Need help Holla Forums: are birth control pills bad for women?

Yes, birth control works by emulating pregnancy in a woman's body. The pill removes the desire to have children and the maternal instinct and also modifies a woman's endocrine system to change the type of men she is attracted to. There is a well known phenomenon where women who met their boyfriends while on the pill stop being sexually attracted to them after going off of it. Giving her the pill is probably the worst thing you could do at this point, but if you want to go in raw IUDs are effective contraception that do not disrupt her endocrine systems or brain.

no thats total bullshit. when you are in a relationship you dont have to compete anymore. dont believe all the lies women tell you

Are the effects permanent? Will there be lasting effects that will never truly go away, even after stopping?

Idk what do you think

They can lower testosterone in the body, resulting in less body fat being burned and muscle being made.

Depends on the woman, and how long she's been on them.

Birth control effects their cognitive state.

Yes.
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Wife was on them since an early age to "control" heavy menstruation and pain as recommended by her doctor. She's got the sex-drive of a dead wallaby. She enjoys it when we have it, but she doesn't actually feel like it most of the time, and it's only gotten worse as time has progressed. Now I'm keeping a weather-eye on things to make sure this fiasco isn't repeated with our daughter.

I can only speak with personal experience, but I've noticed that with women who take them tend to become more… I don't know, sort of cold (I don't mean physically). I remember that shortly after my ex started taking them, it wasn't long until it was like a flip switched with her and she was less affectionate, less motivated, more irritable, lazier, etc. Now to be fair, I'm sure that a lot of that had to do with just natural hormonal changes due to being younger, but it always seemed strange that the biggest shift seemed to happen not long after getting on the pill.

It depends a lot on each individual. Since pills are simply low hormonal doses, I could draw a comparison with men who take anabolic steroids. Even when they quit for good, it messes with their psyche a little bit. Think of it like a curve that slopes a lot in the early years, but takes more years to completely wear off. All hormonal cycling does is alter your body's own capability of producing them. Though birth control is a very low dose, it can become quite a problem the longer a woman does it.

As I said before, it's much less of an issue if the woman in question is healthy, and exercises herself. Make sure you and your partner are eating healthy (don't buy into the veganism crap; it makes it worse), exercising and doing anything that makes you guys happy, and it slowly goes away.

As other user said already, it also helps if she gets pregnant.

dropp pilla og lag unger. eventuellt p-ring, føkker bare med livmora lokalt. men Buskerud trenger mange barn sånn at jødene ikke tvinger negre inn hit

this is a gud post

user would you take a pill that temporarily made you sterile?

Forstått. Siden det er en gård så vil vi vel trenge minst 4 barn. Håper på fler da.

As I said before, it's much less of an issue if the woman in question is healthy, and exercises herself.
This is something I need to get her into. She isn't fat, still curvy. But it could be better.

She is very eager to have kids. Maybe I can use this desire to make her train more. Since a healthy body means healthy offspring as you said.

When you word it like that, no.

Either marry a white woman and have a family or stick to nofap.

You really aren't aware of the tenets of this board, are you?

Impregnate her now, then have her train before the baby starts to show.

user, please. Pills are bad, but having kids when you can't run a home is thousands of times worse.

Welp, get ready for a rough ride into the birthcontrollercoaster.

I'd rather have two willing soldiers from the same family than ten blue-pilled larp'ers.

This is the kike bullshit destroying our race.

YOU WILL NEVER BE BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMETHING ELSE DRAINING YOUR MONEY
MONEY MEANS NOTHING - YOUR CHILDREN MEAN EVERYTHING
WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN SINCE THE FUCKING STONE AGE

She is more like type 5.
I know /fit/ has more detailed charts than this.

it fucks with their brain and long term use can cause varying degrees of dementia

Whites don't get babby gibs like Niggers and Muslims does. Just a reminder.

We actually do. Most of us are just too proud to apply for them.

Aside from its effects on physiology, it also removes responsibility from men and women, making actions and relationships between them more fleeting. Over time this conditions people to treat sexuality as a passive hobby without consequence beyond raw pleasure (which tends to fade away because of the lack of intimate connection between partners). Porn has a similar effect and is a surrogate activity for prostitution; you fuck a different woman every night, internally, vicariously, like a whore.

These things are all weapons. I would not have women use the pill, at least in its current form. If its effect were to wash away completely soon after use it may be useful but that isn't the case, instead it appears to be cumulative. In the end its unnatural to try and prevent birth when the body is ready for it. We ought to study "safe days" more closely, since nature gives people times during the month where an artificial contraceptive is unnecessary.

See, OP? You need to outplay the jews in their own game. Make a budget for you, once you can afford a home, doesnt matter where, what job, or how, then set with your GF to have a baby. It's going to payoff a thousand times.

Schlomo here is trying to equate "having children when financially stable = not having babies". Well then, how about you have one kid while not financially stable, and go through all the hassles, then regretting later on your decision of not having him/her in a better situation.

Your family needs individuals who can be responsible. Responsability also means taking the right move at the right time. Money is important when it dictates where, how and with who you live, study and work.

Her being that 5 means she has work to do to reach 4, then 3, then 2, and she's one step from 6. This is bad. Your priority should be first getting you and her into better health, then better financial position to save up a little for a baby, then propagating your genes and teaching little user on how to gas the jews..

While theres nothing wrong with the pill in of itself, the lowered birthrates are killing us. I think the behavior issues are more (((conditioning))), than from the pill.

just do what others have said. Make some babies, dont have to worry bout the side effects of the pills and you dont have to wear those stupid wrappers

Didn't white people originally invent the pill to limit the population of undesirables?

No, he's saying that you're never going to be "financially stable". Everyone is waiting to be "financially stable" and if you keep on waiting until that day, you're never going to have children.

Did you read the rest of the thread?

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This. Not OPs problem, but more often it's the other way around. Loyal beta mans up and takes on a 35 y.o. with baby rabies, she stops taking the pill and her hormones return to normal, no longer feels the pregnancy needs security vibe, so she jumps a Chad on the downlow while denying beta the poonany.

As I said, taking a pill to wash away your worries does its own kind of conditioning, nurturing irresponsibility among other things. The option of abortion does the same. People can freely engage in promiscuity if they think they can easily get away with it, but these things tend to kill the soul. A woman that goes through an abortion is deeply wounded inside for killing a potentially healthy, beautiful child.

what is the consensus on IUDs (intra-uterine devices)? some are hormonal and i would imagine have the same side-effects as the pill, but some are not. anyone have any opinion on these things? my girl wants to go on birth control (she wants me to cum in her, but we cant raise a child right now financially). but i suggested looking for an alternative, because ive heard of side-effects. but i fucking hate condoms, so something needs to happen.

any advice Holla Forums?

Wait, I thought it was the other way around. The pill makes woman more likely to go for the bad boy and not give a damn about security.

Fuck off.

Get your salary/earnings, reduce your costs. How much is left? Is this much enough to pay the costs of a baby and all involved actions which are required to take care of a baby? How can I reduce the costs by taking help from my family? Is my financial situation bricked or can i get more for working more?

Play the jews in their own fucking game, faggot. Waiting to be financially stable is the best step you can take to make sure you don't get outplayed into becoming a debtwhore.

Fuck off, kike.

Exactly this. The things that white people have been conditioned to believe are prerequisites for having children- a certain amount of money, a certain kind of house- are out of reach. There will always, always be another reason not to have kids. There is exceptionally little difference between "later" and "never".

You said she was taking over her family farm so what the fuck is the problem? Knock her up already. Where you live is by far your biggest expense and she comes with a farm ffs, once that's taken care of the rest is a cake walk.

A few women have vaginal infections with these things. It also has a lower guarantee of birthrate prevention and it obviously has the downside of being something shoved in them, which in itself has a huge amount of "if's" and "but's" associated with it.

Make sure its inert. Some IUDs are hormonal, and work exactly like a pill, which means you're switching pills from a slow-release "T" inserted into your woman's vagina pouring in hormones at a steady level.

So bluepilled he wasn't even redpilled on birth control - Sad!

Yes. Yaz gave me cervical cancer

Another White child never coming into existence because of kike bullshit.

You won't have the finances to raise a child in a year. Or five years. Or ten. Or before she hits her mid-thirties and her odds of creating healthy babies falls through the fucking floor.

It'll never happen. Something will crop up. Taxes will hit. There will always be another payment to make.

Fucker, it's not a pre-requesite. I'm not saying OP is required to follow the financial hassles to have a baby; if he wants to test for himself, he can do it. I'm just giving him the pros and cons of his decisions. You don't want to see all the variables in the equation, it's your decision, but OP and other anons should decide for themselves if they want the full picture.

Don't be a fucking defeatist. If you conquer this, then conquer the next step; perpetuating your bloodline.

Look at this fucking weasel wording on this kike. Oy vey, spreading your genes isn't important! Convenience is important! It'll be a hassle, goy! You have things you need to do first, goy! Make sure your (((employer))) is paying you enough after-tax money to let you afford to have a kid, while Latrina shits out her fifth and Aisha pops out her seventh (on your tax money, naturally).

Not really, but Margret "colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated" Sanger was very enthusiastic about it and in fact aided its development.

Don't you have some swastikas to paint in some hebrew tombstone, rabbi?

Just got done talking to her about exercise.

Healthy body and mind = Healthy babies.

It seemed to work.

Which is why they should be the only ones taking them.

Of course the pill fucks women up badly, but that's not the only problem. Sex without procreation is just mutual masturbation, and it lets men feel like men ("look at all these women I'm having sex with!") while accomplishing nothing.

If your wife is on this shit, you're a failure as a husband.

If you're fucking loose women on the pill you might as well be paying to jerk off.

I wish we could get all the dingus on the pill.

But it is ok if she is made temporarily sterile?
this should totally answer your question on the pill
And FFS this is the 20th century women's fertility cycles can be calculated down to the day. You can do rubber off rubber on knock out about 8 kids for the farm then go and get a vasectomy.
And live happily ever after and be the honorary first fambly of Holla Forums

Take a wild fucking guess. (((The pill))) is pretty much legalized roids for women, down to the side-effects of roidrage, weight/muscle gain and infertility. Also, most of it gets filtered in to your piss by your body, which eventually ends up in to everyone's drinking water because waste treatment plants aren't designed to filter out hormones or drugs.

And yes, the other user was right. You're never going to be "financially stable" thanks to (((progressive taxation))) and other kike fuckery. Being "financially stable" before having children is a meme created by yiddish think tanks to discourage whites from procreating. Your kid doesn't need the newest goyphone to have a healthy and happy childhood.

OP is just another good goy trying t feel smart.

IUDs without hormonal effects are fine.

Salty virgins go away.
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So the next step is sexless marriage and relationships, rabbi? No mutual contact and true displays of affection through sex anymore? Gotcha.

You did it wrong, faggot. Or, let me guess, you're one of those "every virgin bleeds the first time" idiots.

You ask about the pill, but you obviously know nothing about human sexuality. Go take a junior high level health class and then come back and talk to the grown ups.

Use rubbers or pull out. Ironically, the pills fuck her libido, so you get laid less. Shell also gets more zits and gain weight.

The idea that you need to have 6 figure salary and a McMansion before starting a family is a kike meme but if you don't at least have a decent job and savings then you are no better than a nigger by having kids you cant support. Calculate your current income and expenses, put together a list of likely childcare expenses, and determine how much you need to save or earn before you make kids and save a few grand for rainy day expenses. It isn't fucking rocket science, instead of bitching about how much money you need to start a family figure out exactly how much is necessary and set that as a goal if you aren't there. The idea that childrearing is absolutely impossible without being a nigger and collecting gibs is as much of a kike meme as the idea that you need to have 6 million shekels before you even think about raising a kid.

What about vasectomy?
Let's say you have 8 kids and you don't want anymore. Is that moral?

Okay, he's gone full pilpul

There is absolutely nothing wrong with collecting gibs. At one point, there might have been an argument here- but either your family gets it, or a nigger does.

Under normal circumstances, it would be. These aren't normal circumstances anymore. We're being fucking invaded. There's actually a strong moral argument for Holla Forumsacks to impregnate as many human women as possible, regardless of circumstances, because our civilization is fucking dying.

It is your moral imperative to give the best care and doctrine your kids need to properly raise them. Morality is too based off on what others think of your actions. For some, you need to breed more white people for the morality of your country. For others, you need to make sure all your kids are properly taught and raised, and the more kids you have, the less time you'll have for them, regardless if you're a rural or an urban person.

Holla Forums

One other question.
She is 23, I'm 21. When does women hit the wall that makes them just give birth to Autism.

I can only speak from personal experience.

I was quite the degenerate a few years ago, so I've been around with quite a few women. Some of them non-degenerate (very few) and some of them full on liberated womyn (total whores).

Most of the girls I've been with exhibited clear changes when on the pill or off the pill. and I can tell you one thing: if you think it affects everyone the same, like these studies saying they change who they feel attracted to, you're wrong. It's bullshit. Hormonal changes affect everyone differently. I've seen girls that go into sexual overdrive on the pill, and some that go completely asexual. I've also seen some gain weight and some actually lose weight.

So, there is no hard and fast rule here. Exactly like the user that pointed how anabolic steroids affect men differently, the same things go for the pill.

Is it bad? Yes of course, women shouldn't be on the pill. Taking exogenous hormones is not ideal.

Will it make it leave you or something like that? bullshit. Will it change her behaviour or bodyweight? Possibly, but not certainly.

My wife has been on the pill since forever and has no side effects whatsoever. We're getting her off the pill since we're trying for a kid. If she leaves me or something, I'll let you know.

Depends on the woman. Not every woman is genetically identical. More proof of how retarded you are about human sexuality.

Quality > quantity. Quantity is for Africans and Arabs. You know how we classically dealt with invaders? War. And yes we do have more than enough people for that. One guy controlling a drone can kill dozens if not more of these invaders, making their numbers useless.

I think you just dream of fucking numerous women like some Sheik.

There are many risks and side effects associated with birth control.

See, but if we'd do that,we'd have a lot of single moms unless we start living in polygamic marriages.
SIngle mothers produce unstable kids and they turn into unstable adults, who have problems with drugs, leftism and homosexuality.
I think we don't only need to produce as much offspring as we can, we need to turn our kids into proper adults and citizens, too.

I think 8 is a good number. My grandpa had 8 kids and they all turned out fine.

Starts detiorating from 30 onward and after 40 it'ss really risky. Get as much into her before she turns 30 as possible.

Sooner or later the pill will fall out of use due to IUDs. It’ll be interesting to see what happens then.

If you have a job, you can support a child. You won't be living the high-life and might have to leave your degenerate hedonistic lifestyles behind you, but it's better than waiting for "the right time" that'll never come, and by the time you realize you've been shafted the ship has already sailed.

Thing begin to go DOWNShill around then.

Holy shit, waterslide yourself into a fucking oven you fucking yid. Uncles and aunts help. Big siblings learn how to look after their little siblings. It used to be commonplace before boomer selfishness and changes to immigration laws fucked our demographics.

Cultures with strong family ties- Mexicans, Iranians, Bangladeshis- don't have this problem. Why not? Because other family members are part of the network that keeps their cultures thriving.

It got taken away from whites and we're not even aware what we lost.

Mid-thirties.

Seems like you have something to be happy about every morning you wake up.

If this girl is the real deal, it's not a good idea to pump her up with the hormonal jew.

Stick with the sock for now, weigh the ability of that farm to support a large family, and then help fix our demographic situation, non stop.

How am I a shill, faggot?

Oh, so you're just another autistic ancap.

I can confirm that some girls do bleed. My gf did that too. If anyone is the faggot here it's you.

It’s a pun about DOWN syndrome you autist.

All girls bleed if you do it hard enough.

Mid-thirties.

Shit Holla Forums and I wanted to major in STEM. It seems like if I take that route she will be raisin before we make kids.
I am willing to ditch that and just help her on the farm and have kids, seems like the logical choice from here.

It's a kill pill in the sense that it kills the women mind. I dunno who made it but I wouldn't be surprised if jews did so.

You can still pursue your dreams, user. Go to a school local to the area- nearly everyone offers online courses- and plan your time wisely; you'll have kids to take care of, after all. You probably won't have to commute to the college regularly, either.

Unless you're teaching, do courses, instead. More bang for your buck.

Why not both?

Seriously user, lurk more.

STEM/trade school is a different animal than pozziversity.

There's a point where too many results in a reduction in quality, and then you have to deal with lebensraum alongside that.

Is it really that bad in Norway? And isn't stem uncuked because it needs to be objective?

There are a lot of industries you can enter with certification exams or community college. Welding, EMT, IT, Trucking, etc. family is obviously most important but there are time flexible options to pursue a career also.

Stephan's argument was not to go to college if it wasn't absolutely essential for your career/ambitions due to the clusterfuck of cultural marxism, declining quality, and student loan price inflation. College is worth it and necessary for engineering, law school, and medical school. Otherwise it isn't

I had to go because I wanted degree in particle physics. Then I found out the Jews run the world :(

this link is broken

Kekchecked for factual accuracy

Get your degree and then blackhole the kikes, Dr. Freeman

enjoy your ban, questionfag

This. I used to be a libertarian anti gov type but until there is a purge of shitskins they will be abusing these systems and we should be exploiting them for our own benefit and hastening the collapse. I'm not saying white people should be niggers and live in the projects and just take gibs, of course you should have a job or be doing something to improve yourself but no reason not to also take gibs that the nigs and spics are taking anyway. Overload the system.

Large families are even better for children as the older ones teach the younger ones. And you don't have to be a tiger mom to give your h'white kids a good upbringing.

There are non hormonal birth controls. My girlfriend uses Nuvaring, which for the past 2 years as worked very well. And if you don't wish to be on it any more, you just take it out and your body flushes the small amount of hormones it uses in about a month.

Pretty convenient if you don't like condoms.

hold on there, are you suggesting everytime you fuck your wife procreation is on the table?

I'm sorry, I like to have sex every day, but I definitely don't like the idea of having one kid per year.

I'm not saying the pill is mandatory, but just fucking use some other type of birth control. Restraining sexual impulses with your own fucking wife is absurd, you might as well be single.

I'm not saying don't fuck your wife if it's impossible to reproduce, I'm just saying that you have to recognize what you're doing. It's still mutual masturbation.

You should. Having a dozen kids is a Holla Forums ideal. The fucking spics do it, don't they? What, other than kike bullshit and fear of not having access to meaningless material goods, is stopping us?

>look it up on wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NuvaRing

wow, I wonder who could be behind this post!

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It uses very little hormones. And I'm sorry schizo but not everyone is a kike. It doesn't change the fact that theres other non hormonal ones that one can use.

Fuck off Jew.

Please never change ((you)).

while I appreciate your dedication to the cause, it's a bit unrealistic. I couldn't feed or clothe a dozen kids, even going full mudshit-tier. I'm also completely fine with the idea that it's mutual masturbation, as long as it keep us both happy.

last, but not least, I don't know many women that look even remotely fuckable after having 10 kids.

Some questions will get you banned. "What does Holla Forums think of X" happens to be one of them.

Remember back when these guys were like openly denying quantum physics last year? I wonder if its the same people. Like the guys who'd spam a thread with a 1000 lines repeatedly and call everyone shills.

Really fucking annoying for any discussion.

Learn the difference, you illiterate nigger.

Don't date a woman on the pill, if you want to make a serious long term relationship with her. Dated my girl for over a year with a happy sex life - she was a cute girl with long hair and good personality. Then she got off the pill - she almost instantly became an asexual, shorthair, died hair unnatural color. Idk why. Just a warning to others.

I'll say this: My ex-wife (note the 'ex' part of that) was on BC pills for eight years of the almost nine we were together. She quit taking them and turned into a complete raging turbo-cunt. I spent a year dealing with constant attitude, passive-aggressive bullshit, not getting laid, going to counseling… I had to divorce her; she was completely intolerable.

I've been with women who both took the shit and who didn't. Here's my advice:
1. If she's not on it, don't ever let her start. Not having to pull out when you bust your nut isn't worth the hassle and potential damage to her psychological well-being. Kids come from nut. It's no secret. If you want to fuck but don't want kids, find other ways of dealing with it. FFS, there's only like a week and a half where she can really get pregnant, anyway. If she knows her cycle (most women do), just don't nut in her for the two weeks before her rag starts.
2. If she is, but has been on it less than two years, make her quit. I don't know why I say two years. I read some shit a long time ago about drugs and addiction and alcoholism, and that from the time you quit, it takes a full two years for your systems to completely normalize. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. Ex's cunt doctor even told her that it would take two years to wean her off the pills because there'd be side effects and withdrawal symptoms - after so long, her body stops regulating its own hormone production, and relies on the pills to do it - so maybe there's something to that two year thing.
3. If she's been on it more than two years, never let her stop. I'm telling you - my ex-old-lady was alright until she quit taking those pills. She got moody and bloated once a month, just the same as any broad, but it was all manageable. But after she quit (cold turkey, btw) it was like nine years of PMS all saved up and let loose with the rage of a hundred suns. Shit drug out and drug out and I had to boot her.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some. Anyway, yeah - fuck birth control.

Sex is used to bond interpersonally, which is the reason we have sex facing each other instead of like almost all other animals. It's to imprint your partners face and associate it with physical pleasure. It's a human thing, which is why shitskins love asses and fucking from behind and Aryan men prefer breasts and fucking in the missionary position. Missionary position is the most unique sexual position in mammalian species.

Almost 70% of Americans don't have any savings to speak of. Does that mean that they shouldn't have kids, any of them? Hate to break it to you but the shitskins aren't using that philosophy. Basing whether or not you reproduce on a kike shekel system is a losing bet. When men have kids their income goes up, because they work that much harder. I realize that European bloodlines are K-selected and having kids when resources are scarce is almost inconceivable, but kikes know this and are using it against us.

For fuck's sake … is everyone ITT 12 years old?

Birthcontrol ruins your hormones. My wife essentially had a fucking stroke because of this shit.

Ya well you can go fuck yourself. Kikes like you only believe something is true unless it's confirmed by the best (((goys))). Just because some fuck head wit ha political agenda pumps out (((statistics))) in (((academic publications))) doesn't mean they are true.

Why weren't you making more babies for the Millennium Empire user?

my long term gf had been on them for four years and i made her quit almost a year ago after a really good thread here. http:// archive.is/0OXii she struggled for maybe four months afterwards with various physical and mental issues regarding the pill, but its been smooth sailing since then and seems like she loves me more than while she was on it.

So, what did you name the first one?

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Dubs confirm you will have a happy life with this beauty filled with beautiful white children.

Praise kek

kek smiles on your trips, bless you user

we are settling down after seeing the world first but thanks for asking

Trips confirm your confirmation.

These fucking digits.

Jesus christ user, you better get ready to have some fucking aryan gods and goddess as children.

Kek has confirmed this, and blesses your future offspring.

It just doesn't stop. Holy checks, Kek.

If you insist on buying rubbers then buy in bulk online.

If you are a self controlled man and you don't want children the pull out method works. We were taught that it's highly ineffective in school because most people are retards, or have no self control.

I did it for a year and a half with lots of weekend drunk sex. I knew way more sexual degenerates growing up than i'd like to have and they shared similar stories.

please kill yourself

no the pill makes women like betas

Women don't care, and neither do men. It's the decline, and you're either a top 5% male fucking the top 40% of women, or you're the remainder masturbating to porn. Actually, the other 60% of women still fuck the top 5% of males, because they'll just stick it in those pigs while thinking about the 40% that blew them off that night; those 60% of ugly women are backup vaginas who are getting a chance to be Cinderella for an evening, with a 20 minute romantic fairytale that starts with a "suck it whore" and ends with a "get out whore."

Yes it kills their sex drive and also fucks with their hormonal balance