Happening in Venezuela

Venezuelan Congress Shut Down, Socialists Seize Absolute Power

Coup in Venezuela: Maduro Regime Shuts Down Legislative Power

The Human Rights Foundation (HRF) condemns the alarming decision by Venezuela’s government-controlled Supreme Court granting itself all legislative powers. Today, Venezuela’s Supreme Court has effectively shut down the democratically-elected (and opposition-controlled) National Assembly.

The ruling comes one day after the Organization of American States (OAS) held a special meeting to undertake a collective assessment on the erosion of democracy in Venezuela and its ongoing humanitarian crisis. During the OAS meeting held at the organization’s headquarters in Washington, D.C., the OAS Secretary General Luis Almagro called on the Venezuelan government to hold free and fair elections that comply with international standards. Further, Almagro called for the immediate release of all political prisoners and to return to the constitutional order under the rule of law.

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When socialism fails, we go communism son. Time to force the parasites to work the fields.

Here's the BBC:

Venezuela court takes over National Assembly functions

There has been growing criticism of Venezuela's government after the Supreme Court took over legislative powers from the National Assembly.

"The decision has dealt the final blow to democracy in the country," said the Organisation of American States.

The court ruled that the assembly was in contempt and said it would exercise congressional functions.

The charge stems from alleged electoral irregularities by three opposition lawmakers in elections in 2015.

The head of the OAS Luis Almagro accused President Nicolas Maduro's government of carrying out what he described as a "coup".

Brazil's foreign ministry said the court's decision violated the country's separation of powers.

Several other Latin American countries expressed concern too.

Peru recalled its ambassador to Caracas, saying there had been a rupture of democracy.

The United States also condemned Venezuela's government.

"This rupture of democratic and constitutional norms greatly damages Venezuela's democratic institutions," said a State Department spokesman, Mark Toner.

Venezuela's opposition had earlier said President Maduro was becoming a dictator.

Venezuela's foreign ministry accused critics of the government of forming a right-wing regional pact against President Maduro.

He says the OAS is a pawn of US "imperialism".

bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39449494

Its weird that every time they try that they stop producing any food.

But wait. I thought venezuela wasn't real socialism?

Deputized Negroes of the Humans Relation Council are taking people in for "questioning."

I still can't get my head around how Venezuela fucked up this badly even with oil. I'd kind of imagine ZOG is involved on some level but Chavez is dead, and if anything the current minions of ZOG like venezulea better than their own nation.

you can't expect competence from the genetic disaster that populates that continent.

Soon we'll be able to use Venezuela as an example for another failed communist country, and i'll bet they'll say: "That's not reeaaaaal communism" kek

Another fine day in goon utopia

All those fucking nations are run by Whites behind the scenes. They have best lives since the Jews never really got their tentacles fully around most of South America.

They already are saying that.

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Oh look at the peaceful transfer of power to the proletariat guys. Now we're seeing true communism. That previous system that brought the country down was crony communism. kek

this

You're going to see some real socialism now.

Well when a population of low IQ mongrels get their hands on a jewish ideology, bad things start to happen.

go to wikipedia and look at a list of every president in Venezuela's history and you'll notice after 1945 their cheeks get poofier and their noses get larger. It was most definitely ZOG taking out an easy target.

Surely this will fix things.

There is no such thing as (((real socialism))) because (((real socialism))) is based around some utopian fantasy naively centered around the absence of chaos. If a system cannot stand up to the chaos it seeks to prevent, or worse, spreads more chaos then it is clearly an inferior system.

THIS IS WHAT REAL SOCIALISM LOOKS LIKE

don't tell Holla Forums that, you will make their brains explode.

Do you think the average shitlib could find Venezuela on a map; name its sitting president; or its chief export?

Venezuela literally does not export anything anymore. Not even oil. They are unbelievably fucked.

Looks like more people will be using rare Pepes.

Why doesn't Trump just invade and take anything of worth and put the rest into slavery? The chinks eventually will anyway, might as well beat them to it.

It's not even just the oil. They live in a warm weather country in the New World. Even if you're fucking poor as shit, you shouldn't be starving.

In socialism, a farmer is taxed exorbitantly. In the EU, they offset this thievery by subsidizing farmers. This is why the system hasn't collapsed in EU yet. They tried to cut the subsidizes, e.g legitimizing their thievery and the farmers from the BeNeLux & German/France area shut down western Europe with highway blockades.

In Venezuela, the farmers just walked off, sold their land or stopped producing because why produce something when you are stolen by. As a result, the socialist government started to force the people who weren't a member of the socialist party but were receiving government handouts to work in the fields for their basic sustenance they got. Off course a parasite isn't going to feed other parasites, so they have to use death threats and force to get their way. This has negative effects long term, since even these forced farming parasites will undercut and steal crops that they grow for the 'community' for personal gain.

The farmers that do still grow crops, skimmed TONS of produce from their crops and didn't list them as crops thus avoiding taxation. They sold their crops in the black market or started goods trading with other people completely negating the useless currency.

To make something out of oil, a country must use it to create something and/or sell it to other countries. These mongrels just sat on it waiting for some bolivarian gommunism miracle to happen. At this point I have no mercy for these cucks.

Let's not forget the racial component here. The average Venezuelan IQ is around 83-84. They are on the level of niggers. So, what can you expect to happen? What kind of society are they going to be able to maintain? We can talk about economic theory all day, but does it even matter in this case?

Socialism is shit, but these people lack the intelligence to understand the most basic principles of economics. They literally have the mental capacity of children. Even if you could indoctrinate them all with free market principles from birth, they would eventually break away from them. People of low intelligence are too attracted to instant gratification and promises of free stuff.

Lots of jewish engineering was needed in the rise of Bolshevism, but third world socialist shitholes are easy. They just need a tiny push. We've seen this all throughout South America. And they will do the same thing to us in Europe and the US, if they can breed whites out of the way. And unlike with the USSR, this time they will never lose their grip. Looking at Venezuela, you are looking into our potential future, if we dont stop it. That is the takeaway here.

these dipshits can't even feed their people because they fucked over farmers when they had the option of just leaving. what can they possibly do to unfuck their shit?

Libshits have already memory hole-d Venezuela and are now praising Sweden as the new example of how socialism can totally work.

What is it with commies and their hatred of farmers? Every single time, the first thing they do is start fucking with the farmers.
"Hey, you know the guys who produce all the food? How about we just fuck their shit up."
Brilliant

cheap dollars when there were plenty of dollars to nurture importing rather than producing and inflating the prices of what you are buying for easy money(ofc, it was the government who decided who got dollars), then tell the producers at what price they have to sell their product and of course make it almost impossible to get spare parts and materials to produce because they have to go through bureaucracy because they need dollars to get those

I just can't believe the Jew hasn't showed up yet, wearing his oil worker helmet and with a gaggle of paki slaves to take it. Texas oil manages to keep Jews out too. Strange how the Jews can't seem to monetize oil. Like a parasite that can't do anything productive.

I vaguely recall seeing one of the kennedy cuckolds on Electric Jew announcing free heating oil for niggers in US from venezuela. Bet they wish they had those shekels back.

Ideologicaly, because farmers are the most productive members of society, the complete opposite of leftist intellectuals. It i a paradox, the farmer is usualy subpar on IQ but is leagues more valuable than any left-wing ideologue, thus they resent them. Leftist ideology is based on being jealous of people who work harder than you. Leftist intellectuals are entirely nihilistic and immoral, while farmers are family oriented hard-working individuals, thus they are polar opposites. Leftists try to justify their lazyness and immorality by provoking good people into violence or misery so that they can say "see these people are worse than me!". It is a pathological form of behavior based on jealousy, a mental illnes solely based on ruining others lives to make themselves feel less miserable in an abusive and predatory manner.

But sweden has massive problems to.

that was called joe 4 oil, it was just a propaganda move, and this year they are giving nothing because we are in deep shit. no mo' money for propaganda

They need productive workers to do the dirty work.

Problems which they are very keen on ignoring.
"Literally nothing is happening in Sweden, guys. Drumpf is crazy"
But once Sweden slips into becoming an outright caliphate, you can expect a total media blackout. Sweden will go down the memory hole.

It was pathetic and showed what hookers the kennedys really are. Are you in Ven? There used to be a few flags (maybe VPN) on cuckchan a while ago begging for shekels. I fucking hate google maps or else more anons could upload anonymous pics.

Example: see "south africa." When I was young it was on every front page. Now that it's gone to complete hell, zim. 2.0 they won't pick up a single story.

Isn't Spreading Chaos Good?

1) Enact central planning. Obvious things tacked and seen successes, unintended consequences unapparent.
2) The Great Plan goes along smoothly at least for those politically connected.
3) Unintended consequences start to pile up. Failure baked in the cake like Venezuela directly hiring 2/3rds of the population (yes, this did happen).
4) Problems start to show up in daily life requiring more 'regulation' in order to 'fix' them. This works temporarily.
5) Other shortages happen and are blamed on producers. More regulation like disallowing bakers to make brownies and focus on rationed food items (this is current law in Venezuela). Nepotism runs rampant as merit is basically outlawed.
6) One-dimensional economy fails to export enough goods to maintain value of currency. People completely dependent on imports because the local economy isn't diverse. Medicine is scarce, followed by fuel then eventually basic food items. People literally dumpster diving to feed crying children. Rest of world blamed for callousness (we are here)
7) Central planning clearly doesn't have control over the entire economy (to fix it) so the last vestiges of freedom must be stamped out. Mass starvation and anarchy ensues.
8) Socialist elite in 1st world counties blame capitalism and suck more Marxist cock. We learn NOTHING!

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Why are they wearing mason colors?

Never fucking ends

wat

#notrealcommunism

I sense a trend…

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I don't know about that tbh. Maybe in spic shitholes but middle America is filled with pretty intelligent dudes. Maybe they don't read philosophical treaties in their spare time, but that's not due to a lack of intelligence.

Oh boy here we go,,,

There are different kinds of intelligence, but i general, rural individuals are usual less intellectualy capable than metropolitans. That dosen't mean they are stupid, just that they lack a broader perspective of information to be more coherent or philosophicaly minded. Intelligence however is not to be confused with wisdom wich stems from counciousness, rural individuals have a lot more wisdom and practical knowledge, while urbanites are incredibly lacking in wisdom and and other virtues, wich leads to reach abstract and confusing conclusion, when you add a much broader sect of available conflicting information to individuals with low wisdom they are also much more likely to make bad decisions and terrible choices. Overly complicated ideas are self-defeating when there are already much more simple ideas that can fill the role. (IE: "If reality is false, there is no point in working to buy food!" in contrast with "If i work today i will have food tomorrow, thats simply the way things are!"). One idea is more sophisticated but can ultimately lead to your own destruction and inertia, while the other is simple, but benefitial in both short and long-term.

simple =/= stupid
the same as
well spoken =/= intelligent - sargon of cuckolding is a perfect example of this

My pop was not schooled was a woodchopper and spent his life on the land. He may not have been smart by libshit definitions but the man could fix anything (literally ANYTHING), knew how to work his land and cattle and raised his family the right way. He had a respect for nature that he relayed down to the grandchildren and even when slaughtering an animal he would be sure we were respectful and understood why this was being done.

He was a very intelligent man, just not by the institutionalised education standard which would see him an a simple idiot.
He also taught me some swear words that I didn't even know existed thanks to errant swings with tools.

This is a good example of what i'am saying. Intelligence is also not a universal concept. Suppose you have 200 IQ but lack any info on how to fix an engine. In such a situation a 100 IQ mechanic is more intelligent than a 200 IQ philosopher. It isin't so much as intelligence as much as an "Illusion of intelligence". Liberals suffer heavily from this, couple with confirmation bias provided by the mass histeria provided by their surroundings in say, universities. This is where the "I will fix the entire world with communism!" mindset first appeared.

Well I can guarantee it didn't start off with the farmers who got fucked the hardest. I grew up in farming country and never met a proponent of communism until I moved near a city. I had read about it, had heard pop talk about fighting commies in the war, heard him and other farmers speak of the red menace but I never fathomed that after the atrocities committed, anyone could still support it. It was quite the shock to a 15year old who hadn't been fed heaping bowls of kike propaganda and got me in quite a bit of trouble when I started questioning teachers who had no idea how to answer or had ever had to answer someone showing independent thought, and this was around 20 years ago. I shudder to think of the bullshit that kids have to put up with now and being so many of them are bought up, disconnected from their people, their land and their heritage it's no wonder they have a hard time distinguishing reality from fiction. Then there’s common core, the intentional stupifying of children into good little goys who can do nothing but pull the lever when the light goes on (and half of them fuck that up).

Finally, I want to know at what point words became more dense than sticks and stones and were attributed to more broken bones. I'm yet to see someone bleeding out on the ground because they were called a cunt.

/rantyreply
it's been a long week filled with fuckwits and faggots.

Without chaos there can be no will to improve or overcome. A system like the one those naive land whales want only makes people lazy and dependent. A life without struggle only encourages weakness.

Daily reminder that girls doing several dozen men in every way imaginable and getting drenched in cum on cameras for a roll of toilet paper or a bag of potatoes is now an actual porn genre in Venezuela.
It's a shame comrade Boynie never became the president so we too could experience true socialism like those lucky individuals.

How long until we can fly Hind helis and shoot mutants in Venezuela?

Picked up a cutie from Venezuela just the other night out drinking with her equally cute friend. First time in my life I ever used my extensive knowledge of international geopolitics to pick up a girl lol.

Anyways, she said when she was there three years ago they used to just pay off the cops when they were caught doing something illegal it was so corrupt. Haven't met someone who legitimately hated commies more since this fella I served with who was the son of Romanian refugees.

I feel like now would be a good time for Trump to use Little Marco to his advantage to weaken the Democrats with some good old fashioned anti-communist rhetoric.

Putting rap over political videos just makes it hard to understand.
DAILY REMINDER THAT IF RAP DOESN'T GIVE YOU A HEADACHE AS A WHITE MAN, YOU ARE UNDER CONTROL

Hopefully soon.
Just put a white European in charge and be done with it.

Violent revolution:

Peaceful protest:

"DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED" - George Washington

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What is wrong with them?

It's the ancient jewish hatred of land owners and producers.

Farmers are the, or were, the footmen of old medieval lords. They owned the land and land was power. Jews changed the world from a land based system of power to their ethereal entirely currency based system of power.

Their contempt for land and it's owners comes from their sense of superiority, their detachment from the material reality of our world.

Notice how no one can actually grasp true socialism apart from the blessed faggot leftist hipsters whose mystic nuance allows them to pierce the veil and truly see the nature of things.

Incorrect. You make the error of conflating knowledge with intelligence when these are almost orthogonal concepts. Had you used a term like the mechanic is more "useful" or "contributes more" in this scenario I would have agreed.

Think of it this way:
knowledge == acquired information
intelligence == ability to acquire/process/apply information
wisdom == applying good judgement to intelligence & knowledge

The amount of knowledge required in the vast amount of fields you need to successfully run a farm capable of mass production is magnitudes higher in both volume and density to anything a pretentious libshit parrots on twitter and facebook.
When a liberal calls someone dumb, they mean "they didn't get indoctrinated like me"

Socialism: Economic mode of production where workers own the "means of production"
Venezuela: Semi-Planned economy where ignorant shitskin bureaucrats squandered the world's largest oil reserves on gibsmedat
Venezuela is just your typical late-stage welfare state where whites have been diluted into non-existence.

Socialism is not the same as gibsmedat
Go ahead, call me an autist.

It's just shitskins being shitskins. Notice how places like Norway are still standing but countries like Venezuela can't wheather a brief downturn.

Communism is still a retarded idea though

Funny how them pesky bureaucrats always manage to mess up true socialism.

It's the natural conclusion of communism.

Nationalists can learn from jewish communists in that respect. Democracy is a sham and it always will be.

It wasn't socialism to begin with. "Socialism" has become synonymous with gibsmedat.
It's the sort of newspeak kikes have been pushing everywhere.
Whatever form of mainstream economics you support, it always ends with more immigration, more shitskins, more money for "dem programs", outsourcing and tax cuts for (((multinatationals.)))

In Venezuela's case, instead of spending the money on infrastructure and diversifying their economy, they wasted it on gibsmedat and buying elections. They "nationalized" the energy sector (giving it political allies, who put the money in foreign accounts) and robbed small businesses, and then called it "socialism." To the delight of the shitskin masses who were now paid even more generously to squeeze out the remaining whites.

In reality, truly free markets have disappeared since the 19th century, and true socialist experiments (not welfare for niggers or handing over everything to jewish commissars) have been far an inbetween . Everything these day's is subservient to jewish capital. And it has been since the 1940s

He wasn't talking about Venezuela specifically. If anything, he was referring to socialism's uncanny ability to be subverted into "state capitalism" by a bureaucrat class who then use it as a cover to enrich themselves, just like it happened in the Soviet Union, China, or elsewhere really.

I guess we PepeCash now…

Can't wait until they replace their currency…

Atlas is shrugging, lads

Thank you. It is so difficult to explain these concepts to people and to have them stick.

because communism and judaism are all inherently judaic

Using this example we can take a look at liberals as being both poorly educated thus suffering from the so called 'i am an expert bias' because they don't know what they don't know and because they are inherently unintelligent they cannot fully comprehend what they learn hence they can also be unintelligent and both unknowledgeable.

Yet another example of "not REAL Communism". Thanks lefties.

Anyways. Big question: "Why do this if the oppo leaders are cucks?". Well, the oppo leaders were kinda pissed because they had to pretty much run themselves ragged to validate themselves to the Election Council (also chavista owned) by gathering signatures aka a massive act of cucking. So, they refused to sign the National Budget and the many special credits to the budget.

Since no decent country or private entity or owner of Venezuelan debt will take a cent of money without the approval of the Venezuelan Legislative Branch since Maduro and the Supreme Court saying "fuck you, WE CONGRESS NOW" and signing the budget themselves is ultra fucking illegal and their Judicial Branches will lit anybody that dares, Maduro pretty much fucked up.

And now our Attourney General, another chavista stooge, pretty much said "yes, this is a breach of Constitutional order" (like she cares for any other reason than to save her ass). So, fun times so far.

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similar thing will happen in mexico. mexicans are already preparing for it:
actually the communist revolution begins next year so they are already preparing for it
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Chavez became popular after a failed coup'd'tat prompted by the economic collapse the country suffered in 1983.
He then went full populist and nationalist and won in 1998.
He slowly began taking over all power behind the scenes and pruged the military in 2002.
Then the goverment spent the following years killing the national industry, making us relly on imports, with the low oil prices, we no longer had enough money to import shit, so all this collapse happened.

They are saying it already.

How about you fuckers try to do some research before spewing bullshit?
Venezuela was a pretty allright developing country for most of the 20th century, even in the early 2000's it was still allright.

The cineseand russians already own our asses, youre late t the party.

No, in venezuela, farmers had their lands and properties seized by the goverment, who then proceeded to do nothing at all with the lands, now all of that fertile land is just sitting there,producing nothing but wild plants.

That second picture is from peru.

Pretty much.

It is not though, where did you get that from?

Most people in here will be redpilled by the end of this, noone wants any more leftist propaganda.

We were dissarmed long ago and the armed forces were purged.

Imagine if the brits tried such a process on the colonies. I wonder how they'd respond?

Back then you could just your weapons in the barn, nowadays you need to register your weapons and such.
My uncle used to be a detective for the police of caracas in the 70s, in the late 2000's he was called to inspection and he had to bring his weapons, they took 2 handguns anda shotgun, he could only hide his old holdout revolver.

Then you best get some, or make some. Life as a slave is no life at all.

Grenada time.

Ill be leaving the country this year anyways, ive been since 2013 waiting for something to happen and refused to leave my country, now i cant even feed my family.

Imagine if the brits tried such a process on the colonies. I wonder how they'd respond?

Are you implying you dont need to register your weapons right now in the united states?
Besides, our independence war was longer and bloodier than that of the united states.

You best not be coming here. We're full.

Nah, im coming back to the lands of my grandparents in spain.

This is the part where you start pretending to be smug like the little spic rat you are when I call you a coward and demand you fight for your land back, or else you won't have any. Isn't it, refugee?

Spics are lazy and deranged. What else is new?

REKT

I spent since 2013 in protests, organization of people and doing everything i could, now i dont even have food for a week, so excuse for wanting to have a future.
Youre such a tryhard.
You realize that unlike the united states, we actually went and kicked our formal colonial overlords out of the continent?
We fought and indebted our asses al lthe way fro mthe caribbean to bolivia.

Make Spain great again user

Well obviously you didn't do enough.

I hope too, atleast there i still have a chance to do something against commies.

But we did though, the only spanish holding in the continent after that was puerto rico and cuba.
How did the war of 1812 go for the united states?

Get out. Don't let Spain make the same mistakes. Venezuela is gone. Their only merit will come when they collapse (further) and show the world how socialism works.

My grat grandparent fought in two wars for spain and he fought against communism in the civil war, i hope i can do everything i can to stop podemos from taking spain.

That's like a Burger moving to Britain because of Obams. They're fucked much in the same way. A philosemitic police state. Bad idea. You'd get much more out of fighting for the new lands.

That's not a real revolution.
A spic putting "try" and "hard" together as an insult. Really living up to the stereotypes.

The world already has plenty of examples of how Communism "works." They're just censored or downplayed by the left.

Atleast there i can work and buy my own stuff.
Sorry for wanting to eat.
What do you expect me to do then?
Pull a FN FAL out of my ass and kill commies with moonman playing in the distance?

Confirmed larper

Yet you still won't show any resistance with anything more than a piece of paper with your name on it. Pathetic mammal.
Now the south-of-the-border specimen "doesn't know what to do". I don't think you can be anymore typical of your kind.

I almost got shot while throwing molotov coctels at the national guard in caracas back in 2014.
But go ahead, keep mentally masturbating yourself.

Actually the US defeated the Brits at the height of their power.

Spic countries defeated Spain, a dwindling power by then, only after Napoleon invaded Spain forcing them to fight a war in two fronts. i.e. at Spain's weakest point in history.

Beginning to agree with the other guy. I think you may be exaggerating. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here complaining.

We didnt have the french and spaniards by our side.

Its not like you cant survive such things, only 43 people died in the prostests of 2014, and now theres nothing happening at all anywhere.

I've been thinking a lot about his move by the government. I believe that it was made with the intention to backfire, now the-up until now- sock puppet known as the general attorney denounces this 'proving' power separation, and launches an 'investigation' (this still hasn't happened) to stall everything. The government made have also done this to strike a deal with the opposition, so they sign the economic laws they want passed to return a little power to them, the government needs cash, and the government might try to do without congress to get some new loans, but who the fuck is going to pick that shit?. So the intention is to stall OAS and try to get more loans.

If anyone has another hypothesis to share about the matter, please do so.

Holy shit! I'll have to remember that one. You should be a comedian.

I think they tried to pass the bullshit but someone from backstage made them back down with some kid of threat.

It's simply a Communist power grab. Helicopter the lot of them I say.

Yet even then, the Americans were facing total annihilation at the hands of the crown, and you know what your kin have that they don't? Spite. Liberty or Death, yet you will definitely fear the latter choice.

The Spanish colonies in South America declared independence immediately after Napoleon invaded Spain.

But even with Spain fighting for its own survival at home, the South Americans were unable to decisively defeat the Spanish. That's why the whole wars of independence took forever.

It wasn't until Bolivar decided to hire British mercenaries to do the fighting than they beat Spain.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Legions

Then traitors decided they didn't like Bolivar anymore and split off your shitty country from Colombia.

Don't they teach you these things in your socialist indoctrination centre?

I don't know, man, when OAS was already on their ass for being undemocratic? the congress was already powerless as pretty much everything they passed was nullified by them, there was more to lose than to gain (assuming their intention was to actually take over congress), unless they are seriously need some cash fast, but there are no elections nearby and the bonds that weren't paid were moved to 2020(as far as I remember), or they might have some other creditor I'm ignoring.

Any captured patriot or royalist was shot or hanged, the royalists even had an army that would loot, pillage, rape and kill all patriot territory, we lost 60% of our population in that war.
You should try to look into the shit you want to talk about.

Holy fuck user, tyoure so wrong in so many ways.
First of all, venezuela didnt declare its independence at that moment, it declared its loyalty to the spanish crown and told the french to eat a dick, things escalated from there because fernando VII was an imbecile that did not know how to manage the colonies.
But thats bullshit, he used the british legions as shocktroops, but by the time they got into action, spain had already lost colombia and most of venezuela.
We formed the grand colombia, and we split from it because people hated the fact that after the country had fought so much, someone from colombia would now rule them.
You should stop trying to give history make up in order to fit your interests.

There was supposed to be elections of governors some mnoths agon, but the goverment banned them.

What title is that semen demon from?

yes and they are still banned, they even delayed the shit used to delay everything: the revalidation of parties. It's clear they don't want elections at all

The one going on right now? The one you have your spite in? The one which you refuse to give up?

No, the independence war.
There is no war going on right now.
You cant have a war when people are unarmed and the armed forces are on the goverment's side because they were purged and infiltrated.

Nothing you said is true.

The British Legions participated in every major battle in the independence wars of the New Granada and are the responsible for victory. Bolivar himself acknowledged this fact and was quite fond of them.

Before the arrival of the British Legions the independentists had won nothing. The battles won by the British Legions were the Vargas Swamp, Boyaca, Carabobo and Pichincha. Ever heard of them? You should have, because those were the ones that actually mattered and sent the Spanish back home.

And there was never a country called "Great Colombia", that's a completely made up term. The Viceroyalty of New Granada was renamed Colombia by Bolivar after independence. Then Bolivar's enemies decided to split off and form Venezuela.

I bet you also believe Bolivar was a socialist.

Yet you flee the ship like a rat, rather than accept death, all so you can eat, and live. There was no nation within you, to begin in. Niglets have waged war at younger ages. All you are is a socialist drone breaking back to it's natural programming.

But thats bullshit, not only did they not come until the late part of the war in venezuela, but they werent the most relevant units, those would be the llanero lancers.
But thats bullshit, caracas had been claimed, so was valencia, la victoria and many other places.
Thats the current name used to not confuse the name of colombia with the old colombia, so stop implying implications.
The main motivation was venezuelan butthurt about being ruled by people from new granada when in their eyes, venezuelans had won the war.
The movement of the cosiata was a thing, but it was not what cathered the popular acceptance.
Keep implying implications because i wont let you imply that the independence war was not won by the british.

So yeah, i just die together with my family just because you think that wars can be waged with no weaponry, great.

Reminder that the Berncuck said that Venezuela was a model for success for the US. Don't let libshits forget this.

You have access to the internet for information and you can't even make some improvised shit like a bunch of rejects in the middle east did to fight off well-armed troops? Yes, they also had clandestine funding from various groups to increase their effectiveness, but the will to fight for something was still there.
You have no will to fight for something you believe in, therefore you have nothing. Violent revolution may not even be the best way, but for God's sake, do something for yourself and your people besides flee.

he also supported the sandinistas. bern is cancer, the dems had no good candidate

are they Socialists or National Socialists?
is this good or bad?

Now you are claiming the Battle of Carabobo was not THE battle that won your independence.

Tell me again, what do you celebrate every June 24?

Not that it matters really, since the Brits had already defeated the Spanish in Boyaca, and thus liberated the capital of the Viceroyalty. The Spanish were already retreating by the time.


Like that rascal Simon Bolivar, born in Bogota.

No wait, wasn't he from Caracas?


Finally something we can agree on.

Again, no race, no nation, no life worth living.

1 and 2. vp was accused by usa of drug trafficking and selling venezuelan passports to muslims (I'm not sure about the latter but the former doesn't surprise me at all).

they are socialists that have used populism and blackmailing to slowly gain more and more power, controlling a lot of the media and without power separation(the only exception being the opposition controlled congress which actually got more votes than the president)

So are you just going to ignore everything we did in the 2014 nd how everyone was calling us terrorists and fascists?

dont you get tired of lying?
It was the one that finished it, since those were the last significant forces of royalists in venezuelans.
And they were part of it, not the force that won it or the ones that lead it, they were used as shock troops amongst venezuelan infantry.
What a fucking liar you are.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Boyacá
It was led by venezuelans and fought by the venezuelan and colombian troops that crossed the andes.
Yeah, lets pretend the colombian politicians werent using preassure, lets pretend santander wasnt around.

Good, youre just a shitposter.
I wont let my family starve to death, my dad already left the country, i wont let my mother and sister starve or get killed because of hubris.

So you get your cowardice from your father, then. If your any little worth of a man, the least you could do is ensure your sister flees next, since it appears your father didn't give two shits about your mom.

Ill bite your bait once more just to say, organized people dont leave all at once, starting all over in a new place isnt easy with a full family, someone has to go first to get a job and somewhere to live.

I wasn't ignoring 2014, merely addressing your statements at present. Send your mother and sister to be with your father and then show them how much you truly love them by working to give them their home back. If you truly stood for something in 2014 then your legs and spine will carry you again as long as you demand it of them.

No shit, but any man worth their test will be sure to guide their womenfolk first. Of course I don't expect your kind to be smart enough so as to organise a welcome party of the sorts, but the least you could do is show some semblance of actual civility.

Oh darn, people didnt make their government how everyone else wanted them to.

Honestly democracy is a fucking joke. So is communism but honly fuck im tired of 99% of people being fucking retarded at the 1% trying to actually fix things but cant due to the 99%.

that would only work if the women had some way to support themselves. Like if they came out with a job offer, otherwise they'd be needlessly struggling, specially without their family

Even my contact in the army had to flee the country after a murder attempt, if we were now to do the same shit we did in 2014 on my city, we wouldnt last a week because we dont even have supplies to last for a week.

Normal people dont send women to beg and live in the streets, i stayed to protect them and provide for the household while my father secured things in spain, now that things are settled, we will be leavign in 2 months.
But go ahead, keep shutting your head up your ass and pretend life is a fairy tale.

Empty, unworked land outside of the city would make a lovely place to forage. Forests would serve that purpose well, too. Also view the opponent's supplies as your own. The other guy just makes it difficult to get what's yours.

Boyaca won by Venezuelans? lol, wtf

Bolivar was, by some definitions, Venezuelan, so I grant you that it was led by one, but the troops were the exact same ones he had from the earlier Vargas Swamp battle:


Not to discount the role that local troops had, but it's somewhat interesting the arrival of the British coincides with a string of victories that finally made a difference in what was a protracted series of wars.


But it's you who is pretending he wasn't around. He was at Boyaca too, fighting side by side with Bolivar, they were best pals back then, you know?

(and yes, I know he became a traitor and tried to kill Bolivar later, but at least he didn't split off half of the country to start a new one like Paez and the other traitors)

I like how liberals have been able to memoryhole their support for Chavez/Maduro.

I remember during the times of George W. Bush, there were a lot of mainstream liberals in journalism and celebrities that supported Chavez openly.

I live in the tropics, the only forage ive found thus far are river crabs (wich are tiny), avocados and bananas.

First of all.
Second, the majority of the troops were always venezuelan, the british troops were never the majority of any army, and again, they were shock troops.
Third, it was no coincidence and it had nothing to do with the arrival of the british auxiliaries, the success was due to the alliance with the lancers of the llanos and the unifications of the war efforts as different generals finally accepted bolivar's leadership.
Back then, not when the war was over and everyone was plotting to grap power and fuck over the project of the grand colombia.
And he did take over new granada, our are you just going to ignore that?
The grand colombia was doomed with the murder of sucre, since he was pretty much bolivar's heir.

They are now pretending it never happened and that venezuela was always shit.

Excuses don't make a nation. Government doesn't make the nation. Borders don't make the nation. Armies don't make the nation. The will of the people is the root of any nation and yours doesn't seem to have any left. Good luck in your travels, user. Enjoy being a rootless cosmopolitan I guess.

Its true, weve been broken, ive never said otherwise.
Thats why people are fleeing at this point, the only people capable of taking out the goverment shoot at us and gets paid by the goverment instead.
People are just tired.

The military has to intervene now but I doubt they will. Their stomachs are still full for now.

I grabbed that from wikipedia.

You know how you always find your keys in the last place you search for them? It's because once you find them you stop looking.

Yes, the locals fought for years and went nowhere. Finally Bolivar has the brilliant idea of hiring British mercenaries to get the job done and the tide turns and victory after victory is secured. War ends.

Pure coincidence.

Yes, they were never the majority of the troops. No war is won with the majority of troops, but with its best units. The rest is cannon fodder.

You also seem to be confused about the flow of the war. The center of the Viceroyalty, i.e. what today is Colombia, gained its independence first, the battle of Carabobo took place two years after Boyaca. The capital and all main cities were no longer under Spanish control. Bolivar, with his British mercs, chased the Spanish to Venezuela, where they still had control over some areas, and decisively kicked them out.


Bolivar decided to keep battling the Spanish down South and made him President of Colombia. He would later rule again after Bolivar's death and long after Venezuela's secession. Is that taking over?

there's a reason maduro let the military in charge of food distribution

Dutch Disease, relied too much on oil and oil profit, now theres no middle class to pay the taxes after the oil prices dropped.

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