Suddenly, Both Obamacare Repeal And Trump Tax Reform Are Dead

that's like "buying" a car insurance policy after I wrap it around a tree; and by "buying" I mean paying for it with other people's money while driving up said people's rates.

Beetus Bob should pay his own way, or be prepared to put up his own assets when his necrotic limbs need sawn off. The elderly are already required to do this to (re)pay nursing home care subsidized via Medicare… I think they even retroactively look for property/asset transfers going back a few years so they can hide assets with family.

*can't hide assets

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Best Korea seems to be on the table as well.

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Meanwhile the Dems appear corrupt and incompetent. How so? They are wasting their time pushing the Russia meme and slogging down government in the name of childish and suicidal virtue signaling. They are handed an opportunity to write a better bill, but they wont (because they cant).

Just what the fuck do all these failed lawyers do all day?

Do politicians even work? No one had anything is the top drawer to replace this shitshow ACA?

All fucking talk on the RINO right. If anything, Trump showed us that the Republican party is trash and that lead speaks louder than words.

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I'm playing devil's advocate here, because I basically agree with you. Or I should say that I fully agree with you, in that insurance should work that way.

But, it's also fair to point out, that unlike a car, or a house, or any physical object, you can't "total" a person and replace them.

Obviously, if you don't have insurance and you break an arm… yeah, suck it up butter cup and pay for setting your arm, and the cast, and the pain meds yourself. You can't buy a plan after the fact to cover something that happened in the past.

But what happens if you develop an incurable disease?

You could hardline it, and say, "Well if you had insurance before you developed the disease, it would be paid for, but you took the risk and didn't carry insurance. So now you have to pay going forward the rest of your life."

There are a few issues with this approach.

First off, only the insurance company you had when you developed the disease would be on the hook for paying for it. Which means you would never be able to switch insurance plans ever again, for the rest of your life. That's pretty shitty, even if your current provider doesn't hike your rates (which they will, over and over again, until you are financially forced to drop your coverage)

Second, if you ever lapse in coverage for any reason, the new company you buy insurance from will fight to the death to prove that you developed whatever disease you might get in the near future during that lapse. Or in other words, your insurance company has just as much as a right to protect themselves financially as you have a right to protect yourself physically. And they will exercise that right, and they have a lot more money, and medical professionals, and lawyers that are willing to testify and work on their behalf.

And thirdly, people don't just willingly die. It's great to theoretically proclaim that the common folk should have access to common medicine and healthcare techniques, and that only the wealthy should have access to the newest most expensive procedures and medicines. I even agree with this sentiment. Hell, its the very foundation on how the free market works, and how expensive goods and services come down in price over time, and allow themselves to be accessed by the common folk. But it's not politically viable. Everyone wants everything available to them, because most people will do anything not to die. Again, it's not like a house, or a car, or a boat. If physical property gets fucked, and you can't afford to fix it, people are willing to walk away from it. Sell if for scrap, and just be sad about the experience and the money they lost. Some people even have a level head on their shoulders and understand that this way of thinking should apply to their body as well. Everyone fucking dies, and everyone would like to live a full life, but at some point you have to know when it's inappropriate to ask society to pay to keep your body alive instead of just letting nature, or a 9mm to the skull, take it's course. But that rational doesn't sit well with most people. The hordes of idiots would rather flip the life raft, than accept the fact that there isn't any more room on the raft. It's hard to blame them, it's instinctual, natural, hell it's healthy to have a drive to survive at all costs.

I don't know what the solution is at this point. I think we'd be fine if we simply never let socialism work it's way into our healthcare system. But that's just my opinion, and that's not the reality we find ourselves in.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We have two choices: We can ban modern "insurance" (which is actually a healthcare plan, not healthcare insurance) and have a free market. Or we can have some form of single payer. To put that another way, we can either keep the life raft afloat and start fucking killing everyone who tries to flip it over in instinctual fear of death. Or we can let them flip it and all be brought down the the lowest element, and then hope for the best. It seems like the reality of the situation is currently that the raft is gonna get flipped.

Spot the leftcuck

Yeah, no kidding. Useless, duplicitous vermin is what they are.

Congress is a dead institution. They have abdicated their responsibilities to the executive branch. Separation of powers was nice while it lasted, but the legislature has proven itself useless time and again.

So are the Republican cuckservatives trying to stall Trump as much as possible and then force him into the middle east? Cant they just fuck off already?

you can and in a lot of cases should. I'd like the option to slip away peacefully rather than rot from the ass out, or steadily losing my mental faculties surrounded by strangers to the tune of thou$ands per week for the privilege

Everyone IS going to get sick, need medicine, need surgery, and eventually die. Failing to prepare for that is retarded. Pretending like it's just a case of cosmic bad luck and morally requires a bail out is lunacy on the part of gov't and society.

Question. Why has congress not have been hung yet?

They had 6.5 years to come up with an Obama care repeal.

They've been howling about Obama care since it's conception.

Same goes for the tax reform.

muh wiretapped golfcourses

The bills were a red herring. This shows how fucked the establishment is. As a thresher would move through a wheat field, Trump is going to smoothly seperate the wheat from the chaff. Ahead of schedule. Under budget.

see if Gorsuch gets seated. if they cuck that up, it's all over anyways; All of the progress Trump has made via EO's is fleeting in that it can be undone by a pen stroke should a single RINO or Gibshit hold the office.

SC seats transcend election cycles and the politics of the day, this is for all the marbles.

And the shill outs himself just like that. Couldn't even keep it together before the thread hit 100 posts.

Nigger there's nothing wrong with Zero Hedge. but there's something wrong with cuckservatives and the Republicuck Party

You might be able to "total" a human being, in terms of financially compensating their family. Of course that isn't health insurance, it's life insurance.

That doesn't exactly help the person who purchased the health insurance to keep them alive, does it? In order to actually "total" a human life from the perspective of HEALTH insurance, would require futuristic singularity level technology, where you actually scrap your biological body and move into a robotic shell.

Other than that nitpick, yeah I agree with your sentiment. Like I said, I was playing devil's advocate. But it doesn't change the fact than when faced with death, people don't make rational decisions. They are biologically programmed to survive at all costs, and only those with the wisdom and rationality to understand that everyone has to die, and it's not always a pleasant death in their sleep at 81.2 years of age, can suppress those biological urges.

I don't agree that people should leech off the system in an attempt to survive, but I can't blame them for it either. It's like stealing food when you are starving. Stealing is wrong, period. But I understand that almost anyone, when faced with death by starvation or theft, will choose theft. Just as someone who is drowning will pull someone under to get air. Just as they will tip a life boat, in an attempt to get aboard. It's wrong, but it's fully foreseeable. It's easy for most of us who are young and healthy to stand on principle, but it's fully foreseeable that the sick and elderly are going on insist on subsidized healthcare, even if it means sinking our ship of state. And the elderly are much more active politically. Most of us here don't believe in democracy, so it's not hard to make the argument, but democracy has to go if you want to save health care. These people need to be politically disenfranchised, or they will demand single payer.

That's just the way it is. No rational argument will convince them to take responsibility for their actions and just let nature take it's course. Let me repeat,

THERE IS NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT THAT CAN CONVINCE PEOPLE TO DISREGARD THEIR NATURAL INSTINCT TO SURVIVE

We talk a lot of biological realities here. Well here is another. Read it and weep.

What's it feel like to be a gay retard, OP?

Ryancare dying is a loss since that means that Obamacare will remain. Remember: Obamacare is a federal law, that means it can be repealed or supplanted by another federal law of your own (aka- Ryancare), but if you do neither it stays ad infinitum.

Where have I heard this false dichotomy before?

Try to sound less jovial, retard infiltrator.

Have you not read the article in the OP?

But that's a lie, friendo

It's not a lie, it's how federal laws work. They never go away on their own. They either get repealed directly or they get supplanted by something else.

Well there you have it, media cuckservatives now have the power to predict the future as well.

Your false dichotomy was already addressed above, now you're falling back on the classic jew tactic of ignoring counter arguments and simply repeating yourself from the start.

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I'm basing myself on the article in the OP. Do you have an article which claims that Republicans are still planning on either repealing or supplanting Obamacare? Share it then and I'll stand corrected.

Repeating a fact about how federal laws work after having disingenuously been called a liar is now a jew tactic?

Try not to sound like a jew, for a start, you filthy jew.

Repeating a fact about how federal laws work after having disingenuously been called a liar is now a jew tactic?
It's not a fact that the only choice is Obamacare or Ryancare, the fact is that there is plenty of time to replace Obamacare.

You're not even trying anymore, Moishe

When everything becomes too easy, we lose sight of ourselves.