Carson Watson
Carson Watson

It's on exhentai, go figure.

Brody Hall
Brody Hall

Sorry no, the ones I have bookmarked are all dead links now.

Probably an agent of the Healing Church who came to stop Micolash. He was using a Church weapon, wore students' clothing and had a lot of sedatives on hand, so he was obviously prepared for the Nightmare. Whatever the Shadows of Yharnam are, it seems like they were on their way to stop the Wet Nurse also.

Jordan Gonzalez
Jordan Gonzalez

Reposted from the other thread, Codemonkey pls

What was going on in Mergo's Loft?
Mensis and #1 Host want to commune with newborn Great One Mergo, just like the guys at Byrgenwyrth once communed with Kos(?), to get mad brain gains.
Unfortunately Mergo's mother miscarried because Great Ones have issues with giving birth for some reason that didn't translate very well.
Moon Presence via Gehrman wants you to fuck shit up because they made a deal of some sort (Both Mommy Moon and The G and Mensis/Mergo) .

What were the masked things?
Handmaids. You're in Mensis' crib and they can dream up whatever the fuck they want to.

Why the frenzy inducing gaze?
Apparently they brought that back from one of their forays into the Catacombs.
Because they're edgy like that, they hung it up as lantern make life difficult for everybody, including themselves.
What they didn't think of is that human brains are simply too shitty for Cosmic Knowledge, so it gets really happy when somebody finally tries to communicate with it.

Why the dogbirds and birddogs?
I like to think that this is just Doge-kun's sense of humour.

And what is the Wet Nurse supposed to be?
Great One who looks after Mergo. You can't really see it because your Insight is never high enough.

Who is Mergo?
Great One, love child of Mensis and some Great One, probably Yharnam.
The crying child in the perambulator. Since you killed its wet nurse, it dies shortly after.
Gg faggot, you sure like smoking that Moon Presence dick.

Adam Cox
Adam Cox

because you're dumb and don't read
I didn't realize reading the wiki is the smart thing to do.

Levi Russell
Levi Russell

Moon Presence via Gehrman wants you to fuck shit up because they made a deal of some sort
Hard to say whether there was some kind of dispute between the Moon Presence and Oedon or if the Moon Presence is just a spectre of death who wants to kill all of the other Great Ones' surrogate children because it's a dick.

Not that any Lovecraftian deity's motives are supposed to be comprehensible to the human mind, but surely Miyazaki had something in mind when he wrote this and wasn't just throwing things out at random. The Great Ones' desire for offspring is certainly human and relatable.

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

The panda's been clutch in terms of uploading artbooks. There's even a tag for it that makes it easy peasy to get.

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

Magic Semen Man is way too abstract to comprehend, so trying to affix some worldly goal to it is moot - maybe it really just wanted to talk.
I think the most common idea is that Mom and Sugar Daddy conspired to - on his side - prevent the spread of the Nightmare, and - on its side - find a surrogate child.

surely Miyazaki had something in mind when he wrote this and wasn't just throwing things out at random
Probably, but it was lost in translation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegare
The thing is, you can't localise this shit, and just putting Shinto concepts into Lovecraftian Victorianism would be jarring, to put it mildly.
I don't blame them. Whoever translated Bloodborne did a fine job, there's really no way you can communicate this kind of stuff if you can't count on a specific cultural background.
Reading about this made some things a lot clearer. I especially like the uncanny implication that comes with the game making specifically you deal with all this stuff, and kind of explains the third ending.

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

I'm not even using it for Hentai any more nowadays.

Hudson Lee
Hudson Lee

I think the most common idea is that Mom and Sugar Daddy conspired to - on his side - prevent the spread of the Nightmare, and - on its side - find a surrogate child.
Mom being the Moon Presence and Sugar Daddy being Gehrman? Dad's side I can believe, Mom's not so much.

Whoever translated Bloodborne did a fine job, there's really no way you can communicate this kind of stuff if you can't count on a specific cultural background.
I don't think you necessarily need to reach outside of the game to its source material to understand the point of the ending and the Moon Presence's appearance. Blood is said to represent Oedon in some item descriptions and the Moon Presence obviously represents beasthood, and beasthood corrupting blood is seen all throughout the game. In the same way, blood can be seen both as the embodiment of life and the embodiment of death, just like Oedon and the Presence.

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

Did anyone else get the vibe that we were saving Mergo by the end?

I mean, think of Mensis so desperate for their old one abducting the infant and keeping it hostage via the Wet Nurse. I mean, what we can assume to be the mother is kind of just waiting there on the outside.

It just kind of felt like by killing the Wet Nurse we were severing the thing keeping Mergo captive away from its mother.

Chase Clark
Chase Clark

This fucking nigger every time with his god awful filters. Just fucking stop, jesus christ. Do you think that looks good? Are you 12? Are you Nicolas Refn?

Alexander Lee
Alexander Lee

I think fuck you.

Jason Parker
Jason Parker

more, just for you

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

What are you trying to accomplish?

Ethan Watson
Ethan Watson

These look like shit lebrodudeski.

Josiah Garcia
Josiah Garcia

They're not entirely awful. I can dig the neon vomit aesthetic. But they're not good, either, as he's gone a little too deep on the filters, making everything indistinct transitions from red to pink with occasional splashes of violet.

Alexander Ramirez
Alexander Ramirez

I feel like the moon presence was kind of disappointing. I mean, he's just a big hunched-over monster with tentacle hair. Amygdala was cooler-looking and more intimidating, because he at least had more than two arms. I guess I just expected something more unconventional, considering he's supposed to be the big kahuna of the great ones.

Aaron Collins
Aaron Collins

I always thought Rom was toying with the scholars and never imparted any knowledge on them, that's why they called it the vacuous spider.

Elijah James
Elijah James

I just figured the Moon Man was not averse to adopting a child (Gehrman, you) rather than creating one, so long as it had a competent assassin who could slay hunters AND great ones.

Joshua Roberts
Joshua Roberts

Maybe. In Japanese they apparently call him the Stupid Spider, not the Vacuous Spider, which may have just been because he seems inattentive and unresponsive. I don't think it's because he's withholding information, Rom can't speak and when he attacks he flails uncontrollably like a child or a wild animal, he really does seem a little stupid. Probably a poor imitation of the real thing.

It's a sinister take on it, since you, Gehrman, and the Doll are all said to be prisoners there.

Chase James
Chase James

Yeah I always assumed that Rom was just impossible to communicate with, and the prideful humans assumed it was "stupid". I guess they were used to things that could talk, after Ebriatas? Still no idea what Rom actually is.

I felt sorry for the Brain and wondered how they managed to enslave it when it can kill you telepathically. I guess maybe since they (Micolash & his goons) are already insane and in the nightmare, they're immune?

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

Rom can't speak and when he attacks he flails uncontrollably like a child or a wild animal
That's a bit more depressing than what I thought, I didn't know that communication was impossible with the creature. I assumed since Master Wilhelm is found near to where it can be found that he held some reverence for the thing and communication was made.

Mason Hall
Mason Hall

Still no idea what Rom actually is.
Probably a low-tier Great One like the Amygdala, or at least the version of it we see is. Like I said, I think Rom is a recreation of whatever is on the Altar of Despair, and may have either been an imperfect recreation or one of several.

If you think of the bosses repeated in the Chalice Dungeons (assuming you had the patience to make it through every one of them), they're all non-unique creatures. The Amygdala (one of many), the Celestial Emissary (one of many), the Darkbeast, the Beast-possessed Soul, the Abhorrent Beast, all creatures which are known to also exist elsewhere, in some number. Even Ebrietas, the fully-grown Celestial Child, is probably one of many fully-grown Celestial Children out there, so Rom's appearance in the dungeons seems like a deliberate choice.

I assumed since Master Wilhelm is found near to where it can be found that he held some reverence for the thing and communication was made.
Maybe, I'm still not sure what was going on there. They say that he left his secret with the lake, but one of the first notes in the game says that the Byrgenwerth spider is keeping their master from his students, so they can't be talking about Rom if people living in Yharnam know all about that.

And if you look at the concept art of Willem apparently he was originally intended to be melted and gelatinous like all of the students in the Nightmare School, so I'm not sure that he's capable of speaking or thinking anymore. Maybe he and Rom can communicate on a higher plane.

Joshua Fisher
Joshua Fisher

I assumed that Rom was unique, and that Ebriatas was just mourning her or hoping she'd come back to life somehow, though I'm not sure why they'd know or care about each other. That's a good take on it though, it makes sense.
I ragequit the Chalices at Defiled Amygdala. Got no time for that shit.

Gabriel Young
Gabriel Young

So in the end, is Bloodborne related to Demon's Souls in any way? I know in the alpha version, there was a boss who said "umbasa" when he killed you, but that was removed from the final version.

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