North Korean Perspective

North Korean Researcher Argues that the DPRK was Forced to Pursue a Nuclear Program by U.S. Hostility

This article was contributed to NK News by the DPRK’s Institute of American Studies under the country’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. While it has been edited for content and to conform with most aspects of NK News style, the North Korean state media custom of lower-casing the first letters in “north” and “south” Korea – reflecting the view that they are legitimately one nation – has been maintained.

Throughout the centuries the Korean Peninsula has been drawn to a vortex of the vicious cycle of the escalation of the tension year after year.

There surely exists a problem on the Korean Peninsula, which has drawn the attentions and interests of the world and also made a number of politicians, policymakers and experts argue over the “solutions” for some decades.

The dominant viewpoint of most experts on Korean affairs is that the “the Korean Peninsula Issue is the North Korean Nuclear Issue” and the prospect of its solution seems vague like a “chicken and egg story”.

They are “differentiating” the Korean Peninsula by asserting that there should never be nuclear weapons on the Korean Peninsula and the possession of the nuclear weapons by the DPRK invites more tension on the Korean Peninsula.

In other words, those assertions are based on the logic that there is no problem with thousands of nuclear weapons and the delivery systems possessed by the existing nuclear powers and with those deployed in the place where the nuclear powers have interests in, while the nuclear weapons possessed by the DPRK for the purpose of the self-defense should never be allowed.

I have questions for those who look like setting great value on the “denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula” by “enthusiastically asserting” that “there should not be nuclear weapons on the Korean Peninsula under no circumstances”.

The dominant viewpoint of most experts on Korean affairs is that the “the Korean Peninsula Issue is the North Korean Nuclear Issue”

Why are you turning blind eyes to the fact that the U.S. frequently introduces the nuclear assets, including the nuclear aircraft carriers, nuclear strategic bombers, nuclear submarines into the vicinity of the Korean Peninsula, while not satisfied by the fact that they had already deployed more than 1,000 nuclear weapons of the various kinds in south Korea during the Cold War?

Why are you keeping silence on the fact that south Korea is under the “nuclear umbrella” provided by the U.S.?

Why could you not say a “flat No” to the U.S., the one which is most loudly talking about the keeping of the “nuclear non-proliferation system” and the observation of the international law, is turning the blind eye to the nuclear weapons and the test-fire of the ICBM of the countries in which it has interests, and to the fact that the U.S. committed the brutal armed aggression upon the countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya in defiance of the international law?

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Well he's not wrong.
The US is run by the jews and they'll do everything to spread their control.
Trying to free yourself from them is pretty much guaranteed war.

Despite the blustering over several decades that US supposedly wants to denuclearize North Korea and sees the Norks as a serious threat, I think North Korea serves as a role for the US in East-Asia in justifying military presence in South Korea and Japan. If North Korea did not exist or was just another "good" country the US military would have no excuse to stay in the region. Or they'd have to come up with another excuse. So the article's argument makes sense.

it's a lengthly article with more if you care to follow the link. I researched the issue myself, over several years, using both korean, chinese, and japanese sources. I was very much surprised to learn the koreans in the north had legitimacy. The issue goes all the way back to it's beginning in 1866 with the General Sherman Incident. There is a South Korean movie called the "Sword with No Name" it's a romantic drama set during the reign of Queen Min who was murdered by the Japanese in her royal palace and the pressure the Korean kingdom was under by foreign forces. The Japanese secured their position through the father in law of the Queen, by killing her and then seizing the royal family of Joseon. Japanese control didn't end until the US dropped a nuclear bombs on Japan but then the Japanese were replaced by the military forces of the US and failed to recognize any of the korean patriots who had been fighting since 1890-1945 of which was, primarily the Kim family, the Andong Kim clan and the yangban of the north who historically always held political power in korea. It's a remarkable history once one learns it and really explains the disadvantage those in the north have been in.

The Chinese would be the bad goyim instead.

American hypocrisy over 'rogue states' is fucking disgusting when they are the biggest perpetrator of them all.

Checked and thanks for the interesting summary.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Sherman_incident
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Myeongseong
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heungseon_Daewongun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabo_Reform
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojong_of_Korea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan–Korea_Treaty_of_1910
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule#Independence and division of Korea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Koo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Koo#Death and legacy
And everything went sideways after this. The Andong Kim clan spilt. Those int he South stayed int he South and the more numerous in the North stayed int he north.
The US appointed a figurehead Rhee Syngman

I've read a similar article by a well known American defense blogger recently: www.moonofalabama.org/2017/04/the-reason-behind-north-koreas-nuclear-program-and-its-offer-to-end-it.html

TL;DR basically NK pursues a nuclear program in order to deter the SK-US defense alliance and their massive military exercises in the most economical way possible.

Yes the North Koreans shit their pants every year with Operation Foal Eagle. Last year it was rumored that during the exercise a North Korean submarine was destroyed, or actually went missing, all DPRK sailors lost.

This was last year,

What he fails to mention is that the Norks nukes are more a deterrent against China then against the US. Against an attack of the USA the Norks can count on China not wanting to have US troops on their border. Against an attack from China, a regime-change operation, the Norks can expect no help.

Despite all this the Norks have history of extreme belligerence, against their neighbors; kidnapping, terrorism. There are good reasons for them to want to put down the Norks regime.

I am looking at the situation factually, historically, and objectively. The North Koreans have been under assault also. Look at the documents Ahn Doo hee, Kim Koo's assassin. Who knows what documents will come to light in 2067. Personally I am of the opinion that a peace treaty needs to be agreed upon (it should have occurred a long time ago). This idea of reunification without the establishment of a peace treaty in effect positively for a good number of years can and will never result in any lasting peace or reunification of the Koreas.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Doo-hee

The same is true of Iran.
>Saudi Arabia (your southern neighbor) also acquired all manner of long range missiles. IE Saudi Arabia has nukes (everybody rant about Israel but there is little doubt KSA has nukes too. Again it's well known they're the ones that picked up the tab for the pakistani nuke program, like that out of the kindness of their heart… it's not outsourcing or anything). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Strategic_Missile_Force

So all your neighbors have nukes. All of them are potentially (to totally) hostile, several of them you had to wage war against in recent years and nothing was resolved.

What do you do?

Commies.

t. mad kike

Do you think going to war with NK would be a bad thing? We could liberate all those people. I fucking hate NK though.

Typical burger zionist slave.

I agree let's liberate them by bringing them some jewish freedom such as pornography broadcasted on state media and some of that democracy. Let's also get them to open their border to rapefugees and our jewish banks that have mastered the kike magic of compound interest.

Lots of lefty/pol/ shills ITT

Why though? NK is a hermit kingdom on the other side of the planet which keeps to themselves. They do however hate jews, zionism and Israel, so unless you're a kike…


That is correct and they also have some ballistic missile sites more or less hidden in the desert: www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24823846

This sadly. If you're not friendly to US geo-political expansion, consider yourself fucked. Nothing is free from the Jew's grip.

Yeah, they should be liberated from that evil dictatorship that fosters an isolationist, home grown fascistic ideology. What a horrible place. It's almost as bad as Saddam's WMDs, am I right, /r/the_donald?

>>>/oven/

I kind of feel sorry for the Norks. They were propped up just to be the world's punching bag when they needed to distract the masses with explosions. Does anyone else here think the sudden aggression with best Korea is simply meant to distract us from Syria and to keep the Trump base aimless? I think so.

Here's the thing - we found out plans for a new war and unification with North Korea in 2018. If Trump steps in and accomplishes the very same, I wonder how much has really changed.

It's not a fascist ideology faggot. It's communistic. I think we should nuke the fuckers. They're Asian parasites just like China. Why does pol support them ffs?
I'm totally against interfering in the Middle East but I mean that Gook from NK wants to nuke us. Don't be retards.

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The US doesn't need an excuse to remain in another country. If it did, we would have pulled out of Germany after the collapse of the USSR.

That's so cute. You don't fit in and you don't even know why. Back to reddit

>>>/reddit/

To be honest, it is better to have a portion of your productivity stolen by Jews via inflation than to have EVERYTHING stolen by communists.

That said, I would kill the Jews before I killed the communists, simply because the former is so much more dangerous than the latter. IE communists are ineffective.

Nah /pol is home.

so much so you cannot even spell it. what are you third exodus?

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Stop shilling lefty/pol/ kike

I've always been a supporter of North Korea. Practically everything we're being told about them is utter bullshit - almost as absurd as le holocaust meme. They're just trying to keep themselves isolated from all the subhuman degeneracy that is the Western world and kikery. The west always fucks with them for no reason and when NK finally threats to fight back if we don't fuck off, we start accusing them of being the bad guys.

I wonder what the rest of us think.

I remember all the BEST KOREA threads on halfpol.

Gook lover. Fuck off

North Korea is Nationalist. Only kikes hate the Glorious Leader. Neck yourself, yid.

You are too obvious, kike.

Seems the Holla Forums consensus has always been "it's shit but not that shit. Leave them alone because regime change is bullshit."

Kill yourself gook lover. Shlom Brother.

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As long as Kim arms literally anyone fighting against Israel and calls out the jewish hegemony he's /ourguy/.

But he's a commy plus a fucking gook.
Reeeeeee fuck off shills.

they don't want degeneracy in their country.
why don't you fuck off. There is a good deal of information in this thread for someone to use their own brain and think independently.


There is an absolute fuck ton of historical korean dramas out there nowadays. Queen Seondeok is a 62 episode epic about unified Silla. To this day there is a massive statue in sKorea of Gen Kim Yushin and this dates to the year 632-647. I just finished watching "Six Flying Dragons" a 50 episode drama about King Taejo establishing the fledgling Joseon dynasty (year 1392). Having always been a vassal of China I can not see the Chinese or the Russians siding with the US over the DPRK. It really should be a litmus test. If the DPRK falls China and Russia are next.


This is why and IQ of 94 suits cops so well.

stop replying to shills cuckchan faggot.
Everybody know norks are disgusting communists, nobody is falling for this shit. We all know norks are just a puppet state for Chinese kikes. The best way to fight shills is to ignore them

Yes sir.

instead of spouting your tripe bullshit why don't you do this. Tell us what you know, what you've researched yourself, how much thought you've actually put into the subject matter and then articulate your reasoning here as an argument.

this statement shows me exactly how god damn ignorant you actually are on the subject matter. I have a dog, I put a bowl of food on the floor, the dog eats the food. That's you, no thought given to anything it says or does.

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Oh yeah? That sounds fair. But uh, did US Hostility Also force their leaders to act like crazy warmongers willing to nuke their neighbors at the drop of a hat?

1. He's a gook.
2. He's a communist faggot
3. He's a gook

There's not need for an explanation user.
Death to gooks, Jews and niggers.

Simple

69 years? that is how long the Armistice between nKorea and sKorea has been in effect. I posted this to show what nKorea has to contend with. Foal Eagle had been going on, every year since 1997 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foal_Eagle
If that was Mexico conducting military operations on the US border doing that, and if the US was much weaker conventionally, yeah, I'd say fuck conventional warfare and nuke Mexico City.

Remember: When trying to subvert, shills attach images that they think will resonate and earn rapport with the host culture. Note your shill's pepe posts.

Will you worthless cucks fuck off of my board already? Not a single actual user here falls for your "evil starved NK" bullshit you're spewing.

inb4 >haha Holla Forums why are you defending a communist state? XDDD
Kill yourself if you think North Korea is a communist nation.

Degeneracy-free
Kikery-free
Children taught to be patriots since the day they were born
Having many beautiful children with your race is promoted
Schools and media against Israel and globalism.
A united peoples who are willing to bear arms against the kikes at any given chance
Despite of the criminal and absurd trade blocks from other countries, they managed to feed their own people. Not a single starvation took place ever again after the early 90s.
Government despite of war with the strongest military superpower in the planet, refuses to give in to foreign needs. They stand their ground and protect their people.

"B-but muh Korean girl who escaped said they had her parents killed and everyone starved…"
Worthless subhuman slut who isn't even North Korean, payed to act like a victim.

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There is this bullshit story on thedailymail a few months back.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4009250/My-incredible-Airbnb-adventure-NORTH-KOREA-Fascinating-photographs-taken-hermit-state-traveller-enjoying-unusual-holiday.html
I thought it was a rude representation considering the hospitality offered to their guest. Yes people sleep on the floor in Korea due to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ondol
the "freezer full of rotten fish" was pickled fish. As is common in many places in the world, it need not be explained. The family fed their guest like a king considering their meager means. He talks about the kids eating grass… many greens are grown, most Korean homes int he country have gardens, go to a Korean restaurant and there are endless side dishes of sprouts, greens, radishes, pickles, etc. It's no wonder this ignorant POS shit has been banned from the country.

Hang yourself gook lover.

Hi there cuckchan! Still mad that your shilling has no impact on our board?

Nice D&C shilling and warmongering here, Shlomo.

How much are your neocon handlers paying you?

While this is true, North Korea could have tried improving itself and engage in trade in high enough level that it would have been strategically important for other countries like China to stand by it. At this point, it's so pathetic no one can really care.

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You do realize, that it's under worldwide blockade and can only trade with mainland China? And even then they don't trade for money, but for goods, because they are cut off from the world banking system.

Iran is also blocked by several countries, yet they engage in trade with oil and whatever else so it gets defended.

If they weren't such a worthless economy then someone would want to defend their right to exist as some idiotic country just the same as people defend Cuba's.

I don't. They've played everything fucking retarded, through their insane censorship regime they have utterly failed to get Holla Forums on-side. They have been completely unpersuasive in every way, and they have nobody to blame but themselves for their current situation. It's not like allying with them would give us anything either, if anything they'd be more of a dead weight than Japan or Italy were.

Lolno, Iran wasn't really under sanctions. Only US and EU sanctioned Iran in high-tech and military-related sectors.
And they aren't cut off from the banking, they still sell their oil for petrodollars.

North Korea is under UN blockade, they literally can't buy food.

There is no perspective. There is only objective truth. Kill all communists.

And back to cuckchan you go, neocohen puppet.

I sincerely hope no one here falls for your shit.

So why did you help them back then, hwite brother?

You DPRK fanboys and your black and white autism is hilarious.
Yeah I don't want to waste American lives and dollars on North Korea. Doesn't mean it's not a fucking shithole. The only reason it hasn't been fucked with for all these years is because they don't have any oil.

Checked for digits and truth. ZOGbots on suicide watch.

I don't care whether people like or dislike NK, but there is an obvious effort on the part of some to make us open to the idea of regime change over there. Most of the people shitting on NK are plainly not from around here (if you need that explained to you, then you are either not from here yourself, or else just blinded by your dislike for kimchi), and are not to be trusted.

As for the DPRK "fanboys," call them wrong all you want, but NONE of them are calling for a dumb war.

The USA created this mess and the USA continues to make it worse.

Like I said, let the gooks have that regime or not. Just don't engage the US in any pointless war.
Just top kek at the idea that North Korea is some sort of National Socialist ideal. So am I supposed to take National Socialism as a shitty inefficient system that causes famines? North Korea is literally fossilized 1960s USSR that got more insane since the USSR fell. That being said they don't want war themselves either, they revel in their status because it means the Kims can live in more opulence.

*teleports behind you*
pssh, nothing personal kid
*unzips dick*

good god the astroturf looks like real grass

This, there's clearly outside influences trying to push this on us which is I think the main reason many of us are instinctively pushing back. The problem is that no matter how we look at it, NK a shit. It's nice they're anti-Israel, but the reality is they've demonstrated no degree of competence in any area whatsoever, everything they touch turns to shit. They could have turned themselves into a bastion of free speech or something, they could have got many of us on-side, there are many things they could have done. The reality is that they just fucking suck, they're no benefit for us to bother keeping them around. If the shills were smart they'd just fuck off for a bit, and Holla Forums's default opinion on the norks would swing back to the normal of 'eh they suck, who even cares'. I think the shills pushing to try and push us against NK are shooting themselves in the foot by interfering and triggering our usual immune response against them.

The fake news write about (((famines))) in NK so it must be 100% true. They've never lied up to this point. It's all qualitative investigative journalism. Like, subscribe, share and donate pls.

At least they aren't expected to go extinct through demographic replacement. So yes, they're doing a far better job than we are. Now go play with your iphone.

There's no dancing around it, NK has a communist economic system. I suppose the catastrophic breakdown of the economy currently in Venezuela is fake news too.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But I'm gonna commend communism for being a system so shitty and inefficient that people don't even believe how shitty it is because they can't imagine anything besides the capitalist prosperity they're used to.

Why do you bring Venezuela into your argument? This is obviously a Strawman. Nobody is warmongering about Venezuela like they do about NK…


I don't support ecelebs, but varg brought up the rare earth argument. I haven't look into yet. Does someone has a deeper knowledge about this stuff?

Both are shitholes with terrible economies produced by forms of socialism with inefficient managements and greedy leaders.

I might be remembering things poorly, but was North Korea ever the Korean breadbasket? If the South was where the patties grew best that would explain the 'famines'.

stripes.com/news/carl-vinson-strike-group-seen-near-indonesia-not-the-korean-peninsula-1.464071
washingtonpost.com/world/despite-talk-of-a-military-strike-trumps-armada-was-a-long-way-from-korea/2017/04/18/e8ef4237-e26a-4cfc-b5e9-526c3a17bd41_story.html?utm_term=.a6d974feaf22
sputniknews.com/military/201704181052754728-uss-carl-vinson-indonesia-korea/
nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/aircraft-carrier-north-korea-carl-vinson.html?_r=2

XD

Good job getting demographically replaced. But rejoice, you still have some energy left, it surely is enough for a last war for Israel.

It does my heart good seeing that enough of us here realize that a war against an isolationist de-facto ethno-state does not serve white interests in any way whatsoever.
Polite sage as I'm not really adding anything that hasn't been said, but I'm proud that Holla Forums seems to finally be regaining its stature after the recent 4cuck flood

So you believe a nation has to be a shithole to be nationalist?
Besides DPRK will literally take anyone who wants to live there lol, it's just that no one wants to. If you believe the Kims in charge truly care about nationalism you have zero understanding of human nature, as if no one could ever superficially exploit nationalism for their selfish interests. But then again given how this board was in such an utter shock when a democratically elected president turned out to not be some sort of ultranationalist God Emperor, it's probably the norm here.
North Korea is going to collapse and they're gonna be enriched by the chinks anyway.

No way, user. We're going to conquer NK and bring democracy to them. After that, we'll go after Monaco. They're a monarchy too. Plus, Monaco is rich and we'll take their stuff. It's the Trump way.

Stay the fuck out of other countries. You don't have the mental capabilities to genuinely rule others. The only thing you can do is enable entropy which isn't that hard btw.

They never got their salt reactors the Jimmy Carter Foundation were supposed to build, and Bush lumped them into the Axis of evil. The US broke the agreement Clinton made with them, which caused them to rebuild the nuclear reactors (which they had destroyed, as part of the agreement, in return for salt reactors - which CANT make bomb material… they never got those reactors, just a few concrete pillars in the ground)

Nice reading comprehension bro. I've explicitly stated that the US should not interfere them even though it's a shithole. Crazy I know, but difficult to comprehend with black and white autism.

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Ok then, let's start throwing American Bankers out of windows then…

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I have little confidence the North Korean communism is a truly Korean development. Quite obvious the communism was exported by Jews, the Communism propaganda sent to the North and the capitalist propaganda sent to the South. The resulting tension arising from the arbitrary division of the country into two is an excuse to park American forces next to China. There's a lot of parallels to Vietnam which to me suggests we aren't being told the whole story about best Korea.

I'm against wasting people and resources on North Korea but calling them "isolated from Western capitalist hedonism" is rich, their inner party sure enjoys the fruits of that evil Western capitalism.
People here who are actually naive enough to buy into the idea that nationalist sensibilities can be never exploited are just sad. Thinking the Kims genuinely care about glorious preservation of Korean race and culture is like thinking the figureheads of Scientology actually believe in Xenu and the ayy lmao shit.

The inner party drives cars like this Cadillac Escalade. Meanwhile they let their people starve by refusing to use their immense military might to break the blockade.

kek #justZOGthings

Like when ZOGbots wail about "muh anti-American gommie derrorisds," then send you off to die in a war for Israel? All while the US government, and every other Western government, is crawling with communists?

yeah,no

also GTFO you extremely obvious shill, a war against north Korea is not in the interests of the white race

I thought that I needed to specifically point it out one more time for utter retards like you who think that somebody is "engaging" them in any war whatsoever. But what can one expect from someone who watches Fox News and thinks it's the truth. Get lost.

Reported for kike shill.

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Watch this North Korean documentary (dubbed in english) for their perspective on western consumer propaganda, manufactured consent and globalist corporate imperialism (they also drop the hammer hard on zionism and name the rothschilds). You might be surprised by how much you agree.

You are crazy. Kim genuinely cares about the preservation of Korean race and culture, because it's all he has. Because there comes a point where a leader transcends mortal needs.
He is their god and they are his children. He is above the struggle for money, power or anything else, because he already transcended that. He is the Korean race, the more powerful his country and it's people get, the more powerful he gets, and because his son will take the power after him he makes sure to look into the future when he rules. If his people are hurt his dynasty has nothing to gain, only to lose.
North Korea is basically a hereditary monarchy, with ultranationalist society and communist economy.

Your Commie shithole should get liberated for mercy's sake.

Exhibit A: Name Calling. Insufficient mastery of argumentative skills, understanding of the topic, or more likely all of the above.

Oi vey shut it down, America needs to go to war with them now. Delete those anti semitic facts.

There is an old Korean proverb used during the reign of King Yeongjo. "The people are the sea upon which a monarch sails his ship". Western media likes to portray Kim as a cult of personality but it fails to ever recognize the hundreds if not thousands of officers that surround Kim everywhere he goes. The Kim clan in North Korea has over 100,000+ inter-related family members.

It's been a mistake all along in dealing with the Koreans in treating them as if they were some undeveloped African tripe and not understand they have a history and a civilized culture that stretches back thousands of years. The Koreans like insurmountable odds as depicted by Admiral Yi Sunsin en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Sunsin

gook? You really should read about Neo-Confucianism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Confucianism
The Four Books and Five Classics give one a great understanding that it is not just Communism at play here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Books_and_Five_Classics Granted none of this allows for gender bending trans-homosexual liberalism and instead places great value on ones family. From a pragmatic and practical point of view it's actually well thought out and highly intelligent. I look at Koreans who have embraced Judeo-Christian beliefs so fervently that they discard what makes them Korean, their history. North Korea hasn't done this to the degree South Korea has.

Very wrong, Monarch is the positive, he is a despot, the corruption of monarchy. You would also change your mind if you would starve. The European monarchies and feudalism arose from the private ownership of the feudal lords, which is why Bismarck called the liberation of the peasants socialism. In North Korea are no aristocrats, Kim Jong-un is an unnatural tyrant, no monarch.

This. Fuck the good goyim spouting "MUH COMMUNISM". A Rothschild controlled bank is the issue here.

That's quite the understatement. Worst Koreans teach the talmud in their grade schools.

North Korea has nothing to do with Confucianism, it is an atheist state, how can you be so naive. North Korea is not a traditionalist state, they are also not aware of the great importance of the family, because women are "emaciated" there. Women have to work just like men, as in the Soviet Union.

They are communists
They are atheists
They are despotic
They are feminist


Good arguments, simpleton.

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Monarch rules however he sees fit. There were plenty of monarchs who killed half of their population to achieve greater goals. The goal of monarchy is not pandering to the people, but expanding the country and the culture and gaining regional power in the long run.

You are a retard and don't know history. Monarchies arose from the Romans making government positions hereditary in an attempt to stabilize the corruption in the dying western empire. Most European nobles trace their bloodlines to the Roman patricians.

He fits the description of a king perfectly. And a pretty good one, since North Korea is now the 2nd military power in the whole region, after China.
His grandpa took the throne by the right of destiny, he rules by the right of blood, which makes him a legit king.

This pretty much if the world was to leave Korea alone it'd go back to singular rule by an individual similar to how they did it in the past of complete control over every possible thing their subjects had.

Democracy is lauded often as some world ideal when really it failed the Greeks and even its Republican form couldn't stand up to the oldest and most natural political system, that of the tribe.

I'm neither for or against NK because of the types of actors who want to start something there and involve me but their political system is pretty natural by their genetics.

Monarchies have always existed, everywhere and on every continent, you are a simpleton if you believe the multitude of European governments (most never under Roman rule) all came from Rome. The feudal lord is the owner of his land, his legitimacy derives from it. Every ruler needs legitimacy to be considered non-perverted, Kim does not have such a claim.

Please put your cards on the table, you are a National Bolshevik, not a traditionalist.

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Yeah, they are feminist in a communist sense in that women have the same rights as men, that is none.
People complain nowadays that feminism has destroyed the economy in that it's no longer possible for a man alone to support the household while the woman raises the children, well it was that was in the USSR and other communist states since long ago, everyone was paid starvation wages specifically calculated so that no one can be independent.

That's not what currently is currently accepted as monarchy. These weren't conventional monarchies, but either military dictatorships or religious cults. A king is the one bringing the kingdom's factions together and setting the strategic course for the country.

You are a retard once again. Feudal lordship was an administrative management position, the land was granted or removed according to their performance. If a feudal lord couldn't protect his land or did bring in enough taxes into the budget, he was replaced.

The legitimacy is granted by power, not by some peasants. As long as rule is protected, it is legitimate.

You have 0 idea about history and politics. Please stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself.

Traditionally, religion in North Korea primarily consists of Buddhism and Confucianism and to a lesser extent Korean shamanism and syncretic Chondogyo. bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-14806811
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Buddhism#North_Korea

Pohyon Temple, Mt. Myohyang, DPRK - attached

I'll post it again for the benefit of others, there is zero chance of changing your mind. Hundreds of photos of temples, of monks, of royal tombs, a ancient scripture, of Korean history predating 1900-1955 in North Korea. www.flickr.com/groups/dprk/pool/

In addition to this there are also UNESCO world heritage sites in North Korea. whc.unesco.org/en/list/1278

When you goto rational for North Korea involves Europe it reflects your ignorance regarding the history of the Korean peninsula. Koreans have never waged an offensive war outside their borders.

wtf? you see them everywhere? you see them in their uniforms, or wearing their party label pins.

You throw labels and lack little actually knowledge or insight

What the hell? I hope the others realize how stupid you are. In the traditional mediaeval society there were three power constellations, the feudal lords, the kings and the cities. All these three powers fought with each other, most oft the time held the feudal lords the most power. The king was often electet through elections held by the nobility. An aristocrat is always an agrarian in origin, they possessed their land and therefore had an influence. A new group of aristocrats formed in the late Middle Ages in the Citys, the Grand Burgher, they were also part of the possessing class.

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Feudal Lords??? dude seriously? wtf? we are talking Korea here. Korean for thousands of years was governed by a monarchy, and based on highly structured class system. Most recently with the Joseon dynasty, the Yangban class. I'm not going to provide you with an advanced education on matters you ridicule in your thought process and written words. The Kim family, to a certain extent, by being decedents of the Andong Kim clan feel, based on the class system in Korea to have, and by their actions, the right to rule North Korea, and THEY DO as a matter of fact rule north Korea.

As for your Feudal lordship analogy, this is how crazy it sounds. This is how Korea was ruled in it's early years of Unified Silla. I might add here of which the Andong Kim clan contributed Queens and royal heirs of those Queens. But this is the system for the education of others. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_rank_system
Feudal lordship=in this thread=shows that you know nothing of the Korean peninsula.

Only happened in the Holy Roman Empire, and only because it was a union of independent kingdoms, who elected an emperor. Inside these small kingdoms the same rules of management applied.
Everywhere else the throne was hereditary.

In France, Spain, Russia and pretty much everywhere else the king's will was absolute and they deposed incompetent feudal lord like flies.
Because the true power didn't lie with the landed nobles, but with the armies. Kings with their own armies like or with enough money to buy mercenary companies always kept their vassals in check.

Again, ignorance. Aristocracy had nothing to do with land. 80% of the nobles were stuck sucking some duke's or king's dick at their court hoping to earn a landed position.

You don't know shit, m8.

What do you even want? I am not for a war against North Korea. I have argued only about syntax. An aristocrat has an exact definition, a general does not meet this definition and certainly not a party member (a traditional society has no parties).
I think I am talking to 12 year olds, North Korea is not a traditional society. To repeat myself:
They are communists
They are atheists
They are despotic
They are feminist
In short, they are worthless, just like all the national Bolsheviks, pease remember that Hitler killed such "people".


You take everything out of context, the other Anno made an incorrect statement and I corrected it. Either you can not read or do not want to read. Korea also had aristocrats, just like Europe, at the very least before the Communist Revolution.

It is not worth answering, I hope you read a little more history, because the feudal system was the most widespread system in the Middle Ages.
This reveals your ideology, Bolshevik. Do not talk about European history. you vermin.

not worth commenting with further

It is true. Since the title was inherited by a single kid, and there was no birth control, the rest of the kids had to seek a landed title elsewhere, which ended up in thousands of nobles being stuck at courts sucking dicks, hoping that they will eventually get a title, either by literal dick sucking or cunt licking(like Philippe of Lorraine or Grand Duke Potemkin), by showing valor in battle or by providing excellent service to the state.

You don't know history. End of the line.

Nice projection leftyshit. You answered no points.
North Korea is a communist dictatorship, led by an autistic gook who believes his grandady is the sun. Their centraly planned economy failed. Their culture failed. The only thing that their people want is to get them out of that hellhole.


The mind acrobatics that you leftyshits have to do to excuse your famine based political system is astounding.
Everything else but communism.

Back to cuckchan you go, retard. Holla Forums has always been pro-Assad and pro-Best Korea.

So that others may learn a bit of history:


Some European electoral monarchies:
-According to Aristotle many Greek states
-Holy Roman Empire (Yes true)
-France (!)
-Sweden
-Denmark
-Norway
-Bohemia
-Poland
-Venice
-Transylvania
-Visigoths
-many english regions

lol speak for your own autistic little circle that always comes out of the woodwork whenever DPRK is mentioned, I bet you also think IronMarch is a legitimate place to talk about fascism and not a LARP central

Schizopheria of a subhuman mutt, who descended from kike slaves.

How's this relevant in this thread? Are you copy/pasting or are you constructing a fake consensus as with the "everyone" argument?
Fuck off you commie piece of shit

They want to create some sort of Pavlovian connection, like telling me that calling DPRK a shithole instantly means I want war with them. Commies of the past were pretty damn good at manipulating language and gaslighting, tankies these days are pretty limp though.

Greeks states weren't real monarchies, they were republics with kings as representative figures.
Nope.

Viking chiefs don't count as kings.

Venice was a merchant republic, there was never a king. It was ruled by a council of merchant houses, which was led by an elected doge

Nope.

Nope.


Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth wasn't a kinngom, it was a confederation of states.

Nope. The Visgothic kingdom has a very clear dynasty.

Confirmed for a retard.

You are alone here in your autism, so I suggest you to fuck off and never come back.

Gas yourself, retard.

They are the same evil with a different name.

Despite rather unique political arrangement ,the Commonwealth had a King and everyone in it understood that Commonwealth was a noble republic and a monarchy at the same time.
The "confederate" part of it was gradually less and less important until May Constitution of 1791, when the whole kingdom was declared a constitutional hereditary monarchy with a name of Poland.

lol

kek

It was a "kingdom" in the same sense HRE was an "empire". Not really, no.

Nothing more pathetic and absurd that seeing Holla Forums defend a Stalinist state simply because it doesn't like NATO. The very definition of being defined by your enemies.

Your arguments read exactly the same as one's that French intellectuals like Sartre made in favor of the USSR ("Well you know of course they have their problems but there are no Gulags and what about the West?? and traditional values…did I mention the Gulags don't exist?? don't argue Capitalist shill!").

Threads like this are a good reminder that most people are here are legitimately mentally deficient. There are some people who actually take this place seriously haha

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Oh, and you are an obvious kike btw.

There were electoral monarchies (that's the point here). A republic can not have a Monarch.
France is even the best example, for the feudal rulers had almost total control. Search for House of Capet.
The official title was unfortunately king.
In Venice, aristocrats chose their ruler, so it is the definition of an electoral monarchy.
Search for Principality of Transylvania and apologize.
Bohemia was one of the best examples of an elective monarchy.
And? Poland is probably the most famous specimen, the aristocrats have chosen their ruler for many hundred years.
Read about Chintila and Wamba, the aristocrats had so much power that they had successfully demanded an election.

But that does not matter, the fact is that the nobility held the power and only in exceptional cases the king. Even if the king was not elected by the aristocrats, he could influence his domestic policy only to a limited extent.

Standard apologist tactic. Deflect deflect deflect. Anything to avoid talking about the actual nature of the regime

Myopic.

The shill cries out kike as he bombards you with his pre-prepared images.

Just laughable.

We don't care about the nature of the regime. Anyone fighting the Jew is our friend, this is the only important issue. If amazonian pygmy tribes declare war on the Jews they will have our full support.

Lefty/pol/ tankie kike shills running wild ITT trying to convince retards that the commie gook regime is based and redpilled. They tried to do the same thing after Castro (rip in pieces nigger lover) died. North Korea is not national socialist it is some weird socialist cult of personality commie (with gook characteristics) shithole.

Are you one of those common spic shitskins? There is no such thing as a based non white. Kill yourself nigger lover. Go become an ally with those nation of islam niggers who think white people were created in a lab by a mad scientist just because they hate kikes

Shut the fuck up you disingenuous piece of shit.

A republic can have a king, but not monarch. Greek republics weren't monarchies, because the king couldn't as much as fart without government's approval. That's how Leonid died.

Capet was a very clear hereditary dynasty, had no elections.

No, it wasn't. It's translated as a "petty king" by the way, which is a very different thing from a real king. Basically a chief.

You are one retarded cunt. They weren't aristocrats, they were merchants and they elected a head merchant.

You keep moving the goalposts and argue like a kike despite having 0 knowledge in the subject.

^^^
wouldn't be a Holla Forums thread without two autists arguing about irrelevant bullshit

lmfao

So? Hitler was allied with Stalin at the time Gulags existed and had 0 problem with it. NSDAP and Stalin's party were considered fraternal parties too.
Are you saying Hitler was a commie?


Hitler considered eastern Asians honorary aryans. Kike shill BTFO.

American companies conduct very lucrative operations in China. I doubt the kikes would like to endanger them by open belligerence towards China. NK gives them plausible deniability.
The chinks of course know that, but as long as they're not directly targeted they don't have a platform to stand on to do something about it.

It's like pottery now the tankie lefty/pol/ kike will say how "based" based Stalin was and how he hated jews (even though judeobolsheviks were overwhelmingly jewish). Kill yourself third worldist nigger commiecuck

This is one of those posts that is so stupid that you know you don't have to respond. Any sane person reading it will just laugh at the retard and move on.

Also
hahaha

Stalin did grow to hate Jews and purged the from the party in 1937. Later he formed the "Jewish Autonomous Oblast" at the Chinese border and exiled all the Jews there.
After the was the kikes conspired with the American kikes to start the holocaust hoax, for which Stalin arrested them all, in return the Jewish doctors conspired to kill the party officials by botched treatments and poison.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Anti-Fascist_Committee
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot

It's all common knowledge of history. You are one of these stormfag LARPers, who doesn't know history, NatSoc ideology or philosophy, and probably aren't even white. Am I right?


Unfortunately, you can't deny history. That's what the kikes do.

But you just did that in this very post buddy.

Especially laughed at

You are legitimately retarded.

Lol everytime. At least you have been exposed as a lefty/pol/ kike shill. You are even pushing the Doctor's Plot conspiracy theory. Gas yourself commiecuck sperg. Stop pretending to be anti semitic you subversive kike go back to your containment board

90% of the purged party officials in 1937 were Jews. He didn't purge common kikes, but the party kikes were all gone. Just read the list of people arrested during the purge and look them up, kikes all of them.

LOL its muh six million all over again


You are so full of shit that it's leaking out your shoes.

Oh boy, it is excluded by definition.
Hugo Capet was elected king, and his legitimacy is based on this. France was one of the aristocratic countries. Many regions were disloyal because Nobelmen declared themselves independent.
The title does not matter, after all it is still an electoral monarchy.
The Doge of Venice was an electoral monarch (pic), all the history books agree.

And all the other example? Obviously, there were many electoral monarchies. Those who are studying the Middle Ages know that the king had often now real power.

All of this Hitler, Stalin, Jew, European royalty bullshit is being done to derail the thread

the information provided by the OP is a very valid and thoughtful analysis from the DPRK perspective. Which is not even being discussed by the derail

the thread is being subverted, CIA, national security, military idiots, media…. whatever, whoever, it's not important, what is important is what it has been like for the nKoreans, since 1866 onwards to the Japanese surrender to US forces after WWII and the events which led to the Korean war for independence.

Retard, the millions killed wasn't the purge. "the great purge" refers to the 3 trials where about 30 top party officials were arrested and executed.

You are clearly a Dugin follower, everyone should be informed about him and his subversion.

He's not wrong. He says that the ideas of "nations" are anti-traditional, anti-religious and anti-ethnic, as opposed to traditional empires and kingdoms.
The whole idea of "white nationalism" is completely retarded too and only makes sense in the mongrelized countries like America, where Europeans have forgotten their native heritage and culture and can't identify themselves by anything other than their skin color.

He did not say that, he said we can not attack Muslims and immigrants. He said there should be no hierarchy between people (that is communism). He says that a nigger is just as valuable as a white and that all evil is lies colonialism. He claims to be a traditionalist but is in reality a comunist internationalist who wants to see the whole world in Russian hand (Eurasia).

*all evil is lies in colonialism

BUT MUH BIASED SOURCES! Wait for it…
russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/stalins-purges/

Straight from Russia Today. Go fuck yourself, you mental midget.

I need proof of this.

He has no proof. He is full of shit. The idea that the Doctor's Plot was some "anti-semetic purge" is patently absurd. Stalin was paranoid as hell and imprisoned his personal doctors because he thought they were plotting against him. Most of these doctors happened to be Jewish so it's been twisted into being antisemetic.

His bizarre connection to the holocaust is nonsensical.

>Towards the end and immediately after the war, the JAC became involved in documenting the Holocaust. This ran contrary to the official Soviet policy to present it as atrocities against all Soviet citizens, not acknowledging the specific genocide of the Jews.

>The contacts with American Jewish organizations resulted in the plan to publish the Black Book simultaneously in the US and the Soviet Union, documenting the Holocaust and participation of Jews in the resistance movement. The Black Book was indeed published in New York City in 1946, but no Russian edition appeared. The typeface galleys were broken up in 1948, when the political situation of Soviet Jewry deteriorated.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Anti-Fascist_Committee

More in google. It isn't come obscure knowledge, but it's worded very harmlessly.

Doctor's Plot was the Jewish retaliation for the JAC arrests and the denial of holocaust by Stalin.

ayyy

what?

Yep, that’s everything you are.

how are his mujihadeen friends doin these days?

There was no doctor's plot and Stalin didn't deny the holocaust.


The point I'm making is that it's absurd to argue that all of the millions purged were Jewish. Most were normal Russians, and he is lying to you about that because he is an apologist for Stalin.

The (((soviet union))) actually started the holohoax as attrocity propaganda against Germans you retarded kike

and you know that how?

I think theres a good opportunity in the whole "stalin purged jews" thing.
you could redpill commies on why he did that and then just lead them on to other redpills on (((them))), getting a few new guys on the right side.
theres already some schismgoing on between the authoritian leftists and the liberal ones here in europe as far as i know, might aswell exploit that.

thanx for this. it was very interesting to watch

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i kekd when i imagined that overenthusiastic newsreporter shouting this in english

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He has to, his family needs a father and the food he brings to the table.

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GREAT PHOTO SLIDESHOW ON NORTH KOREA
flickr.com/groups/dprk/pool/

Make up your mind you korean Cartman
First Clintons give you equipment, uranium and hardware to boot. Nork fucks rattle sabers every other Tuesday and never deliver. I guess the war between the two Koreas is fault of US
Yeah technically the war between north and south never stopped and they live in state of never ending armistice.