"workout culture" is an inherently bourgeois phenomenon
It sets up useless standards, and then capitalizes on them by creating a need for equally useless goods and services.
People who buy into the scam then get commodified and exploited in some way in the appearance-based industry, which is then used to sell more useless goods.
You can make this argument about everything though
anime, video games, books, tv, movies, airfix models, skateboarding, cycling, knitting, blah blah, they all involve buying stuff
Ryan Jones
People tend to overlook workout culture though. They see it as a virtue rather than an industry.
Adrian Lee
I've always been skeptical of the whole /fit/ bodybuilder movement. Instead of working toward practical skills, these guys spent most of their free time just becoming larger, often going to extreme lengths to do so.
Isn't all that effort much better focused elsewhere?
Ian Campbell
This is because of their ego, not capitalism.
Obesity is a serious health problem in the first world, so they think not being fat is somehow an achievement.
David Gomez
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Elijah Watson
Sporting outside in the Nature without a gym or expensive tools is most superior form of bodily exercise. Jogging and Hiking all the way!
Noah Perry
As long as you don't take it too far into the other direction and use the excuse of capitalist propaganda to validate your own unhealthy lifestyle, you're fine. There's definitely an industry of spooks at work, but that doesn't mean there's something inherently wrong with self maintenance.
Sebastian Perry
Give me a good reason to lift
Jason Brooks
How are you gonna have a revolution with little baby arms?
Charles Baker
You look good, you feel healthier and it's fun. You don't "have" to lift, but having a decent amount of muscle improves your metabolism. This should of course be coupled with cardio and flexibility training. Not doing any exercise at all is completely toxic.
Luke Bell
Bourgeois as fuck.
Jackson Thompson
wid a gon :::::D
no ok no Why is this desireable? I agree
Jose Gutierrez
Don't go to the gym
The gym is for building your body outlook you can have free exerting walking in the wildness and lifting heavy rocks, do it with friends it is so much fun and lewd or put an audio book in your ears if you are alone that will get you theroyxfit in the same time
Colton Ramirez
Muscles beyond what is needed to carry your gear (nowhere near /fit/ levels) do almost nothing for you in modern combat. People should get healthy but bodybuilding is just steroid rat faggotry
Wyatt Hernandez
ITT:
Aaron Phillips
Because then you're not a fat fuck
Samuel Lewis
What if I'm not a fat fuck anyway?
Henry Turner
Why don't you ask some girls what they think of pic related? This is a benefit. Well I find it fun. I love going to the gym and I feel great after. I'm curious if you've ever tried lifting consistently over a decent amount of time(like 6 months)? Being healthy is not desirable? You won't get fat as easy dingus.
And what if you don't take steroids nigger?
How old are you?
Brandon Nelson
A E S T H E T I C S
Isaac Myers
You're in a minority then.
Is that pic of you? That's nice and all but let's not pretend you need to be that muscular to be a revolutionary, I bet most actual soldiers are less.
Oliver Thompson
No, that's a similar build to what I have though(around 5'10 175). He's skinnier than me. I wouldn't post a pic of me on here.
I'm not saying it's required for "le revolution", I'm just refuting OP's nonsense that casual weight lifting without using steroids is somehow "bourgeoisie". It depends, probably 10 pounds less than pic related. As long as you stay out of commercial gyms, you don't run into roid heads. Mostly old people and teenagers.
Hudson Walker
Why would I care? :^)
Minor benefit, and easily achieveable through other means. Running for instance.
No, but during my military service I did "build a body". Didn't maintain it afterwards because why would I?
Hey I didnt say being healthy wasn't desireable, I asked why a high metabolism was desireable. I barely eat everyday, so getting fat is not an issue.
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Jason Long
Building muscle for no practical application is pretty… whatever. By all means, go do it, I don't care.
It doesn't necessarily increase your metabolism, though, that's highly individual and more diet based. Physical exertion of any amount will lead you to need more calories, so it might feel like you're metabolizing faster, but generally you just require more food to sustain yourself. As a vegan (heh), people talking to me about improving cardio and metabolism through more than necessary exercise sounds ridiculous.
This poster I agree with more.
Past a certain point of "fitness", you're pretty much just increasing how much food you need to eat. There is no other gain.
Kayden Harris
Because everything that involves buying stuff is haram bourgoise.
Aaron Gonzalez
So why not do functional exercises? I don't see what you're getting at here. Why is there only one way to train?
Well if you didn't enjoy it that's fine, but a lot of other people do.
I barely eat everyday, so getting fat is not an issue.
You're only 26. Wait till you get to 45.
Muscle burns more calories than fat does. If you have more muscle you burn more calories which is why even when you aren't trying to put on muscle, if you don't eat enough you'll loose it.
Dylan Hernandez
Nothing really worth responding to here. But good for you. Your hobby sounds totally cool and awesome.
Zachary Williams
Yeah, your thread is shit.
Caleb Rogers
Yes, that was my point.
Never said there was. But the post of yours that I'm replying to is you replying to someone asking 'why lift'.
Parker Campbell
Not my thread, and you still havn't given me a reason to lift beyond "it feels good in my tummy"
What did he mean by this?
Matthew Campbell
You know who else don't sit on their ass all day smoking weed and posting on /leftypol? The Bourgoise. So you see, getting of your ass is the mental colonization of bourgoise ideology.
Jackson Flores
Resistance training is good for health and longevity.
Mason Phillips
There's no other reason to do anything other than it being somehow fulfilling to you. What other reason do you want?
Here's an article on the benefits of weight lifting. I have scoliosis and other postural problems, and since I've started weight lifting my posture has improved a lot without having to get any work done at a physician.
Because OP's thread is about how using a gym to work out is somehow bourgeoise when people have been doing resistance training since Ancient Greece as a way to improve strength and build muscle.
Read the article in this post
Owen Taylor
I dunno man, maybe since we're on a leftist board I'd like some arguments for how working out would benefit the leftist cause. If it doesn't, then it's just a hobby and we should stop trying to make it a revolutionary activity.
Alright so it helps your condition. That's completely irrelevant to the "ethics" of working out.
The word bourgeoise is getting stupid, but..
Josiah Kelly
Do you brush your teeth for the leftist cause?
Luis Jackson
Havn't seen anyone claiming we should or should not brush our teeth for the leftist cause. We've had 3(!) threads the past two days about working out.
As the source for its metabolism increase which doesn't even mention exercise in its tips to increase metabolism, only dietary concerns - hydration, and not skipping meals; except at the end of it, in which it states:
So… doesn't really specify anything beyond that. It's just checklist pop-sci. Of course you're going to burn more as you need more, but that doesn't mean you'll burn it faster (or rather, at a faster rate), you might literally expend energy faster, and your body will constantly use what it has available to it, but the actual rate of processing it isn't necessarily going to increase just because you exercise. You'll just be requiring to process more of it, for longer periods of time.
Maybe it's just me misunderstanding how you're using metabolism here. To me you're referencing the processing rate (as in the speed), and this sounds like merely increasing the workload. It won't make the processing faster.
In addition the benefits that the article you linked stated as coming from strength training, might as well be '7 reasons to follow X Veggie diet' as you'd probably get about the same results. Without hopping on a treadmill.
Oliver Thomas
Doing some strength training helps with just that - strength. No, you don't have to body build to be a solider. Just working out to maintain some muscle will help you when in battle, especially in a fist fight(if it ever comes to that). Why do you think they have weight classes in boxing? I posted an article that list different health benefits from resistance training. It improves your health - this is objectively true. You decide if that is relevant to the "leftist cause".
Yeah, fair enough. I misunderstood you - apologies.
Isaiah Price
Yeah, in a fist fight you will be able to carry yourself better. But even then, why not practice martial arts instead? But I seriously doubt you're going to experience much fist fighting during a revolution. So most of the time, a big guy will just be a bigger target that consumes more food.
I mean, realistically I don't think we're ever going to see any actual revolution, so if it's just for the jouissance of fighting nazis in the streets, then more power to you. It still doesn't really move beyond hobby/vanity status to me.
Ryder Morales
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David Butler
Name one thing that isn't bourgeois.
Protip: You can't
Camden Myers
Not an argument, Holla Forumsintelpro
Dylan Adams
Me
Anthony Johnson
Try again lad.
Carson Wilson
how many layers of irony are you on right now
Dominic Watson
Fucking hell this thread is retarded. Holla Forums is over there going on about how the Left hates masculinity, and here you are backing them up because Chads make you insecure. Eat big, lift heavy and stop being a girlyman faggot.
Jason Parker
I'd rather die.
Besides, who gives a fuck what Holla Forums thinks? Take your spooks and your projection elsewhere, faglord.
Jaxon Barnes
You're playing into their constructs, you're the one backing them up.
Caleb Phillips
fuck off lad
Ryder Ortiz
I don't see why Leftists shouldn't work out or get fit or stronger. When shit hits the fan you're gonna need to get shit done in the streets.
Plus it's healthy.
Carson White
shtf is a Holla Forums meme tbh lad
Josiah Lewis
How are you different from reddit exactly?
MAs will only get you so far. Being a stick-legged faggot means that no amount of training will let you beat someone who's actually strong.
Landon Rogers
If you "get things done in the streets" without a weapon you're an idiot.
Parker Morris
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Carter Gray
Obv you can't be like unhealthily skinny but you don't need to be that strong to beat someone stronger than you, you just need to know how to manipulate the human body and physics to your advantage.
i.e. No bro-tier MMA or bullshido martial arts
Jonathan Gomez
>somehow we're from reddit now this is shitposting
Josiah Brown
Also let's not forget that wars are fought with weapons, not with muscles.
Being muscular is literally fucking useless in our society for anything other than if you wanna look gross and hypermasculine because you're insecure about your sexuality and need to overcompensate ;^)
Easton Jones
I have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to reddit and whine about heteronormativity or whatever it is you do.
Liam Parker
No one here is whining about heteronormativity, and is referencing the tactic which Holla Forums uses constantly to attract new users, which is a constant attack of someone else's character or identity unless they engage in the same activities as they are, kind of like republicans 'bullying' "liberals" by saying they're weak unless they go full out nuclear holocaust and triple military spending and amounts of bombs dropped.
It's a way to get people with a lesser developed idea of their self to paddle around in the swamp of Holla Forums while constantly seeking praise from the pol-senpai ID.
Am I strong enough now? Am I cold enough now? Do you like me yet? etc. And like plenty of anons here have already stated, if you want training - you'll want combat training.
I can't think of a single revolutionary soldier who actually fought in combat ever writing or talking about the importance of weight lifting. They did speak of the importance of weapons, and organization.
Holla Forums and fitness types would call Che an unfit skinny looking dude.
Luis Gray
You're brand new here aren't you?
Asher Murphy
also what this person said
People who shitpost about muh lifting as though it will have any relevance to an actual revolution are insecure LARPers.
Logan Collins
ew
Wyatt Barnes
Kat post your butt tbh
Parker Diaz
Nice try, false flagger!
Ryan Adams
this nigger right here
Ryan Morgan
I always forget about this pathetic side of leftism
Logan Peterson
Fuck off Holla Forums :^)
Henry Scott
Started lifting 1 year ago and have only taken 2 weeks off schedule for surgery
omg the bourgeois got me shit I guess Ill stop
Wyatt Martin
??? Just work out outside you fucking mong. Its free.
Matthew Fisher
So true. And people use it as a self improvement meme when someone has trouble getting positive attention from women.
Hookup culture is a capitalist scam from the top down.
Christian Bell
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Brayden Turner
Capitalism commodifies everything and turns it into a nice little niche market. Very few features of our culture are inherently capitalist, most were just turned that way because there was an opportunity to make profit off of it.
Easton Rivera
This is why you non-ML fringe socialist will never be taken serious Keep complaining with your bourgeoise talking points and distortions of Marxism or stupid ass ideologies that brought nothing but failure while pretending not to notice that only Marxism Leninism has ever built workers democracy the most successfully while you faggots only ever eat dust. youtube.com/watch?v=hJa1wAcmCcM
Henry Baker
debatable
Blake Russell
An infantryman needs to be able to carry 40-50 pounds 15 km a day. Get /fit/ if you don't want to be running around with a peashooter and a single tin of beans.
Ethan Brooks
Ever notice that armies don't tend to allow emaciated children to enlist? Every wonder why that was?
Ryan Baker
Thats because its both user.
Jaxson Robinson
Pretty sure there were a lot of those fighting bravely in both WW1 and 2. Not literal children but certainly 16, 17, 18, 19 etc.
Kayden Powell
Is it the official gay thread?
Nathaniel Adams
It's healthy
Nathan Williams
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Noah King
Another cord to attach to your ego for the powerful and the media to play with.
Another excrement that the monoculture provides its IDPOL hungry denizens after it's done assimilating something into an easily digestible paste.
Hudson Carter
Weight training is generally pointless in terms of time and money put to benefits ratio, especially for Holla Forums who I can only assume is 90% emasculated twinks. including myself :3
Cardio, on the other hand, is great. My bike is fucked right now but I usually bike 15-20 miles every morning.
Cardio, on the other hand,
Wyatt Martin
Ignore my fuckup.
Aaron Morris
OP, are you the fag I was arguing with about gyms in the thread a few days back?
Camden Collins
So basically everything is bourgeois?
Makes me think you just want an excuse for not staying healthy. Take up running or swimming.
Nonsense, I know many whom lifted and did cardio (perhaps more) and they all look really good and have big muscles etc. It's also good for one's mental health. I do nothing but cardio: I love running.
I would like to do swimming more but I'm really self-conscious about my body
Andrew Miller
Those are the people who are there cause their not fit, the steroid rats are the people who are their and who are actually fit tbh
Ian Russell
wow what a surprise
Cooper Walker
Really makes you think.
Landon Gonzalez
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Anthony Morales
but some anons want to be cute traps I can't let you convince them otherwise because I want to fuck them
Benjamin Green
>implying everything isn't bourgeois Uphold Posadism with Cambodian Characteristics thought
Aiden Fisher
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Joshua Wilson
GUBMIT 1 GF PLS
Juan Baker
You shee, here, in user's thread we have yet another exhample of how modern capitalism turns everything into a commodity. *snif*
Working out and not being a fat slob that will die of heart attack and so on, is indeed good. I am a fat slob and I know.
However, this exess and fetishization of the "Workout culture" is yet another product of alienation. Having a healthy body becomes the meaning of your life and then it goes as far as turing you into a monster of muscles and, in the end, kills you even faster than fat.
So, in the end, the answer is always rape Capitalism.
Oliver Smith
culture is determined by the material conditions a person is brought up in, and changes accordingly as these conditions change. It is why if you'd take an american from one hundred years ago and an american from today they wouldn't even recognize eachother, and it is important to note that these differences are caused by differing conditions of development.
Read Marx, he explains this quite well. Also, this is why the stirnerites here are fucking stupid, they don't realize material conditions define culture and not some abstract notion of ego
Benjamin James
cardio will fuck up your health if you don't subside it with muscle exercise, you should start lifting but lightly if you are such a fruity faggot.
holy shit kill yourself, workout culture is cancer but at least know what the fuck you are talking about.
Brayden Bailey
no it doesn't, but it will fuck you up if you do nothing but cardio. Subside it with light muscle exercises if you really want to be a twink faggot.
Jason Lee
Yet more proof that leftists just hate aesthetics due to lack of their own bodies.
Kek.
Ian Bell
no wonder leftypol is, well, lefty… you are all sad fucks who want to bring others down to your lowly level
Grayson Ortiz
There's nothing wrong with wanting to look good. Some people spend their time running faster, or jumping higher. These guys just want to be bigger. Even in communism this will exist.
That doesn't mean it's for everyone, but you can't deny that dem muscles be sexually attractive, yo.
Sebastian White
Oh, no my friend. That's pol you're talking about.
We don't stop anyone from becoming what he thinks is better. If we did, would we spread Stirner along with Stalin?
It's pol that has to make everyone a nazi faggot, or else it's pretty ideology would collapse.
Levi Sanchez
There is a deficiency of physically stimulating work in the modern first-world society which means anyone not immediately motivated to be healthy becomes thin, spongy, or outright obese. A workout culture has formed to sell to the "healthnut" crowd, so I suppose you could say that capitalism has something to do with, although it's probably more because of capitalist development than commodification.
Brandon Myers
Again, you see, it's not the "Workout culture" or "getting healthier" but the commodification and the enforcement of such "ethics". Capitalism isn't bad because it makes you pay for the gym. It's bad because if makes you pay for everything else. It's the degradation of your needs and pleasures into mear commodities.
Liam Peterson
What's wrong with you people?
Levi Wood
An even worse industry which is tangentially related to the workout industry is the nootropic industry, i.e. those "biohack" vitamins that dipshits like Alex Jones and Joe Rogan sell. Pure neoliberal ideology.
Eli Wood
I've never been in a gym in my life. All those isolations are useless. And changing rooms in general smell of ass. Everything I need to get shredded is around my home for free. Weights, diy pullup bar etc. Handstand pushups need no equipment at all.
Aiden Sanders
It is dumb af I agree, makes everyone look ugly except those who like gay bears.
But yes it's dumb, it doesn't serves any propose what so ever except limiting your body movement.
One thing is being lean, naturally built other is being a mass for the sake of pleasing the dumb /fit/, who is also dumb enough to buy into Holla Forums ideas.
Daniel Thompson
That argument has always been stupid.
Weapons, tools & skill is what is needed. You don't need to be /fit/ on the streets where everything is allowed. Hell how a gym teaches you anything about survival? Running Marathons helps way more.
Why isn't the Elephant or the Silverback Gorilla the dominating animal in this planet? Because of tools & skilled users. You're putting lifting weights on a pedestal.
Your logic: "Mr. Olympia is more dangerous than Simo Häyhä with a Mosin Nagant! He is more ripped!"
Dex > Str ever since the first sharp stone knife was invented. smh kys or better yet come to where I live so I can show you.