4 Things that Make the Alt-Right Postmodern

This. Nice formatting though OP, post something less gay next time.

Milo isn't alt-right so wtf is this?

This article gives you actual arguments against the alt-right rather than "muh feelings".

autism

you guys didn't even read it, did you?

thanks for the link OP, I've seen this critique before of the post modernism and nihilism of the alt right (and other right wing internet groups), and it is pretty spot on.

I guess, or just don't follow an ideology and make your own decisions…

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that's post modernism in a nutshell.

This is like equating Nazi Furries with National Socialists.

You're a Jew, aren't you OP?

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Really? So making ones own decisions based of empirical evidence and not blindly following what x says is postmodern?

you said nothing of "following empirical evidence" (although plenty of people can have the same facts and come to different conclusions), just that you reject ideology for your own, subjective viewpoint. the hallway of a thousand mirrors.

Good read OP. Didn't bother with the original; I can decipher that jewish wordsalad, I but don't feel like spending my time on that. I might go back later for a thorough delving when I have some time.

Oh well I didn't articulate my ideas as I meant to. I agree 100% subjectivity is useless, but don't confuse rejecting narratives for embracing subjectivity.

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Really activating my almonds, kike faggot.

this shit so autistic that when i read it i feel like im reading another language

tl;dr

well here we come to a discussion I keep trying to have with various Holla Forumsacks but somehow never seem to really have. So we reject a lot of modern, degenerate society (although a lot of use are degenerates from having been raised in a degenerate world, although we strive for something better) but what do we really embrace? A lot of you will say National Socialism, but I want you to really think about this.

Personally I'm a fan of Hitler and a lot of his policies, there's a lot of wisdom to take from what he's done. But can you seriously call yourself a National Socialist, as if this was 1930's Germany? Maybe if you're German this would seem alright. And sure, NatSoc isn't necessarily a government type just for the German people. But does this honestly make sense?

Fascism and NatSoc were modern attempts to revive traditionalism and combat Marxism(and capitalism). Trying to revive a revival is several steps removed from actually having an ideology. You can think that Hitler did nothing wrong and that NatSoc Germany was pretty dank, but still think that it's not a solution or even an actual ideology for our time. If Hitler were to rise to power in Germany today, you'd be quite certain that he'd do things differently(although with the same principles at heart) than in the past.

Furthermore, if you want to say oh well, maybe not NatSoc but I'm definitely a "White Nationalist" then there is still plenty to break down and examine there. While completely agreeing with everything White Nationalism wants to accomplish (white countries, no jews, no blacks, fuck off we're full, take care of our own, blood and soil, etc), it's possible to see White Nationalism as inherently devoid of any real ideological meaning. It's not an idea, it's just acting on tribal interests. In fact it's not really political at all, it's almost entirely cultural (which is not necessarily bad, because culture is upstream of politics). Within the realm of "White Nationalism" you can have any number of diverging views on lots of topics but as long as you're pro-white, you're good to go.

This does nothing to solve the problem of why all-white nations succumbed to jews, blacks, mexicans, arabs, etc. To say that if our countries all just became 100% white overnight would solve all of our problems is totally asinine. We had white countries - now we're here. "A country gets the jews it deserves".

How often do we talk about the Industrial Revolution and how that led to the break up of society and extended family structures? About the atomization of society?

There's a lot we don't talk about or fully flesh out because everyone is too concerned about e-celeb drama, pithy one-liners, and having every word drip in irony or sarcasm.

Thanks for the garbage?

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Who said that? And of course it would, because that can't happen in a vacuum.

What else would constitute having a white majority, and more importantly why did whites even allow coloreds and jews in their countries in the first place? Are there any moral failures, or systemic societal pressures that make it ripe for this?

You seem to be forgetting redskins have always been in North America because they were there already and you couldn't kill them all before morality kicked in and western civilization realized it was better then that, niggers were always there because they were slaves and spics were always there because alot of the land conquered had a lot of spics in it already. If you're talking about Europe they are still mass majority white the issue is the kikes are trying to change that, it won't happen something will kick off eventually there but it won't be a race genocide it'll take political and cultural sides, even thinking it won't is a fucking farce.
As for the US, things are much more complicated then what is being perceived here all the time. There will never be a time where all niggers are killed for simply that reason, there will never be a time where all spics are killed for that reason everyone has to face reality, they are pawns the only real goal that can be achieved is the explosion of the kikes and their direct puppets which is feral nigger, spics, gooks, chinks, degenerate whites etc etc which can be killed once they are exposed, this is the vast majority of niggers, spics, degenerates they are almost already in open revolt it just needs to teeter off more. When it does it'll be as obvious as shit, the south west will be claimed by spics and the south niggers this will create identifiable enemies that AMERICANS can fight and this will result in the deaths of 100's of thousands if not millions of Niggers and spics and the pushing out of millions of them aswell.

This needs to be defined better and more compact so the most can be achieved with the least amount of damage to the structural integrity of the country. The Us can still be again a vast majority white country, cut welfare millions of spics will leave and niggers will either die or stop producing to see shitting out niggers won't solve their money problems. Deport the illegals and imprison their collaborators for breaking US law and the idea that was the US can return of hard work and assimilation not delusions that will never come to pass.

Not sure what you're asking, but in general, they saw niggers as roughly subhuman and no existential threat, and jews as parasites once they learned they were different, but also not as existential threats. Whites were conquering the world, the idea that their people would die off due to jewish subversion was completely unknown.

My point is that the only way to get to 100% white is DOTR

honestly I don't think anyone is concerned about Redskins, I kind of want to keep them around for the same reasons an ecologist wants to keep rare species of birds around. I agree that things are more complicated than "RACE WAR NOW!" but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Furthermore if what I understand is true and you think of America as breaking up and undergoing various civil wars (like spics taking over the SW), then I hardly see how there will still even be "Real Americans". Most likely there will be white Americans that will establish regional identities that are more or less at odds with some National American identity. I doubt most of those white places will be true ethnostates either, although there will likely be lots of ethnic conflict.

You have to wrap white nationalism in a broader context, steeped in traditionalism but addressing modern issues in a realpolitik sort of way.

You're completely missing what I'm saying. DOTR solves nothing because it only solves the SYMPTOMS, not the cause. And while yes, Jews are the schemers behind a lot of this shit that does not mean that they are the direct cause. They are opportunistic parasites that are only able to take hold of weak countries.

The question is, why did we allow ourselves to become weak? Your answer that we just didn't know any better is totally silly, people had been calling out Jews for their shit for thousands of years.

If we only act externally while not addressing the issues that internally affect our society we will never win. We will only win battles, never the war. Nothing will ever change.

This is why I'm White Supremacist, not alt-kike

Also OP is an autistic faggot

You seem to think you are in charge? You have authority, I guess,
but it is silly when a space alien is the important thing.

God talks to me.

I am leading this dance.

Here are my demands.

Jew invented label much like the aut-right

God's really really laid back.

You're in the room with him waiting for Him to talk.

"What?"

"Aren't You going to say something?"

"I'm good."

"You want us to do something?"

"Like what?"

"I don't know. You like entertainment?"

"Okay"

You have the voice of God.

Are you stupid?

Yes, you are stupid.

FYI Humility before exalted. Exalted before humility.

Einstein will never come from 3000 elite CERN scientists.
Einstein will always come from patent office.
You missed hiring Einstein from the patent office.

Voice of God. I hire you. You don't hire me, silly nigger.

I'm basically king, but I know that's not a pleasant job.

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Are you saying a people who have reached critical mass and are capable of it haven't figured out even the basics?

it happened long enough ago they couldn't have known, and even then, it took a long, long time to happen. And in small concentrations, there is no initial threat. They would have had to be nearly wiped out by people who didn't look almost like them to think some random ape-man or some weakling money-changer could wipe out their family, clan, or tribe.

the jews were usually only a threat to the aristocracy

There is no winning the war, only neverending battle as long as they exist anywhere near our society. If you want to get all philosophical at this late stage, you'll lose the battle and that's it. We're gone.

I'm saying that consolidating your allies is key to keeping the US alive. You won't win the vast majority of whites with harsh rhetoric about exterminating all niggers and spics and whatever but you can save the country from balkinizing (even amongst whites) by making your ideas political in nature and rational with stating the laws and constitution and keeping minorities on a tight leash but ensuring the country works for whites mostly when the dust settles, whatever is best for the whites everyone else can live their lives as a tiny minority once the proper checks are put in place within and in the best conditions because white western society always new best for the niggers in African and the poo's in India all across the world they just rejected it because they're children in terms sociological and technological development of their societies, I don't believe they're inferior by genetics I believe they're inferior in history and circumstance. Do I believe they should mix? No, people are diverse when they're separate and identifiable that is the beauty of humanity but there are reasons why things have gotten this way and it's all to do with what the kikes have done.

The weakness was bred from war and nihilism all ideological in nature. Communism was a direct existential threat to western ideology that saw progress and the most important aspect, the enlightenment brought to the forefront that a better future was waiting in the progress of society it was just ahead of us we just needed to reach it. What happen after WWII is that minds were so splintered and rocked by the devastation it left the west vulnerable and weak because it lost its stride, its identity. To revive that strong constitution western values and history must be celebrated, progress in the actual meaning of the word must be embraced and the individual needs to understand themselves and society again to move the collective conscience forward as it did with us in the past when things were far less complicated.

The fact they gotta over explain this image indicates that Islam is truly shit for women and overall a shit religion and that multiculti is equally shit.

Exactly my conclusion, if we splinter everything the west has created and fought for the Jews already won by separating everyone into thousands of camps hellbent on destroying each other to be "superior" it just will never work and the west and humanity is doomed to supremacy.

So essentially like this guy?

nice dubs

Sorry but I'm not sure what you're asking.

They couldn't have known? Really? There was plenty of anti-immigration talk in the USA in the 1800s. Lots of anti-jew talk, too. They knew. It wasn't even that weird to talk about it.

Definitely not true, the jews preyed upon the working classes with crime and usury and all other manner of social ills.

1) Okay yeah it's unlikely that we'll be able to convince the average person about the glories of wan-ton genocide. My question is - is DOTR/genocide/holocaust should have happened a real solution at all? Maybe the fact that we can never convince normies of it is a sign that it might not be a real solution, just a lashing out.

B) Things started to go south before Communism even took hold of Russia, the Industrial Revolution was a much bigger deal than communism in my opinion. For example, communism as an ideology could never have happened except that the Industrial Revolution happened. Now we are living in an information revolution, and things are much different. We have different problems. Neither Marx nor Hitler had to deal with robots replacing workers, nor global communication between workers and capitalists alike.

Ugh, always the LARPs. Whites are being attacked and there is a massive problem with niggers and spics and the vast majority need to die or go back but that rhetoric doesn't win ideological wars. You know what does? Tutee fruiti bulshit about everyone needing to racemix and genetic diversity as if that makes sense, everyone is equal etc etc. The kikes are behind the subversion of the west through these ideas.

The US should be controlled by and should be vastly populated by whites I just don't think killing all other people on the grounds of LARP genetics makes sense when we all know it will never happen being insecure about reality is the most of reason why people are on online forums in the first place.

1) I agree completely with that sentiment but I think a large portion of the problem can be duked out in a war with finite sides and political ideology that give AMERICANS the right and reason to kill a shit load of the problem. If a civil war breaks out and it is defined by those political agendas (spic nationalists trying to take the southwest, nigger separatists trying to take the south) then it is 100% possible to fix the demographic problem, especially seeing as how they will for sure be killing whites indiscriminately, any US loving citizen would love to blow a hole in every paco and nigger that is doing these things that is the difference between primitive cultures and the west the ability to not lash out, to aim at enemies and destroy them in every direction not simply through emotion and if this is done it would be the most effective way to keep the US alive and western society alive but learning a lesson to not let kikes, niggers and spics do whatever they want and let their populations get out of hand through immigration and welfare cause niggers are still a pretty small minority if not the most annoying and destructive one.
B) I agree, that is an interesting revelation, thank you.

He didn't say anything about people race mixing. Also, who's LARPing?

I don't know if you were being ironic, genuine or I'm missing something.

I can't wait until people start realizing that Fascism/Nation Socialism is a modernist ideology. Lefty heads will be exploding left and right.

Why do you think the United States is a nation that deserves existence? Maybe white Americans do but the United States?
I think the mistake with America started with the founding. Hell you could argue it started before. An all white America will never exist because America was built as a ticking time bomb.

Anyway what is likely to happen is the fall of the American state and potentially some mostly white smaller nations breaking off from it after the eventual collapse.

Why would I give a shit about America? It's a god awful place and deserves to be destroyed. Civic nationalism is retarded because it wants to destroy the one good thing about America (whites) to preserve everything that is wrong with America (literally everything else).

Acting on tribal interests is political, jackass.

TL; DR the entire "new" movement is nothing but vapid contrarianism, that happens to be against nu-marxist liberalism.

It's just that the idiots who wrote this don't understand what's really going on which is a mastery of the Hitler/Goebbels propaganda techniques of making your propaganda explainable to even the dumbest people you're trying to reach.

It's not that there's no ideology here, it's that the message has to be tailored to reach even the lowest common denominator. Anyone who wants to see the data to support the arguments can find it, but only the very small percentage of actual intellectuals are interested in that to begin with and propaganda isn't effective on them–they just want to see the data and make up their own minds.

Read the War Propaganda chapter of Mein Kampf to understand what's been put to use here. The leftists can't because their funhouse mirror way of viewing the world won't allow them to.

I disagree, there really is no ideology here. Acting in your own self interest, and in your tribal interest is instinctual. It is natural, normal, and should be expected. However it is not an ideology. It says nothing about how you should order your tribe, nor why your tribe exists and where it is going. Maybe I should take another look at Mein Kampf but in the mean time, can you spell out what things mean for us today?

1) My whole point with the demographic problem is that the demographic problem is not solely a matter of numbers. It is not just that whites aren't breeding enough to sustain the future and it's not just that blacks and browns are out breeding us everywhere. My concern is how we even got here, and how we can stop it from occurring(or at least mitigate the effects). This is not just a spreadsheet game that we're playing and having more white people means we win and killing black people means they lose. There are qualitative aspects and real human lives at stake. Real suffering.
B) I'm kind of curious as why I went from 1 to B but it made sense that the time.

Tribe vs tribe is ultimately foreign policy, not domestic. Obviously the implications is that the United States isn't a singular State, just like the EU is just a giant bureaucratic piece of nonsense. Tribalism is best understood as a precursor to proper politics, not politics in and of itself.

theres 10 of these articles written every hour

this one isn't intelligent or original enough to warrant its own thread

Underrated. This is the quality im looking for. I also would enjoy seeing some serious responses and rebuttals to the main ideas of this post

Alt-Right man the Jew media loves to spin narrative.

God everything about this is unbearable to read. I am going to make a pseudo-philosophical claim about postmodern movements just like the author of whatever this is.

Probably true, but seeing all of this alt right shit gives me a newfound respect for the ethos of older WNs. I know a lot of skinhead crews are just FBI, but there's at least some testosterone that the alt right doesnt have

Alt-right is the Green Day of white nationalism. The kids listen to it because it's catchy. They inevitably start gearing towards harder older stuff, and then start sneering at the faggot alt-rightists and their poncy fag parades. Just ignore them. Let them be the punching bag of cat-ladies, sjws, and out-of-touch neocons. It can't hurt us, and it might even help.

I'd like to see some good discussion too, I'm really just trying to work ideas out. Frankly I'm tired of the partisan battles where everyone pretends like they have all the right ideas. The time is ripe to get back into the nitty-gritty and really figure out, through the freedom of anonymous discourse, what is best for ourselves and our people. Protecting our identity and board culture against interlopers is one thing, but we have to constantly examine ourselves and our believes and decide if we are doing what is truly best for ourselves. These are good questions to ask when we are constantly concerned with shills.

when we aren't constantly concerned with shills*

sorry its getting late

This was a very good thread OP. Excellent breakdown of an interesting article. I think the author has been steeping in our memes too long for her own comfort. I really enjoyed reading your spot-on critique line by line. Incidentally, I think one of the left's problems is their inability or unwillingness to talk without the academic lingo, while we revel in breaking things down for the common man.

Please accept this softcore pornography as a small token of my sincere gratitude.

Decent post. Put it this way: I may not have a concrete ideology to call my own, but I'm pretty damn sure I know who needs to be hurt. Sometimes that is enough.

Webm related.

Basically correct.

The Alt Right does not exist in a meaningful sense and the sooner it is forgotten the better.

White Nationalism is a European globalism meme that mostly applies to the US. Germans, Russians, French etc should maintain their national, cultural and ethnic differences.

If you read OP's posts, I think it addresses this point well. They are using it as a catch-all label for people of various right-wing persuasions who use shitpost style rhetoric on the internet. The ideological beliefs of this set are inconsistent and many if not most reject the label and categorization. OP's posts go over this. It's a good read.

No one should say national socialism because it is far too nebulous. Anyone who says that has no idea what they are talking about and probably hail from reddit or 4chan. What Holla Forums used to stand for was TRUTH; before all else must come the truth, for how can you ever know or do anything if your entire foundation is based upon lies? We endlessly and tirelessly seek the truth, arguing amongst ourselves until through sheer overwhelming evidence or logical near-certainty, the masses accept the outcome. This is also why there are certain fracture points on Holla Forums that repeatedly come up, and which are used by shills - things like religion, things like OP is a shill, things like 'was Charlemagne/Oliver Cromwell/Pinochet/American founding fathers/Trump/Le Pen/Wilders/etc a jew/traitor', and so on. These fracture points exist because it is impossible to know for a certainty whether these things are true, especially for those who are already dead. Truth nonetheless remains the foundation upon which all else is based, and has until recently been the most important thing to Holla Forums.

Until recently the most important thing to Holla Forums was the truth, but that has shifted to survival. Upon discovering the truth that 'white genocide' is taking place; we have realised that all subsequent truths are less important as if we are all dead we will never even be able to act upon them. So we seek to find a way to reverse this trend, to stop our genocide and to rebuild our ranks. In some cases this can mean stifling potential truth when a side-effect is beneficial to our survival - so think of Trump's relationship with jews, or Le Pen's points regarding what a French citizen is; whilst these things are concerning, and make many of us want to expose them as the shills that they might be - they are also currently very beneficial for whites and their election will buy us more time. If we get side-tracked in exposing some negatives about them, we will damage their chances of success; and their victory (despite any negatives) is the best that we can currently hope for. We are engaged in a war of demographics in our home nations - and the longer we can hold on to our advantage, the more of our kith and kin shall awake, and the more likely our survival becomes.

So truth was the first virtue Holla Forums and the 'alt/new/far/whatever-right' embraced, and it led us to desire survival more than anything else. For survival however we must hold more yet more ideas and virtues, because survival in itself is nebulous. So we have a great many other things too.

Order. Without order we cannot survive, we seek to live structured, organised, pure lives where we come together to protect our interests and bolster our kind's position. We believe in strict hierarchies, even amongst our own - though in a strange way we enforce anarchy upon ourselves as it makes us, at the current time, impossible to truly infiltrate. The disorganised nature of the chans has however undeniably embraced hierarchy, and whilst we may not all agree on where we individually fit; we are well aware that there are the deluded 'blue-pills', that there are the traitorous and evil SJW/cucks, that there are the apathetic 'normalfags', the low-IQ cuckchanners, and so on. Our love of national socialism, fascism and monarchy also points to an obvious embrace of order and hierarchy.

Strength. Might makes right, and we as a collective have decided that we must become strong. We spend our days reading history and philosophy, we debate and argue in huge international forums daily, we work-out, we lift, we eat well, we reject practices that weaken both the mind and the body. Without strength we will never realise our potential; and so we seek to become the ubermensch.

Justice. Justice probably came somewhere before the others if I'm honest. Justice was for me at least the first virtue, it was what made me so concerned with the truth. It was painfully unfair to me that all these dark hordes infesting my nation were given such benefits and advantages, not only by the government but even by schools and films. Constantly they were praised whilst despite me working harder and doing better; I would only be ignored or else chastised. I saw women get treated differently, able to get away with stuff that I would be attacked for, able to attack me and any defense I mounted would see me labelled as the instigator and villain (today I do believe men and women should be treated differently and would be okay with some of the stuff that seemed unjust back then - but it was unjust because I was told they were my 'equal', when they were clearly inferior in many regards, and yet got a ton of extra benefits and immunities - and that is an injustice if we are 'equal')… And then of course the endless amounts of actual crime. Even as a child it was apparent that the 'ethnics' in my school often belonged to gangs, and whether they were committing real crimes (mugging, drug dealing, threatening people with weapons, stealing, etc) or simply trying to intimidate people - it was apparent that there was something about these dark people that was evil; and yet all I would ever hear was about how they were innocent, how they were victims and how it was people like me who had never done anything to hurt or disadvantage anyone in their life who had 'oppressed' them and made them into the monster that they (apparently were not) today. Not only was it illogical, it was unfair; and it led me to desire the truth. Knowing it now, I now want to dispense justice, to remove the evil from this world, and to restore order and the natural hierarchy.

There are a great many other virtues that we embrace too. Christian and pagan virtues are embraced by many (though usually with the 'be kind to the alien'/'give hearth, home and food to foreigners' conspicuously missing). If you have never read up on these codes of ethics, these virtues; then honestly you need to get reading son. Holla Forums was built around this stuff. It is who we are and it is driven by.

Truth. Survival. Order. Strength. Justice.

This is a NatSoc board though. To try and imply that National Socialism is a leddit or 4chan thing is just wrong.

Lots of good posts in this thread. These are two very good posts.

I believe in FREEDOM!!

… National Socialism is just our version of 'freedom'. It is a lazy answer that does not really mean anything, and should always come with some explanation. If you actually explained the tenets of National Socialist ideology that you believe in/follow, rather than simply stating 'I am a NatSoc!' you would probably find that a lot of normalfags would agree with you and want to learn more. You'd also find that you would have a better understanding of it yourself.

If people are serious about discussion, then the response to this being christcuckery shouldn't be "d&c!" The ideology is poison, removes the defense of ethnic identity and racial awareness resulting in being jewed; egalitarian for any not you and yours at the detriment of you and yours, everyone god's children/the same, turn the other cheek/be a doormat, born a sinner/hate yourself, a recipe for being a doormat on the way to extinction. The story of cuckstianity makes it a death cult, what's pinned after is jesus coming back, cucks go with him to heaven, sinners go to hell, but only souls go, that means the body dies, so the cuckstianity end goal is global genocide, which has resulted in actions by fundamentalist christcucks in the real world who think they can trick their all knowing god into coming early by stuffing jews into jewsrail and start global nuclear wwiii, the final solution jesus returns. Works out great for jews because they don't believe the christcuck bullhockey and dovetails perfectly with their world domination plan of isreal ruling the world of a much culled racemixed dumbed down shitskin hoard of slaves. jew neocon "US" foreign policy, control of America, attack everything White jew agenda would be nowhere without christcuck's fervent backing and pozzed everyone god's children minds.

When people say that they are National Socialists, there is also the implicit assertion that they stand for truth in history. That's how Holla Forums got from truth to National Socialism.

But of course a truthful understanding of history is a somewhat different topic from the practical application of politics today. The Holocaust never happened is a historic truth, not a political system. When somebody says that their political system is National Socialism, more than anything else they are stating a historic truth instead of stating their preference for political system. There is certainly some political component there, but the historic truth is the real meat of it.

The problem is that when trying to have that conversation you're going up against beliefs that have the strength of religious conviction duh. Anyone who has remained a Christian this long on Holla Forums obviously has VERY strong mental defenses in place that keep the religion from being dislodged. If you try to have this discussion you end up triggering those mental defenses and the thread turns into a war zone.

Reads like it was written by a third semester sociology student in about one night.

I'd disagree. You say NatSoc and I think a range of things, though not truth. I think… You stand for nationalism and unity, you stand for government/state welfare programs, for publicly funded schools/kindergartens, for high standards for each individual as you do not live for yourself, but for your collective, for duty, hard-work, self-reliance (self as in nation, not needing 'globalism' to survive). For the most part I think it incorporates a lot of very good ideas, but it doesn't convey a knowledge of the 'truth' in any way except as a kind of 'virtue-signalling' on the chans where it has taken on some extra meaning.

I still think it is lazy though. Think of it this way… If I asked some normalfag what virtues/ideas they embrace, and they respond with 'democracy'; you would consider them an imbecile (and rightly so). Now it might be that they have a ton of reasoned arguments for why they support that - just as people here may with their national socialism - but when asked about 'what do you believe' it does not suffice as an answer.

I think this cannot be overstated - truth and survival are one and the same right now. If you are a European or a white American and living in denial of that the current trajectory of society is a suicide for your culture and race, you need to think again and wake up.
Whatever "post-bulshit" ideas are being pushed or described, they need to be laid low and forgotten as an aberration of the early development stage of internet-fuelled social change.
In an era of information network, too much of it has become clogged with ideas, perceptions and falsehoods and not enough truth, raw data needed for survival has been transmitted around. While disconnecting from that and reconnecting with the social life of our forefathers and restoration of communities would be the ideal recipe, the same force that gives the enemy his power is also our only hope - in a great paradox, the information network that oversaturates our minds and souls is also our only path for unplugging others and bringing them back to the truths of life that sustained us for thousands of years.

The articale claims that great truths and visions become discredited as they are revealed to the jaded "pos-modern"audience. What they failed to realize that the caustic shit they kept flinging at everything melted away their own facades, and left us with the untarnished truth. People need great statements and ideas to give them a view of life that is more than consumption and living in a pseudointellectual bubble projected by leftie critique. They need to know that their lives are a part of a greater, meaningful whole and that our societies and rituals aren't empty, but life-giving and nourishing in face of an uncaring cosmos.

This is also a good point - when you explain what you mean to people, you might find that more people than you know support and believe in truth, and they will be quick to affirm their loyalty to an idea that beforehand would be abhorrent to them. Lefites are quick to label everything because single-line names are wonderful and disguising the content and turning things into unacceptable views as long as you don't look inside. To deliver the truth, you must unpack everything. From critical theory we must go back to the very bedrock of philosophy and reacquaint the world with Socratic method, where truth is the highest virtue.

discussion doesnt get good for several posts

nigger did you just post what I said?

kek

shiiiet, trips nigga

I'm pretty sure the author have been reading the BMW board.

As long as you tell the truth.

Not that the cucks can admit this, because Multicult need to present us as the liars.

Either reading /bmw/ or reading posts on Holla Forums made by /bmw/. I'd like to think our enemies are unaware of /bmw/.

thinking about killing yourself is so gay

i dont like the alt right very much

Okay I'm going to go out on a limb here and say something a little bit heretical but I think this whole survival-because-we're-all-dying meme is a little bit overstates. Yes, according to current demographics the entire world will be brown in like, 30, 40 years or something. But statistics are fucking bullshit and nothing works that way. That's not to say we don't have real, VERY serious demographic problems. But are we literally all going to fucking die? There's a lot of reasons why I don't see that happening. The less white people, the less people there are to support the third world…so the less third-worlders. You can only kill so many white people before everything goes to shit, and the jews know this.

Sure, they may say, "Kill all white people" etc etc but you know they don't actually mean it. I mean they might feel it, because they really do hate us and WANT us all dead but is that good for them? No fucking way.

If we go, this whole fucking shitshow goes. This world does not exist without white people propping it up.

Now I realize I'm treading a fine line because it's actually imperative for our people to realize our lives are at risk. But I'm not trying to convert new people in this conversation, I'm trying to talk to everyone that already understands the score.

To get what we want, we need more answers. We need more questions. We have gotten complacent in our victories and we are honestly pretty lost. I'm not sure that if we consistently operate from a perspective of pure fear and panic ("we're all going to fucking DIE") is actually the best.

The mindset of panic is one that is very easily manipulated. Yes, we're facing a serious demographic crisis. Yes, we need to do something about it NOW. But the rhetoric that we constantly eat up - well we've been listening to our own propaganda. We've lost our predilection for the truth and our survival instincts have totally subsumed it.

Once again I want to state, so no one misunderstands, nothing I'm saying is inherently anti-natsoc or white nationalism or against any of the things we want. Lately, I've been coming to the conclusion that what we have is not enough. It's a damn good start.

But it's not enough.

Nice effort, OP, but its a lot of reading for a pretty simple concept.

Alt-right is an anti-traditionalist reactionary movement. They are our enemies. They fly under the radar by focusing their attacks on Islam, but for the wrong reasons. Most of their criticisms, if not all, could be leveled at fundamentalist Christianity or nationalist-fascism.

What do you say about the inherent post-modernism and nihilism inherent in everything you see in this realm?

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Its not fear and panic we operate from, but the cold dread that shrouds you at night when you think about future of your family and children. It's not going to happen tomorrow, or in a week's time. It will happen without you noticing, until you wake up one morning and suddenly realize that things aren't the same any more, even though nothing "really" changed.
We face a problem of continuous and systematic undermining of European man and his civilization, which at this point is about the only civilization that operates on this planet.

They aren't going to kill us, but they will cage us as a super-productive minority that sustains a technologically advanced state, with moronic masses being used to enforce control for the Zionist elite. We aren't going to live in Orwell's world, but Huxley's (it should be telling that I managed to finish '1984' without batting an eyelid, but I had to put down 'Brave New World' after a single chapter). Hell, this is what we are being shaped to think and believe now, and this has to be countered with the most stark and brutal rejection and counter-ideology we can muster, to put a clean break on the slippery slope of liberal progressivism.

We have lost none of the edge, the beauty of truth is that you cannot have too much of it. Truth is nothing more or less than knowledge of the facts and the material world that we live and interact with, of factual past and traceable outcomes in the future.

nigger you didn't even get digits and you're saging a thread full of great discussion, my only conclusion is that you're a fag

That's what you call the alt-right, user. Now I could go on, but this post says everything I wanted to, and does a better job than I could.

oh but dude the alt-right is actually everything I hate and I was totally right wing before them REEEEEE

it's totally understandable why no one wants to associate with the entirely gay label of "the alt right" but by the definition of it that most people use to understand it, not only are the people that say they aren't alt-right actually the most alt-right of all, but there's literally not alt-right except for all the people that say they aren't alt-right.

It's very hipster.

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Reported (if I can…). I hope you get banned for this.

fuck you, you didn't even read the thread, why don't you join in the decent discussion we've got going about some shit

oh but no, you're just going to yell for the mods to delete this thread or some shit because you're a gigantic fag and have literally nothing to add except being from reddit

I don't think you understand what the guy you quoted said. Essentially the 'alt-right' does not exist except as a catch-all term to define EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that is not your typical 'cuckservative' "right". Leftists and rhetoricists commonly use such labels as they allow them to dismiss many inconvenient arguments by focusing on one or two idiotic ideas (which are usually themselves strawmanned) and making out that they are representative of the entire group (or in this case 'groups' which have all been lumped together for their convenience). From dude-weed libertarians, to gun-nut libertarians, to foot-ball hooligans who love their national anthem, to lovers of history, to genuine fascists, nat-socs, monarchists, deus vult-ers, reactionaries and everything else - they have all been labelled as the 'alt-right' and made out to be a single force, and a threat to all society. Its retarded because none of the 'factions' have much to do with the others except for a few things (usually not wanting to be flooded with muslims/spics) - but otherwise it mischaracterises all of them.

Nonetheless it DOES define the general movement of the masses getting fed up with what the 'elite' has created for us. Every group under that "alt-right" banner has rejected the state-worshiping, entertainment overloaded, cog-in-the-machine minion life that they striven so hard to give us.

Whilst the label and everything to do with it is entirely useless to us, and whilst we certainly should not embrace it or accept any of the faggotry or idiocy of those other factions - it should be heartening to us to know that they are so afraid of the myriad groups rising up in opposition to them that they have tried to merge them all into a singular bogeyman for them to attack.

Take joy in their fear.

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I think you might be putting the cart before the horse. It's not that they just blindly mix up all kinds of various ideologies and label them alt-right as some sort of boogeyman. The "alt right" as an ecosystem does legitimately include everyone from NatSocs to NRx to monarchists and traditionalists etc etc. Before the media ever latched on to the term there was a genuine, organic movement that brought together a lot of disparate groups, whether it was gamergate Holla Forumsirgins, MRAs/PUAs, natsocs, libertarians, ancaps, and literally anyone that was willing to throw their memetic power behind fighting against leftist hegemony.

We really have absofuckinglutely no use for the term ourselves, it doesn't define us nor does it help us understand what's going on. But if you want to talk about a primarily American (with some Euro, brit, aussie, etc influence) conservative movement that eschews neoconservativism, is full of racial identity, etc that acts primarily online and uses memes and blah blah blah blah…Well that's literally us. No that doesn't make us Milo or Cernovich or who the fuck ever. That doesn't matter, they didn't make this. And no, we're not alt-right. But if there IS an alt-right, we are it.

Sure you can say, "Oh no we're not really alt-right, those guys are all faggots and posers and blah blah blah, we're actually TRVE NATIONAL SOCIALISTS"! Well guess what? The most trite media explanations of the alt-right is "it's a rehashed form of white supremacy and white nationalism and neo-nazism".

It's really fucking splitting hairs and doesn't really matter, but it's incessantly stupid that people will react to something like this buy just saying "LOL DUDE WE'RE NOT ALT RIGHT". This is just hipsterism. No, you're not "alt-right" and you don't have to start fucking men or whatever you think. Your whatever special snowflake far right ideology that you ascribe to is still intact.

The fact of the matter is though, when anyone is talking about the big, bad, dark alt-right it's not Richard Spencer they're really talking about. Not is it Milo, or Gavin, or Alex Jones.

It's us. It doesn't exist outside of us. If every Holla Forumsack died tomorrow there would be no alt-right, just a bunch of self promoting faggots.

But so it goes.

Are we too retarded to understand on our own? Go fuck yourself

This pisses me off to no end

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I'll kindly see myself out.

Well, that's 15 minutes I'm not getting back. It's a jumbled mix of insults, warnings, and the blindingly obvious.

>The Alt-Right is bad, but they have some legitimate points, but they're still bad.
>The Alt-Right is a reaction against perceived double standards and attacks on white-maleness. These are "perceived," not real, but they totally deserve them anyway!

Penetrating analysis there, Mr. PhD.

There is no alt right. It's one of these amorphous things like feminism where there are endless subsets claiming to be the true representation, while everyone outside looking in says "I don't know what this clusterfuck is, but I want nothing to do with it".

Making it far too obvious here Shlomo.
This is basically the formula used by fake nationalist shills in their videos, articles and threads.
A formulaic exploitation of emotion by posting about what is found offensive (usually themselves) again and again.
Anger and other emotions = shekels.
And there it is, like clockwork.
Here is the thing you hate, read what I wrote about it, get angry, consider me "based" for agreeing with you, visit my site, promote my site, share my site.
This is basically every "Sinead attacks White men" thread.
They create a deliberately offensive and provocative media, then post about it here pretending to be an offended viewer.
Gas yourself Sinead, your "white child" is a fucking sound sample, your real child is a mulatto.

And then 10 years on you have fag marriage, pozzing 4 fun and bathroom nonsense. Yay jews - you so clever.

tl;dr: On the contrary, I'd claim theres too many, but weak, misguided and impractical for current needs: We're facing paradox of choice - there's ton of possibilities, but all seem shitty, and the wide choice potential keeps us paralyzed waiting for something better

Here some sperging about what's possibly going on:

Humans ultimately need some ideology on individual level, to be the right cog in civilization machine. Historically, natural local culture "patriarchy", nations ("imperialism") and global religion played the part. They were rigid, ancient, set the norms and rituals, instilled order, but also worked in different world - there was no industrial revolution and a global market.

Cultural marxism wasn't that original when you think about, literally "do the opposite what Nazi says" was the starting point, later they put bunch of rationalizations around it.

There's ample evidence that Frankfurt school was just a reaction to German Reich nazism (but also stalinist communism), and nazism itself was just reaction to French revolution - the cycles can be traced many repetetions back.

Now about those cycles - there seems to be trend of shortening period, and we've reached a point where one cycle happens within a generation or two - its too fast and people are dazed because they remember how shitty the last extreme was. People still remember first wave feminism, and if that were 200 years ago, we'd switch back to pre-feminism no problem. But nowadays folks are too informed, intuitively, and people go into culturally fetal position - trusting only wealth, immediate friends and family and lose faith and loyalty into everything else.

Besides, ideologies which would undo global market capitalism are simply too extreme to work in the long run ("communism was never tried" - no, it doesnt work with global market unless you dismantle that market). Same thing unfortunately goes for protectionist nationalism, even Hitler learned the hard way.

We need something different than strong-arm ideology and our intuition to choose none of the preexisting old might be a correct one.

If you think this is not complete bollocks, next sperg might be about some highly unconventional options which would work under the constraint of global market while not depriving us of our intrinsic humanity on individual level like the current neoliberal Frankfurt "way" does.

Frankfurt school and Marxism came BEFORE Nazism. I know a lot of pagans will be ass pained by it; but the Frankfurt school and Marxism is just anti-Christian and anti-Western(Greek/Roman philosophy) in nature. Kikes have tried pushing various forms of the same thing for millenia but previously they were pogrommed, burnt by the inquisition or soundly defeated by Christian apologists.

If you want to be anal about, it went in parallel (horkheimer et al, hitler literally btfo'd em in the 30s), being contrarian to rising fascism was in fact hip topic, well, until it was all banned. The things far before that were enlightenment and liberalism, american civil war et al.

What I meant in partical and what we're dealing with today is critical theory - which was turned from pet sociological theory of the 30s into a weapon of actual Cultural Marxist doctrine, and then subsequently installed as a new social order in the span of last 40 years.

It does not matter whether there was some secret cabal or not, if one would infer from history of late stage civilization collapses thanks to excess "tolerance" in their culture, it would seem there was a zeitgeist which spread, and multiple loosely cooperating/competing cabals emerged rather than one - but of course there are quite a few central figures to it in the end - the winners during the course of its execution.

Soros is obviously one of those.

This is the biggest hurdle we have to overcome when approaching this subject - despite history and people's misgivings, Western civilization remain thoroughly classical in its logic and Christian in spirit. Neither of those things are a weakenss, but current attitudes are what are making those things weak, by removing core tenets of each element out, leaving gutted shells incapable of fulfilling the same roles as before - philosophy and logic owes itself to truth first and foremost, while faith ennobles and deifies spirit, with both demanding the courage to sacrifice one's comfortable apathy for the uncomfortable heights of achievement.

We talk too much about making a world better place, as opposed to making the society a better thing, full of people capable of taking on the world - we know universe is great, cold and uncaring, no amount of wishing will change it. Let us stop with the fallacy of fairness and equality and embrace nobility and strength as the only means for happiness, which then in turn can provide for the bounty we need.

I can't read this shitty article about shit I don't care about if you respond to every individual line like a youtuber trying to scrape together every last bit of time for ad revenue, you little autist. goddamn OP is a fag

While I don't disagree with the main thrust of what you're saying; marxism/critical theory are just new forms of an ideology that centres around the concept of 'equality'. Various ideologies dedicated to 'equality' have been pushed for many, many years; it is not something new and should not be seen as such. Heretics would distort passages of the Bible, traitors would belittle their leaders, and foreigners would offer 'freedom' so that the 'oppressed' could have 'equality' with their so-called tyrannical overlords.

The same old stuff has been being pushed for a long time, it was just previously rebuked by the intelligence of great debaters, the might of the aristocracy, the rage of the common man or the knowledge of the great apologists. Fascism/NatSoc rose BECAUSE of these equality-movements (Bolshevism particularly) because they had suddenly gained success. As you pointed out the first major success they had was the French Revolution. Where-ever you hear people talking about 'liberté, égalité, fraternité'; you can be sure the kike (or a traitor) is close behind pulling the strings. It is NOT a uniquely jewish phenomenon, it is just the best way to destroy a nation.

Good post.

Nope, completely wrong. Tribalism is politics. They are identical. You are just used to thinking of politics in the modern democratic sense, so you believe that it is a process of factions vying within the state. This is really just tribalism at a level below the state. Natsoc seeks to push the level of politics solely to what you call "foreign policy," which is actually it's proper place.

This is the same reason bashing "identity politics" is retarded. Because all politics necessarily proceeds from identifications.

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goys let's crack that consensus. Clearly this fellow user isn't a shill

Good post OP.

How do you think they will change tactics?

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The entire thread is scripted ahead of time. Vast tracts of gibberish written in advance and triggered by sockpuppet posts, "good point! Let me post 10 paragraphs of white straight from the bowels of Renegade Radio to make most I am thinking on my feet, when in fact your response was also written by me. He he he, we fake nationalists are so crafty. No one knows our tactics despite them being enumerated hundreds of times.
You ain't on Reddit now, cunt.

ITT: Low IQ posters who don't like to read long posts are shitting up the place to excuse their functional illiteracy.

I'm sorry this happened to your thread OP.

Nice alt-right you got there mates.

They won't. They're now recognizing the nature of their problem, but there is no solution. Their framework does not permit backtracking or correction. The only ones smart enough to perceive the problem are the white leftists, but those white leftists have been backed into a corner with leftist anti-white rhetoric. Any attempts by the white leftists to rectify their situation will fail because the non-white leftists, not perceiving the problem due to their low IQs, will use the anti-white rhetoric to silence the white leftists.

Of course this is fine by the jewish leftists. The jewish leftists never intended anything but extermination for the white leftists.

Essentially white leftists have willfully relinquished their position as thought-leaders of the left. The thought leaders are now shitskins, meaning the left is now being lead by people with low IQs. They are only going to start failing more and more, their problems are snowballing.

Jews are still behind the scenes pulling the strings by manipulating university administration, the media and NGO funding. But even their role as thought leaders is being diminished. The institutions they control give them more power than being mere thought leaders, they can shape narratives by censoring and signal boosting whatever they please, but they've delegated the role of thought leaders to niggers.

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Instead of going into a million details, the threat was never clear because the people who made up the vast majority of early america had never been threatened before, the time to stop it was the 1700s, not the 1800s. In the 1700s, Catholics made up barely 1% of the colonies, and most were niggers iirc, jews weren't on anyones radar who wasn't a higher up who had dealings with them.

I'm talking about existential threats here, not parasitic.

You don't convince normies, how new are you? Read books on race for what makes us different and what WILL happen if we continue down the current path, and you will see the necessity. If we can just remove them from most of europe and n. america, then we have a future. Anything less than that is very tenuous. It doesn't have to be rope-related, but when you look at the likely outcomes, it's a shitload better than us dying out.

if that's all it is, then we already lost, and might as well take some down with us.

has anyone even posted a tl;dr?

You are arguing as if all our enemies are acting on logic. As things currently stand, how do you see us surviving?

What do you think the Path of Light is?

TL;DR:
The leftist author is discussing the idea that various different groups of "right wing" people on the internet have become rhetorically effective against the left, using the left's own methods of rhetoric against them.

The "various different groups of "right wing" people" are loosely termed by the left to be the "alt right", but the leftist author acknowledges that many if not most of the people considered by the left to be "alt right" do not consider themselves to be such. For instance we at Holla Forums reject this label so hard that many lower IQ posters in this thread refuse to read OP's posts because they see the term "alt right" being used. The leftist author further acknowledges that there are countless distinct and often mutually exclusive ideologies being wrapped up under this label. Some are white nationalist, others aren't. Some are fascists, others aren't. The only thing they all have in common is being on the internet, being to the right of center, and using "shitposting" rhetoric.

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This leftist author has been reading Holla Forums for too long and is becoming frightened at our effectiveness. She finds herself being persuaded, and that scares her.

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Who is that semendemon on the right anyway? I pay little attention to the alt-right.

Put your dick away, she's just another blonde bimbo being used as a mouthpiece because so many men are stupid enough to watch her because muh dik.

Just another Megyn Kelly.

The fact people in this thread are calling Tomi Lahren and Milo "alt right" is proof this thread is filled with bored, professional D&C kikes who should be gassed.

The problem is the assertion that Holla Forums is, not that they are. Or are you one of those TRS faggots who thinks of himself as alt-right?

Also, see:

Good thread. I guess most people got scared by OP's usage of alt-right and didn't read.

Richard Spencer was Milo's Plus one to the Republican National Convention. Spencer was Milo's friend in the "An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right" Breitbart Article. The term was coined by a Jew named Paul Gottfried, Spencer being his mentor merely used it as a title for his "big tent" blog. More importantly the "Alt-right" brand was promoted by Hilary Clinton's campaign because they thought they could hurt Trumps reputation by association. Spencer also promoted Milo and it wasn't until people on Holla Forums started to scrutinize TRS did they start the staged "Alt-light" drama and start to distinguish themselves as "ethnic identitarians" in mid 2016.

I meant Spencer was Gottfried's pupil

It's not so amorphous. There is a very consistent reference, for example, to sexual egalitarianism in their criticism of traditionalist systems. Every alt-righter this a pillar of their argument against Islam.

Milo is one of the main poster boys of the alt right, wtf are you on? Tomi probably is, all I know is that she's a baby murdering modernist.

Alt-right are fake conservatives who acknowledge race realism, but are essentially anti-traditionalists. They are an obstacle to the development of American Fascism as described by George Lincoln Rockwell.

In this case both euphemisms for gay lover.

I'd say that statement is quite 𝓲𝓶𝓹𝓵𝓲𝓬𝓲𝓽. I personally wouldn't be as presumptuous, being that he just had a child. Then again i've never been to one of Spencers exclusive top dollar P.H.A.L.A.N.X. pool parties. :^)

Slow down. Spencer was an adult by then

"Modernity will not be transcended by returning to the past, but by means of certain pre-modern values in a decisively postmodern dimension."

- Alain De Benoist, manifesto for a European Renaissance

So basically