Mfw getting trashed by dozens of people on the Facebook group of a socialist organization in my university for...

the ride just never fucking ends does it

Is that their observation?

That's right, check your muh privilege whitey. :^)

You know what you have to do, comrade.

Organise a study session on 'Marxism and PoC' and pull a Brevik..

Death to the counter-revolutionaries!

Or you could, you know, actually incorporate women and PoC writers who actually discuss the subject.

Also, PoC is a racist term.

That's just tokenism.

You coulda thrown Luxy in there for good measure user.

The writers with the best things to say/that are most influential should be included, whether they're white black or whatever

No, "People of Color" is a perfectly non-problematic term for them.
Just don't say "colored people," or else you're a disgusting racist.
Unless you're the NAACP, in which case it's perfectly fine.

It's tokenism if you're doing it to just to do it, but pretending that Rosa didn't respond to Lenin on the national question is just silly.

And I'm sure you could see why a presumably white bro, or a group of white guys, might not necessarily be the best arbiter of what the "best things to say" is. I agree with you and you're obviously not wrong, but what's influential or deemed the best is influenced by the culture. The most famous work by Mariategui is on the subject. Rosa responded to Lenin on the topic. I'm not familiar with Fanon but I'd assume he's written something on the topic.

I thought it was the opposite? Jesus Christ, i can't follow that shit.

So, "White" people have no color?
And what about albino africans? Are they not "of color"?
And, is the basic characteristic of a person according to which we categorize them, their skin color? Isn't that what racism is?

So, they should go past the basics, only so that they can immideatly study women and non-white people?

Just through in Rosa and something about Imperialism by W.E.B. DuBois

throw

Can you like literally not omfg

Just like, throw in some Luxemburg, Mao, Sankara, Che, or whoever.

Once these people learn some actual theory and class consciousness, they should stop being so fucking annoying.

You're being pedantic and you know it. If OP was at all a functioning human, he'd ask them who'd they suggest, or say that Lenin and Kautsky are foundational but the Rosa wrote on the issue, or here's an essay by a LatinX dude also discussing it to add to the list, like don't be an obtuse loser homie.

wasn't dubois basically a house nigger?

do some black panthers or malcolm X instead. bitches fucking love militant blacks

Ok. I agree.
But if the others wanted to have the study group, THEY would propose this, instead of complaining.

And tha is the problem.

These people don't want to change anything.
They just want reasons to complain.

Their opinion is as valid as anyone else. Not everthing can or should bre filtered through some racial prism. If he was talking about something where black voices are clearly the most important (the black panthers, civil rights movement, etc) then that would be one thing but come on. It's insipid that every group of thinkers or panellists are expected to include women and non whites by virtue of existing.

They're not socialists, user.

They're feminists and counter-culture liberals that decided that capitalism is bad too, but never really adopted socialist thought. Everything is still a culture war to them, and capitalism is only bad in their eyes because they see it as a cishet white male economic system.

Or if OP cared about class consciousness or whatever the point of a study group is, he'd be responsive to the group instead of doing what you said. If they're responding, presumably they DO want to change something because they see something missing in the material which is the voice of particularly marginalized group. Or, if OP asks if they have any recommendations and they offer nothing, then you'd know you're right at least.


Sure, and I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that black and minority voices are probably pretty important considering how closely related this is to nationalism, colonialism, and how to understand a liberatory struggle against both.

Wasn't Lenin Mongol? Technically he shouldn't be considered White so…

Forgot shitposting flag

Yet the response to him is the essence of tokenism. It isn't "here are these thinkers who are important to the topic for these reasons" but "no female or poc writers." If they wanted to include Luxemburg (who would actually fit with the others), they would have stated so rather than the nonspecific complaints.

Also, assuming that, because of the OP's choices, the OP is "a presumably white bro" in as a means of discrediting his choices is simply noxious identitarianism.

People of Colour is a term used with pride. "c*loured people" is a pejorative that suggests that something was *done* to these people, specifically they were "coloured" rather than simply being People of Colour.

I hope you don't tell your professors this. For one thing not every word that is suffixed with ed is a past tense/participle verb; they can be adjectives too, describing the noun (e.g. bored kittens).

I know you're shitposting, but
Actually describes exactly why "coloreds" is more correct from a leftist perspective than "people of color." The fact is that they were colored by ideology. There is nothing inherent about their color, they are not "of" or "from" color.

Well, so is Nigger, among black people.

A slur can be used with pride, you know. That doesn't make it less of a slur.

Hell.. Even Commie is a slur!

Or you could stop giving a shit about things like that and start caring about ideas. Ideas have no race or sex.

Why wouldn't they be? Are you saying race affects their opinions? Wouldn't that make you a fucking racist?

Why?

that's what you get for ignoring luxy tbh

Remind them that Parvus was Jewish and Lenin was quarter Jewish.
Go full U BEIN ANTI-SEMITIC M8? U QUESTION THE SUFFERING OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?

Good advice. Beat them at their own game, OP.

Top kek

Yes, those poor suffering Israeli children.

Stalin was born as a caucasian under russian imperialist rule.
He was born as an oppressed people.

i find it offensive and excellent how thoughtlessly you're using the capital letters C and P unseperated, especially considering your surrounding
you should be banned at least for a week to reflect on your insensitive triggering content, sinner

I just pretend to be trans at my university. It's the only way I can get people to at least pretend they're interested in my ideas.

funny, i do the opposite

;_;

You're pretty autistic if you didn't see that coming, tbh. Next you should include women and non-white theorists straight away to stop the whining before it starts. Don't give the liberals any room to maneuver.

That's pretty much your fault, honestly.

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