Who are the top vidya characters of your childhood Holla Forums? What became of them?...

Dylan Martinez
Dylan Martinez

Who are the top vidya characters of your childhood Holla Forums? What became of them? Did they live long enough to see themselves become the villain?

tfw skylanders spyro
tfw crash will no doubt return in a "OH HECK" tier reboot
tfw god is dead and we killed him

Aiden White
Aiden White

nigger kouck cukkkem.

Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

I decided to type "gex" into a search engine after your post gave me some nostalgia. The first pic was some fursona shit, the sixth pick is laura croft and some other chick sucking his dick, and the thirteenth pic is a deviantart drawing of gex having eaten somebody with a wordbubble from his stomach saying "help!". The deviantart users name is "footballlover".

I don't know why I'm surprised anymore.

David Ortiz
David Ortiz

this ones my favorite

Brayden Carter
Brayden Carter

Nice

Fucking hell

Levi Phillips
Levi Phillips

Game was an oddity for its generation, since it combined contemporary 3d graphics with old-school difficulty. I know it was way too hard for me when I was a kid, but nowadays I find its just right.

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

guess I should contribute
I loved these guys

Benjamin Wright
Benjamin Wright

Gex and Rayman are top tier
I wanna play Rayman 4 which is made like a sequel to Rayman 2 with similar style, it was amazing
Rayman 3 really disappointed me

James Rodriguez
James Rodriguez

Sonic the Hedgehog:
He's had his ups and downs, but I still love him despite it all. He's like some old raggedy teddy bear I just can't throw away.

Duke Nukem;
It seems the world that he saved has turned against him. 3D Realms fucked him over by taking so goddamn long to make his next game. During that time, gaming has been co-opted by feminazis and betacucks and they've labeled him a monster. He's the Donald Trump of gaming. He just wants to make it great again.

Crash:
Sony should have just bought the rights when they had the chance.

Conker:
Nintendo should have kept the rights.

Alexander Morales
Alexander Morales

they looks so fucking happy

are you happy, user?

I was so young when I played rayman, I actually think I never properly played any rayman game (I wouldn't even know which one I played).
I probably just stuck around on the first level.

Jack and Dexter 2.
Only played the second one. To this day I am not sure if it's intended for the player to have no idea what happened to make the elf world a dystopia. Would I know what's it about if I played the first one?
I couldn't finish it anyway. I got stuck somewhere and I often forget the button combination for the dark echo attacks.

Ratchet & Clank
Stopped playing after the third one.
Was really nice to play. I probably played too much of the second game.

TUROK!
FUCK, I love this game. The plasma rifle is my most favourite weapon of any game. So cool to use. As well as the Tech-bow and other weapons. That game hs one of the most satisfying gun arsenals of any game.

Since I was a kid and didn't have internet, I sometimes played it in a single lobby.

Also I actually drew a picture of the giant eye tentacle monster and put it on my folder and brought it with me in like 4th grade.
No one knew what it was about.

Oh and even though the Zombies were spooky as fuck for me, I loved the undead level.
So cool.

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

Damn, almost all of my favourite have been posted, I'll add some new ones.

David Brown
David Brown

I grew up with Sonic and Mario. Sonic The Hedgehog was the first game I ever owned.

Sonic shat the bed something chronic when he went 3d and honestly he's never recovered, Even games fans say are good are still pretty shit, they fuck up basic level design, it's very common for them to have significant bugs, the developers think people want to watch a few hours worth of cutscenes or care about the characters, They pretty much had characterization and cutscenes perfected in 3 & Knuckles but for some reason Sega just kept getting worse over time. I still have a soft spot for this blue fag, or else I wouldn't play his games 20 years past his prime.

Mario has managed to stay good since Donkey Kong. I don't think it's fair to compare any series to Mario, I don't think there will be any IP that will ever compare to Mario in terms of consistent quality and significance to it's genre. Super Mario is still a good series after decades Super Mario Galaxy is easily the crowning achievement on top of 3d platforming, it can be surpassed but I doubt we will ever see it surpassed, at best someone will be able to meet it with a more open level type of 3d platformer.

I guess these two guys explain why it's so pleb around here, niggers entering video games at the PS1 gen.

They are more like middle tier, serviceable, fun, but nothing spectacular, they will never endure.

Honestly I don't think it would have mattered if Nintendo kept the rights, Conker is almost entirely Chris Seavor's passion project. It was stupid of the Stamper Brother's to sell Rare but considering Kameo and Star Fox Adventure's I kind of think they would have remained bad on Nintendo, maybe it was the loss of the staff who went off to form Free Radical, they managed to make good games without Nintendo.

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

"I guess these two guys explain why it's so pleb around here, niggers entering video games at the PS1 gen"
Are you trying to hate on Spyro and Crash? Cause I'll fuck your shit up bitch. It was the first console my parents bought me, sue me faggot.

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

I guess these two guys explain why it's so pleb around here, niggers entering video games at the PS1 gen.

What's wrong with that? It was the last step before the zenith.

Caleb Gutierrez
Caleb Gutierrez

I hope pic related will usher in a new era of comfy animal platformers.

Elijah Howard
Elijah Howard

Firstly you won't fuck my shit up. and you already know what I said because it's the last part of my fucking statement.

Jose Thompson
Jose Thompson

my childhood > your childhood

Oliver Hill
Oliver Hill

Man, I remember that thing seeming like the freakiest shit when I was a kid.

Kayden Sanchez
Kayden Sanchez

pic 2 is the only closure we got with his story

Hunter Wood
Hunter Wood

knowing this industry it will just usher in a new era of cheap nostalgia cash-ins though.

Austin Bailey
Austin Bailey

taking that statement seriously

Hudson Lee
Hudson Lee

The combination of the PS1s previously unmatched success and the small and often lackluster first party offerings by Sony would eventually lead to the Third Party dominated AAA fest we see today. Sony can't be blamed here, it's like Blaming World of Warcraft for the stagnation of the MMO market for being so fucking good.

Aren't we already there?

Oliver White
Oliver White

Summer is real and its here, if you had any doubt before you certainly don't have any now.

Isaiah Clark
Isaiah Clark

What the hell search engine were you using?

Mason Campbell
Mason Campbell

become the villain
the next Crash game will be about how Neo Cortex is now the good guy and needs to stop the blasted Bandicoot from collecting all the crystals before he destroys the planet

Carson Hill
Carson Hill

I really don't like what the games have become, but they aren't bad per se.

Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

mfw Squeenix didn't even bother trying again after Gex 3 and basically left the series up for grabs

Jackson Garcia
Jackson Garcia

Startpage
It would be awesome if the original guys got the license back. Pic related.

Christian Myers
Christian Myers

I just wanted to add that the pic I posted in really speaks to what has happened in the games industry in general. Even just read the answer to the second question on the top right: "a period in the game industry where small teams could make big product", and "the camaraderie" part, and "the work one person did had a much bigger impact on the games outcome". Now it's just giant teams that don't ever interact with one another rather than a small team of friends working together on a project they are truly passionate about.

Kevin Watson
Kevin Watson

Ratchet became a cuck from the 2nd game onwards

Jaxson Thomas
Jaxson Thomas

*top left I meant

Levi White
Levi White

I couldn't find any of those things you described.

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

Apparently the order the images appear changes, scroll down some and I'm sure you will see them.

Pic related, censored for gecko dick

Elijah Nguyen
Elijah Nguyen

Take your bullshit somewhere else coward.

Jordan Young
Jordan Young

The ones I remember most are Sonic, Crash, and Spyro.
tfw they've all gone to shit
Even moving up into my teen years, most of the series I loved are dead.
I'll never forget you, Viewtiful Joe.

John Wood
John Wood

He didn't become a villain, he just died.

Hudson Sullivan
Hudson Sullivan

There are worse fates, apparently Crash was also added to skylanders.

Joshua Cook
Joshua Cook

Aside from the stagnation his series has been suffering from for the past few years I'd say it feels pretty good to be a Mario kiddie, especially since he's my all-time favorite vidya character

Pac-Man on the other hand has been through too much and deserves to be put down by now. The reboot has done nothing good for him, and the fact that it's still being pushed pains me the more I see it

Crash doesn't even look all that bad in Skylanders, honestly. It's better than his other redesigns he's had, even if it's not 100% accurate to his original apperance

Dominic Morales
Dominic Morales

Mario never really changes. That's why he's still so popular, I think. Sometimes the games do things a little bit different, but he's always still a chubby, short guy with a big mustache.

John Garcia
John Garcia

It keeps the core gameplay the same, and that's what I'd say matters most. Reboots/remakes always focus on changing things people love about the series that just end up splitting the fanbase, Mario has never really had that problem, instead he's had the problem of staying a bit too close to the formula

Easton Young
Easton Young

Startpage brings up so many weird porn results.

Nicholas Perry
Nicholas Perry

He doesn't look as retarded as Spyro, but I was referring more to the game he's in.

Nintendo plays it safe, but Mario probably still sells huge. Although I don't really keep up with Nintendo sales figures.

I started using it because somebody on /tech/ recommended it a long time ago. I never really used it for porn, but now that you mention it, it seems to bring up some questionable shit when I search some of the game characters mentioned in this thread. A pic of Spyro and Crash kissing for example.

Ryan Diaz
Ryan Diaz

Mario still sells well, basically on name alone. It's a safe bet that any mario game you pick up is going to play the way you expect it to, and be functional.

Andrew Thomas
Andrew Thomas

Where is this pic from? Are there more? Google only links me to halfchan boards.

Jackson Rogers
Jackson Rogers

mah nigga

i genuinely want to punch the cunt responsible for this

Justin Butler
Justin Butler

Neglected and left for dead by Microsoft and Rare, but Yooka-Laylee looks promising enough. I didn't back it, though.

Ian Morales
Ian Morales

Eh, I'll take Skylanders Crash over tribal armband tattoo Crash.

Nolan Green
Nolan Green

warcraft 2, and yes

Luis Clark
Luis Clark

nothing has lived up to galaxy but at their worst they are alright games. until we get into what happened to paper mario

Nathan Clark
Nathan Clark

Snake Logan from Bio-Menace, Duke Nukem, and Halloween Harry were side-scrolling platformers that took a different approach from Super Mario. The levels in those games had non-linear structures and gave the main characters guns rather than lethal jumps.

Sadly, Snake and Harry are all but forgotten and Duke Nukem is a meme. At least there's a fan-made Duke Nukem Forever that washes out the foul taste in my soul left by Gearbox.

Aiden Parker
Aiden Parker

He looks like one of those balloon sculptures. At least it's not much of a retrogression considering how Crash 1 has that uncomfortable, off-putting rape face.

Samuel Fisher
Samuel Fisher

pandemonium

Stop the press! Who is that?

Hudson Anderson
Hudson Anderson

Is that the visual representation of an autistic brain?

John Martin
John Martin

I know that feel, Blizzard meant something to me when I was a kid.

not liking the rape face

Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

Fucking A

Camden James
Camden James

Getting the gems in crash 1 is fucking hard.
slippery climb or whatever its called does hell to my nerves.

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

Holy fuck I remember this game.

I never completed it

Dock the blue ball if ya please

William Jenkins
William Jenkins

There's a beta of Crash 1 that contains a level that is essentially a harder level of Slippery Climb. By far the hardest level in the series. Can't call yourself a real fan unless you download and play that shit right now, user.

To answer OP's question, Crash and Spyro were mine as well. I just finished playing through Crash 3 again. Funny how it took me like 15 years to get all the platinum relics the first time. Now I beat the whole game with all platinums in just a few days. CTR was even harder, though. Beating Oxide in every Time Trial is maybe the hardest thing I've ever done.

I can't wait for Activision to get back to ruining Crash like they did from 2000-2010. The team doing the remasters is even Vicarious Visions, AKA, the team that took over after Naughty Dog, but didn't make Wrath of Cortex or Twinsanity, the only ones that showed hopes of being good (but were still unfinished and thus kinda meh).

At least his Skylanders design isn't as bad as Spyro's burn victim design.

Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson

were did you hear vicarious is doing the remasters?

Andrew Sanchez
Andrew Sanchez

This actually looks pretty good

Jordan Phillips
Jordan Phillips

It was in the written press release Sony put out after the announcement at E3.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

well. okay. that narrows my hope down to 50% probably be good and 50% probably be terrible
i hate life

Justin Scott
Justin Scott

I need to play some games from my youth again, I never 100%'d anything when I was a kid. CTR and Crash Bash were both great spin offs.

The team doing the remasters is even Vicarious Visions, AKA, the team that took over after Naughty Dog

Well fuck

What do you think triggers autism so severe that somebody combines an anthropomorphic gecko from a forgotten 90s video game with the main character of a widely hated modern reboot of DMC? I mean, to remember Gex, this tortured soul would most likely be in his mid to late twenties.

Wyatt Myers
Wyatt Myers

Crash Bash is an acceptable spinoff. It pales to Crash Team Racing, though, which is arguably the best Crash game and definitely the best kart racer of it's gen, maybe ever.

Wrath of Cortex and Twinsanity are both better post-Naughty Dog Crash games than Bash was, though. Hell, even the GBA games are. Crash was lucky to just be mediocre during the PS2/GBA era. Once the DS/Wii/360 game out, that's when all hell broke loose.

Also, isn't it weird that there's no Crash game on PS3? Speaks volumes about the state of the series by that point, doesn't it?

Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

C&C4 totally ruined Kane & all the previous story build up concerning the character. It's a shame. (´;ω;`)

What the hell? They both look look horrible!

I need to dig a copy of Croc and Croc 2 from somewhere and try those games again. It's been over ten years since I've played Croc.

John Butler
John Butler

i dont really get the hate behind wrath of cortex. i mean sure the loading times were fucking abysmal and the gamecube port is fucking atrocious, but i really couldnt find much to be pissed off about over it. if anything i'd say its on par with twinsanity, and that fucking game was a glitchy, unpolished mess that was still fun as hell

Aaron Miller
Aaron Miller

Wrath of Cortex is essentially a worse version of Warped. Of course that still leaves it as being pretty good. Twinsanity at least tried to evolve the series in a logical direction, and I think a lot of people give it points for that. It feels a lot more ambitious.

Of course Wrath of Cortex would have been an open world game like Twinsanity, with Marc Cerny's involvement, if Universal hadn't jewed out and made them cut the project down to a fraction of its former size, then rush the release date. And then they (now Vivendi) did the same with Twinsanity again.

Nicholas Williams
Nicholas Williams

Of course Wrath of Cortex would have been an open world game like Twinsanity, with Marc Cerny's involvement, if Universal hadn't jewed out and made them cut the project down to a fraction of its former size, then rush the release date. And then they (now Vivendi) did the same with Twinsanity again.

this right here is what happens when you let jewbro shitlords who don't even play video games, make video games.
if you want it done right, do it yourself or however the fuck the saying goes.

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

Sadly, Snake and Harry are all but forgotten

Snake still lives in my heart. It was the first shooter i played as a kid. Damn, that soundtrack was awesome.

Easton Green
Easton Green

I had a "clan" of favorite characters

Adam Turner
Adam Turner

Sandro.
This motherfucker outplayed them all.

Xavier Watson
Xavier Watson

I never really spent a lot of time playing games as a kid until AoE, and especially not until Diablo 2. I played those game a lot, a fucking lot, and i still do

Elijah Morris
Elijah Morris

"Crash Bash is an acceptable spinoff. It pales to Crash Team Racing, though, which is arguably the best Crash game and definitely the best kart racer of it's gen, maybe ever."

Yeah, I was more comparing it to the games within the party game genre, or whatever that genre is officially called.

"Also, isn't it weird that there's no Crash game on PS3? Speaks volumes about the state of the series by that point, doesn't it?"

It really, really does. Crash was basically Sony's Mario for me when I was a kid. Wait, who is Sony's Mario again? Do they even have one? Maybe it's because I have a shit memory, but I'm drawing a blank here.

Yeah, I liked WoC. Never knew it had a gamecube port though.

MediEvil, there's a game that looked cool but I never got around to playing. Legend of Dragoon I'm pretty sure I finished, as well as FF7. SoTN I didn't play until a few years ago, had a lot of fun with that one, although it was my first time playing a Castlevania game as I had only ever watched others play the series when I was a kid.

Ian Baker
Ian Baker

Hey, 3/5 in Sm4sh, not bad.
The dragon guy is Corrin

Ethan Bailey
Ethan Bailey

Damn, that soundtrack was awesome.
do share

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

I miss being a kid ;_;

Evan Morales
Evan Morales

They dont anymore, unless you count drake from uncharted. Funny how Naughty Dog is still leading the way with them.

I miss medievil, i really do, theyre great games.
But i guess its better to be dead than be revived in this fucking hell that the current gaming industry is.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

And for Microsoft it would be, I don't know, Master Chief I guess? I never really gave this much thought, but Nintendo really has the famous mascots card locked down. Who is Nathan Drake compared to Mario? Master Chief to Link? Normalfags know who Donkey Kong is, I can't say the same for.. shit, I can't even think of a noteworthy enough example; all the good characters I remember are either dead or forgotten.

"But i guess its better to be dead than be revived in this fucking hell that the current gaming industry is."

Unfortunately, yes. We can always remember the good times, r-right user?

Carter Clark
Carter Clark

MediEvil, there's a game that looked cool but I never got around to playing
Pick it up NOW. The only thing that feels a bit outdated nowadays is the camera, but other than that it's an amazing game with a lot of originality, incredible atmosphere and music, really fun and satisfying gameplay and good humor here and there. Sequel is a bit meh but still pretty good and retains the same atmosphere.

Nicholas Myers
Nicholas Myers

its better to be dead than be revived in this fucking hell that the current gaming industry is.
Uhhhhhh

Was that a pun? Even the name of the game is RESURRECTION

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

square enix didn't own eidos until like 2010 you underage faggot. it was an eidos property since the 90s, and died in the 90s.

Joshua Edwards
Joshua Edwards

Do they even have one?
Mascots fell out of favor after the '90s. I mean, does Xbox have a "Mario?" You could argue Master Chief, but it's not really the same.

Sony has Toro in Japan, whatever the fuck he is, and Sackboy, but neither comes close to what Crash was. If we're counting guys like Master Chief, though, then we might as well count Drake Fortune.

Luis Jenkins
Luis Jenkins

"Mascots fell out of favor after the '90s"
When I say mascots I mean highly recognizable, game selling characters that every normalfag and their mother know of.

Juan Jenkins
Juan Jenkins

Well in that case the last one to even come close to that was probably Halo. Before that, maybe Crash and Tomb Raider. But really the only ones true casuals may know are Pac-Man, Mario, Danky Kang, Sonic, and Pikachu.

David Flores
David Flores

The earlier entries were more difficult imo, but this one was still fun. I think my favorite is the island of Dr.Brain

Easton Hughes
Easton Hughes

They definitely know others like Zelda (even if they call Link Zelda), and most of the characters that hang out with Mario (especially Luigi and Bowser). You seem to underestimate just how useful these characters are, the rights to Mario alone are probably worth more than all the Sony and Microsoft owned characters combined.

Lincoln Ross
Lincoln Ross

Go ahead and show random people on the street a picture of Link. Ask them to name him. Most of them won't call him Link or Zelda. They won't know. Link/Zelda is no Mario. No Sonic. No Pac-Man. Donkey Kong is surely above Link/Zelda but I doubt even he goes anywhere near as high as the top three recognized video game characters. There's a big gap between them and the next closest (probably DK), and a big gap between him and the next closest (guys like Link, Master Chief, Drake, Lara Croft).

Actually, DK would have been a lot higher in the past, and so would Lara Croft. DK was overshadowed by Mario and then we got a long stretch with few notable DK games at all, and nothing with the cultural penetration of the original. Tomb Raider was huge in the late '90s, but after the movie, faded fast. Similar situation to Crash.

I'm not underestimating how useful characters like Mario are, you are underestimating Mario by thinking Link is anywhere near as recognizable as him. Mario is a whole other level. Sonic and Pac-Man maybe come close. That's it.

Blake Thompson
Blake Thompson

Would I know what's it about if I played the first one?
No. I would recommend it, its about helping dexter and its before they take the time machine. To truly understand whats happening, you have to finish 3.

Jason Stewart
Jason Stewart

"Go ahead and show random people on the street a picture of Link. Ask them to name him. Most of them won't call him Link or Zelda."
I disagree completely, most people under 30 would know him. He's definitely on the level of Sonic and Donkey Kong to people who were under twenty when Ocarina came out, I'll tell you that much. Donkey Kong and Pac-Man have the edge if we are talking about the 35+ never-ever played video games crowd. Pac-Man is recognizable by old people because of the arcade games, and kids might know him from smash, but he's about as likely to sell a game as Peach.

"There's a big gap between them and the next closest (probably DK), and a big gap between him and the next closest (guys like Link, Master Chief, Drake, Lara Croft)."

Really user, Nathan Drake is that high up in your mind? Lara Croft has been around for a long while, and more importantly, has been in multiple big budget live action movies and played by by an A-lister to boot. She also has a new movie coming out, which will get the Grrl power, and NuGhostbusters, and the hipster side of The Force awakens crowd. I'd wager you overestimate Sonic as well, if somebody knows Sonic They'll know Donkey Kong, and Luigi, and Bowser, and Link.

"I'm not underestimating how useful characters like Mario are, you are underestimating Mario by thinking Link is anywhere near as recognizable as him. Mario is a whole other level. Sonic and Pac-Man maybe come close. That's it."
I never even tried to say that Mario wasn't the king, simply that these other characters I mentioned will push games like no other Sony and Microsoft character. Hyrule Warriors no doubt destroyed Halo Wars in sales for example, and Nathan Drake? Nathan Drake is a fucking nobody, he lives entirely based on his games name. Hell, I wouldn't recognize that generic looking faggot if I didn't come to Holla Forums.

Essentially what I'm saying is: Halo and Uncharted are like Call of Duty and Battlefield, the games name sells. Nintendos main characters have spin off selling power.

And about what you said here:

"But really the only ones true casuals may know are Pac-Man, Mario, Danky Kang, Sonic, and Pikachu."
A casual can just be a reddit pleb who likes dragon age inquisition and gone home. Even the guy who plays CoD once a week for an hour on sunday will know the characters I mentioned. The only breed of Casual I can think of that might not know all of them is the jock in his forties who didn't play anything before the ps3/360 came out, and now he plays nhl/nfl/fifa and couldn't give less of a fuck about any other game that has ever existed – that guy won't know sonic, but he'll know Mario and Pac-Man, you're right.

Aiden Reyes
Aiden Reyes

Donkey Kong and Pac-Man have the edge if we are talking about the 35+ never-ever played video games crowd.
Or the under 35 never-ever played a video game (except maybe mobileshit) crowd. And these crowds are gigantic. Mario is one of the few recognizable to them. That just shows you how absolutely far beyond Link and most other characters Mario is.

Really user, Nathan Drake is that high up in your mind?
Meh, people were talking about Drake earlier and I guess he was on my mind. But yeah, he's lower. But so are all those other characters. People have forgotten Lara Croft. Kids know Drake but may not know Croft anymore since the last few games were forgettable as fuck and didn't sell the kinds of numbers Uncharted puts out. (Not that Uncharted isn't forgettable either, but these fags like it for some reason).

You've got a point that SJWs might give Croft an extra few points though.

You mention Luigi, Peach, Bowser. Yeah, people know them. Bowser perhaps less so. But people know Mario, Luigi, and "The Princess." It largely has to do with what games they were in. Bowser, maybe called Koopa, or "that dinosaur guy" is probably recognized a fair amount, but I doubt as much as the protagonist characters. And even out of the protagonists, Toad is less so. Despite all four being in SMB2, Peach gets the boost in being memorable due to being able to float, and therefore being casuals' favorite character in an extremely popular game that had immense cultural penetration.

Halo and Uncharted are like Call of Duty and Battlefield, the games name sells.
I wouldn't disagree. Halo is a pretty cool guy. He shoots aliens and doesn't afraid of anything. And I already called Nathan Drake Drake Fortune. So yeah, I'll concede this point. I was getting series and characters' mixed up here, but I'll give you that these characters, though more recognizable than most, could be swapped out and still have their series sell.

What I'm saying with them is that they have recognition. Be it name or image. And yes, it absolutely pales in comparison to guys like Mario. That just shows how far ahead Mario is of everyone else. Very few video game characters have any real cultural recognition. That's my entire point here. These other guys are the closest it gets outside of the few biggest names, and they're still quite unrecognizable.

I think an issue is that you're ignoring the vast, vast segments of the population that don't even qualify as casual. Those people will still know Mario and Pac-Man because they're cultural icons. That just shows how far beyond everyone else they are.

I still think you vastly overestimate Zelda and underestimate Sonic. Sonic has had five tv shows, including a current one, and was the only character to ever truly rival Mario, even if that was over a decade ago. Sonic sold Sega, and Sega managed to rival Nintendo. Even after people turned on the franchise and Sega stopped making consoles, Sonic still had two well rated tv shows.

Zelda might be popular among people who play video games, but others won't know it. Its reputation is vastly inflated on the internet, partially because of people who just want to pretend they like video games latching onto the meme that Ocarina of Time is the best game ever, or Majora's Mask is "dark." But still, it's failed to leap into the wider cultural consciousness in the way Mario, Pac-Man, and I argue Sonic, have done.

Once again, just show random passersby a picture of Link, and a picture of Sonic. I'm willing to bet many will recognize Sonic, but few will recognize Link, even if you count the people who call him Zelda.

Jonathan Watson
Jonathan Watson

I would blame Sony for its cancerous marketing and media manupilation.
I would bet game journalism is the way it is because how much Sony fucked up the PS3's launch.

David Howard
David Howard

eventually lead to the Third Party dominated AAA fest we see today.
I remember that Bethesda complaining about Nintendo not asking them for their input on how to design the Wii U.
Bethesda

Elijah Thomas
Elijah Thomas

I would bet game journalism is the way it is because how much Sony fucked up the PS3's launch.
How would those things relate?

Matthew Hill
Matthew Hill

I would blame Sony for its cancerous marketing and media manupilation.
Also, Sony was doing nothing that Sega wasn't doing before them. Shit was X-TREEM in the '90s. It was common in everything from vidya to comics to cartoons to treat kids as more adult and appeal to an older audience, or at least an audience that wanted to feel older.

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

There is this post circling around explaining that but I think it because the press shat on the PS3 so much. Also, the gaming press became full faggot at the 7th gen and E3 became a press only event.

Also, Sony was doing nothing that Sega wasn't doing before them.
All I want for Christmas is a PSP.

Elijah Taylor
Elijah Taylor

So you think the press shat on PS3 so hard that they legitimately stopped liking video games and only like walking simulators now?

And Sony's attempts at viral marketing (which a lot of companies were trying to do at the time) were particularly disastrous for video games overall because… I don't get this one. It was shit marketing, but it basically just came back to bite them on the ass, and that was pretty much the only effect it had.

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

So you think the press shat on PS3 so hard that they legitimately stopped liking video games and only like walking simulators now?
No, E3 became a press only event to better damage control things. The press and publishers relationship grew stronger. SJWs came a lot later with the indie scene boom.

don't get this one. It was shit marketing, but it basically just came back to bite them on the ass
I'm saying that Sony did a lot of underhanded viral marketing and I was implying that there was more like Neogaf. Besides, it didn't do that much damage. Sony was able to start a hash that litterally says that they are pro-consumer.

Colton Rogers
Colton Rogers

I suddenly realized that more people probably know angry birds than some of these characters we are talking about.

"People have forgotten Lara Croft. Kids know Drake but may not know Croft anymore since the last few games were forgettable as fuck and didn't sell the kinds of numbers Uncharted puts out. (Not that Uncharted isn't forgettable either, but these fags like it for some reason)."
Yeah, if this new movie doesn't manage to do any better than the games then Lara will be in hot water I imagine. Ghostbusters and TFA at least have/had nostalgic adults buying tickets, but Tomb Raider doesn't have that, and probably won't be able to stir up as much SJW controversy as Ghostbusters did, because people don't give as much of a fuck about Lara, and she was already a woman. This movie will probably do little to reinvigorate Lara's popularity, just as the old ones have no doubt faded from memory. Unless it turns out to not be mediocre at best that is, but I'm not enthusiastic.

"What I'm saying with them is that they have recognition. Be it name or image. And yes, it absolutely pales in comparison to guys like Mario. That just shows how far ahead Mario is of everyone else. Very few video game characters have any real cultural recognition. That's my entire point here. These other guys are the closest it gets outside of the few biggest names, and they're still quite unrecognizable."
Yeah, I'll agree to that.

"I still think you vastly overestimate Zelda and underestimate Sonic. Sonic has had five tv shows, including a current one, and was the only character to ever truly rival Mario, even if that was over a decade ago. Sonic sold Sega, and Sega managed to rival Nintendo. Even after people turned on the franchise and Sega stopped making consoles, Sonic still had two well rated tv shows."
I may not have properly explained myself on the topic of Sonic. What I meant to say was that there would be massive overlap between him and the others I mentioned, like if somebody only played Sonic in Sonic's early days, then they surely played/were aware of Zelda, and if a kid watched the cartoons then he probably plays video games and knows all these characters we've been talking about. If I truly overestimate Zelda's fame it's because I've met a notable amount of normalfags who say they were really into OoT and MM as kids. To clarify: when I say normalfags I mean like meathead jocks and party-holic chads, neither of which even own any video games, or would have a reason to lie about that shit, not hipsters or beta preppyfags. I agree with you though, that Sonic is something else entirely.

Xavier Parker
Xavier Parker

like if somebody only played Sonic in Sonic's early days, then they surely played/were aware of Zelda
I doubt that. This would imply Zelda had the cultural penetration of Sonic, and I don't think it did. Sonic was everywhere, Sonic was a system seller. I'm sure there were many kids who got a Genesis purely for Sonic, and couldn't name many other characters at all. Sonic had two TV shows at the same time, and a comic book that is still going almost 25 years later. Sonic was the pack in game with the console. Sonic was fucking huge, and is still relatively huge compared to most.

Juan Williams
Juan Williams

"This would imply Zelda had the cultural penetration of Sonic"
Not at all, it would imply if a person likes Metallica, then they probably know who Pantera is.

Either way, this discussion has gone too far from what I was trying to say in the first place: Nintendo has lots of characters that are highly recognizable. That doesn't necessarily mean that a person who has never touched a video game knows them all, but if they have then they'll know them.

Chase Lee
Chase Lee

Aw man the commander keen games give me heavy nostalgia. Guess I'm happy they did not attempt another sequel to ruin everything.. didn't they?

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