Attention leftists of this board

Attention leftists of this board

Stop confusing free market capitalism with corporatism

Sincerely,
Everyone

saged for being a retard

sage is not a downvote friend

Is this the lolbertarian version of "it was state capitalism!"?

Same thing

No, its "Free Market =/= Corporatism"

Thats not true though

It is true tho

sage means you are a retard

No, its not, capitalism doesn't become corporatism until the government starts working together with corporate lobbyists

Sage means a thread doesn't bump with your post. Protip; I just negated your sage

Dear "everyone"

Please stop wrongfully believing we're confusing the two. We're not. We just don't like either of them.

Sincerely,
the working class

sage also means you are a faggot

Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production

Corporatism = private ownership of the means of production but in the real world so you dont like it

I'm a post-leftist so I can keep confusing them

Your shit-tier porky memes tell "everyone" otherwise

t. assmad porky he is getting treaded on

I keep negating your sage, does this mean I'm not actually a faggot?

it means you are a doublefaggot

OP do you mind explaining how the relations to the means of production are different between the two?

So sage means I'm a doublefaggot, but since I negate your sage it cancels out

yes

glad you get it

So?
It's still capitalism that's co-opted the sate.

There is little difference, however, it comes to my attention most criticisms of traditional capitalism here are directed towards corporatism, which implies capitalism inherently creates a system where governments work with large corporations. This is the result of privatized banking, which even most "capitalists" are against

The big difference between the two mainly comes from the privatization of the banks and mints. This isn't the inherent fault of capitalism, but government lobbies that allowed this to happen

why are you so fucking stupid

like, why

what happened during your development ages

that you ended being so fucking stupid

have you ever asked yourself this?

"why am I so stupid?"

try it

ask yourself why are you so fucking stupid and give me an answer

because I don't want my kid to pass through the same

I guess free market capitalism is impossible because every candidate you guys like sucks oligarch dick
Also corporatism obviously out competes lassiez faire :)
Also corporatism becomes necessary to fight the falling rate of profit

Its not. Its the fault of the state when this happens. If there is legislation passed to prevent these things then state run banks can exist just fine in a free market. They are not mutually exclusive, its not the fault of capitalism.

why do you space posts like this

like, why

why don't you punctuate sentences

have you ever asked yourself this?

"why am I getting so assmad?"

try it


ask yourself why are you so fucking stupid and give me an answer

because I don't want my kid to pass through the same

porky = capitalist of any sorts.

are you fucking stupid?

where the fuck are your parents?

think about the following, you fucking retard

you are implying corporatism is bad because goverment interferes with private business

alirght

state = bad, private property = good

now

you are implying private banks are the main problem with modern capitalism which is why we would need state banks

which means

literally

state = good, private banks = bad

can you see how fucking stupid you are now?

can you see it

please

for the love of god

dude

stop being fucking stupid

So, since the East India Company was founded then.

"Surely it won't lead to chaos and a race to the bottom if we let only one or a handful of people to be in control of companies, who's first priority is to make a profit that includes having wage laboring which implies them keeping as low as possible to make a profit, while competing to out produce their competitors until there is a falling rate of profit due to massive overabundance and virtually non-existent wages. Surly!"

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

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ITT:
lolbert pretends there aren't a million and one criticisms of the inherent functioning of capital irrespective of it's overwhelming tendency towards corporatism (which is a valid critique in and of itself)

falling profit
competition and inequality wrecks social cohesion
corporatism
bank runs
financialization
debt build up
automation
the environment
unemployment
retirement (for proles)
the total system doesn't produce enough demand to sustain itself without debt and government deficits
monopoly and oligopoly
regular recurring crisis
endless compound growth
average labor power is always pegged at subsistence wage
social democracies out compete laize faire economies by having higher confidence, stability, lower risk and higher labor power ("skill")
corporatist economies have higher profit rates and attract capital from laize faire economies
looming resource shortages
marketing is a total fucking waste of resources and labor
falling profit rate
automation
environment
falling profit rate
automation
environment
falling profit rate
automation
environment
falling profit rate
automation
environment
falling profit rate
automation
environment
falling profit rate
automation
environment
falling profit rate
automation
environment
falling profit rate
automation
environment

tldr: fuck off

Capitalists have profit incentives to create crony capitalism, so they do it and have been doing it since States were a thing, merchants would fund the king's armies in exchange for a common language and coin and tarrifs, later on for protectionism, piracy and dominion on trade routes, and then on public infrastructure and natural resource extraction like oil and gold and then on intellectual property…
We call it the Bourgeois State for a reason.

Now tell me, mr AnCap, if the malaises of Capitalism are all the product of Cronysm why is it that most economic hardship that the left denounces today are directly related to policies of market liberalization, free trade, deregulation and privatization that you so espouse.
Is Cronysm stronger now than under Einsenhower? How? Why?

Question Leftypol, do you hate liberals or ancaps more?

liberals

ancaps understand it is an economic issue

Ancaps.
Liberals at least want to pretend they're socialist every once and a while.

liberals would be more supportive of the revolution.

Some an-caps might be forced to come out of their basements when the autismbux get cut and they can't get any more gbp from mommy and daddy cause their on the verge of eating cat food. At that point I imagine those lumpen ancaps might wake up to how ridiculous their ideology is. But liberals would try to restore "order" and spin it as progressive reform so they can go back to being a social media consultant or whatever kind of middle class bullshit job they had.

Even if there was a difference between the two both would still be utter shit.

Neither inherently. Some ancaps are much more likeable than liberals. Meme ancaps I despise.

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Liberals. They've done more harm to the left than any ancap propaganda.

Good thing I'm not an ML since basically every commie country was ML. And the only one that wasn't was an economic miracle country that everybody who lives there wants back, pic related.

Stein is a total GILF.

I would actually try to fuck her.

Not an argument.

Feel free to disprove Marx when you like.

Explain to me how you stop free market capitalism from becoming 'corporatism'.

Give me one single historical example where capitalism has not

1) Been corporatism all along
2) Became corporatism

Hey guys whenever you see a thread like this, make sure to ask the OP "what defines capitalism?"

I see these threads all the time, the OP of these types of threads are economically illiterate, in the sense that they not even familiar with Adam Smith's works, let alone Ricardo or Marx.

I'm betting OP thinks capitalism has been with us since the time of Caesar.

ITT: Retarded libertarian wastes his time.

get em muke

t. a person who will get stabbed in the back by a SocDem

Well tbh, there is one major difference between capitalism today and capitalism historically.
The vast majority of large businesses are corporations now.

This doesn't mean anything for socialists though because corporations still practice surplus value extraction.

Keep telling yourself that

"Corporatism" is literally just capitalism

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Get a load of this undialectical pleb. Read Bakunin.