>That's a brutal response to an unfortunate game launch, especially considering...

Elijah Evans
Elijah Evans

That's a brutal response to an unfortunate game launch, especially considering Polygon editors and writers responded to my question about the last good Sonic game with the cold, dead eyes of the long betrayed.

Reminder that Mighty No 9 is lower than the two most worst Sonic games according to unbiased Metacritic user scores.

Reminder that a majority of Sonic games around 2010, according to Metacritic user scores, average around the 7 and 8 range with Generations from 2011 scoring 8.3, which is average compared to other IPs so it isn't much of a betrayal.

Reminder that the only Sonic game, according to Metacritic user scores, that was actually negative was Sonic Boom:Rise of Lyric, which was actually a cheap tie-in to a fucking cartoon, that was outsourced to a different company.

Reminder that Sonic Boom was shit because Sega were kikes to the devs and forced them to shit out the game and not because they delayed the game many times and stole $4 million dollars by banking entirely of nostalgia

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archive.is/M1tO9
youtube.com/watch?v=jbs56Hu-bd0
nichegamer.com/2016/06/21/mighty-no-9-owners-unhappy-performance-issues-console-bricking-bugs/
archive.is/GOFpv
tweetsave.com/somecallmejon/status/745151893282787330

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

Here's what you need to consider.
Sonic is an ongoing series with maybe 3 Four when bewm fire and ice sucks genuinely bad games. Sanic's greatest strength is that on average, it's okay. Not horrible. Not Oh my god terrible, but not holy fuck amazing.

Most of the Sanic is terrible holy shit meme came from hipsters who never heard of sonic before 2007

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

also Sonic isn't a blatant ripoff that only exists to pander to "REMEMBER THAT ONE GAME I LIKE TO BELIEVE IS OBSCURE DESPITE THE FACT IT HAD A CARTOON POPULAR YOUTUBE ECELEB VIDEOS ABOUT IT?!!?" secondaries.

Brody Wilson
Brody Wilson

the difference between Sega and MN9, is that MN9 used YOUR money to make a bad game. Sega used THEIR money to make a bad game.

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

And at least it wasn't delayed to hell and bad.

Lincoln King
Lincoln King

Most Sonic games are sitting just above average. You're right, the "Sonic is terrible" meme is from stupid hipsters. I didn't play Sonic until I got the Mega Collection on GameCube and those games are really good. It's the 3D games where they got into their slump of mediocrity. But it looks like their 25th anniversary project has much more thought put into it than Sonic 06, their 15th anniversary project.
Here's to hoping it'll turn around.

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

They're even willing to delay it to 2017 if it's necessary.

Julian Roberts
Julian Roberts

The soundtracks are pretty good.

I missed the classic games, but the 3D ones with pop rock in the background? The individual songs aren't too awful.

Joseph Richardson
Joseph Richardson

All the Mega Drive games are god tier thought.

Ayden Perry
Ayden Perry

I wonder how many cash-grab Megaman knock offs are gonna spring up in light of this, to cash in on despairing fans?

Or did it bomb SO bad, no one wants to even make a game like this for a while?

Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

I don't think this will stop knockoffs. It just exposes Inafune

Juan Morgan
Juan Morgan

Was Ifune involved with Legends 3? (Canning the project souly because of him)
Or is that turd purely on Capcom?

Christopher Stewart
Christopher Stewart

reminder that sonic was just quoting inafune and concept

Matthew Foster
Matthew Foster

ACKSHULLY, the Boom game was supposed the launch of a whole new Sonic line, but then the cartoon turned out to be the best thing to come from it
I'd say 'pretty good' is an understatement.

Hudson Ward
Hudson Ward

Here's hoping the July 22nd announcement is a new Sonic game as opposed to Sonic Boom.

Carson Fisher
Carson Fisher

To be fair I wouldn't use metacritic user scores to determine a game's quality, especially when said game has hordes of literal autists backing it up who would rate it a 10/10 despite not even playing it

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

tfw you will never Ska Cha Cha with the best of them

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

"Journalists" can try to bring up Boom/2006 all they want, but they're at least god tier speedrunninh games.

A guy from Deep Silver said the quote, not inajewne

Joshua Stewart
Joshua Stewart

The Sonic Rush OST maker was the guy who did Jet Set Radio IIRC.

Justin Price
Justin Price

06 is too unpredictable for that
i can't speak for boom, though

Jacob Cruz
Jacob Cruz

I think it's a pretty safe bet it's going to be a game.

Brandon Bailey
Brandon Bailey

06 is too unpredictable for that
Nigga tons of people run Sonic 06, even if it's unpredictable people still run that game to death.

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

Yeah, he also did the soundtrack to Air Gear and the first ED of Gintama
youtu.be/oGBOxMCPRNo

Henry Bailey
Henry Bailey

making assumptions

Jason Bennett
Jason Bennett

Reminder that slut bat is best Sonic girl

A guy from Deep Silver said the quote, not inajewne
He works for FanGamer and he's a translator. He translated Inafune's message.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

Sonic 06 had good music and decent-ish level design. There was effort put into it and it isn't terrible; it's just that the gameplay is so buggy and clunky and unfinished. It's still a decent..ish game though. Nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.

Sonic Lost World was actually incredibly solid; flawed in a few areas but holy shit Sega was getting it together with that one. Generations was absolutely amazing as well. Boom looks pretty bad honestly but I still got a kick out of how bad it was at points, unlike MN9 which, while provides a few laughs, is a boring bad game in the long run.

Being a funny bad game doesn't excuse the game from being bad though. Fuck I've never played Boom so my opinion doesn't really count, I just sorta feel like it's really unrefined and fucky from what I've seen of it. Lost World is pretty underrated though; feels like a Genesis Sonic game and one of my Sonicfag friends said that it's more nostalgic than Generations due to the fact that it seems legit like an adventure Classic Sonic would have.

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

They also put in alot of nods to the classics, specifically the enemies they place in it.

Owen Reed
Owen Reed

Sonic 06 had good music and decent-ish level design. There was effort put into it and it isn't terrible; it's just that the gameplay is so buggy and clunky and unfinished. It's still a decent..ish game though. Nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.
06 is shit. You don't need to defend everything sonic does just because SJWs attacked him for a tweet

Parker Price
Parker Price

This. I think people tend to forget sonic 06 is around ==15 hours long.==

Joseph Russell
Joseph Russell

Cream the rabbit

Camden Reed
Camden Reed

I'd like to say that it's surprising that Sonic-fags can be so autistic over one franchise, what I'm more surprised about though is the fact that this thread has been up for two-ish hours and it hasn't degenerated into cancerous furfag territory.
I'm impressed.

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

Id cream her rabbit hole

Charles Cox
Charles Cox

Sonic 06 had a good first level, but I couldn't stand the rest of the game.

Jose Hill
Jose Hill

No, he's right about the music. Even the worst sonic games still have good music [barring that one DS RPG]

Caleb Barnes
Caleb Barnes

Maybe I spoke too soon

Matthew Martinez
Matthew Martinez

he's right about the music
That goes without saying

Julian Gomez
Julian Gomez

flat cat>fat bat

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

slut bat is best Sonic girl

But Amys not a bat.

Cameron Morales
Cameron Morales

decent-ish level design
No. There's a shit ton of padding and little direction in several of the levels.

Of course this is also on top of the shitty filler missions they force you to play (especially in the Sonic campaign), campaigns somehow more repetitive than the ones in previous 3D Sonic games, and the garbage story. It's a horrible game through and through.

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

That sonic twitter is still doing this
FUCKING SAVAGE

Cameron Butler
Cameron Butler

A guy from Deep Silver said the quote, not inajewne

He was quoting Inafune you fucking dope. Nice to see you believe the Jewish media.

Angel Walker
Angel Walker

He was quoting Inafune you fucking dope. Nice to see you believe the Jewish media.
That whole did the translator Judd(?) add his own stupid comment or was he translating 1:1 from Inafundme, is itself a microcosm of fuckups in a galaxy of fuckups.

Owen Phillips
Owen Phillips

This guy is a topnotch shitposter. He also interacts with other companies and has a particularly relationship with the Deus Ex account.
twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/746396701250838528

Carson Butler
Carson Butler

Well, get too it. You know why we are here.

Hudson Anderson
Hudson Anderson

Sonic and the Glass House
At least he actually spent money to put in glass.

Alexander Reyes
Alexander Reyes

That's how twitter goes, thinking up snappy comebacks is their life. When they can't think of anything, they resort to posting one of their many gifs featuring a confused/condescending nigger or girl.

I honestly experienced more overall fuckery playing through Heroes than I did with '06 and it's not a case of selective memory because I played them both for the first time back to back very recently. The only truly frustrating part of '06 was the real final level, even the mach sections weren't anywhere near as bad as they're made out to be. But Heroes, holy fucking shit. I was afraid of doing anything near any sort of ledge for fear of sliding over it and losing a precious life. I even somehow ended up grinding so fast on one of the vine "rails" in the first jungle level that I outpaced the rate it was growing at and slid off to my death. I will never understand how absolutely nobody complains about that game, it's so much worse in every way.

Logan Green
Logan Green

"3d sonic sucks" is a meme. In reality the games are a mixed bag

Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

You didn't switch to the two slower characters?
Like it tells you in the first stage?

Daniel Price
Daniel Price

Sometimes he get help

David Taylor
David Taylor

you get to bring friends

Camden Clark
Camden Clark

Hey did they ever bring back the old dough recipe for digiorno?
I haven't had that kind of pizza since like 2003

Luke Thomas
Luke Thomas

You know, this is what really makes it beautiful. One professional shitposter is all well and good, but camaraderie of professional shitposters is truly a little wonder of the modern age.

Michael Rodriguez
Michael Rodriguez

Is this how far we've come? People will claim the garbage Sonic games are actually pretty good just to spite SJWs?
Sonic has always been awful in 3D, and was only decent in 2D.

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

Are you referring to the ledge comment? Because even as Knuckles/Omega, you slide like hell every time you attack, attacking at the wrong angle results in weird interactions where you wrap around the enemy and potentially slingshot over the ledge or end up behind them, then knocked back over the ledge from their attack. Yes, I switched very often and just about always used the proper character according to the signs. I hope you're not talking about the outpacing the rail complaint, because I'm pretty sure the game advises you to use a speed character on those.

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

a game about going fast can only be good if you can't see what's ahead of you.

Christian Peterson
Christian Peterson

Sonic Generations is alright. I hated all other 3D Sonic games I've played.

Luis Price
Luis Price

Who are you quoting?

Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

Don't know actually, I prefer the personal pies

Mason Rodriguez
Mason Rodriguez

Same dough recipe probably, around 2003 they changed up a bit, less salt or something. Not so good anymore.

Luis Parker
Luis Parker

HERE I CUM, ROUGHER THAN THE REST OF THEM

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

One thing I tell people: "Does it have awesome music but mediocre gameplay? You're probably playing a Sega game." IMO this generally works for anything during and after Dreamcast.

Aiden Sanders
Aiden Sanders

I beg to differ. Most levels in Sonic Adventure 1 were incredibly solid.

SA2, however, can be a real slog with the knuckles and rouge levels

Benjamin Torres
Benjamin Torres

Better version.

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

No Satan, they are just saying that SJWs are somehow worse than 3D Sonic games.

Jacob Jenkins
Jacob Jenkins

Only crap games I've played for Sonic were spinoffs or lesser-known ones like that Master System one with Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic Blast I think it was called, though Heroes wasn't really too great. Everything else is either unpolished, plain unfinished or has its ups and downs.

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

This. Only alright 3D games are Adventure 1 (at most levels) and Generations.

Isaac Anderson
Isaac Anderson

flat
GAY
A
Y

James Martinez
James Martinez

Sega needs to bring back 2d Sonic like Nintendo brought back Donkey Kong Country.

Two games I want to see more than anything is another 2d Metroid and another 2d Sonic.

Christian Gomez
Christian Gomez

They already did.
they were shit.

Oliver Ross
Oliver Ross

What I've played of episode 2 was pretty good though the first one dropped the fucking ball

Wyatt Wilson
Wyatt Wilson

Episode 2 was pretty mediocre and forgettable. The games are still nostalgic cash grabs rather than an actual sonic 4 people were asking for.

Jack Turner
Jack Turner

Yeah, it's ridiculous the kind of crap Sonic gets for having just a few mediocre games and the people trying to defend Mighty Number Scam should be ashamed of themselves. SEGA can still make a decent Sonic game when it can muster up the talent, even if they never match the glory of Sonic's golden era, and at least with the bad ones, SEGA didn't con their fans out 4 million dollars before they used only like 800k of it to actually make the game they promised while using the rest for new staplers at the SEGA studio

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

meme

Juan Hall
Juan Hall

How about the fact that MN9 was crowdfunded by complete idiots?

There's a major difference between a company using their own investment money to make shit games and a company begging the public to give them the money to make a shit game.

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

I unironicly like the Knuckles raps. I also love SA1 despite acknowledging that it's a pretty bad game.
Big the Cat is my favourite sonic character

Nathaniel James
Nathaniel James

What hair product is she using?

James Miller
James Miller

not posting the full version of the original edit

Matthew Foster
Matthew Foster

SA2 Knuckles Rap
Not Pumpkin Hill

Juan Flores
Juan Flores

Whatever product other RPG heroes on the run from society or generally wandering about use.

David Cook
David Cook

Nah, different hair products work differently. You can get Goku's hair with just a ton of gel, but Lightning seems like a different case.

Isaac Morris
Isaac Morris

not a webm I can save and watch again and again

Christopher Adams
Christopher Adams

What about Shadow the Hedgehog? That game has a shit OST, it's too fucking edgy.

Josiah Cook
Josiah Cook

But SA2 had the Chao Garden. I would have bought the game if that had been the only feature, to be honest.

Angel Flores
Angel Flores

Blaze is not for sexual

Michael Torres
Michael Torres

I preferred Rouge's r&b music more

Joshua Gonzalez
Joshua Gonzalez

We Rouge now?

Juan Robinson
Juan Robinson

Yes

Carter Gutierrez
Carter Gutierrez

Stop making me consider starting a bat tits folder.

William Bennett
William Bennett

Oh my fuck…

Justin Russell
Justin Russell

The main problem with Sonic is not because, according to these "journalists", most of Sonic's games are pure shit because because he isn't Nintendo. It's because most of his games from the most meh to their worst gives off the reaction "If they added X, this would've really stood out besides being high quality!" Why do you think there are so many 06 defenders? Because 06 sounded like a good idea if you took out most of the bad writing and refined the gameplay. Probably not a magnum opus but still a game worth checking out. This is why "Sonic is the worst video game character" spiel pisses me off. The gaming media are more welcoming to crap that literally don't give a shit and doesn't really give something to offer like nostalgia bait, yet they're so anal about this guy? Why?

Wyatt Lopez
Wyatt Lopez

Oh it could be that anons have different opinions from what the majority thinks

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

Maybe it's because Sega tries to do different stuff with "mainline" Sonic games. Mario by and large has been exactly the same goddamn thing since SMB on the NES, save for Mario 64 which despite being the first 3D Mario game was really good (and opened up the field for other 3D Marios like Sunshine and Galaxy).

Ryder Peterson
Ryder Peterson

At least Sega spent their own money and not other people's

Isaiah Howard
Isaiah Howard

exactly the same goddamn thing
I mean, it's always been platforming, but that's disingenuous at best.

Super Mario Bros. 2 focused on vertical movement instead of lateral and relied on throwing objects instead of jumping while also giving the player multiple play styles to choose from
Super Mario Bros. 3 introduced the idea of multiple worlds with paths and a myriad of power ups and secrets
Super Mario World created a cohesive world that you could save
Super Mario Sunshine introduced the FLUDD as an advanced movement technique
Super Mario Galaxy used gravity and three dimensional movement to its fullest capacity
New Super Mario World combined a three dimensional world with old fashioned platforming and multiple worlds while giving the players multiple play styles and fostering a competitive multiplayer component

Sure, there have been a few games that are the same, mostly the New Super Mario Bros X., but Mario does change the formula in every major outing. The changes are rarely as extreme as in Werehog, but most of the differences in Sonic games aren't as extreme either.

Hell, even Shadow the Hedgehog has most of the same mechanics from SA 2, but with the addition of guns and vehicles.

Cooper Hernandez
Cooper Hernandez

Did you see the one where Razer shat on MN9 with sonic?

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

I don't play jap/console games but I've seen Megaman mentioned on Holla Forums for years and may as well ask now, what kind of games are they and what's their general deal? Because Holla Forums's peasant population apparently holds them in very high regard.

Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

You must not play any games to not know about Mega Man.

Luke Rivera
Luke Rivera

I don't play jap/console games so why would I know about it? That's why I'm asking, what's it about.

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

Google it.

That's a shitty excuse for not knowing about Mega Man. You might as well ask what Street Fighter is or who Sonic is. Are you like 5 years old?

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

Not knowing about megaman
being on Holla Forums and never hearing a single word about megaman
Sure is summer in here. Gotta love the shitloads of reddit fags and underage posters

Cameron Gutierrez
Cameron Gutierrez

Holla Forums's peasant population
Cute.

Megaman is from an era before PC gaming existed. Lurk before you post, newfag.

Nicholas Brown
Nicholas Brown

Emulate them.

Jack Hernandez
Jack Hernandez

this doesn't even deserve a bait image. 0/10 apply yourself.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

Actually it was around when PC gaming existed

Of we don't talk about Mega Man on PC, especially those early games

Henry James
Henry James

That's the thing, how the fuck is lurking going to solve not knowing one of the most iconic game series of all time. My mother isn't even a gamer and she knows what megaman is.

Christian Carter
Christian Carter

When will Bethesda buy the Mega Man license, Todd?

Lincoln Long
Lincoln Long

Not interested in actually playing japcrap, just curious what it is. But I guess if everyone would rather be triggered over not everyone being a peasant than take ten seconds to say what genre it is and its basic premise, I won't know. Oh well.

Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

-1/10 see me after class

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

There's no fucking way.

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

I will state that computer gaming when Mega Man debuted is a lot different than the modern way.

This classic arrived on shelves a few months prior to the Japanese launch of Mega Man 1

Lincoln Perry
Lincoln Perry

I know it existed, but I don't really consider it a contender for the market because everything on it was pretty shit due to limitations and expense. Anything before Wolfenstein isn't worth delving into, in my opinion.

That was directed more at the "peasants" comment than anything. It reeks of Reddit Mustard Race.

Jaxon Davis
Jaxon Davis

I dunno but I find it funny they get so anal about Sonic and yet when they see something like Gone Homo, Last of Us, Uncharted, etc. they'll rush to defend and say "You just don't like it because you're X, 2deep4u, etc."

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

Literally too retarded to know how to operate a search engine
Doesn't know a single thing about one of the most iconic game franchises around
Calls others peasants

Here's a (You), even though you don't deserve it

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

Since you're a proclaimed mustardrace fag and too lazy to do any research about an iconic franchise everyone and their mom knows about, start playing the original games that were on DOS, Commodore, and other old computers

Hunter James
Hunter James

Has anyone else tried the Sonic World fan remake?

sonicworldfangame.com/downloads/

It even has chao breeding, I'm just waiting for controller support cause the keyboard controls suck ass.

Grayson Hall
Grayson Hall

Anything before Wolfenstein isn't worth delving into

Pretty sure there's some 30+ Euro guy you just pissed off with that remark.

I dunno, my first system was an NES in the late 80s and I was very late getting into the PC gaming scene

Benjamin Sanders
Benjamin Sanders

hating on the oregon trail
fuck you too buddy

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

So where do they come from
I mean its not like this place has done anything big recently like GG, 4U9525, or Trump, sure there was Brexit but still

Justin Murphy
Justin Murphy

It's because most of his games from the most meh to their worst gives off the reaction "If they added X, this would've really stood out besides being high quality!"
This triggers me so much about Sonic. If Sega just tried a tiny bit more, Sonic could be great. They just don't fucking bother. As shown by the fact we still don't have a new game with a Chao garden.

Then again maybe I'm just a faggot. I tend to like the Sonic games people hate. I enjoyed Shadow the Hedgehog, and the two Riders games.

Adrian Reyes
Adrian Reyes

Because I'm a very patient man.

Austin Garcia
Austin Garcia

Jesus Christ what an enormous, insufferable fucking faggot

Brayden Nelson
Brayden Nelson

Where are you from
I need to know

Jeremiah Williams
Jeremiah Williams

No school + no obligations = all the time for underage shitposting

Joshua Diaz
Joshua Diaz

Sonic games used to be phenomenal, now they're either shit or mediocre. That's why they make everyone angry. The potential is there and they squander it again and again.

Every time an old game gets rebooted and it doesn't live up to expectations, there's always one guy like you trying to convince everyone that it isn't a bad game. You're not necessarily wrong, but you miss the point. You say "if it wasn't called Sonic you'd probably like it," when the reality is "if it wasn't called Sonic nobody would care about this crap."

Brayden Allen
Brayden Allen

shit or mediocre
I don't know user, colors and generations were great, unleashed was half decent, lost world was mediocre and those two kart racing games are good ass games.
Also, i have noticed A LOT of people lately going around talking shit about the adventure games, saying how they were never good and are in fact garbage, i'll go out on a limb and assume that some le epic youtuber made a video about them recently shitting on them furiously and now all the twelve year old redditors are eating that shit up and spreading it around like gospel?
I'll go out on a limb even further and assume that Faggotraptor is the youtuber in question.

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

tried lost world recently, it was a good enough game. I can see people getting autistic over there needing to be a run button though.

yeah, i noticed people as of late have been absolutely shitting on adventure. wasn't faggotraptor this time, recently checked his youtube and gamegrumps, isnt shit about sonic anywhere.

William Williams
William Williams

This.

Except he's not defending everything Sonic does dumbass.

Rouge's music is very underrated. Great music to chill out to.

Wow.

Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

I'd even say consoles weren't worthwhile before the NES- you'd want to head to an arcade instead of investing in a slow, bland, and boring Commodore or Atari. It cost less AND it was a more social event.

Oregon Trial II is so much better, though.

Jack Ward
Jack Ward

I'd say it was Ego. They actually did a playthrough of Adventure a while ago on GG. Faggotraptor has a thing against Sonic, and that playthrough was his attempt at "proof":
he sucked, giving the impression of unfairness
he played a notoriously shit port
joked about the limited graphics at the time
he shittalked the game all the way through
It was viewed a lot because GG fans love Sonic playthroughs, so Ego "Don't Pray the Ayy Away" Raptor is likely to blame.

Bentley Edwards
Bentley Edwards

so then what, its just a bunch of autistic kids/gamegrump fans saying this shit then? It's nothing to care for in that case.

Kayden Rivera
Kayden Rivera

EgoRaptor is REALLY bad at games. Like, shockingly bad. Even games he's played before. It's like watching a toddler try to play games for the first time.

Leo Bailey
Leo Bailey

those two kart racing games are good ass games.
You wouldn't expect them to be because the last time Sega copied a Mario spinoff, it didn't go so well.

Easton Reed
Easton Reed

It's nothing to care for in that case
As long as it builds a false narrative, it is.

joked about the limited graphics at the time
Because a dreamcast game from 1999 is the epitome of top notch graphics.

he played a notoriously shit port
Which one?

Samuel Ortiz
Samuel Ortiz

false narrative
for opinions
okay.

i should probably note know, i think most of the internet that isnt underage already understands that arin is a massive cuck and general faggot, so his opinion doesn't mean shit.

Logan Lee
Logan Lee

I couldn't watch episodes of games I'd played because I'd cringe too hard. The channel's in a really sad state now.

Cameron Hall
Cameron Hall

Arin can't comprehend depth/height in 3d video games. He also can't orientate himself in the game world. Probably due to low IQ.
Here's the video of him being DSP 2.0

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

this is how you dont play legend of zelda the wind waker
FUCK i love this video so much.

Bentley Barnes
Bentley Barnes

can't figure out how to pick up the stick
keeps fucking up piss easy stealth section
Same guy that bitched of OOT being "dumbed down"
TFW Egofaggot plays worse than my 8 YO brother

Julian Gonzalez
Julian Gonzalez

Sonic is really inconsistent. To the uninitiated, today, I'd recommend Sonic 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations. Everything else is not worth it, ranging from good-but-not-great to shit.

Colton Ramirez
Colton Ramirez

Rush games were pretty good handheld titles.

Samuel Price
Samuel Price

Used to be huge Sonic 1,2,3 & Knucles fan as a kid (if were better internet I would become sonicfag/furry or something like that for sure). But I played all those games few years ago and they totally lost appeal to me. Now games like Hard Corps, Shinobi 3 and Gunstar Heroes feel much better. Shinobo 3 is god tier.

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

I already want to shut this off less than 30 seconds in. I've never watched Game Grumps before. People like them? They might actually be the most annoying people on Youtube, if this is any indication.

Gabriel Gonzalez
Gabriel Gonzalez

Is he ever going to finish that?

Luke Garcia
Luke Garcia

faggots are still getting butthurt over sanic shitposting on twitter
I haven't really enjoyed a Sonic game since Adventure 2, but I certainly enjoy the antics of the guy running the twitter account.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Either way, 06 main problem is that it was rushed. It could be way better if they didn't release it in unfinished state, the same can be said about ton of their 3D Sonic games. Too bad it took over one decade for SEGA to learn their lesson, but at least next game from Sonic Team won't be rushed. I believe they want to release their anniversary game in 2017.

The guy behind Sonic account recently gave nice interview, by the way. SEGA are lucky to have this guy, he definitely saved Sonic.

archive.is/M1tO9

These were supposed to be mobile games, but then someone from SoA said that he wanted Sonic 4 and genius from SoJ decided to make this mobile garbage Sonic 4 and put them on home platforms.

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

youtube.com/watch?v=jbs56Hu-bd0

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

that was actually negative was Sonic Boom:Rise of Lyric, which was actually a cheap tie-in to a fucking cartoon, that was outsourced to a different company.
This is actually incredibly misleading and really retarded.

Big Red Button was made up of a bunch of ex Naughty Dog developers who worked on games like Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter.
The game's technical failings were present because it was rushed as fuck.
The development started good but halfway through the development Sega dropped a bomb
Sega lied and said it was for "next gen hardware greater than the 360/ps3" Without telling them it was the WiiU or what specs it was running on
Devs just made it with that kind of hardware in mind without realizing that it'd be onthe usual CPU-over-GPU nintendo console that was mildly more powerful than the PS360
the dev team had to rush a port out with crunch time because Sega borked the whole thing and lied to them.
The cartoon actually came second and is actually entertaining.
Vid related.

Owen Miller
Owen Miller

the stoner who doesn't actually play video games has more gamesense than Arin

Michael Diaz
Michael Diaz

Know its the last episode, that they only have about 8 characters and 4 locations, and might not be popular enough to get a second season.

"Maybe we should start an internet petition"

See, that why I like this show, not afraid to take the piss out of itself. Maybe if sonic games followed that a bit more people wouldn– HA, no… couldn't finish that sentence with a straight face.

Jordan Scott
Jordan Scott

Game Grumps is targeted towards the 'youth' market, that 9-13 year old range of people who think Minecraft is fun.

Luis Sanchez
Luis Sanchez

What's the pizza supposed to be┬┐

Justin Watson
Justin Watson

Explosions

Adrian Perez
Adrian Perez

I was pretty underwhelmed by colors to be honest. I'd also recommend Sonic Advance but it could just be nostalgia talking.

Oliver Martinez
Oliver Martinez

I have friends - late 20s, early 30s - that actually enjoy game grumps, jontron, etc. Personally I can't fucking stand them because of the constant YELLING.

Brandon Wilson
Brandon Wilson

you sure about that?

Daniel Nelson
Daniel Nelson

Sonic R music is top tier.

Michael Kelly
Michael Kelly

he doesnt feel the sunshine
it doesnt brighten up his day

Blake Martin
Blake Martin

Are you trying to imply that Sonic R doesn't have an amazing soundtrack?

Ethan Brooks
Ethan Brooks

Yes bumbo, can you tell me why your skin isn't black but diseased penis purple?

Camden Thomas
Camden Thomas

2 hours and 21 minutes
I'm not watching all that shit just to see someone fuck up, call me when there's a compilation reel.

Angel Myers
Angel Myers

I WILL FIGHT YOU

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

YELLING
But that's COMEDY user, is the NONSTOP COMEDY too much fun for you?

Blake Hall
Blake Hall

I'd argue that Sonic R's a good gameplay, the massive flaw it has is the lack of stages, even if they're decently big with a ton of paths and exploration (which is interesting for a racing game), most people that complain about the controls suck shit at the game, the way it works is simple when you consider they were trying to replicate analog movement on a controller with only digital inputs. The D-pad turns your character slowly, the triggers turn your character at a medium pace in the direction of the trigger you pressed and here's the part most people don't realize, holding the same direction on both the d-pad and triggers makes you turn the fastest, allowing you to drift around corners with ease.
Also the music's god-tier, fuck you.

Levi Cooper
Levi Cooper

a good gameplay
Fuck, I meant it's a good game

Hudson Walker
Hudson Walker

I literally thought I was the only person who ever owned/played this game.

Jace Allen
Jace Allen

Man, I played the shit out of Sonic R as a child. Watching it the current year is pretty painful when I recall how much I liked it back then.

Adrian Reyes
Adrian Reyes

jej

Brandon Young
Brandon Young

That is the compilation reel

Jason Stewart
Jason Stewart

Yeah Sonic games never caused any systems to be bricked or have it's installer be detected as malware by anti-virus software.

Funny how the Mighty No. SJW niggers fail to mention that.

Caleb Rogers
Caleb Rogers

Yeah Sonic games never caused any systems to be bricked or have it's installer be detected as malware by anti-virus software.

you got some source for that claim?

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

Jesus fucking christ.

Christian Price
Christian Price

it takes until the end of the game for him to fully figure out how to correctly use a grappling hook.

Angel Moore
Angel Moore

checked

tfw Rouge is around 3-4 feet tall
tfw you realize Rogue is a shortstack

Look, Satan, it's actually possible for people to like things and not be a hivemind.

Sonic often times does average or above average.

I deeply enjoy Sonic 1,2,3&K, Adventure 1,2, and Unleashed (ps360), colors, and especially Generations.

Hell, Sonic 4 Episode 2 is still quite enjoyable despite it's flaws.

Most of the time ,the games are enjoyable, but may not warrant a second runthrough.

Heroes was dull as fuck and a pain in the ass that recycled the same stages over and over again, but had you doing some stupid task half the time (blow out all the candles in the haunted house will forever haunt my dreams).

Hell, I even enjoyed Shadow the hedgehog and loved playing through it time and again despite it's glitches. Every playthrough felt satisfying and almost like a create-your-own-story.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

Rouge's music was pretty fucking comfy and made the scavenger hunt a lot less frustrating.

tfw Rouge had a hot as fuck black furred alt costume
tfw it was strictly on the Dreamcast
tfw this is the ONLY image of it on the whole of the net

FUCK

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

Sonic is a game that forgot its main thing after the third game that was its semi realistic pinball physics.
Its like if capcom decided to ditch the level select and weapon system on megaman 4 "to streamline and tell a better story" and never ever went back to it.

Joseph Nguyen
Joseph Nguyen

Post it

Anthony Thomas
Anthony Thomas

nichegamer.com/2016/06/21/mighty-no-9-owners-unhappy-performance-issues-console-bricking-bugs/

If it isn't bricking systems, it's causing them to crash.

Archive: archive.is/GOFpv

Avast detecting it as malware:

tweetsave.com/somecallmejon/status/745151893282787330

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

Sonic Rush and the Advance games were the shit.

I love Sonic Unleashed. Fuck you, the hub worlds were great and the Werehog was just weird. It's just like any other action games but overall not bad.

Jayden Rogers
Jayden Rogers

not recommending the 8 bit games
What a faggot

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

would you be horrified if I told you tons of posters here think there was a Game Grumps "golden age"?

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

8-bit
What the fuck is wrong with you

Hudson Hill
Hudson Hill

Nigger, Sonics 1 and 2 on GameGear and Master System were fucking fun games

Evan Reed
Evan Reed

Dissing the Master System games
1, 2 and Chaos are good. Grab an emulator and try them.

Kevin Sanders
Kevin Sanders

Shit yeah, Chaos as well.
Was Triple Trouble any good? I think that was the only one I never played.

Lucas Rogers
Lucas Rogers

I remember four of five years back when Holla Forums used to have a constant Game Grumps thread up and I was baffled as to why anybody gave a fuck about some ecelebs playing games.

Asher Rodriguez
Asher Rodriguez

it's because those were middle schoolers who, by the way, are in college now.

Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

You mean high school. And Gay Humps didn't start until 2013 or so. Four years ago we all thought Egocucktor was based when fucked with everyone on the Tester.

Joshua Ross
Joshua Ross

middle school
four or five years ago
in college now

I-I guess? Assuming they were in 8th grade, and we're going for 5 years. Still, they've only barely started college.

Hunter Adams
Hunter Adams

Shit, was it that recent? Feels like ages ago. I could have sworn the Tester was post-grumps.
Well, I never cared about the guy regardless.

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

reddit letter media
"What's wrong with the new star wars?"

Hudson Torres
Hudson Torres

It's obviously a flat iron then a blowout.

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

If it was one of the most iconic game series of all time it wouldn't be next to dead user.

Megaman might not be obscure, but it hasn't broken into that level of popularity where people who don't play vidya have even heard of it. I would expect the typical normalfag to have heard of Mario, Sonic, Pokemon, Halo or Call of Duty. But I imagine I would get some blank stares if I mention Megaman. Yes your mother has heard of it, but I'm guessing she only knows of it from you.

Grayson Bell
Grayson Bell

How do you unlock the bonus costumes?

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

Just a minor correction but…
The SMB 2 we know and love today was actually another game (Doki Doki Panic) entirely, with the cast replaced by Mario characters.

That said, the original SMB 2, aka The Lost Levels, basically amounted to SMB: Git Gud Edition.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

I don't know about a golden age but it certainly had a less shit age, most of the Jontron episodes are fairly enjoyable since Jon actually knew how to play games and would call Ego out on all his bullshit.

James Jones
James Jones

Neat

Kevin Peterson
Kevin Peterson

As shit as some Sonic games have been at least Sega never swindled people to make their shitty games. (In fact SJW friendly Gearbox swindled Sega out of money with that shitty Aliens game). Game journos should once again go fuck themselves.

Oliver Sanders
Oliver Sanders

Sonic Team did manage to hemorrhage 90% of its original developers by the time Adventure came out. Splitting the team in half after the original came out probably didn't help either, but it did give us Sonic CD.

More like the Dark Souls of Mario Bros, amirite?

Lucas Williams
Lucas Williams

i still watch it
what upsets me the most is they'll take a break from a long series like ocarina of time and play something like mad dog mccree
they're both having fun, Arin isn't total garbage, and all the fans want is for ocarina to come back so they can get mad that arin is terrible at something again

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

Even the worst Sonic game is better than Mighty 4 Million Dollars.

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

Those pics

Asher Edwards
Asher Edwards

implying it doesn't have one of the best soundtracks in the series
mfw he's never been Super Sonic Racing

Camden Diaz
Camden Diaz

there are still people defending it

Caleb Foster
Caleb Foster

backers.

Benjamin Young
Benjamin Young

Sonic's twitter is the only good thing about sonic these days

Josiah Parker
Josiah Parker

Most disappointing game of all Time

Mighty No 9 is shit, but nobody can take this title from Spore.

Jason Morgan
Jason Morgan

Golden axe theme got a pretty sweet remix in sonic all star racing.

Michael Gomez
Michael Gomez

Calling it disappointing is implying that anyone who wasn't retarded had any expectations for it in the first place

post yfw you didn't back

Alexander Miller
Alexander Miller

There's a lot of good remixes in that game.

Dylan Miller
Dylan Miller

the final boss fight

Holy shit, this is ridiculous.

Robert Price
Robert Price

Aw fuck that's hot.

Jose Allen
Jose Allen

Well, it looks like functional gameplay I suppose. Like placeholder stuff during a beta.

Jayden Adams
Jayden Adams

post yfw you didn't back
I knew this shit was doomed when I heard about the female Mighty on ScrewAttack. The commenters and the report itself made me realize how moronic the gaming community had become. Most self-absorbed and pretentious you can think of under one roof. Unsubscribed soon after too.

Dylan Barnes
Dylan Barnes

MN9 is a kusoge of 250000$ and ConMan wanted to make a company with the money of those idiots that dont jump ship with the existence of that Dina whore comunity manager.
Also all the drawings desings of the robots and the rest was flat to be there in the final product . Those polls were rigged

Nathaniel Williams
Nathaniel Williams

They even had Rob Schneider on one of their shows once with his wife I think.

Then you've got that trigger grumps blog which just tells you the kind of people that watch their stuff.

Also, they had that really cringey crunchyroll ad. I know it was suppose to be on purpose but it doesn't negate how you're shilling sponsorship like a ironic hipster.

Jeremiah Gutierrez
Jeremiah Gutierrez

BIG FAT BAT TATS

Mason Turner
Mason Turner

Add Sonic CD or Sonic 1 (player's choice), note that SA and SA2:B are interchangeable, and add any one of the Sonic Advance games and your list is just fine.

Nolan Reyes
Nolan Reyes

look, i aint no furry but i admit that once in while i like masturbating to Rouge.
shes undoubtedly the sexiest sonic girl.

Also, Sonic games arent all too good, last good game we got was Generations but as said, Inafune took the backers money not once but three times, cut promised content and delivered a mediocre product, say anything you want but at least Sega uses their money to finance underwhelming Sonic games.

Kevin Brooks
Kevin Brooks

I like Amy more

Hunter Perez
Hunter Perez

nipples
you could have spoilered that at least.

Andrew King
Andrew King

Sonic characters are not for sexual. Except that first one you posted. that one is definitely for sexual.

Thomas Sanchez
Thomas Sanchez

Humanized Rouge is best Rouge, i agree.

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

Why, do nipples trigger you?

Carson Gomez
Carson Gomez

cuz we're in a sfw board.

Logan Rogers
Logan Rogers

Dubs checked, GET READY!

Henry Howard
Henry Howard

Actually, all the costumes were modded back in on the recent port.

Colton Garcia
Colton Garcia

That reminds me of AVGN's C64 review. James is breddy cool guy, but fuck him for bullshitting half that review

Nathan Cook
Nathan Cook

Meant to reply to

Owen Reed
Owen Reed

with maybe 3 genuinely bad games

This is why people hate Sonic fans. By regular game standards, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic Colors, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Sonic Heroes were all pretty terrible.

Lincoln Parker
Lincoln Parker

I come into this thread.
First I see Arin ruining my nastolgia with his retardation.
Then some autists go full deviantart.
Now I ask myself.
Why?

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

A game that is half great can't be terrible.

Hunter Myers
Hunter Myers

SA1
SA2
Colors
terrible
Are you really serious?

Sebastian Foster
Sebastian Foster

Unleashed is a literal GoW clone down to the experience menu. It's definitely not what I wanted out of a Sonic game. The Day stages are pretty alright though. Medal system is worse than just progressing through stages a la SA or SA2. Also fix the load times. They're not 06 bad, but they interrupt the flow.

Michael Reed
Michael Reed

Don't forget to Kickstarter the next piece of shit.

It's the future!

Charles Nelson
Charles Nelson

Not very long ago, people began to monetize shitposting. Now, they've begun to weaponize it.

[spoiler]does anyone know if Australia banned megaman? That could explain alot[/pspoiler]

Parker Walker
Parker Walker

[/psoiler]
end my life.

Cameron Hernandez
Cameron Hernandez

Yno

Alexander Hughes
Alexander Hughes

Failing a spoiler
It's a halfchan spoiler anyway
Lurk another year or so, thanks.

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

alright, now answer the question you cheeky nigger.

Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

No. Why would they?

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

Don't halfchan spoilers work? I recall them being listed as an alternative to ** when formatting images were being passed around around the first Gamergate exodus.

Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

Hey, you tell me

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

Do they now? I know they didn't work at some point.

Jacob Robinson
Jacob Robinson

Well I'll be.

Nolan Anderson
Nolan Anderson

Might as well test it. I always just use the keybinds anyway.

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

Neat.

Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

According to you, Megaman X7 or Hotel Mario would've tarnished each of their respective franchises like how anal the media went over Lost World.

Seriously compare the reviews for the Adventure games before and after they moved multiplatform.

Jason Ortiz
Jason Ortiz

They have for a long time now, it's the only way to make spoilers within spoilers

Nathan Adams
Nathan Adams

Sonic Heroes was in fact a neat game, and it was only the ps2 version that was horrifically buggy because sony had sega remake the entire game for the ps2 with the engine of their choice, and if they refused they were told they can forget ever releasing another one of their games on the playstation console.
Either go with the gamecube/pc version or fuck off.

Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

wew

Jace Lee
Jace Lee

I don't like rap either, but the one exception is the knuckles raps

Michael Cook
Michael Cook

Here's your fix my man

Jordan Perez
Jordan Perez

Really went to shit after Jon left, a damn shame

Aiden Martin
Aiden Martin

$4.000.000 of special effects and quality assurance

Adam Brown
Adam Brown

adventure
good game, I don't see the issue

adventure 2
also good.

unleashed
half of it is good, the other half is mediocre. Averages at 6/10, decent game.

black knight
alright I'll give you that one.

colors
nigger what the fuck are you smoking? Colors was a cool game.

shadow
edgy but not awful. Just mediocre.

heroes
never played it, but I've never heard anything too offensive about it

Sonic's overall quality has been all over the place, but the consensus among anons is that most sonic games are decent, with a few bad apples ruining the reputation.

Jackson Rivera
Jackson Rivera

I'd also like to add that most of the 'sonic sucks' business is cancerous shit from halfchan. The series has never been my favorite, but I always thought it got unfairly shit on by tryhard memers.

Gabriel Green
Gabriel Green

there used to be a TIHYDP OoT as well but no matter where I look I can't find it. he played even worse

Logan Hall
Logan Hall

I remember that one.
It made me physically ill watching it, and like an user itt said, THIS GUY sees himself as a master gameplay design critic despite being a literal retard.

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

Heroes
The special stages have the most dysfunctional controls I've ever seen and you're required to do them for final story (along with grinding a stage to play them if you fuck up). Also required for final story is beating the same stages 4 times with 4 different teams, first 3 are normal/hard/easy while the fourth is missions (like the alt paths in Shadow the Hedgehog but worse). Like other 3D Sonics the voicing and physics are wonky.

Owen Perry
Owen Perry

two dollars says korean

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

Inafune please.

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

I would honestly agree, and that is coming from a Nintoddler who didn't even grow up on the best games and had the HATE SONIC propaganda blared at me without even knowing Sega existed.

I will say that SA and SA2 are not flawless, but that people get WAAAY too hanged up on the obvious flaws even when they aren't that bad, yeah, Big the Cat wasn't the best thing ever, and Tails/Eggman gameplay/stages were shit, but i played worse games, and the good parts are really good.

I mean, they are no SANIC FREE AN KNACKLES, but if you grab something from a bargain bin at random you will probably get something worse.

And i would say that that as bad as BOOM was, it wasn't a 06 and we got a comfy cartoon out of it (and a dank twitter shitposter), which is more then MN9 can say.

So Sonic can keep throwing rocks since he is more like one foot in the glasshouse and one foot out of it.

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

The thing is when Sonic Adventure 2 first came out on Dreamcast, I remember a lot of people loving that game, then all of a sudden, I guess the autism of Sonic fans on the internet made people turn on it

Alexander Wilson
Alexander Wilson

I'm going to be honest, that doesn't look terrible, neither does the rest of the footage I saw.. but it doesn't look like it's up to par with Megaman and it doesn't look like it even comes close to the Zero games. I wonder if people are exaggerating the hate a bit for this one. Still, the whole time I was watching that I was just thinking about how much better it would be to play Megaman ZX.

Wyatt Fisher
Wyatt Fisher

Exaggerated hate is a given given how badly they actively pissed people off though, and blew up the scope of the "project" and the amount of money available.

Samuel Morgan
Samuel Morgan

True, thought that falls more on comcept than the game.. still, it shouldn't be ignored.

I almost wonder if Inafune just pocketed the extra money and kept all development costs at a minimal… then there's the whole drama with backers still not getting their games though reviewers for them day 1… oh, and Dina.

Jayden Smith
Jayden Smith

though reviewers got them*

Bleh, haven't had my coffee yet.

Justin Williams
Justin Williams

Complete all missions with that character at A rank.

Holy fuck, yes.

Hunter Parker
Hunter Parker

jesus christ no

Andrew White
Andrew White

preserved, but my webm fu is shit.

Juan Torres
Juan Torres

I don't get it.

Liam Walker
Liam Walker

Lurk more

Dominic Hill
Dominic Hill

sonic colors
bad game
nigga i'll fight you

Lincoln Mitchell
Lincoln Mitchell

Female autists are an odd enigma.

Aiden Young
Aiden Young

It's because all of sonic's genuinely bad games are all recent ones. Those hipsters only started hearing about Sonic when it's most recent games were shit.

Jaxon Martinez
Jaxon Martinez

Would anyone believe me if I said I got Mike Pollock to sign a picture of a Big and Eggman yaoi picture?

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

I heard he is chill as fuck, so i believe you.

Juan Bennett
Juan Bennett

Post the timestamped picture of if and then ill believe you.

Hudson Parker
Hudson Parker

I don't know where the original is, I hope it wasn't thrown out by mistake when cleaning, but I did manage to scan it when I got back. Also including a bonus pic signed by Jun Senoue.

Camden Phillips
Camden Phillips

Speaking of Sonic, I've been considering getting the Humble Bundle. After reading a bit, I found this:
Payment processing fees will be deducted proportionally from the payment amounts you indicate on your slider(s). Fees typically average 5 to 6% across all transactions, but may vary depending on a number of factors, including your location, purchase price, and payment method. We deduct VAT, where applicable, in the same manner.
Do I have to pay 10$ to get all the games or 10$*[1/(1-taxes and fees)]?

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

Interesting.

Oliver Miller
Oliver Miller

Even took some pictures with a few cosplayers and Iizuka himself.

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

avalonx

thats more like it

James Young
James Young

The problem is, Mario builds on its prior entries; Doki Doki Panic in whatever form was a good game and a clear influence on later Mario games.

Sonic on the other hand has been basically a series of overreactions to the mistakes of the last game since it started being in 3D. Every modern Sonic game keeps being bad in DIFFERENT ways, and fail to establish a core gameplay that's actually fun and intuitive rather than handling like a shopping trolley.

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