MESSAGE TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS

All commies will hang.

My bad, friend.

Impressive. Very nice.

So how do you feel that you're getting cucked by your own BO?

You're not looking that bad yourself.

Marxism is about having no rulers though - it's about you yourself taking direct action in your work place and state.

Ehh I can kind of see where she's coming from. The admins clearly don't want us here, and usually that's not a problem but, they're admins, and we're at their mercy.

At the same time though, it wouldn't be the same separated off from the world on our own little site.

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Hes a Bernie cuck. Its like everyone forgets about how their kike was prevented by a rigged primary system, by another kike. Surely THEY have the answer to all our problems, and its to stop caring about race and let white people disappear.

Reminder these people need to be gotten rid of.

We can start with the one in the White House.

If you had watched the video you'd know I think Bernie would have fallen to the same trap Trump has - we cannot rely on reform to fix our problems.

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COMMIES REEEEEEEEEE
could you post a greentext of specific arguments you would like me to counter?

We dont care what you have to say, were just a bit short on rope and strong backs, for now.

Do all communists think that men are women?

Capitalism has brought about the greatest living standard in history, despite its flaws and international corporate interests manipulating an overreaching government in a wealthy nation(Holla Forums somehow thinks this is capitalism despite being the opposite). Every attempt at Communism has failed, and only got better when freedom was introduced in the markets within the dying nation (see USSR and Cuba).
Faggots like you still come to this board to shit things up despite the fact you've been eternally btfo on to your own board because you cannot into logic and reason. We've long since completely disproved the entirety of communist ideology, and have moved on to the discussion of other ideas and models of government/economic policy. Spend some time learning real economic theory and LURK THE FUCK MORE.

Marxists do not deny this, in fact we are the ones saying that in our own literature.

But that's wrong: youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

Why is equality inherently good?

die commie faggot

This is the exact explanation of Libertarianism. Jesus, you faggots really are stuck in 2012, but you have the terminology all wrong.

Capitalism is not the enemy, jews and internationalists are.

That's the end goal - we intend to phase the male gender out with hormone therapy. This is how we can truly end oppression.

I bet at least one of you think I'm serious right now

It's not, Marxists are for equal opportunity. I posted a webm to my twitter today quoating Marx talking about this actually: twitter.com/xexizy11/status/850755413956059137

Libertarianism supports Capitalism, so it supports the employer-employee relationship. How is this freedom, when you are being told what to do in your work place? Socialists want the workers themselves to run things.

Also, Socialism is actually more individualistic than Capitalism, Oscar Wilde wrote a brilliant essay on it: marxists.org/reference/archive/wilde-oscar/soul-man/

You're playing identity politics. You're assuming that all jews have the same interests, even ones in different classes, when in reality it are the Capitalists who all share common interests, as they are all part of the same class. George Soros and a working Jew do not have anything in common, but a Capitalist does.

You can only rustle burger-jimmies with this shit. Us, european national socialists, don't care who got elected in clapistan. The US will always be glass-target No. 1 russia next, china last, india and pakistan in between.

also
Hitler

no. Only one time, during Hitlers rule. Because it was the only 'socialism' which didn't let starve his own people so the polit buereau could drive around in expensive cars and make funny economic 10-year plans how to distribute fucking strawberries.

Other than that, this guy is right in one single point: without changing the context, it doesn't matter what you insert in, it will eventually be corrupted.

Openly admitting you're from Holla Forums is at least more honest than all the attempted demorilization shit you guys have been flailing around with. So be honest with us again, what do you do for a living? I want to know what communists do to support themselves.

Oil and water do not mix. Eat shit, commie.

t. grew up in the Soviet Union

Really faggot?

I need a translator for this. Can someone help?

I'm a student studying Physics. Does it matter though? If I told you I have been working in a coal mine my whole life would that make my argument any more legitimate?

Trump did it all for the children, remember that.
DA KIDZ.
It was a gigantic ruse and 4D ultra-chess for da kidz, yo. Dindu nuffin.
ASSAD DON'T BOMB INNOCENT LITTLE BABIES
Send a gigantic war-ship, bomb the fuck out of pavement, and teach 'em not to fuck with kidz, yo.
Not cool, not cool, assad; don't fuck with innocent little babies; we'll bomb the shit outta y'; don't fuck with 'em kidz, yo.
Got that?
Trump liked Kidz. He is the family-man, of the century; if you don't like children, I don't know what to say. What about that?
As a Trump supporter, though, I am still on the Trump Train. If the God Emperor did it for the children, so will I. If the God Emperor likes kidz, so do I. We need to take care of the children. We need to ==THINK== of the children.
If you ask me, that was incredibly based. Fam, he slammed ==56 tomhawks== into the pavement of some airbase, announced it was a ruse, and did it in front of chyna. Anyone of you who thought he was a pacifist was wrong: Trump is my peace through strength president.

Also, why would it be different? The majority of your base is from reddit anyways. Why not go back there?

Yes because commies just want to trick people who work for a living to share the fruits of their labor with them for no real compensation.

Low energy edit of the one man klans work. 100 hours in paint and it makes sense again.

They're really not, reddit hate us with a passion.

Socialism is above workers owning the fruits of their own labour, not sharing it.

LEFTYPOL RUSED

Y'all thought LENIN liked kidz?
Not as much as the God Emperor.

I'd do it for the kidz too.

Why is equal opportunity inherently good?
If two beings are not equal, what good does giving them equal opportunity do for either of them?

What four possible states can one hypothetical unit of an atom inside isolated black matter achieve when using quantum-superposition to stimulate it?

First semester. I'm from Norway studied Physics 5 years ago, but you should be able to answer it. go!

Reddit hates you because they found out your drawfag was engaged in drawing "homophobic, sexist, etc" shit (cats). Just don't announce your from leftypol and you'll be fine.

Utopia doesn't exist and never will. That's why it's called Utopia.

You'll never have free shit. Ever.

Now get a job.

I can't tell if you're from The_Donald or just pretending to be retarded.

Communism is an intellectual's wet dream - but for themselves, not for the common person. In their ideal society they are the ones near the top (but not the absolute ruling class, as to try to avoid as much direct blame as possible for shit living conditions of the people), after all they're the "intellectuals," and they get to dictate through "educated decisions" to the peasant class what they will get, how much of it they will get, when they will get it, because they "know best," and they will all fall in line and obey their "learned superiors who will dictate the course of society for the betterment of that society." "Betterment" of course ends up meaning "better for the intellectual class" who sit just below the top running their mouths and issuing commands (which the "top" class, the political body, really just a fall guy though, puts into action) to the lower classes and sucking up the most resources while everyone else lives in poverty.
Thats their ideal society. Where anyone who disagrees with them or questions them is, by-proxy, guilty of questioning the ruling class, and is stripped of all rights (I'd say "property" too, but to them the ideal is that only they own property of any kind, the peasant class only gets an allotment from the state which can be taken away at any time for any reason) and left to die in the street if they arent outright taken to the gulags and murdered. Because they view the common man as being no better than a talking ape, who should not be allowed (for their "own good" mind you) to make decisions or have any sort of power to influence society as the intellectuals believe the common man will ultimately destroy society with poor decisions (be aware of course that to them "destroy society" means eliminate the so-called intellectual class and elevate the living standards of the peasant class, taking for themselves the ability to learn and govern and lead their lives as they wish, rather than having the intellectuals dictate to them how it is to be run, because the intellectual class believes this will only lead back to capitialism which will drain the earth of resources faster as "to many people" begin using the same kinds of resource amounts the intellectuals deem fit only for their small group to be allowed to use)
To them, unending breadlines, massive poverty, and a bankrupt nation mean nothing as long as the top classes continue to live in luxury without needing to lift a finger. Their only concern is if the poverty becomes TOO crushing and the peasants revolt in such numbers that they cannot be stopped. Thats the only "problem" they think a communist society can or does have. So in short, no, crushing poverty, dead kids, and starvation? Not problems in and of themselves, its only when they become to wide spread and the peasants revolt, but even then the causes arent actually the problem, only the effect is the problem to them. Which is where state monopolies on violence (weapons, armor, etc) come into play as well, if they can put down revolts swiftly with extreme violence if needed, then the thing they view as the problem goes away, and the peasants can go back to working for pennies while the profits go to the lazy useless intellectuals, who cares if they starve or die in the street as long as the luxury for the top remains intact?
THAT is why communists dont give a rat's ass about how many times communism has failed, or how it continues to fail today. Because its not ABOUT the working classes, thats not what communism is built for. Its built for the top classes to benefit, with no regard to the suffering it causes the rest of the population.

tl;dr take your olive branch and shove it up your ass

You said you were a student, are all your debts paid off?

In the end, Trump is the strongman you never had.
Trump liked kids.
Get over it.

Well if they are not equal, starting them from the same point of the track will make them end up where they deserve to be. Under Capitalism, you don't need natural ability, just money.

Well obviously not I'm still a student, I need a job before I can start paying them off. What's your point though? How does that relate to what Socialism it?

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Would you cunts at least post more Lenin? He's the only commie that at seems kinda cool.

I can't think of a more relevant time to post this.
inb4 USSR is not real communism

Lenin is the most uncool communist out there. He's a crypto-kike idiot, who overthrew a perfectly functional government. Practically the same as letting a drunken radical into government!

Lenin was a jewish agent. The only cool commie was Stalin, specifically because he was anti-kike and killed that kike Trotsky.

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Lenin is super fucking cool.

You should try reading him too.

Would you like me to tell you how that ends up in the end because I personally have had to clean that fucking mess up once.

Because as an operations manager, I've trained to direct employees for maximum efficiency. My experience and training makes my labor more valuable in the market, thus warranting greater pay (I'll just assume you understand market dynamics well enough to know I don't mean I DESERVE greater pay, just that I warrant it). Both the employees and I get paid a flat rate regardless of how well/poor the branch does. The branch director has much greater experience and knowledge than I or the employees do, therefore instead of going about day to day activities like the workers, he spends his time directing resources, managing a great many things that are imperative to the operation of our business. If we did this as a collaborative process with the base level employees and I included in the decision making, it would be potentially disastrous as we lack the experience and knowledge to make those more complex decisions. This creates an efficient machine. The branch director takes a portion of the profits as it is his decisions that result in the continued success of the business. The business owner also takes a share of the profits as he was the one who put in the hard work to get the business started, he invested (and continues to invest) his capital to expand and develop the business further (and working with the now multiple branch directors to ensure each branch is operating at a reasonable level), thus allowing the opportunity for myself and the employees who work under me to advance and become more integral in the business itself.

You somehow see this as a slave/owner situation, probably because you don't have the experience or knowledge in various levels of business management that I, and virtually every other supporter of capitalism does. I see an efficient machine, that utilizes knowledge and experience, and rewards them as such.

The business owner used to make less than he paid his employees, but he works hard and now he owns four locations, and recently bought his dream car.

It all boils down to the fact that commies believe everything ultimately results from, and thus can be controlled by, coercion. Even reality itself. All the fancy bullshit they constantly spout are just convoluted excuses for what is ultimately a childish, primitive belief that blood sacrifice can make anything right, you just need to find the right blood to shed. Commies are just cavemen with a large vocabulary and a propensity for semantic pendantry.

You almost got gifted trips, but then Kek realized you were an idiot.

The lesser will fail, and be infinitely more miserable for his failure. The greater will succeed despite the forced leveling of the playing field, and be held back from what he could achieve were he allowed to exercise his full ability from the start.

We must recognize the inherent ineqality of all people and adjust society for it. Hierarchy is the natural state of human - and animal - relations for a very good reason: it is the most efficient.

I used to be a communist too. The propaganda is top tier. But it's hollow the more you dwell on the ideology behind it.

I'll tell you now what ever bullshit you're gonna throw I'm gonna just point to the numerous examples of successful worker ownership followed by this: thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/

So your admitting you're in debt and don't have a job? Do you like communism because you think college would be free?

If that were it then I'd just be another Berniecuck instead of actual Socialist.

Communism is Jewish. It's not a life philosophy and it's entirely jewish. Marx was a jew. Marx is DEAD.
The matter is that there is no Faustian spirit in a Jewish ideology like Marxism. It's just paper-jibberish that isn't pragmatic at all.
Only a kike cares about economics this much.

I feel like you're misunderstanding the core arguments here. I could explain it but it's easier to just link this video honestly: youtube.com/watch?v=q4tIhHHvzNA

=STALIN YES, MEANT STALIN==
=FUCK LENIN==
I'm just being retarded and not rereading what I wrote before I posted

you guys would really like the anarchist views.

It's strange that people that don't believe in big govt still suck the corporate pig's dick hard.
Both govt and corporations spread propaganda, and lately, it has been very democrat leaning. Both in news, entertainment and advertising.
Both dictate laws, one is the lawmaker and the other through lobbying.
Both extract value from you. One through taxes, the other through labor. In both cases, the profits go the elite.

In an anarchist world, the media would be community run, so shills supporting zionist bullshit (like the owners and politicians of the united states of gravy), would have a much harder time indoctrinating idiots.

Also, anarchists fight for real democracy, not representation by some elite shill, so if the people don't want muslim refugees, the government doesn't and can't thrust it down their throat (rip Germany).

Forget about all the "private property" thing, it's not that important. Read up on anarchism and how it empowers a country to assert itself truly, without corporate pig indoctrination and UN dick sucking.

If you can't explain your own arguments in your own words why should we listen to you?

God fucking damn the irony.

What's the point?
All his arguments are based on a false premise.
That marxism is something other than a jewish system for enslaving goyim.
He thinks marxism/ socialism is a system designed to improve the lot of ordinary people, how naive.
He has been dicked far harder and deeper than any Trump supporter, and he doesn't even realise it, the precious little "intellectual" that he is.

Nazi Germany was greatest Socialist country that ever existed. Worker's rights enforced by military police, a leader who genuinely loved the workers because he rose from poverty, not some upper class Jewish family, distribution of wealth, technological advancement, freedom from the yoke of international capitalist financiers and of course a healthy well fed populace. I defy any Communist to find a better country to live in than Nazi Germany.

The fun part about it is that the ideals work fine as well the country is racially homogeneous as well. Look at Sankara's Socialist Revolution in Burkina Faso, if he had his own protective military police like Hitler the capitalists in his country likely wouldn't have been able to get to him.

Oh, boy.
(((Anarchism))), good idea, chaim.

I don't think you understand dude - it's Capitalism that prevents those with actual ability be held back, or passed by people who are not as good but come out of the right vagina. We want people to be based purely on merit, not on wealth.

As for the propaganda, yea it's graet, but you'll find yourself a liberal or worse yet alt-right if you don't actually read any books, which I doubt you did.

I think you should go ahead and try to explain it in your own words. Why is the business owner described in the same as some kike running a multinational?

This guy summed up what I was going to blast you with and you've copped out with a bland bong talking.

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Well they already are my own words I made the video.

Name one book and tell me its contents. :^)

What, there's a difference? You are all incompetent and degenerate lowlifes trying to compensate your deficiency by pulling everyone else down to your level. No matter in how many fancy words you wrap your sorry excuse for an ideology in, its essence remains the same: "GIBSMEDATFREESHITMUHFUGGUH".
You are mental niggers.

Yeah… that was an error, I meant to say Stalin, Stalin is the only commie that seems kinda cool. Lenin disgusts me almost as much as Marx himself.

Time to sleep, I guess.

Critique of the Gotha Program, a book where Marx is attacking a manifesto of the German Socialist party at the time for their misunderstanding of what Socialism actually is, and where Marx outlined how a Socialist society would function and develop into resource abundant Communism. The second half of this video is pretty much half the book: youtube.com/watch?v=q4tIhHHvzNA

Well, Bernie is a reformist who just wants nicer Capitalism, Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production and violent smashing of the Capitalist state.

Reiterate the argument here. I'm not going to give you clicks. Also, why the fuck should we listen to a student for anything not involving their field of study?

I linked the video to save me having to type out what you could just watch with the addition of visual aids. I mean would you rather I copy paste the script?

I don't need to hear anything a smelly, unwashed, violent coward, faggot junkie degenerate has to say about anything to know it is utter hogwash.

Do you think worker ownership works out in cases of mass production?

We can have alliance if you want to make holocaust real

TIME TO STEAL MACHINERY
Just go listen to (((Bernie Sanders))) – who is a closet communist – and (((Karl Marx))). (((Richard D. Wolff))) too.
You can listen to (((Noam Chomsky))) too, I don't care.

As a worker why should I support Socialist Revolutions when 99% of the time they're bankrolled by Capitalist Financiers? Why should I, a white worker, support you over the men on this board who want National Socialism?

Yes, history has shown that it does: youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

Sorry I'm linking so many videos but, it should give you an indication of how many times I've seen these arguments that I made videos about them.

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Yeah, Holla Forums, you proved with Bernie that you are all leaders who can beat the system. We will join you ASAP! You are proven leaders with a history of success! The 2016 election really shows that.

I am sure that if we work together on the internet we can make all the things we believe in theory on the internet real. I mean, i read on reddit that communism works and the workers will take over and everything will be perfect, just like all those other times in history.

If only we had a non-establishment candidate in office right now!

Workers already own the means of production. Without workers, there would be no production. If a worker does not like how much he is being paid, he can go find another enterprise. If a worker is being abused, he can complain to the police and the abuser will be arrested. That's how it works in the civilized world.
Who'll be doing that violent smashing? You? We both know you've never lifted anything heavier than a dick, so don't hurt your tender knuckles, princess.

We don't support Bernie or any other reformist. We are for revolution.

Do you idiots ever make sense? Even Holla Forums's worst posters are less retarded than you lot. Also, shouldn't you be taking care of your mentally unstable tranny BO before xhe commits suicide?

I'm not giving your faggy video clicks. Explain to me, because you're in my house on my turf, why I should support you over Hitler. I have a job, I have a family, and I want a system that protects workers and provides for me and my family. National Socialism worked really well, Socialism only starved my Ukrainian ancestors to death. Explain why your brand will work when my system has already been tested and is successful.

anarchism doesn't mean "no government". it's just a people controlled government. not a jew controlled government you so much like.

also, not a jew myself, but I very probably have more money than you. Thank you for fighting to keep my taxes low, you cuck. I'll be sure to use that money to fund anarchist orgs

You would've had better results if you made this thread on the day it happened.

This is bad, I mean holy shit Holla Forums pull the nigger cock out of your mouth and get your fucking memes together.

I never said that. I just said (((anarchism))). You interpreted it wrongly, though.

No, I'd rather you argue your points in text rather than referring to a video you may or may not have made. It makes it easier for us to critique them.

And once again, why should we listen to a kid who has never had to manage anything or have the well being of an organization resting on his shoulders on how to organize society?
Most written by people similar to you (as in never having had any major responsibility).

isn't that just because bernie lost tho?

Friendly fire dumbass, I'm arguing that National Socialism is superior to being a Socialist who cucks for Jewish Financiers.

Whatever you say pal.

Also, why are you a class-baiting retard, presuming you're an anarchist?
Are you (((anarcho-capitalist)))?

Anarchism doesn't require violence you stupid idiot. Anarcho kiddies have their own motivations which I don't give a fuck about. Seriously read a book about democratic pluralism. It helps the rich get richer and the poor get richer as well. Fucking fact.

Workers ARE means of production. We live in communism - we are owned by state.

How on earth do workers own the means of production? The property owners own the property, they decide how it's run, what the workers do, what they make how they make it how long they have to make things for. The workers decide nothing, and it is the same regardless of what employer they go to.

You keep referring to how Socialism failed and I'm giving you a video with many examples of it working, but whatever.

As for why you should support Socialism when you have a job, well, you should support it if you want to be able to have direct input on how your own work place is run along side your fellow workers, as opposed to one person telling you how to work. Also so you as a worker can have a state that works in your interest as opposed to the property owners. It'ss about having more control over your life.

Yea but I'm busy with Physics and shit.

You don't have to listen to me, or you could just judge my arguments by their content as opposed to the person saying them. Anyway, fine:

Now instead of there being an employer, the factory is run and maintained by the workers themselves. How exactly they want to work is determined by themselves through democracy. As a worker and contributor of labour, you get a say in this as well. Every week or so, the worker base of the factory assembles to discuss concerns, ideas and establish how the factory functions. These decisions must be respected by all of the workers, though it would be the workers themselves who collectively made them.

After a day of working, you receive an amount of labour vouchers depending on how much labour you contributed that day. This depends not only on the length of time but also the intensity of the labour. As different workers have different mental and physical abilities, different workers receive a different amount of labour vouchers. No one who did not contribute labour receives any share from the proceeds of the factory's labour. From the total proceed of labour, deductions are made, instead of going all completely to labour vouchers for the workers themselves. This is to cover the cost of two areas, that being within the factory its self and then costs for the outside of society as well. For within the means of production, deductions are made for the replacement of used of materials or tools during the production, as well as saving for possible expansion of means of production in the future and for the costs of administrating the means of production, and for society, deductions are made for providing welfare and a basic income to all those in society, including yourself. These deductions would most likely be made by a democratically controlled form of state apparatus. The rest of the proceeds of labour are exchanged for labour vouchers and are allocated to where they provide the most use in society. You and your other workers then receive the labour vouchers based on the individual labour you contributed. You can then use to exchange for any luxury not provided by basic income you wish.

And that's socialism. It's as simple as that.

Well we've been saying that for over 150 years so…probably not no.

Gib tl;dr or fuck off.

No, he's the anarcho-nihilist fag at Holla Forums.

Well you are doing a shit job.

Well you are doing a shit job.>>9671176

AIN'T NUTHIN BUT LOW T LEFTIES

I'm not an anarcho capitalist. I do have a lot of money but not as much as the owners of the world. I still live in this shithole with poor people on the streets, crime, super high taxes that don't amount to shit. I'm all for equality and pluralism, it really does help the rich and the poor. Read history. Every time a society has become more pluralist, it has an economic boom followed by stagnation because of big govt with no real democracy and huge corporations. Literally every fucking time. It's happening to this shithole country USA.

You are articulate, although somewhat indefinite with that language.
Where has socialism, provided you have a good answer – worked best?

If you can beat me in just one form of physical activity or exercise then I will listen to you. Otherwise gtfo.

But I do have that under National Socialism. I also don't have any trannies or gays running around molesting my children. I have cultural centers unpolluted by subversive elements and I have a government that jails my boss if he abuses me or any of my workers. I say again, why, as a white man, would I ever support a system incentives anything but a shared effort to uplift my people? Why should I go your route when your route is financed by jewish international capitalists like George Soros?

OK I watched it.

The ideology itself remains, that's the thing that I haven't lost. If it had I would be supporting him like some reddit mouthbreathers that still hang around. I don't have a political party, but that's something else.

Yes, there has been leniency on this and it has been tolerated for too long. Partially it's that during the campaign there was a lot of 4D chess, partially it's delusion.

Not exactly. We knew he was surrounding himself with neocons because he ran with the GOP, he didn't exactly have a team. We expected him to use the people around him and not the other way around. Naive? Maybe.

This is a really complicated topic that can have a whole thread. A teacher and a plumber may make a similar amount of money but the teacher may get invited to parties that the plumber doesn't becaus he's from a different class. Trump managed to talk to people from classes below him that sounded appealing, independently of it being insincere manipulation. Cruz, Hillary and Bernie were worse at this. Race conciousness is also part of class divisions, only he dared to clearly appeal to whites. Other politicians clearly appealed to other racial groups or directly saying that the replacing whites is inevitable and good.

Agreed, I've never had much trust in democracy and I don't have the attachment to capitalism that you seem to imply I do. I think there's too much focus on economic interests on this part of the video, there's a need to aspire to more.

Sure, it was called national socialism. It's joke, but then you say fascism is actually capitalism which loses me.

I've done a lot of that, I'm currently reading Siege by James Mason that is very relevant to the topic at hand. But I think there are a lot of assumptions here, I would ask you to read what Evola has to say about the bourgeois. If you have any particular recommendation I'm open.

I don't know mang, we knew he was saying different things to different groups like every politician ever, hoping he was lying to (((them))) because (((them))) were clearly working against him but then it turns out the important agenda was the NeverTrump agenda. He was supposed to be a step in the ladder not a hole on the ground.

Thanks for coming and murder some bankers for me.

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http ://fortune.com/2016/12/12/michigan-marxist-vegan-restaurant-closes/
It doesn't work. They voted themselves to death. Now imagine a machining shop trying to operate under those pretenses, it doesn't fucking work.

I still feel unclean, don't have any good Stalin to post tho.

I'm afraid your challenge is going to be self-defeating because OP can assuredly outperform you in the physical activity of sucking cock.

90 IQ retards like you should not be running anything.

Personally I would say the Paris Commune, or the German Communes. Catalonia was also pretty good. You can learn about them all here: youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

Wanking.

No you don't, your 'strong leader' has control. You live in a state with a police force in the interest of private property, not people's well being, like under Capitalism but worse if anything.

As for the culture, quality culture will always form out of quality economic conditions, which Socialism promises while Capitalism cannot due to it's inherent flaws and economic crashes. Thus you have nothing to fear on the front of culture while economic conditions are maintained, which are the true driving force of society.

Wew.

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Fallacy of argument by having a bigger dick.

Ayn Rand had a 6 inch cunt. Bigger than most, very academic.

Communists are not welcome. Fuck off and die.

I'd like you to show me a successful enterprise where important decisions are not passed down a hierarchy but require consensus of everyone, starting with the top-ranked specialist and ending with a janitor.

Protip: such a think does not exist.

You still haven't answered , so I am going to assume you are a lying faggot like the rest of your ilk.

cheggem

He's too intelligent to use reason, user. :^)

Pretty much everything you said was fine apart from:

For a start, see pic related.

Secondly, see the other pic related. Notice how Fascism has private ownership of the means of production. It's Capitalism.

But democracy is retarded tho

It's better than a dictatorship that would inherently become corrupt.

The system you're describing with regards to labor vouchers is essentially how it worked under national socialism; currency was based on production value rather than fiat or being pegged to gold. The biggest difference, however, is that under a national socialist system I don't have to deal with subversives and degenerates destroying my nation's culture and polluting the minds of my people, whereas your system does nothing to address these issues. Also under a national socialist system, private property still exists and so I am able to start my own enterprise. It offers the best of both worlds really, whereas your system gets rid of some of the bads of capitalism but also gets rid of some of the goods.

So does feudalism. Private ownership of means of production is necessary but not sufficient for a definition of capitalism.

Cmon, let's get real. We launched some fireworks at an airbase.

No it isn't.

National Socialism absolutely is socialism, and not only that, it is the only kind of Socialism that works, has ever worked or will ever work.
And? National Socialism is not Fascism. Confused little Commie cuck, educate yourself. They are two different ideologies and systems.

The guys who staged an uprising during a devastating war and took over the capital, paralyzing the country and essentially stabbing their own people in the back? Some shining exemplars you have there, worthy of following.

Labour vouchers are non-accumulate are so are incompatible with markets. Nazi Germany had markets. See

I stayed with anarchists for a few days once, every room in their squat had human faeces in it, and clear blood spatter on the walls from rampant heroin abuse. Yeah, nah fuck you and all your retardation.

Feudalism did yes, but it did not have capital (capital, not just money) or markets. Obviously there's more to that one line definition but for the sake of explaining the basic concepts…

That info graphic was dealing specifically with Nazi Germany, which was National Socialism, which was Capitalism.

I feel like you're ignoring the argument because you're a faggot who has no real experience in the workplace.
I worked at this branch when I got out of high school, and I did well. Later, when my old ops manager became a branch director, I was promoted by his recommendation. Now I have money to take classes recommended by the owner to increase my knowledge (such as economics 1010, and microeconomics) at my local university. I'm now paying for just a few classes, with my reasonable wage. This allows me to show my bosses that I have the experience and have the knowledge to maybe move up to branch director in the near future (business is best in Summer/Fall, new locations expected to open around then next year). My dad divorced my mom and has nothing to do with my siblings and I, my mom died four years ago with no wealth to pass on to her children. I worked my way out of poverty, and will eventually be well off enough to buy my own house to raise a family to which I can provide. This was done by just working a job for longer than a few years, and proving myself as a better-than-average worker by working hard. Your pretend "employer stole your money" argument is bullshit too, the businessman is a self-made man in much the same way (Cuban immigrant, ironically). Your video misrepresents the value of risk and investment, and your video misrepresents the hard work of businessmen to get a business that employs unskilled workers such as myself when I started, to make a shit point that does not reflect the real world. If you're in school, I highly highly suggest economics classes, especially the more advanced ones to really learn how much of a fucking idiot the creator of the video is.

It had both, tard

Nothing in that post contradicts what I've said.

You said they had labour vouchers though, which made no sense, as they had markets.

Wonderful image that has typeface seemingly tailor made to imprint real nice right on your fucking corneas for some reason.

If that's the case why was the Gestapo's first job to enforce Hitler's new worker's rights laws by force? Why were agriculture and technological profits put into trusts managed by the state and distributed to do things like buying apartment blocks to lower the rent, setting up youth hostels and investing in new technologies? The NSDAP was literally the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Hitler venerated the laborer and the farmer at every turn and recognized they were the beating heart of his country. Workers were not just treated better, but when they left work they were unmolested by globalist capitalism as well. You're still allowed to amass capital, you just can't abuse your workers with it. I see no reason a man who works hard and contributes more to society than 99% of others shouldn't be able to keep the wealth he builds for himself so long as the men who helped him build it are treated properly by this prosperity as well.

So, with all that in mind, why shouldn't I throw my hat in with Uncle Adolf when I know his views venerate and uplift the workers? You are unable to articulate what it is I'm losing out on by supporting the Nazi view of labor and collectivized effort over yours.

And what's inherently wrong with free markets so long as worker's rights are aggressively enforced? You get the technological advancement of private incentivization with none of the worker abuse of a profit-mad capitalist due to labor enforcement. If the penalty for abusing your workers is the State confiscates your factory you can't really do anything but venerate the worker.

Labor vouchers were a fallback measure, used as insurance against starvation and destitution. They were parallel to currency and non-exchangeable, preventing people from hoarding resources that were scarce in wartime.
Seriously, get fucking educated about such common knowledge.

Just the idea of retard "workers" deciding anything is hilarious. In any work environment, especially a factory like this dude is describing, 90% of the people there are too dumb to know anything. Then deciding things democratically from this pool of idiots obviously would not turn out well. Division of labor exists for a reason. Not everyone is fit to make administrative decisions. This is why in every successful "socialist" example, it ends up being run by a small collection of bureaucrats and intelligentsia anyway, because that's the only possible way anything can work.

Quite a bit. The falling rate of profit, the promotion of exchange value over use value (cure for cancer is useful, not profitable), their instability, the fact that they fall apart if too many things are produced and lastly the fact that they cannot work with full automation of society as then there would be no one with wages to buy commodities, so markets are keeping us working long hard days when we could be focusing on culture or science.

Falls to the same problem democracy typically falls to (cliques and insider corruption). When your little experiment starts, everyone will be in equal standing. They all agree to do whatever work the group decides, so long as they don't feel left out or "othered", which will happen as the less competent people become hated by the majority, since they make everyone work harder to clean up after their mistakes.

As the days and weeks go by, several clear dominant personality types will develop and compete for power and attention of the masses. These men are either naturally likeable/friendly or have some other amiable qualities about them. These arise for two reasons:

1) Nobody wants to do shit work.
2) Some people naturally like attention and the power attention gives them. This problem becomes very prolific once women are introduced and sexual competition starts.

Soon, there are various cliques operating with their own leader, and they start voting based on this rather than ability, leading to an overall slow down in efficiency. They do this because their leader will put them in decent positions versus the other workers. This eventually will lead to a flashpoint where certain people or even whole groups are blamed for the failure of the factory, and without outside help, the factory crawls to a stand still.

So, without even getting into economics, I've dismantled and subverted your democratic control system using basic social engineering. Democracy is inefficient because people will naturally choose the path of least resistance. Nobody wants to clean toilets, especially communal toilets, and everybody wants to work as little as possible. The fastest way to do this is to get on the inside track of somebody with a naturally dominant personality. I don't even have to touch the economics to destroy this arrangement.

Yes, the currency was backed by labor; the amount of Reichs Marks in the system was always tied to the amount of production the nation output.

That's not individual labour though.