Game set in the far future

Because if we could figure out what the next big thing in the future would be, we would be building it.

Why do you think books from hundreds of years ago about the future all imagined the world as mostly the same?

They thought monarchy would continue to be the default form of government, no one thought there would be airplanes, or radio, or nukes. Predicting the future is hard, that's why.

I'm curious what you are referencing.

If you add all those things to a gun, will a person be more dead if you shoot them in the head with it, or will they be the same dead?

Heavy caliber with shitload of recoil and heavy weight, resulting in the AK-74 and the AK 100 series as well as the AN-94.

Heavy, large, bolt action with very large cartridges causing large recoil. Israeli army versions used 5.56 NATO instead, reducing the ammo issues.

They might be timeless, but even those get antiquated.

When did bows and arrows allow rapid fire and armor penetration?

My biggest problem with the firearms is the extra recoil from the exhaust gases; if you have a railgun with 10g bullet and 1500m/s muzzle velocity, the recoil impact is 0.01kg x 1500m/s = 15kg m/ s, but a firearm wits identical ballistic performance would have additional ~30% recoil impact from the exhaus gases (0.01kg x 1500 m/s + ~0.002kg x 2000 m/s ~ 19kg m/ s). Firearms also have very 'snappy' recoil, because the acceleration peaks in the beginning, a railgun would have perfectly smooth recoil.

Literally fucking always.

Pretty sure arrows could penetrate plenty of armor

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_crossbow
Do crossbows count?

Because chemical reactions are far more efficient than anything else we've come up with. Railguns would actually suck cocks no matter what on anything smaller than a naval gun. In Halo the weapons they use have definitely seen an assload of improvement, it's mostly on the materials science side though. I mean the assault rifle fires 7.62x51mm NATO but it probably has a different propellant, heatsink properties in the casings so the fuckers don't melt in space, and all sorts of rounds that do crazy shit like those shredder rounds that shatter when they impact and don't overpenetrate and DU flechette rounds for armor piercing.

Didn't that guy get completely debunked by an actual archer?

Armor penetration requires velocity, and arrows are slow (E~v²!!). Bullets are better. Arrow bullets are the best, naturally.

He said 105 years. The 1911A1, which changed a bunch of things about the 1911 and was the one used up till the US adopting 9MM, was made in 1924 (92 years)

More dead. Tyrone is going to be on drugs and you'll want more than 7 rounds when him and his friends attack.

Yes, and anyone with a shred of common sense.

Its just trick shooting, which is really cool until he tried to make it into a factual thing.

You really think it would be less expensive to train someone to master a bow like that, than to teach them how to fire a gun in a mostly straight line?

Maybe something like today's Kevlar. But we're not talking about today's armor, we're talking about armor like in OP's second pic.

sage in case I double post

So what’s the evidence of that? Since he’s basically citing everything.

How do you make futuristics firearms? Caseless ammo, human machine interface, girostabilizers, lighter polymers, dinamic rate of fire (thanks to the caseless ammo).

the lighter weight and smaller size make it better for logistics and more comfortable for a soldier that might be carring 40 kgs of equipment, faster bullets increases the effective distance of the gun and makes the projectile less likely to be turned away form its objetive because of the wind

If you wanted something to fuck with armor, go with slings. While not as accurate as bows, it's also another weapon that's easy as fuck to make and find ammo for and packs a large punch into a small area. The longest sling throw is actually farther than that of the farthest bow shot as well.

How about railgun instead?

You're in highschool, aren't you?

In the history or warfare archery. His shots don't have anywhere near enough penetration power to be effective in the scenarios he describes. Its silly.

no

Only in the gaps, normally. It happened because of the sheer amount of arrows flying around.

Anyway, someone should make a gigantic bow. In space. Bigger than the fucking moon. With nuclear arrows.

Nice

regular shaped charges from tanks can do the same as that rail gun

Archers required extra training compared to footsolsiers, only a few nations were able to really capitalize on the advantages of bowmen brigades like the English and the Mongels. The gun was revolutionary, it required less strength to reload than crossbows, less strength to use than longbows, when they became long enough you could stick knives on the end and became effective anti-calvary weapons, whereas before archers were sitting ducks who needed spearman to protect their assholes from fancy noblemen and their retinue. Guns replacing bows was an inevitability because guns are an improvement in every way.

Plasma weaponry or whatever you're suggesting humanity move onto something that clearly isn't that more effective than traditional ballistics.

Also you seem top be forgetting the fact that humans developed power armor that enhances user strength to the point they can move effectively and without hindrance in 20 ton armor.

Also seeing as how traditional bullets still penetrates Mjolnir armor (Which is resistant to plasma weaponry mind you) despite this, clearly weaponry has advanced.

Military technology usually doesn't get developed much until there's a need for it. Maybe there were 5 centuries of peace.

Oh, so his techniques ARE correct, it’s just the question of power in those situations, right?

Well no shit. He can barely get any drawback on some of those moves, but that’s not the POINT of those moves. If you’re sitting at a table and need to pop some guys, it’s not the power that matters, it’s the speed. The forced, subconscious response they would have to having arrows embedded in their first layers of armor would be enough to stagger them, allowing you to stand and get in a better position. Same goes for any of the jumping or running scenarios.

The speed at which he shoots allows for non-moving encounters at short range to be deadly, however.

Holy fuck tank games got me hooked

All Newtonian penetrator do, but I like more railguns, because of simplicity, and high velocity.

What's the fucking point, then

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Look dude its cool but really now.

If there is no reason to produce weaponry of a greater magnitude then projectiles then no weapon will be produce. In this setting, while the Human-Covenant War rages on, the UNSC and ONI created plenty of prototype weapons and reinstated their Spartans from suppressing upstart colonial rebels to holding the line against the religious xenos slave army the Covenant threw at them. They had created lasers weapons for Spartans, stations with mass drivers to punch a hole into Covenant ships and fighters that could leave from the planets surface and fight in space without the need of a ship. Of course when this war was going on, many human world were purged and the UNSC didn't have much time or resources nor information to face the Covenant with. This lead to them having to stall as much as possible and fight a war of attrition with the xeno onslaught which didn't leave much room until the end of the war to create new and improve weapons. Besides the shotgun can tear an Elite open and the gauss turret breaks their purple tinted vehicles up so why fix something that isn't broken?

Using a gun is easier then using a bow and arrow. Can preform at a greater distance then a bow and arrow. Quicker to mass produce then bows and arrows. more versatile then a bow and arrow. Lastly quicker to engage a target then a bow and arrow. It cost more but delivers more to a fight with fresh soldiers then experience bowmen.

well in the first game they could be fired indefinitly if you employed a little firing discipline. Considering 90% of ammo used by the military today is used for suppressing fire and is never even intended to hit anyone, and that ME1 weapons (before thermal clips) could go months without a reload, I'd say that is useful.

Railgun rounds are tons cheaper than conventional warheads and have way higher range of fire than your run-of-the-mill ship guns.

Okay, thanks for discrediting your claims.

No shit; no one is questioning that.

overpenetration would be seriously bad in a lot of places

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Jesus fuck how can anybody be this wrong

Anyway, firearms haven't changed much for decades, it's hard to imagine what else is left. If you look at knives, for instance, they topped out ages ago - the only later improvements are better materials for durability, ergonomics, etc. If Sir Faggot from 1542 AD made a game set in today, and had people use basically the same daggers and swords, he wouldn't be too far from the truth.

I imagine the interesting additions you could make are:

Explosive bullets are already a thing, and have been since WW1.

The only advancements left for guns are caseless rounds and rail/energy weapons. Everything else has been invented already, including a foolproof recoil compensation system. (pic related)

I know this, I mean much higher explosive power than is currently possible. For instance a 5.56 that explodes with the force of a hand grenade.

Yeah, I forgot caseless rounds also. Although would that even feel any different in a game?

Not really, you probably wouldn't even see a difference IRL. It's not like a few kilograms affects your performance that much when you're already wearing +50 kilos worth of other gear.

Says who, other than the basic functionality the capabilities of materials and ballisticis might be vastly upgraded.

Some kind of firearm has been used for something like 700 years. I know there were some at Ayn Jalut in 1260 for example. Human beings have not been updated in that entire time. That means we've got an unbroken chain of increasing competence against a fixed target.

Small arms will not get a fundamental overhaul until people become truly bulletproof. For fuck's sake you can still find Afghans who swear by the Mosin Nagant and pass theirs down for generations. You aren't going to find anyone who similarly swears by the M1 bazooka that's been rotting in their grandpa's attic for 60 years.

It's explicitly stated that the weapons in Halo use our modern day munitions and our munitions have a set, explicit pressure level and precise dimensions on the round that cannot be exceeded. There's only so much you can do with them.

Have you ever shot a nugget, you faggot? It's hopelessly outclassed by post WW2 salt rifles.

I'm not saying that there is no room for improvements in small arms and there definitely has been over the past century. My point is that there is no need for root and branch remaking of them yet. We are going to see incremental progress indefinitely.

I fucking love this. It doesn't make much sense but I still love seeing it everytime.

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So antimatter projectile?

Afterall, 1g of matter anihilating 1g of matter release half the energy of Hiroshima…

why

requesting someone post the mgs3 webm

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Could just be chemical with more energy density than what's available today.

In fact: all of our modern applied science is trying to predict the future, and still horribly failing to do so.
Newtonian physics are just methods to calculate forces and velocities and ahead of time.
Medicine is just attempting to see if a patient would survive longer/at all if certain drugs or treatments are used.
Chemistry is trying to figure out how to make a substance with certain abilities appear by deternining what other substances to mix.
All of our applied science is trying to use all of it's knowlege to predict what is going to happen next, and we still fail a lot.

Isn't that classical physics?

You never seen Stargate?
The Asgard's got fucked because they didn't have any projectile based weapons

Kinetic weaponry just fucking werks. Aside from brass casings getting replaced by caseless ammo ala the G11 and gyrojet rounds making a comeback in some capacity now that we actually have fine enough machining capabilities for that shit there isn't much to improve. Well, you could turn every gun's barrel into a railgun but that would require humanity to produce capacitors that both have a large capacity and a way to charge them fast at the same time.

And remember WHAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS.

FUGG

You wouldn't need capacitors for it, just a better energy source which can supply enough power constantly to the coils.
Maybe a better design/material for the coils too