Criticizing capitalism without being a Holla Forums faggot

Holla Forums, how do you criticize (((capitalism))) to normalfags and make sure you aren't just essentially a tool of cultural marxism? Obviously you can't go full redpill mode, but you can't just leave it off at "yeah haha the constant desire to seek money even at the expense of your own people sure is bad".

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If you don't know how to then you don't understand it, you're just a parrot repeating shallow words. What if someone asks you to elaborate? The last thing the world needs is more opinionated faggots, whether right or wrong if you don't know anything about a subject keep your mouth closed.

Just point out that it's entire premise is to optimize wealth. Everyone knows there are things money cannot quantify that are more important. Logically then capitalism is non-ideal in that it optmizes currency quantifiable wealth at the expense of other things such as family, morals, culture, etc.

Also point out huge amount of research into behavioral economics and how in reality even free markets are massively prone to psychological manipulation.

Go watch Goy Guide to World History on YouTube

Full of redpills but most importantly it shows that what we understand as "capitalism" has been so infused with Jewish usury it's basically just as bad as socialism

The only thing the muslims got right was banning usury, we ought to try it

Well I'm deeply religious so I talk about the flaws of materialist ideologies and argue that materialism is detrimental to a peoples' spiritual health.

It's a vehicle to infiltrate individualistic societies and tear them apart to allow jewish influence. In Europe people band together so they use Communism to seduce people. In America we're more individualistic so they use self-interest to motivate us throw each other under the bus while ignoring the ones driving the bus.

Two sides of the same shekel. A man and his family should be self-reliant but also willing to help members of his own race as well. Easier to help others when you're independent.

capitalism, like democracy, is theoretically sound yet inherently flawed in a lot of ways, but it ultimately could function perfectly fine. The main issue it faces in America is the fact that kikes and niggers are involved, which makes sense because one of it's main flaws, also like democracy, is it's vulnerability to infiltration and subversion.

If you really want good criticism of capitalism look up what Hitler had to say about it.

Big problem with capitalism is that we're headed towards a future of automation. How are enough people going to be able to sustain themselves?

Anyway it should be fairly easy to criticize capitalism without coming off as a supporter of socialism/communism. Their argument against capitalism is that it is exploitative and that those who gain wealth must be doing so at someone else's expense on purpose. Because they're evil.

Avoid their simplistic logic and you're gold.

The first step is actually defining capitalism. Lots of leftists don't do this or don't even have a coherent definition.

Rockwell always talks about capitalism being shit and pushing towards a "productive enterprise" Which I just assume is industry based on expansion with few to no lenders and usury. Never really found a decent or coherent explanation of what he really meant by this though.

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Just explain the downsides of capitalism and that rejecting it doesn't mean you are a Marxist. Show people the third position

Jesus, is imkikey gone? I wasn't expecting actual, formed replies, thanks nigs


I generally have an idea, but I'd like Holla Forums's input. Note that I wasn't playing the "confused faggot" role in the OP. I posed a question to start a discussion.


This one's breddy gud. I usually compare money to a one dimensional object (up and down), and point out that what we merely observe is 3 dimensional. Stuff like "family values" certainly can't be quantified with something so one dimensional, so why do we value money itself? etc

I'm usually not too keen on bringing direct facts or research unless directly asked for such (or can reasonably lead into it). That shit usually comes off as condescending, spergy, and unprovoked ("LOOK AT THIS GRAPH"). Still, a good tactic nonetheless- the "mindless herd" mentality in large groups is a pretty widely accepted phenomena, even amongst normalfags (surprisingly).


Most normalfags don't even know what usury is, so pointing it out is certainly a step forward.


This can get pretty divisive, though- even if they believe in a similar faith (Catholic vs Protestant), it can still be condescending and seem like you're trying to preach to them rather than actually help them out. Still, worth noting for those who ARE deeply religious, but it needs to be worded right.


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I suppose this is the best stepping stone, yeah. Independence as a means to an end, not the end goal itself.


Automation would, ideally, make society easier so that the basic, fundamental needs of humans are met with minimal effort, so we can then focus on true greatness. Instead, we struggle to (((pay))) for basic needs (and then pay more for a version without the added poison)

Yeah, but remember, normalfags have an attention span of a gnat. You're walking a tightrope with shit like this- you've got to simplify it enough, but not dumb it down to "hurr rich people r bad!".


Oh man, I love doing this shit. Leftists panic when you ask them to define anything, it's hilarious. Keeping in mind, I'm not talking about debating with leftists- just talking with general normalfags.


Yeah- I usually emphasize this. Sometimes that in of itself might seem marxist, though.

I fucking hate marx because he basically (re)invented the term "capitalism" to begin with. In true leftist fashion, he had to create and wave his own enemy's flag before creating its opposition. So trying to argue against it is such a clusterfuck due to the term's roots.

Do you have an issue with the principle of a free market or mindless consumerism?

Too many jews in capitalism, that's what.

capitalism without extremely stringent government regulation inevitably leads to nepotism, monopoly, and corruption

Mindless consumerism, mainly.

An entirely free market does eventually lead to psychologically manipulated masses, though, as pointed out in

Are families capitalist institutions? Do Mom and Dad ask for seed capital before hugging their children? Do the kids not eat if they fail to do their chores?

Whites are a family, fam. The richer members are entitled to their wealth, but not while the poorer relations (who aren't lazy nigger-fuckers) are in want.

It's been aid before: Hitler's socialism didn't rob the rich to give endlessly to the poor; he asked all Germans to help out.

Most people don't come close to knowing what capitalism means. I'll bet half of the anons in this thread are foggy on the concept.

jej. If we weren't bound by cuck treaties and leaders, there would be as much was between European nations now as there was historically, fam. We are closer to eachother than to a nigger, but we are still bigly different, and this difference is enough to give rise to violence between populations.
the children require seed capital to be born, tho

there would be as much war between European nations*

That's easy

So what the fuck is the solution? As far as I can figure, capitalism is going to crash before too long. Do we switch to a lite-socialism before that?

I ask this with the stipulation that "national socialism" isn't the answer, as that's still a pretty large leap for contemporary politics.

This is always the case now, you can avoid it for your people by being traditional and rural, but otherwise it's pandora's box.

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no, you cunt, you go innawoods and start hwiteville

I'm talking macro economics you double cunt. If everybody moves into the woods then we'll be worse off. How are we supposed to handle this as a nation? I suggested lite-socialism with disgust.

Let it burn, plant a small seed and grow above the ashes.

Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away, goddammit. Yes the current situation sucks and it's going to continue to suck. If we just drop it all, it's gong to get way worse before it gets better.

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It's very hard to criticize capitalism without being a useful idiot for the commies instead. But know this: capitalism is just an economic system. It does not by itself provide any morality or spirituality and the main problem with out society is spiritual rot, which won't be fixed by switching economic system.

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The upshot of being put in a ditch when we take over is that you won't have to lurk Holla Forums anymore, tranny.

Karl Marx's criticisms of capitalism are pretty on the nose, his proposed solutions and every retard who believes in them are shite

Capitalism makes big profits off of feeding on spiritually bankrupt societies and encourage them to stay that way. Capitalism may not not be the source of the problem itself, but removing it will certainly have a good effect.

It will not. Instead you will have corrupt commissars deciding who gets to prosper and who gets to live in poverty.

Nice false dichotomy there, leftard. It's not called the THIRD position for nothing you know.

dude, barely anyone worked at a "Job" in this country until they imported a bunch of irish to work in the factories in the late 19th century

practically everyone "sustained" themselves before then

A lot of people here misunderstand the machinery of capitalism. Go to the bottom and ignore my stupid rambling to see my criticism of capitalism in its simplicity
I will say this: The free market in an economy is absolutely necessary for sustainability. Nazi Germany, had they won the war, would've had to reduce their socialistic policies big time. It was aa beautifully resurrected, yet tragically unsustainable economy. Debt free labor backed currency + elimination of jewish usury dug their economy out of the grave, and economy isn't all about policy either. Once the economy was rectified, the confidence and morale, call it the spirit of the people, was risen. Confidence in the government cant greatly benefit the economy, and imagine being a german citizen when the shackles of jewish banking were broken free and the economy began to rise….your confidence would be through the roof
Unfortunately, the wonderful policy of getting rid of debt backed currency & jewish banking + the spirit of the people risen to its ceiling, were diluted by over-regulatory policies, price fixing, and many other government interventions into the markets that are typical in socialist governments.
Socialism is an unsustainable economic model no matter what demographics make up the region practicing. I know NatSoc isn't exactly what we know now as socialism (think about Boinie Seandahs) but its policies were unsustainable. Rearmament&war saved the german economy once more, and the fact the currency was labor backed, the war/rearmament created an artificially high demand for labor, so that was icing on the cake…but it wouldn't have been sustainable. You can find records of businessmen complaining about how governmental overregulation was drowning their potential for innovation and success.
Markets must be freed with Obvious boundaries on degeneracy, fraud, etc. But the governmetn cannot have their fingers in everything, the government cannot be involved in absorbent taxation. A nanny state is good for no nation.

The problem with capitalism is: though theoretically sound, it is prone to subversion.
Riddled with weakness like swiss cheese that the jewish rats just love to sink their little teeth into. Any government that is, for too long, authoritarian and significantly large, is too prone to this same subversion.
Culture is the most important thing in the world. I'm not an expert and I'm sure many will call me a jew, or a retard, I'm just putting in my two cents here, but what I believe is that mankind is so far fucked right now that the last door to salvation that we have left is through a fascist dictatorship of a truely intelligent hyper-nationalist that isn't corruptible. He needs to have the absolute best interest for his people and needs not to be afraid to call the jews what they are. This is something down the road but will happen sooner than we all anticipate i believe. They need to pull us from the mess we are in, shut down immigration, expel the jews first and then the non-whites from the country, create our own money supply not handled by a privately owned central bank, make the currency debt-free, perhaps backed by units of labor/productivity, and the practice of usury must be considered as high treason to the nation. Once economic recovery, demographic destiny, family values, love for ones own countrymen, etc, are restored, then it will be the governments responsibility, concerned not for their own power but out of loyalty and love to their people, to begin disestablishing themselves and returning a large sum of powers and responsibilities to the people of the nation. Degeneracy & crimes of outright greed like fraud must be regarded in the law as heinous. The markets must be completely barred from nonsense like this. Otherwise, they are going to need to be freed up. Capitalism as a political system is the enemy, but not voluntary exchange.

Who said we would need commissars?

You're seriously asking for rhetorical talking points to attack something just so you can fit into *the group*?


Capitalism will crash? What? Genuine capitalism simply doesn't exist. Every nation regulates their private organisations and just about everybody agrees with regulation. The point of contention is 'how much regulation is best?'.

We are already in socialism. Socialism has been increasing every year in every country, even the US. The problem is that these societies are losing any kind of similarity that binds them together. Socialism cannot exist in a society where people hate each other. People simply do not want to pay a significant amount of their earnings to people they hate, to a government too big and bumbling to function efficiently and for things they don't agree with.

That's what you WILL get if you don't fix the spiritual rot first.

repeating it doesn't make it so

Oh yes, the corrupt bureaucracy is merely enforcing the will of the people and redistributing the wealth of those who don't deserve to have it.

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The truth is capitalism and communism are merely 2 sides of the same shekels, materialism. Both societies reject any and all spiritual values and instead chase after material wealth and a creation of a society that values nothing BUT material wealth. Morals are subjective or obsolete entirely, anything goes as long as wealth or satisfaction of base material needs is achieved. They claim to be opposites and yet they both worship the same god, the same concepts.

Capitalism works in a society where there's no resentment. That means homogeneous societies.

Otherwise you see the manifestation of Jewish, black, blah blah blah resentment right now and they'll reject 'Capitalism' because they don't think it's fair that, in a white country, their best of the genetic rung isn't doing as good as the best white… in a white country.

You missed the point completely. The point was that arguing capitalism vs socialism is pointless because it's not black and white. Except in pure anarchy, the government has control over private organisations and markets and has socialized institutions.

And you talk about spiritual values? Fuck off hippie fag. Go worship your Jew god

Communism places money as the ultimate evil and decrees that it is a human moral obligation to sacrifice everything to battle it.
the communist must sacrifice all family bonds, connection to ethnic identity and all material possessions in order to 'stand against' the ultimate evil that are the 'bourgeoisie'
Communists make these sacrifices in obvious and grandiose fashion by outright murder famine and torture of their own friends family and neighbors like a bunch of uberviolent SJWfags, the narrative of why they should keep doing so changing daily with no notice or care from the brainwashed people.

Capitalism places money as the root of all good, "as long as I can get enough dough, my family will be ok and I'll have done good."
Many capitalists and lolbergs will sacrifice all their time to earn money to fund their familys lives while at the same time robbing their family of any reason TO live in the first place, the children have no father to teach and guide them and must assume it is due to the father PREFERRING to earn money over spending time with them, making them lose all sense of self-worth.

Capitalism is much more subtle, but will rot and collapse an entire people just as surely as the sledgehammer of communism does.

Communism attacks the material and PHYSICALLY prevents people from living.
Capitalism robs people of the WILL to live whilst drowning them with numbing agents.

Communism is the bullet to the brain.
Capitalism is the helium gas canister.
as both obviously lead to death, the third position is the path of survival INSTEAD of needless sacrifice towards economics in either way, instead re-purposing economics as a tertiary function instead of a primary way of life.

thus nazi germany used an international barter system to trade mass amounts of goods and products back and forth with foreign countrys to decent success whilst using the marks as an internal measure of individual labor, allowing for even the average german pleb to save up just a few from each paycheck in order to build up an investment in a brand new Volkswagen.

Ultimately though, the point of money being tertiary is that you would RATHER spend hours of your time either with your loving wife on the porch or teaching your son how to understand himself as a human being as well as various skills like reading writing and eventually trade skills such as woodworking.

I just re-read your low-effort op and this is probably worthless for normalfags but fuckit i'll post anyways

Wrong, socialism isn't sustainable in any situation since it is basically state sponsored bribery of the population. Any society that creates an extensive welfare system of free handouts gets flooded with freeloaders and eventually simply collapses on itself, unable to support their weight.

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The basis of marxist theory is materialism, the lack of God. Any fedora is basically a commie in the making. The only difference between you and a leftard is that you attached darwinism to it.

Wrong. It is social inequality that is the ultimate evil according to marxism. In the end marxists are like a modern day parodies Procrustes.

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Is that the definition of capitalism? Wasn't 1950s America a capitalist country? Perhaps you should have asked: How do you criticize greed and globalism without implying the government needs to take control of the economy? Perhaps you also need to first understand the problems that you attribute to your definition of capitalism and if that's really the fault of capitalism or something else.