Homesteading

It's in the audo book of The Myth, you can probably find the video on youtube. He mentions that cities should have limited populations, so that they don't spiral out of control. Smaller cities essentially, not giant mega cities like he witnessed blossoming up during their era.

Yeah that wasn't going to happen, not completely.

The general consensus is the only thing keeping us from succeeding at this is the Feds.

In a sense, it has happened in European cities with a majority European population. The densities in cities that are getting overcrowded are generally due to non-whites.

Developing skills that allow you to have a remote job minimizes the commute problem. Many of the lots that are viable for a homesteading lifestyle probably won't have much choice (or any) as far as ISP goes, however. To me self sufficiency and water access are the two hardest problems, but I think they can be overcome with careful selection of a location and proper planning.

Holla Forums commune when?

shit

City planning is something that I've become increasingly fascinated by. Architects have it in their head that they can sculpt the human mind with terrain, with an arrangement of shapes and colors, that they can trick the senses into believing that things are better than they are. In a way, they want to harness a type of meme magic to make people feel as if they aren't being suffocated by the nightmarish reality that modern cities have become.

Perhaps it's the mile-wide fa/tg/uy streak that I've got, but I feel that the self-contained town is something that speaks to our tribal roots. Something that resonates with the true way we are meant to be. And in a sense, something that is logistically aligned with the needs and wants of a healthy human being.

Like my retiree co-workers worrying that they might die alone of a heart attack.. What if they lived in a town of no more than, say, 50 people, and their family was less than a mile away at any given time, because they grew up and lived and worked in the same small town? They'd be living in a place where there was no fear that the neighbor might rob their home and kill them. They'd know their neighbor. They might not even truly be retired, as the reduced needs and stresses would help them live longer and healthier.

My thoughts are getting jumbled now, but I think we used to have something damned near perfect that was just lacking the technologies and materials to make it work as well as it could.

I can't deny this. Knowing how eager the alphabets are to not only monitor every single thing we do, but also control how we think and act, it will be quite a struggle to find enough loopholes to make this work as intended.

Furthermore, should we find some state, some county, some place that would allow us to erect our own town, there's always the issues of zoning, home-owners associations, city ordinances, wildlife preservation acts, and all kinds of other redtape to strangle us.

I have the smallest hope that Trump's time in office will see some of these things removed. It wouldn't hurt to lobby for them, either. Write a few letters. Hell, maybe even apply for some grant money.

Otherwise, the most basic solution I can think of is the often risky, and rarely successful idea to pool together everyone's money as a massive up front investment.. and as someone who has come close to doing exactly that, I can tell you, it can very easily become something cult-like, and difficult to manage.

nice thread OP. not much to contribute as I'm asking myself the same questions and seeing similar challenges to which I haven't found answers yet, but i'm giving myself 18 months to come up with a plan to move out.

sage for off-topic but on this point, if I may recommend a book whose title may sound vapid and typical of self-help but is surprisingly redpilled and proto-Holla Forums in many ways:
murdercube.com/files/Money/Hidden Secrets of Oriental Wealth/

One thing that's really important to me is to eliminate the need for cars. The petroleum jew will always be a monkey on our backs until we do, and our civic design is centered entirely around the private automobile, rather than building things on a human-centric human scale.

I've been working on this project for a long time. I do have blueprints, financials, proposed pseudo-governmental plans, etc. Keep postan about this shit for a few more years, I intend to have something open within 3 years. My experience is that finding a group of like minded people is the most difficult part of setting up communities. The technical details pale in comparison. I don't really have much to add to the thread since I've already designed my own plans, just pointing out that some people are working pretty hard on this.

electric cars fueled by off-grid power, my man. I read somewhere that you can turn pig shit into methane pretty easily then use that to power vehicles and farm equipment. It's all about how much you want to.

We need to go somewhere that will allow us to be alone and independent. No property tax, no overegulation.

Kek, I often wonder how our forebears allowed property tax to become a thing.

listen up Cossack, were you born too early to explore the frontiers yet too soon to ascend to the stars?

In the meantime, our great leader Mr Putin is inviting all people of the world to come to Russia's Far East and stake your claim on a new life.

Anyone is entitled to apply for up to a hectare of land in the Kamchatka, Primorye, Khabarovsk, Amur, Magadan and Sakhalin regions, the republic of Sakha, or the Jewish and Chukotka autonomous districts.

Libtard Shills and Violent, Nihilist Communist Antifa College-Rioters got you down? Have Globalist Oligarchs like Soros and Saban and Zuckerpunch got you down?
Are you tired of vast unfathombly Western Intelligence recording and spying on the minutia of your life? Is your neighborhood plagued by violent, low IQ, low impulse control, hyper-breeding Mud People? Are you worried that your little daughters are at risk of cultural enrichment? Does your Waifu fear a Surprise Act of Diversity?
Are you ready to embrace the new you and Return to the Land to work hard and live a real life like your Great Great Grandfathers did?

Well, here in Kamchatka, you won't find any obese blue haired Otherkins, because our women are traditional and family oriented.
You also won't find any Globalist Gamblers because there is nothing here that can be monetized to back derivatives debt. Here you could ride your horse for 100's of kilometers without seeing a single Tyrone, Pedro nor Muhammad.

Best of all, after the inevitable and tragic WW3, where mighty Russian SATAN Nuclear ICBMs, each containing over 30 warheads, resulting in the Total Anihilation of America, you will enjoy a very high probability of survival after the Holocaust of Humanity.

Since there is nothing out here in Kamchatka, there are no targets for Mutialky Assured Destruction. (Although the USA does not know it yet, they won't be able to launch a Second Strike because our Best Hackers will have disabled their power grid, including the Oentagon's Secret emergency backup of the backup power grid.)

Comrades, Russia welcomes you!

rt.com/business/341892-far-east-land-infrastructure/

This reputable law firm can take you through the legal process:

sirotapartners.com/assets/file/Priority Development Areas in Russia EN.pdf

this is in effect on some level in some european cities, i am thinking mainly of the netherlands. Instead of eternal sprawl, the limit must be clearly defined and instead of expanding, the satelite villages/towns should acommodate the excedent. This can be done by implementing green belts, not hard at all and not something new either

Part of the reason there is a disdain for urban life is the diversity in it, and how it attracts all sorts of bad hombres. This is fading a bit in the US in some places, mainly due to gentrification (but as soon as cities stop being shitholes, it will inevitably attracts undesirables)

And the car justs provides independence like public transportation, at this moment, doesn't. This is in part because cars are actually receive heavy incentives in the form of extensive public roads and car oriented urban planning. When the existing roads aren't enough, they just build another lane or add another car route. We are not meant to live in car cities, but at the moment owning a car is a necessity

I already know all of this. Worse yet, I fell for the college meme. Now with a shitty degree, trapped in a city up to my eyeballs in debt I recognize I may be a prisoner for life. I cannot escape the city because I have no skills that are useful outside of a city. I can't save up because I barely make enough to cover my costs.

I found the redpill far too late in life. Truth be told, my redpilling is my own life story. If you're self-aware enough, living the life of a city degenerate will wake you up real fast to how bad our society really is. I just wonder if I can ever escape this tomb.The tomb that I've built for myself.

It isn't for the migrants so it is not possible.

California user here in my mid-30s, and my story is similar. I work a job that juuuuuuuuust pays my monthly bills and that's it. I do have a decent quantity of gold and silver saved up from when I was doing better financially, maybe that will be the emergency chute that gets me out of here and to someplace quiet and white. Or maybe José will just kill me and spend it all on Mexican whores while making soup stock from my bones. If nothing else, I'll see you in Valhalla, brothers.

I got the skills and I qualify for whichever USDA agricultural loan there is. Grew 80% minimum of calories for years, sold stuff at market, grown plants professionally for over 10 years (no degenerate dudeweed, actual fucking plants that take skill to make a profit- much easier to fuck up and make zero money if you're only getting 3 cents per plant profit, as opposed to $1500 in dudeweed hipster bucks). I refuse to not be utterly nepotistic as fuck in the hiring process, and since everyone would be 'migrant farm labor' technically, we can pay cash like they do with the spics, as is the norm. Code is sort of wishy-washy, we could do whatever experimental buildings that aren't called houses on paper, and call them barns and shit.

I know both the chemical ag-style of doing shit, and I know the full-bore hippie-dippy permaculture organic shit too, I practice the hydrology of permaculture and use the right method for the right situation otherwise- only motherfuckers I ever seen actually practicing actual permaculture is Bill Mollison in Australia, and Sepp Holzer in Austria. Sepp's method is who I take after- read, learn from others- but use your good sense as a white man to discern from the situation how to properly approach something. If the science jews say something doesn't work, try it in your spare time- they might have been full of shit, or just too stupid to perform something properly.

Cash cow would be breeding a late blight/bacterial wilt "heirloom" tasting tomato of actual quality- the mountain magic/mountain series taste like shit to me. Grow lots, I got a market for them.

Only caveat is, that I ain't leaving dixie, and I ain't too fond of the idea of paying more than a grand an acre. I think the ideal would to be a gigantic burned area in eastern tennessee- any autist that's willing to actually find a good, burned area in Tennessee, and is willing to throw themselves entirely into the project, is willing to come.

Golf carts and bicycles it is, then.
You're not wrong though. No towns or cities are laid out with the intention of someone actually working close to their job. It's all segmented in an odd sort of way because the zoning board decided that houses can only exist in one area and businesses in another and certain kinds of businesses in another arbitrarily designated area.. And just in case anyone didn't know, zoning is rarely, if ever, actually handled by some kind of expert. Most of the time, it's just some random asshole who slipped into the position and decides entirely by either whatever they felt like, or whoever paid them the most to get the permits they wanted.

Homeowner associations are very similar. They run on nepotism and the random whims of power hungry busybodies who will fuck with you just because they don't like the type of grass that's growing on your lawn. Lawns are bullshit anyways. They serve no fucking purpose.

Well, you've done more work than I have. The research I've done so far has allowed me to eliminate certain ideas, like tinyhouses and RV living, as there is no healthy, cost-effective lifestyle to be had in the nomadic way of life. Not in this era.

At the same time, I've begun toying with a bit of city planning of my own. The primary concept that I'd like to pursue is the elimination of the overstocked house. Tinyhouses are bullshit for a myriad of reasons, but there's some truth to the central philosophy to them: Namely that you don't need a mansion to live comfortably. However, living a shack on wheels isn't right either. Something like a 300sq ft house is doable, especially if you minimize the number of appliances. This would make it easier to do the wiring, make the house require less power (making it easier to run off solar and wind power), and since it would be a smaller dwelling, easier to insulate and heat. Everything else, like full range stoves, laundry machines, and so on, could be installed in a larger, centrally located communal building.

Point is, the idea of a smaller, cheaper to build, energy and space efficient dwelling isn't so far fetched.. it's just the stupid execution and the obsession with mounting tinyhouses on trailers and loading them with every possible thing a person could need that fucks things up.

I feel for you, anons. I've managed to save up a fair amount of money, but I'm stuck working full-time while being a sort of live-in housekeeper for my family. If I move anywhere on my own, the whole thing gets fucked and I instantly start to hemorrhage all my savings while being able to keep next to nothing for myself, making the prospect of owning a home nearly impossible.. Not that I even want to do that in this state anyways, as that would mean at least a decade of paying off drastically overpriced property and being trapped in one of the most pozzed counties in America that isn't in California..

At this point, I'm giving serious consideration to risking it all on the chance that I could make this work on my own. I've even considered e-whoring through patreon and youtube to make it financially viable. And it's something that can work. Someone I followed on youtube for a long time essentially bought a slice of land-locked property in the mountains and started building on it. Because it was so far out of the way and no one could see it, no one ever told him what he could or couldn't build. Too bad he was kind of a lefty sperg.

I too have skills spent a few years working farms, raising animals, digging holes, putting up fences, it's the most satisfying life and i hate this urban hellscape.

If we are going rural we raise horses user

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One of the things I'm really interested in is how people use space. One of the dorms at my uni had a very interesting layout - there were private individual rooms, which all connected through a central room through which you entered and exited the building. I think we need to totally rethink how we use personal, private, and public spaces. I think a lot of happiness and loneliness can be traced back to the ways buildings have been designed to prevent people from congregating in non-personal spaces.

I wonder if seasonal workers would be able to make enough. Work through the winter months in the city, move out to your homestead in early spring. It's not ideal, and you'd eventually want to fully transfer to the homestead, but it might be a solution for some that aren't ready to make their livings this way.

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rip /namibia/

If you're a fucking white male, you'll likely be paying more than that.

Buy cheap burned land in dixie, it was $1000 per acre for unimproved land way away from anything, with standing timber, average price if you get a decent bit. Another option would be to buy land, sell timber, use timber money to buy soil amendments so we aren't raping the land and actually get nutrition out of what we grow for ourselves.

Lots and lots of springs in that area of the appalachians, and the water quality is very good. Theoretically, we could even hand dig a well- I grew up drinking water from a hand-dug well, and I'm not even that old- call me crazy but the well was dug in the 50s with essentially some post hole diggers, a rope, pulley, and wooden framework.

For agricultural land over a certain amount of acres, I think 16, in tennessee, as long as we sell a minimum of like $3000 of some sort of product every couple years, the property tax is basically nothing.
Rich fucks buy plots of land there, and sell a bit of hay on it for way too much on paper to avoid property tax.

This one is the easiest, if you simply aren't a purist about the whole thing.

Sell a small amount of produce, some sort of craft or something, to be honest any product that can be sold for a significant amount of money outside the farm will suffice, whether it's musical instruments, swords, tomatoes, or horses, it doesn't really matter. It makes it much more efficient to live growing around 80-90% of your food, and doing some activity that is more efficient in trade than trying to produce the last bit of everything- diminishing returns is a thing, and I'm sorry- I'm going to buy fucking black pepper while it's far cheaper to do so as opposed to growing it myself- it can be done, I've done it before, but there's a reason it cost almost as much as gold per pound before industrialized transportation.

I've done my research anons.

OM617 Diesel benzes with in-tank and inline fuel heaters, and cheap purchased vegetable oil used as-is- jew the jews when it comes to the transportation thing.

Really only need those, and retard buses similarly converted (if a fat faggot in a wheelchair can go up and down on the lift, hand trucks and boxes can certainly do the same) for basically all of our vehicular needs.

If we somehow need forms of transportation on the land, diesel tractors for bulk, golf carts possibly with solar panel roof-chargers for large-scale running around, other than that, stop being a fat faggot and walk around to the neighbors house.

I am trying to get a job I can work remotely with just a satellite connection on a homestead property. I make money on odd web design and writing jobs from upwork and similar freelance sites in addition to my regular job but it is hardly stable right now. I have also considered learning how to manufacture something on the homestead property which is can be feasibly sold through amazon/ebay or occasional drives into town but I am lacking ideas and I do not have the funds to purchase enough land for commercial farming.

I lived in Asia for several years and the space efficiency you see in those urban centers is amazing. Lots of innovative ways to arrange a room.

Most American bathrooms have a sink, shower and bathroom as one room which means if you have a 4 person house you better have at least 2 bathrooms. I've seen places in Japan where all 3 sections are divided, someone can shave, another can take a shit, and a third person can take a shower all at the same time with their privacy. Forcing family members to share the same space has all sorts of positive side effects too.

I would like to take some of the space saving features I've seen over there and apply it to a stand alone house in the US. There is no need for 2000 sq ft house, and by reducing the housing size you make it more energy efficient, you free up land for agriculture, and reduce your property taxes.

That is perfectly agreeable, Satan, cities have importance as major industrial and cultural centers, NatSoc Berlin or pre-nog Detroit being perfect examples.

It's something more people are starting to explore. Architects inspired by the tinyhouse movement has been able to do some pretty neat stuff with with limited or unusual spaces that play to a lot of the concepts you're talking about. Check out Kirsten Dirksen on youtube. She does all kinds of videos about small and usual housing arrangements. Some of them a yuppie vanity projects, but others are quite interesting.

On the topic of communal spaces, here's a video on the father of the original commune, Epicurus. Interesting philosopher, but hard to study, because he never wrote any of his shit down and taught expressly through the spoken word.

Even thousands of years ago, this guy understood that the things that people are just starting to discover today. Ideas about shared spaces and spending your time with less so you can get more from your personal life. The importance of privacy and solitude in balance with the shared, interpersonal times.
This youtube channel got pretty cancerous over the last few years. Their mini videos on philosophers are alright, but they are one sip of koolaid short of making a video about how miscegenation and inter-racial cuckolding are things smart, civilized people should do

Still kicking myself for not taking more trade classes in community college, but while I was attending, I thought I'd get some of that sweet financial aid money everyone was telling me about in high school. I'm one of 5 kids, so I figured there had to be something… They took a 2 second look at my application, asked if I had any kids, and then told me I could apply for a loan. Meanwhile, my friend who was an only child got a significant chunk of dosh because he was technically hispanic. One of my earliest redpill doses.

Never let anyone tell you the system isn't rigged against straight white men.

Thanks so much for you insight, Dixieanon. You've got experience and knowledge that is crucial for even understanding the right way to think about things like this.

Farming seems to be the easiest way to be self sufficient while also generating income to offset the cost of living. Got a rough estimate on how many people you think it would take to grow, pick, and sell a decent amount of produce? Once we figure that out, it's a matter of determining how much land would be needed to house each person, and then the cost per person.

Farming seems to be your area of expertise, but I'm curious to investigate our other options. 10 guys working a wood shop could turn out some "handmade" furniture and sell it for enough to cover the cost of taxes for a year.

Cuck mods anchored the SHTF thread. Good luck with this one.

Going to tip my hand a bit further. I'm into propmaking. Making replicas of vidya and animu shit. There's currently a boom in cosplay and prop related business. 3D printers and all kinds of new mold-making materials have allowed people to start making some really crazy stuff more easily.

One guy I discovered recently is selling Buster Sword replicas for 400-700 dollars (depending on paint or not) and the thing is just cast in resin out of a one piece matrix mold he made. The guy can pull dozens and dozens of these swords from the mold he madeand ship them all over the country.

Now, I'm not saying we should start Holla Forumsprops, but there's all kinds of business we can do through the internet. Buy a 3D printer and make kek statues. Set up a coin press like the Real Memes guy. Get an embroidery machine and make patches. Set up a foundry and make jewelry.

If all we need is enough money to pay the bills and keep food in the fridge, there's ways we could make it happen besides farming.

Interesting. I like these pictures too, they remind me of Ragnarok Online.

I was thinking about mentioning that, too. Patrician taste,

And just because I feel like this is somewhat unclear, what I'm getting at is that there are various easy to learn skills and ways to employ them to make a little bit of money. There are sites where you can sell 3D printing files, and other sites like shapeways where you just submit the file and they pay you to sell prints of it.

In the prop making and model making scene, people make kits where they just do a rough cast of something they've made and then people buy, for hundreds of dollars, these kits to assemble and paint themselves. Some people make a living entirely off doing commissions and design work, while others make their money off jewtube and patreon by posting videos and tutorials for how they make their shit.

If your metalwork is especially good and you can do historically accurate replicas, HEMA and Renaissance Faire types will pay thousands for a single piece.

If you're literarily inclined, you write a few books and toss them up on amazon. If we're especially desperate, we set up some kind of website and post articles about shit, or tutorials or whatever, then get some ad revenue shilling water filters like Alex Jones.

Then, you take the combination of various people living together in a shared living arrangement, solar and wind energy to keep costs down, energy efficient building and planning, use of natural resources, then you're already at a drastically reduced cost of living. The initial investment would be a little steep, but depending on how it's handled, it could mean a heavy upfront investment, followed by several weeks/months of time paid off to set up workshops, get situated, and establish ways of making money in the long term.

Get everyone up with their own workshops or even have some guys apprenticing and acting as assistants or part-time helpers. That used to be a thing that's practically gone too. People would apprentice under a professional for years before becoming a pro on their own.

This is maybe sounding a little bit too much like some kind of hippy commune "makerspace" shit, but the point is to become independent and have some control over our own lives.

Postan out of my /tg/ folder.

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mah nigga. My family bought some property down the road from our house (about 10 acres) to use as a farm and it's going great. We have hogs, chickens, and soon some cows. we actually finished the pasture fence last week. the front is for the main garden and the back is more of a ranch.
Mom and dad are thinking of selling the house and moving out there after everyone else moves out. I don't blame them this neighborhood is going to shit and we're a good 45mins from Atlanta.

I like cities. Cities are great. They offer a higher standard of living. There's more work. There's a far larger variety of goods and services available and so on.

The problem with cities are the demographics of cities, not cities.

Well, if you removed the millions of subhuman shitskins and the non-integrated foreigners, then many of the problems of cities would be fixed, but that's also because you're getting rid of the economic problems that come with wasteful spending and the logistical problems of unnaturally high population density.

So, if cities were exactly as they are now, minus millions of people, and everyone who lived there was paying their share, and the money was being handled properly, and none of it was being wasted on moronic programs for retards living in ghettos… Yeah, that might be good.

This seems like the backup plan honestly, if we don't get the Eternal Reich i will put down my memes and farm some potatoes.

I like the high population density. I like always having new people to meet, and not having to run into people I know every time I go out.

There were so many interesting ideas thrown about in its heyday, I'm particularly fond of the idea of making a "nation" that is actually a company where the "citizens" are shareholders and the "president" is a CEO that unlike shitty democracies, is responsible for the success of the nation or he gets the boot.

Aside from demographics I think stagnation is the problem with societies as a whole. If people get bored and crazy with seeing the same shit every day they turn into Sweden.

Get out of the city.
Gets a low mortgage.
Be a complete Jew with cash
Win

The weakest point in the USA and other Western nations is this single point.

Electrical POWER.

Everyones lives are centered around this. Even homesteaders rely on it because their finance and everything else that they own is tied to a supply system that is still based on electricity. All nations would see a 50 die off in 1 year if all grids were gone.

Scary thought

I'm also more of a city person than a country person, and I think that's something we whites definitely should never be fighting about.

The problem is any undesirable parties can quickly spread their ideology among people who are in such close proximity to eachother at all times. The ease of kike brainwash insemination is the main issue of cities, and humans ultimately were not intended to have such a sensory overload, and thus become completely insane like jew yorkers or pozzed south californians infamously are.

I think this might be tangentially related to r/k selection; or neotony v. dimorphism - I think even in a homogeneous ethnic group, there's just going to be a certain differentiation between people who prefer high density and people who prefer low density. But when there's greater cultural homogeneity it's more likely to become a symbiotic relationship rather than an exploitative one.

Depends on what you mean by a decent amount.
What I've found, is that a fair amount of land can be managed basically solo or with say a kid helping, all except for the picking- if you're a ninja with a hoe. I could probably manage 20-30 acres by myself until harvest time, then would need an insane amount of help picking for a period of time, for example, tomatoes of a lower-yielding heirloom type tend to make about 118,000 lbs of marketable tomatoes per acre if you do it right. They have to be picked at the right time, packed in a safe manner, and moved to whoever is buying them, all within a fairly reasonable amount of time and with a good bit of care.

Other options, I agree with that, I've done enough carpentry, professional and otherwise, to know that something like that can be very viable, and if we had a woodmizer and a decent wood plot we can make much more dosh since the wood's basically free, and we could just market the 'rustic' look of very-quickly finished quality handmade furniture, say. Or bows, or musical instruments, both of which I have a bit of experience making by hand.

I would guess I would need 10-15 people total to make the smallest self-sufficient unit, I assume roughly equal to the size of the average yeoman farmer's extended family of yesteryear- it could scale up to a pretty great degree, with more savings for using some things in common the larger it is, as long as we don't make the density too high for the monetary carrying capacity of the land. Further expansion would be by tesselation of something like the original plot if that makes any sense- it would only be convenient to walk so far to a big nice shared kitchen for example, if we had enough people we would have to make more than one, and that's completely fine.

Cost per person would be sort of tricky, since we would need more labor than cash in a way, and the government does extend farmers operating cost credit at not much more than federal reserve/prime mortgage rates, since for the farmer to say make 40k per year net, you might have to pay out exponentially more than that in labor, depending on what you're growing- and honestly that's completely fine with me if I'm generating millions of dollars and putting it all into my local aryan community/self defense society to make a living. Obviously one would need to contribute to keeping the land running and be mostly responsible for building and maintaining one's own dwelling, other than that it would be free time to do hobbies.

Honestly, if we did it right, we could work our fucking asses off for a few months a year, and basically be able to spend the entire rest of the year pursuing whatever worthy pursuits we choose to aim for, spending a much smaller amount of time growing and preparing food for ourselves and all the rest of what it takes to take care of one's own self.

It honestly isn't that hard growing your own produce if you have a little bit of the right kind of guidance.

You mean in physical appearance? I like both these features in people (appearance-wise); neoteny mostly just in girls.

I think the balance between the two works out nicely, some folks (like myself) desire to live way out in the fucking middle of nowhere, some folks like the busyness of the city. I'm willing to trade having non-family members in close proximity to me for the capability to take a leak off the front porch any time I feel like it, or to randomly shoot shit with a .22 from same said porch.

I wouldn't be able to sustain such an autistic lifestyle if it weren't for the larger concentrations of people I can sell produce to for far too much money.

Hello I am a strong 22 year old white man in America and would like to join this Holla Forums community. We seem to all have a hivemind about homesteading and the meaning of community.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind starting a kind of commune with Holla Forumsacks. The bitch of it all would be buying the land and getting building supplies, all the while being able to keep enough set aside to pay property taxes through the years. Still though, it's a nice little dream

We missed so much off the ex-NSA facility the government was auctioning off last summer for a little over a million dollars. It was already like a little town ready for settling.

It would be nice, wouldn't it? I mean, in all honesty, it's the same impulse that drove our Puritan ancestors to piss off from England in the first place. Only there's nowhere left to colonize. Fuck off, planet's full.

Life is suffering

If I can get some land, I will invite you Holla Forumsacks to be farmhands/serfs

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You feel it, too, don't you? What I wouldn't give to have a little potato farm with some fruit trees and sheep. A wife, some kids, and neighbors I don't have to lock my doors around. We'll get it one day, count on it.

Yeah, it's a bit of a bummer. But hey, maybe a better opportunity will arise and we can jump on it. We still need to settle on where though. I personally would hope it would be either in the Southeast of Northwest US, though Im open to alternatives.

Seriously though, I know exactly what you mean. Where does one go if everywhere is discovered and settled? Space isn't an option yet, so what is one to do? I suppose we could pull a page out of the muds of the world and just slowly gentrify an area. A few Holla Forumsacks move in, then a few more, then a few more. Soon there's Hitler speeches played in the morning, Rockwell in the afternoon. Rhodesian and Confederate flags on the front porches of houses, small private schools for our kids, our own little shops, beer halls, churches, etc, and before you know it, we have our own town.

Something to mull over, for sure

This is something I've been looking into for awhile now. One of the biggest hurdles is the way you get jewed to meet code. Since most states are phasing out septic, you're forced to pay out of pocket for a hookup to the sewer system. Tens of thousands to run a eletric pole 10ft down the street, etc.

Something that has caught my eye is old mining communities. They can be found in nearly every single country in the developed world. Abandoned after the war, they tend to be rather remote, but would have access to the most basic utilities already. Electric and telephone are very likely, and if not hooked up to water lines would come with grandfather septic tanks and pre drilled wells.

Since most of these houses have sat empty for at least the least 50 years, they'll need some work, but the costs would be detroit levels of low without the risk of niggers since they're out where the buses don't run. And better yet, there would have been SOME way of reaching them, so you would only need to repair the road rather than blast it out from scratch. Already parcelled out by lot, it would be a simple matter for each user to buy in should anyone find an especially promising spot. Clearly delineated as to who owns what, already spaced out and set up, and reachable enough that you could potentially go work a part time job for the necessary pocket money to pay for 3g dongles or what have you. Knock down a few houses and use the lots for hardy crops and we could even grow a good portion of our own food despite the lack of arable land.

I always thought it would be incredibly funny and only give further proof to our cause if we created a successful white nazi colony in Africa. Imagine we succeed and become a real country one day. I guess that's what Rhodesia/SA was though.

Allow me to help you OP.

I happen to be an expert in this area, and homesteading can be done easily, cheapily, and ANYWHERE.

archive.org/details/PERMACULTUREADesignersManualBillMollison

sustainablenations.org/Resources/strawbaleguide.pdf

graywolfsurvival.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Complete-Book-of-Self-Sufficiency-John-Seymour.pdf

Using the Directives in the above PDF's, you can establish a good homestead virtually anywhere, and you can build a sustainable home that will Heat and Cool itself passively.

Just save money for a year or two, and you can buy a piece of land then plant as many trees as you can.

Chickens are the cheapest way to start, and if you rotate their fenced area, you can plant behind them every three weeks.

This could be desirable, but I don't want miscegenation and I don't want the Chinese to the south to go north

OP, go to a rainbow gathering for a week and see how modern tribals live. After surviving that, you will have a good idea of what you need to be comfortable and what you do not.

Paying property taxes with skills and crafts you fucking nits. Learn metal working, glass blowing, wood working, leather working. Next up after that is selling excess food, A chicken coop, cows and pigs and crop.

I've put a lot, a metric fuck ton of thought into planning a homestead community, I've got plans for different population density but for the most part it's scales nicely up to astronomical levels, I've come to settle on the number 10,000 people max, but I could see accepting as many as 100,000 or as little as 5, either way same principal. How ever there is more reason to this than you might think. I simply do not have all my attention on staying on this earth. The point of a 10,000 strong community is that you can still have extremely strong bonds among settlers. The long term goal would be efficiency, cohesiveness, and community in order to get to space. As on earth my plans would (probably) work well in space. Space being our final frontier because no one would have any right to govern space habs and they would only be governable by them selves. For the habs I have scaled them to be able to support 100,000 - 1,000,000, and those populations would stem from the 10,000 on the ground either before or when we get up there. Any ways if you want to have whites only spaces, space is our only answer. There are many kike groups doing exactly what I propose and the race is on.

I've linked one of my favorite guys for this kind of thought, Issac Arthur, it might take you a second to get used to his speech impediment but his content is fucking gold.

You want to homestead your going to have to figure out a way to support it.

I've been to one rainbow gathering, Back when I traveled a ton, it was nationals in Washington from what I gathered it was a bad one, little planning etc etc.

How ever your point is duller than a new pencil, Rainbow gatherings are just that, gatherings the only thing they really do is set up the larger camp site and then stick around to "clean". Cleaning crew gets the incentive that they can keep any thing that is left behind.

The average rainbow gathering takes about 4-6 months to plan, execute and pack up. It's entirely temporary and completely insufficient so far as they can not feed or water them selves.

Regardless it's not even close to the same thing except for the fact you have random people gathering together.

A paucity of the Shitlib refugees of urban collapse
that come to our land will do the harvestcucking

This user has good info. Additional note, adding a thin layer of sawdust before planting will boost this dramatically as it will encourage benneficial fungal growth which will add nutrients later on and increase root growth, while lowering risks from fungi that would attack the plant.
Bonus, if you are growing non-grains, vegies and roots, till a few oats into the soil a month before planting if your soil is too barren, and toss straw mixed with saw dust over top, to prevent it from drying out too quickly. This will help.
Also plant rye in the fall, if you're lucky and its a mild winter, you'll get a crop in the spring before you plant your vegies, otherwise till it back into the ground. This will prevent your soil from eroding or dieing down.

Minimum startup can be done easily with less than $8k of supplies and stock, depending on your location / climate. First year is always the toughest, but using permaculture principles, you'll only need to work on the garden 2 hours a week, freeing up alot of time for other ventures.

OP, read up on permaculture, there are TONS of people that have already started doing this

Fuck that, land is fucking cheap considering, and the whole point of homesteading is so that you can not be kicked off, no one owns your shit.

there's always the baptist well drilling method. cheap and doable to drill a well ~150 feet deep

The only reason I am even slightly interested in homesteading though, as I have done hermetic mountainsteading on my own, is loneliness. I came down from my mount to try and find a 3dwaifu (i did). But what I really crave is a 4th Reich :^

Homesteading on your own is pretty good, you don't need any thing to be honest just the ability to form a place to live and catch food to eat. The problem with that is the hunting/fishing aint no good no more.

I've thought about this too, and it seems like a wonderful idea, I have this ideal of a small group of redpilled/trad individuals buying a home with their pooled income and slowly adopting more self-sufficient lifestyles so that they have more time to live life and study and perhaps to truly have an impact on the world instead of being reduced to bitter drudgery and shitposting. I would love to do something akin to this, perhaps instead of a home near the city a plot of farmland, but there aren't many in Canada who would do this, the only people I know of who are uncucked about cities actually tend to be anarchists, met an anarcho-primitivst who had a similar dream of an Epicurean commune en masse

I introduce you to seasteading. It's got the potential to be the most efficient means of homesteading that will change governments on land.

The principle behind it is that government is like an industry. They have territorial monopolies, and therefore don't have to compete to make their customers pleased or content with their nations.

With seasteading, providers on the seas would compete to attract customers. If the customers aren't satisfied with their current provider, they can detach their homes from the core seastead and sail away to a different provider. Thus, ensuring that providers of governance don't mistreat their customers, lest they lose them to their competitors.

can you provide the link? i'm interested in his market format. etsy? some generic market platform with wordpress? how do i go about selling my wares?

Until the chinese roll in and claim it as being in their territorial waters.

Or a large wave kills everyone.

I already told y'all I can get basically a blank check to buy land, and for operating costs as well, and I have a few people willing to underwrite the cost of at least the mortgage- a giant amount of cheap land is sort of around the same price for rent anyways.

Code- eastern tennessee, living in park-model trailers with septic is fine, and I think technically outhouses would be fine at least for code purposes for the farmworkers to shit in. Really, a bucket filled with compost works pretty damned well, read the humanure handbook, read issac asimov's essay on peak phosphorus, and ponder on why this would be a good thing. Just got to have regular facilities to pacify the code folks.

Y'all defeatist fucks help me find land, I spend around 20 hours a week looking and driving out to visit land, it has to be the right place with room to expand, preferably near or adjoining to a WMA/national forest.

30+ acres would be required, minimum, to get started, betting on my 8+ folks and at least 4-5 Holla Forumsacks coming. My plan is, open books, no jewishness in the monetary policy for the farm when it comes to in-group- I care less about making shittons of money, and more about reinvesting as much as possible to expansion.

I got the fucking skills. I'd theoretically be open to other areas, but I got roots and experience in the southern appalachians. I know how to make shit grow, I know how the seasons change, I know how defensible certain areas are, I know that water's common as hell and it's possible to plumb your house to a mountain spring, no pumps needed. I know the ins and outs of the traditional varieties of that area, and have been working on improving the varieties for years.

The trick with plants, is their genetics are just like ours- 99% of them suck, the 1% must constantly be improved or they degenerate, and this is accomplished by rogueing out all the off-types, and selecting for that which you wish to eat.

Also, you can support a good bit more folks per area of land, if you aren't a purist and are willing to grow/do profitable shit to get stuff that isn't practical to produce on a homestead level in that area, like window glass or some spices.

Very true, also have seen driven wells done fairly primitively, I guess my point is there is generally a fairly easy way to do things with much less money, if you're willing to do things yourself and not worry too much about how long it takes. The aryan way of doing things, self reliance- the only reason this isn't the normal situation is because the jews destroyed the yeomanry with their usury and avarice.

Ah yes, just like this Mongolian Tapestry forum were posting on!

So the Chinese Navy are gonna sail all the way out into the Pacific, if not into other countries territorial waters hosting the seasteads, and claim it's their's?

You see that ring in pic related? That's a wave breaker. Large waves are the least of their problems.

Your plan's solid and all, problem is most here simply don't have your skills. So they either buy up some land next door, and watch it crash and burn. Or sign on as serfs, which I'm sure you can imagine, most are less than eager to do.

Usurping an existing municipal structure, or whatever the hell you call an unincorporated township would have the benefit of transferring defacto control over the local government, rather than petitioning to be made a new one, or bending knee to the already operating one where ever you happen to set down. And also solves the issue paying out the ass to run utilities to your land, which if you want to use them or not, you're still forced to have access to. The other factor here is we need a way for people who aren't farmers to make cash, cobblers bakers, tailors, disabled NEETs and god knows what else. Though I don't really know a good way of addressing that particular issue, at least setting clear boundaries of what they own and what you own from a legal stance saves the issue of their headaches becoming yours.
Communes don't work, especially when you're not related, even marginally as even american mutts are going to come from all sorts of different places.

That's what they did to the guy who tried this shit near Fiji.

Gotta watch out for smokers at least

Ok anons I can't believe this thread showed up. My best friend and I are looking at several locations out west where the land is cheap and the restrictions for building are nill. The main problem is water and power. We both decided we either needed to get better jobs or get a few more people to make it work.

I ain't no fucking anarcho-anything, I'm full-fledged natsoc, along with most of my extended family. No skinhead larping, I just redpilled everyone long ago before the redpill had a name.

Less epicurean commune, more seed of a new societal pattern, take elements of something like that- although it's kind of pointless to even approach it in that manner, as folks used to be like that back when societies were homogeneous or at minimum highly segregated (like 50 years ago or less for a lot of areas, the nogs don't like to live in the mountains), you might have one tractor for several farms, you are constantly borrowing and using things from each other, with the culture of trying to be as self-sufficient as possible to be as much of a community asset as possible, while realizing that it is not only necessary, but easier, and more pleasant to have a small community of like-minded and genetically similar individuals to rely on during our time on earth. We aren't niggers, we don't steal from each other because everyone stays armed and in practice with their weapons, not to mention that it goes without saying that people will associate people they like better, and avoid those they don't like.

I like this idea in a sense, although I don't see it happening the way we want it to during our generation. To do something like this, we really need gunboats, some way to defend ourselves enough from the outside world so that we can ensure a future for white children. Gunboats mean big money and an engineering complex of sorts, big money means we already need to have a bunch of homestead-units that are a part of a larger Reich, that can fund something like that.

I guess I'm suggesting that we re-invent the Fourth Reich into something like a much-more technology-friendly Amish-type group consisting entirely of redpilled people, making up a closed society that is completely self-sufficient to the greatest degree possible.

If we get fucked with, we're the monastery of truth, practicing (insert religion here), therefore no taxes you fuckers; alternatively, we reinvest at minimum the amount of taxes we would owe into the business, building full machine shops, carpentry shops, etc, etc, effectively owing zero taxes ever.

what if a shark eats it though?

The problem I have with this is the weather is shit in russia, and I don't want to gib up american power

I've read all that, My main concern is the abuse of power, it's why we find out selves having these discussions, I've been on some coops (like I said I did some traveling), I lived at a house with rainwater harvesting etc etc.

As far as homes go I have looked into every thing from adobe, intermodal shipping containers(I only like the aesthetics, as they are wholly impractical). What I think would work best is earth homes around 3500 seems to be a sweet spot, but I've spent most of my life living out of a back pack and in sub 1000 square feet, so I am personally willing to go pretty spartan tbh.

It's synchronistically funny you suggest Tenn. as kek has been calling me there, I've got some people around there, the hwndu flag was found and captured, and before then Tenn. has been on my mind it's one of the few states I've never actually stopped in to hang out but the deep south seems like it's over ran with niggers.

As far as money goes, farming hemp and marijuana could be a way to go (legally of course) for a crop as well as what I previously mentioned (farmers market surplus)

After all logistics are taken care of there is the constant threat of the FBI setting fire to our shit and waco'ing us.

Then there is the realm of services, a restaurant, a WN summer camp, survival training, dude ranch( love me some equines tbh fam.)

The fuck are you going on about faggot?

Skills are fine to be honest, as long as you have a source (some one that knows or a book) it doesn't matter I've learned a lot out of field manuals and from talking to people and from following people.

This has been on my mind, it would be hard to argue against especially if we used sea trash as the base for it, we could expand by cleaning up the ocean, then not even libshits could complain.

Maybe, just maybe, you're too fucking self absorbed to see the world around you.

I really like where you've gone with your ideas user, we are very like minded.

Ideally there would be an network of homestead communities, and my plans I think are pretty self-sufficient e.g they would require our own medical and law and order but that's for some thing more than 100+ people to be honest.

Holla Forumssteading is what we should call this.

we could have builder teams (i.e any one can be apart of it if they have the will to work and the right genetic composite.

Keep trying to slide but you've made very little points with your replies.

Or maybe we can fix our own countries instead of running away to hide innawoods.

pick 2.

A great degenerate once sang

"I've never been so broke that I couldn't leave town"

Watch out user, at this rate you'll add namefagging to your plebbitspacing.

Nice ideas in this thread. Reminds me of the mountain community in Atlas Shrugged.

How would we stop meddling from the government though? They wouldn't like this.

go to mars or build under the sea.

If I am to be the fuhrer of my smallholding, I will make it official policy to be completely open and honest with all finances, running the entire thing to benefit the community as a whole- regardless of shills, I admire our Fuhrer's economic policy of helping uplift the common man to the degree that befits an Aryan. I would be forced to lead, not because I have any wish for any sort of power (I'd rather be a hermit if I didn't have my clan and my people to worry about), but because I can do it, and it needs to be done. That's how I had to approach becoming the patriarch of my family.

I don't wish to do this for my financial benefit; I'm willing to make that contractual. I wish for my fellow Aryans to live in the manner we were evolved for; nothing more.
My payment would be to bring my little blond-haired blue-eyed son, and any future children up in the environment I grew up in, that which is ideal for our people. I'm doing this with or without you all, merely offering the opportunity to help and to be a part of it. I wish to speak for the will of the people, for the people's benefit. I wish to lead only with the full consent of the people, being the leader simply because someone has to 'pull the trigger' so to say- and this is assuming that I am indeed the most capable to do so- I would willingly cede leadership if another man showed himself to be more capable than I. I want to take everyone's knowledge and use it for the benefit of the whole.

Basically, I'm mainly willing to teach people how to be of help until we raise up enough capital to build other facilities for various crafts, and wish to help everyone find their niche, that which gives them pleasure and gives the community that which it needs.

Eastern tennessee, is 100% white essentially, the south does have lots of niggers in places, but they seem to self-segregate in nigger neighborhoods, and avoid all the cool areas like forests and mountains.

I'm completely willing to live minimalistic as fuck just because that's how I live. I sleep in a van most of the year even though I have a house, because I like traveling, I like sleeping outside, and I dislike worrying with large amounts of possessions.

Maybe, just maybe, you're too fucking absorbed in your societal programming and your degenerate hobbies to see the filth this world has become, and the fact that we will never raise children that will become as the true Aryans we admire if we raise them in the cesspool known as modern society.

Mars is a part of the US now.

Just get a job with the government. If we were all in politics, we'd already be efficiently tossing the kikes off of a cliff into the sea, or into burning coal mines, or into volcanoes from helicoptors.

they'd have a tough time enforcing that.

who /perfectlife/ here?

We are the best trolls on the internet, and thats the best you've fucking got? Lurkmoar and raid elsewhere for xp.

How so? We've had the lead in the arms race in space since we decommissioned the Shuttle program. Note that at no time in american history, have we EVER given up a technological advantage or weapon system, without having had something better for several years already. The reason for the NASA cutbacks were because the Air & Space Force already had something better.

That's the biggest pickle there is, We've got a few options.

Religious freedom and protections via the constitution I.e Techno-amish (technology is good but it must serve people, not people serve it. I.e decentralized internet free of degeneracy.

Many of us would be able to convince a court of our religious status and esoteric kekism.

Then there is the route of working with the government, and possibly being given land, material and or equipment to do such things.

As for signing on to be serfs, any wage

do you mean become a politician or actually work for the government? two different things.

OP how will we be able to follow developments? I do not have citizenship but I'd love to check it out and lend a hand for a week or so sometime.

They'll have a prototype seastead up and running in the waters of French Polynesia in two years as a special economic zone. If it succeeds, future seasteads will be majorly invested and the technology will vastly improve that the costs for building or living on a seastead drop substantially.

As long as you have the money and the supporters, you can start any kind of government you envision. You can have NatSoc seasteads, Holla Forums seasteads, Aryan supporting seasteads, the qualities of any kind of government you can think of can be shown to the world with a seastead.

The best part is, the leftists seasteads will be the first ones to die due to their economic illiteracy. They'll have high failure rates that no one would be willing to emulate them.

And when NatSoc seasteads prove successful, the white world will be clamouring to emulate them.

Follow their fucking laws and make yourself a benefit to the community, as well as building your presence in an area so remote and impoverished, as well as 100% white, so that it would be a trivial matter to take over the local government or at least infiltrate it.

Help your neighbors. Bring boxes of vegetables and tubs of homemade pimento cheese to the local police station. Become active in local churches, regardless whether you're religious or not, just to cement the community together. Help make yourself a valuable member of their community as well as our own.

It ain't hard to drive to a big city 2x a week and sell tomatoes in the back of a fine dining restaurant, getting paid in wadded up 20s from the head chef, as long as you have the help and the marketing savvy.

118,000 lbs of tomatoes per acre. It takes humans and food to pick them, it takes gas/used vegetable oil taken as partial trade to get them to market, it's otherwise pure profit for the community.

I figure I'm putting my energy into trying to build this thing as opposed to trying to start a flame-war. I ain't trying to troll anyone right now, fam; I'm trying to breed as many aryan children as possible and let them grow up in a perfect aryan society. You should be doing the same as well, and if that is your aim, and you aren't a fucking jewish troll, then more power to you, honestly.

Tiny houses and or yurts gathered on large wooded acreage is my dream. 4 of my buddies, several greenhouses and gardens, and start a business

Yeah I shouldve specified. I meant "Work in a political position" whether it is an appointed or elected position, doesn't matter, as long as its a position that allows for advancement into roles in governence.

I am by no means an expert in seasteads but honestly it seems like a shit hole, I'd rather bury our selves in bunkers and wait for the ocean to restabilize it's self.

The other thing is xenofood sources, I'm talking mushrooms, bugs, cheap and non intensive crop, grubs for example are full of every thing you could possibly need.

There is much to be discussed

dubz of truth
PRAISE KEK

But in reality this is pretty close to what i want, inside space means little to me as I am a minimalist.

The buisness is surplus tomatoes, teaching white people how to farm in 6 weeks for x$ :^ it's the experience that they pay for, then once they come and go it's all "oh yea me and my husband went to this white nationalist bed and breakfast out in the country, they had horses, internet, independence, we are already signing up for the next community.

The population cap is probably the most important thing I think.

Try Alaska, seriously.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out a way for there to not be a serfdom in a sense, as I'm going to be out there in the sun picking shit every bit as much as anyone else is doing. I guess I'm aiming for it to work like a small community of yeoman farmers, and work it out on paper however we have to- I certainly want monetary jewishness to be verboten, and I certainly wish there to be a path for anons to come and put in sweat-equity and be a completely equal member with equal rights, within reason- something that isn't abusable. I wish to do this as I have had to essentially waste a good portion of my life gaining the necessary skills from scratch, and learn everything there is to know about this, just so it can exist for myself and for those who wish to live in this manner.

Exactly. We'll be growing the food anyways, so naturally surplus and scaling up a hair for more surplus to sell will be natural, but we must also look to other sources of morally-good income such as say teaching white people how to farm, NS bed and breakfast, etc. Basically, sell a bit of everything we have, from the food and livestock, to the peace of mind and serenity one gets from merely being in a place like that.
Not much experience with feeding xenofoods to anything but chickens, ducks, and guineas (excluding mushrooms, those are tasty and easily grown), it's pretty damned easy to grow staple crops, potatoes and sweet potatoes grow well, there are delicious varieties of field corn that have nothing to do with the empty nutrition of the Monsanto jew, and livestock generally do well on land that isn't suitable for row-cropping.

Also, catfish- one of the most efficient animals at processing protein, they can be fed basically corn and somehow get enough protein to grow well. And, they aren't picky, any of the offal we don't use can go in the catfish pond, anything too gross to feed to the pigs, goes in there. And fried catfish is a delicious southern delicacy.

Wtf is wrong with you? The ONLY reason people started to make those was to avoid zoning regulations for new residences. Now they're an overpriced fad. If you are in a situation with real land and you're not in a city, there is no reason to limit your space to such unhealthy nigger-tier levels.

I grew up in hurricane alley, in a prepper family, and thought everyone stored months of food and gas until I became an adult and moved out. I still do some of that shit. Stockplile ammo, lots of guns, plant a garden every summer, and can veggies. Need to do more, but land is expensive.

I'm not saying I would enforce a mandatory size limit for a house in the community, but I can understand staying in something small with a community like this.

I already kind of live like this anyways, we have a house to hang out in, with some bedrooms converted to art space, and I sleep in a van since it's cozy and I like sleeping outside.

If you live outside, you have more space than any house could provide.

No such thing user, all systems are abusable. What you need is a homogeneous society where everyone believes in honor, and anyone who doesn't gets stabbed.
You're describing a thing called a Town, a Town with communal farming. Apologies if I'm coming off as condescending here, but I've heard this shit for years. We're not reinventing the fucking wheel, we're just talking about basic city planning, while living in societies without it.

I take it you live somewhere without extreme climates… This simply isn't practical everywhere. Though, I also think that the push towards smaller living quarters is a ZOG scheme to drive us insane and keep us as serfs. Then again your "VAN" could be like mine and could fit two dozen if it had seats… considering armoring it honestly, I could add one inch plate to the whole thing and not even notice the weight.

Exactly! The system would serve mainly to provide a modicum of trust while the community is being started in case say I brought some outside anons in, and the entire intention is to build a homogeneous society with a bit of an agreed-upon framework so that our society doesn't ever get shitskins and can remove commie, mainly to interface with the laws we have to deal with nowadays.

I'm not even specifically advocating communal farming, I'm just saying that I will lead the way and let it be communal in practice until everyone figures it out enough to either do some of the farming on their own, or else comes up with some sort of craft or way to contribute to the society.

My main thing is for folks 'in' the community to not have to worry about the whole goyim sheckel business as much as one does in this modern society, kind of like how the amish has millions and millions of dollars in the bank and basically only uses it to expand and the like.

I'm drawn to small spaces for the comfy factor and would choose to be out of the house for most of the time anyway. Part of my idea is inspired from dorm life, where instead of a lounge we'd congregate as actual neighbors should in the courtyard between our homes. They don't have to be tiny or yurts that's just my preference for living sparingly and maximizing the outdoor space available. There could be shared toolrooms and such, dedicated tinker space. Perhaps an orchard.

I don't think the problem is really with the cities themselves, but how they're put together.

The high density of people is a marginal issue as long as people have 3 things:
If there's a grocery store within walking distance, you don't need to be wading through traffic or transit and congestion within the market would be dampened by the increased number of them required to give everyone proximity.
Basically the same issue as before: you shouldn't need to commute for an hour before working 8 hours and then commute another hour to call it just another day.
This is surely the most difficult problem of city planning but would have great results. The law doesn't apply in the same way in the country as it does in the cities, and for good reason. In the country, people can do hallucinogenic drugs and go out into the woods and be a bother to absolutely nobody. Nobody's bothered, nobody's victimized, nobody's charged with a crime.
The cities are quite obviously different. But if we could provide a large expanse with close proximity to the people in the city where they won't be bothered, crime would be much less of a bane in cities because people will do it away from other people. Just make sure they aren't used as a "command center" for criminals. Some enforcement would obviously be necessary, but only to keep crime to a tolerable medium and ensure it stays off the streets.
The obvious issue with this, though, is I'm basically arguing for a space with as low a person to land ratio as possible in a region with the sole purpose of achieving as high of population density as comfortably livable. Though I'm sure any of you can think of certain configurations where it at least makes sense at first glance.

True, I agree with all assertions, although I'll gladly sleep outside with a cold-weather sleeping bag in below-freezing weather. The whole push towards that is a scheme, just in my small bit of experience it's nice for an extended family to have a bit of communal living/cooking space, and still be able to retreat from the community if you want to bang your wife randomly in the middle of the day or something.

I'm mainly talking about the potential utility of something like that, for example, for an user to live in when he first moves in, while he builds a larger dwelling so he can start a family. I'm comfortable in a place like that, so I can say pull my van there with the RV, and immediately build a small house or three, for additional shelter for additional people, and upon completion we begin work on larger houses as the profit from that season's crop comes in, bootstrapping as we go up.

I'm fine if say someone doesn't want to hop in at the beginning and live on the hard edge while we bootstrap up, I wouldn't hold that against anyone, especially anyone who isn't a neet, has a good job, or has a wife/family.

Abandon the jewish nuclear family designed to produce worker drones for kike industry, return to traditional extended family structures which have sustained us throughout the the millennia.
Rinse and repeat for three or four generations. Turn your back 40 into a compound for you and your kin.

There you have it, incredible population density potential without any of the problems of living in a city,

That's one of the reasons I advised heading to a rainbow gathering, you'll meet people who already do this. At least 5-10% of them have homesteads in the middle of nowhere, usually people with a few kids. That and they don't use money. and about 30% minimum of veterans.

Essentially, we just have to win the culture war while setting ourselves up in positions of power, whether it's local government or through creating business.

Try homesteading the US you'll get harassed by Fed goons and will go to jail over BS charges. It's like homeschooling, the people in charge don't like it and will change the fact you're doing it.

was gonna reply, but what this user said basically.

I've been to rainbow gatherings in my degenerate past, the thing that really did it for me, was the combination of the fact that they constantly said "See, we don't need modern society at all!", while they were sleeping in nylon tents eating Great Value brand pancakes cooked on a Lodge cast iron griddle, while tripping face on LSD, which is a fucking SYNTHETIC drug in case anyone doesn't know; and the fact that their dogs they forced to be vegans hungrily sought out all of our carnivore shit, as we brought a gigantic amount of deer meat and said we were meatatarians to troll them.

I kind of view the whole rainbow gathering thing as a failed attempt at doing the same type of thing as I wish to do, failed by tolerating leftism, marxism, multiculturalism, and generally promoting drug use as opposed to viewing it as a sacrament used very infrequently at best. It always kind of makes me sad, so I broke completely away from those types.

Why don't we build motherfucking castles and deep underground labyrinths? Fuck all this building small bullshit, what are we, niggers? WE are the greatest race of builders to live and we can do incredible things with anything provided. The only reason the world is falling apart is because the kikes run the books and the shitskins are now the labor.
A Fort (western style?) or castle structure would accomplish everything you're asking for, while having the surrounding lands to expand for the population. You can build off of the interior of the main walls quickly, have protection from wind and storms, and a central courtyard.

Shares? You could offer shares at 50$ and offer people the right of owner ship?

A constitution would be a good start? I.e there are only two genders in new volkland

I love me some cat fish, noodling any one?

Yea I spent 7-8 years train hopping etc etc and I had the biggest house available. Once you break your conditioning almost any thing is possible.

Hence a population limit for one community.

I've got my own RV I'm working on so there is that as well, you could offer a lot for RV parking and sell spaces to tourists.

I was homeschooled just fucking fine and the state did a fine job making sure I had material to learn from.

I really fucking hate rainbowgatherings, rainbow people almost more than any thing to be honest, and it's just a fucking shit show for people to go get high in the woods and fuck.

There are no parallels between us and them.

I want to say you're wrong just to give my stupid ramblings some legitimacy, but I can't in good faith.
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The problem with homeschooling, which very well might not have existed when you did it, is that there is a requirement for standardised testing, which as we all know has been common cored. Even if it's in all ways an improvement, time and energy still has to be spent filling your kids brains with trash so you don't get waco'd.

I was checkin out distributism as an economic model. Was quite interesting and it really made me think (no, really). We have around
That means that globally if we distributed the land among the people, each PERSON would get 20 ares. meaning that usually a family would have around 1ha.
To be self-sufficient you need at most 3 are.

I never said not to, I've thought about that a lot honestly. We need to have defensive capability even if we never have the opportunity to use it in our lifetime.

I'm just talking about this fucking year, as I can get government gibs for the land and farm supplies, but nothing else. I can stay in a van while I put up a small jack shack, stay in the jack shack while I put in the crops, work on a larger house after that, and go straight to castle with labyrinth after that; honestly if we had surplus veggie oil and a hydraulic ram to form rammed earth bricks, it would be fairly cut and dry to make a giant castle, and essentially cost not much other than labor.

I fully intend to do something of this sort after I can get things bootstrapped up, I wish to do without the financial jew.

All valid points and great ideas, I can't think of all of it on my own. Shares and a constitution would be good, I'm not sure if it would be better to incorporate as a business, or a church, or a church that owns a business, I dunno.

The ramblings did have their own legitimacy; that being said, our ancestors had shit pretty well figured out when it came to community before the jews fucked everything up. My ideal is to have enough of a community where at any time, you can experience the sense of community as one would in a city, and at the same time, wander off in the woods and be alone in nature at any time. The scale would be small at first since that's the nature of things, and would tesselate out organically. Perhaps once we get to a certain level where we need industry, a large town proper would spring up in a central location among all the communities.

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What about making a large building out of multiple RVs connected by house sections and common rooms?, and For other folks a large tent longhouse serving as a common-room for individual tents surrounding it? The smaller tents open up into the large tarp structure serving as storage and bedrooms and possibly a small library? We did this back in Occupy, and it struck me as a reasonable idea for temporary housing while houses are built…

Well, theres two sides to the gathering. There are yippies who show up and fit the description you've given, but those are the equivalent of newfags who wander here from halfchan. They are not a part of the family, and they're "tripping face" because oldfags immediately megadose annoying newfags with acid so that they wander the fuck away while adults are speaking. If you do not have some manner of rep, or hold yourself appropriately, you will never see the real face of the family. The good shit is nowhere near the main circle. When I go to nationals this year, I won't be the only Esoteric Hitlerist at the gathering. Also, I brought ten pounds of bacon and a sack of grits, and the scent alone caused a line to form at the last gathering I went to. Maybe I just scare off the yippies with bacon and attract the real people.

How? I was homeschooled a few years before I turned 16, and they just sent me the tests in the mail. They were remedial at best.

You've missed the glory of Rammed Earth! You don't need that press at all! You just need to make some wood walls and prepare them to keep compression and tamp it down from the top, if you have the right mix. Though we can get better than that too, but I'm getting ahead of myself. I have a bit of experience with this type of thing, though not on any grand scale, but enough that I'm confident that we could build a fort pretty quickly. The key is to do it in stages… hmm, I might be getting too tired to continue this…

I've been working for about 3 years on memeing a meme religion (praise kek tbh fam) and it's been more successful than I could ever imagine.

So I think a religion is the best way to go, a core tennate of real world kekism would be isolationism from the mainstream. The woes of the world stem from this stream of constant disinfo, we do not wish to subvert it (lmao) but to live along side it.

That being said our religion would recruit by example, not by gospel. The Antithesis to Evangelical. In many threads we have seen Kek punish the wicked, those that speak out against us, those that are us have seen his blessing and received them know what I am talking about. Perhaps the right of free association?

Sobek for example is considered a guardian spirit that had the strength to fend off those that would harm the innocent. Just an example to be honest.

Hyperborean digits of truth! We must use tubes like hamsters!

Like I said. Common Core. Read about it.

Praise Kek
R.Vs are a great stepping stone intermediary between foundation housing, tents are for nomads that have to physically carry our gear. I think this would potentially work as a phase 1 of a multiphase plan, but connecting R.Vs etc etc is degenerate as fuck.

Further more we could be a community of special needs practicing self sufficiency and running with the autism meme.

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You mean Nigger Downgrade?

Kek does not belong to you or anyone. You do not meme Kek, Kek uses us to meme his will, and declares with digits what posts we pay attention to. Not you, not anyone else.

Most tests have switched to their special brand of newspeak. And if the jewish math wasn't bad enough, lord only knows what sort of absolute kikery is involved in the literature and history portions of those tests.

This mushroom farm has a one week program and a one month program for leaning how to do their stuff.

Geometry is the king of mathematics. Kikes can't do geometry though, so use tons of letters to try and explain basic shapes. Part of their insanity.

Just think if we removed all the undesirables, how much more land we would have. Manifest destiny.

You'd be shocked, at least in my state, the test can be proctored at home by anyone with a college degree, and a friend of mine's mom essentially just faked it for him so he could work while getting a free 'high school diploma' of sorts.

Checked, I can definitely seeing something like this working, the entire first phase would be essentially temporary in nature so a lot of different things could be done and will most likely be done.

Hmm, I remember reading about this in the past, I would explore the rainbow thing further if I weren't so furiously involved in looking for land/breeding the cash cow tomato variety while I look. Also, I've seen rammed earth done that way before, kind of like making concrete forms in a way with air-powered tampers. I didn't have enough experience with it to know which would be preferable, and when I thought castle, I thought giant blocks and parapets, hahaha

Of course, we could go that way and get tax write-off status hahaha, whichever way works. Maybe encourage newfags to apply for neetbux while they work and build up a dwelling, break new ground for a smallholding, and earn enough money to make the neetbux superfluous.

We need to figure out what the amish do to essentially exempt themselves from this, or for a backup plan, either figure out a way to essentially fake it while making sure our kids far exceed their standards, or else make our own in-house private (or charter for the gibs!) school. Then again, charter schools wouldn't work unless they allow religious charter schools, no reason why the School of the Temple of Kek can't exist if a Christian or a sandnigger charter school can exist.

I know this stuff well enough to teach it, and have in the past. For me, growing them isn't the problem, marketing is the problem really. Although I admittedly have a deficit myself in that department- I kinda lost the dealing with jews part when I gained the dealing with the earth part.

Hello again. It's, me the insane user, the one that wanders the twisted halls of the clearnet. Coffee user/DR. I was was wondering, how does one hold oneself properly among the family? I'm not afraid of getting megadosed as I have some sort of genetic tolerance to entheogens (Not cannabis though, even a bit fucks me sideways) but I'd rather err on the side of caution. I'm also working on home cider, Kvass (See embed), and other strange crafts related to brewing and herbal medicines.
Hell, I'm binge watching Jas.Townsend and Son episodes to see if I can learn Piemaking and other non-perishable food storage tricks like potted meat and Sauerkraut.

A spa with saunas and shit.

Neetbux could go either way honestly we would need a law fag to help.

Ok, farmeranon signing out for the night, if this thread drops off by the time I get done with the days tasks, perhaps I will make a new thread, or possibly a new board for the purposes of follow-through- I'm not shitting y'all about getting things going.

It's true, satan, the neetbux is something I threw out there to see if it could stick; honestly it wouldn't be necessary at all but I'm not above sticking it to the man a bit.

well if it were only hwites every family would have 10Ha. 10. you know how much land that is for a family of 5? And this is only counting arable land, no unusable poop.
My family on the dad's side (where we live) has a garden that supplements our groceries, we probably get 80% of vegetables from it. We also have some fruit trees (mostly apples and plums) and 4 chickens. They give us just the right amount of eggs (we used to have around a dozen chickens and would give 2/3 of eggs to our grandparents friends, but a lot of those friends died or were put in a nursing home). We also have a vineyard, yielding around 250litres of wine a year.
My mom's side of the family (they live around 20minutes of a drive away). Have a field with mixed vegetables (potatoes, beans, tomatoes,…). Which gives them enough for around 3 people. They also have quite a large pack of rabbits (around 20) for eating and selling on as well. They also have a vineyard, yielding around 400 litres a year.

Hello Satan! Always into comfort aren't we?
To any anons still here, I cannot recommend Jas. Townsend enough, everything he does food wise is historically accurate AND doesn't require Electrical!
Building an Earthen Oven youtube.com/watch?v=i0foHjPVbP4
Historical Cheesecake with No Cheese - 18th Century Cooking
youtube.com/watch?v=b1NOup3RvOw

Dubs of truth checking Satan trips
If the shoe fits
Kek sees what we are doing and he is pleased.
Like I have said I don't see much wrong with neetbux as long as it won't shut down the project.

Are rabbits better vs chickens though? We get eggs from chickens and they aren't cute and don't represent virility.

It doesn't matter who administers it. The thing that pisses me off is that fucking trash is there at all. The whole point of homeschooling is to protect my kids from this yiddish mind plague.

I think you need both a minimum number of students, and a recognised faith to really be accepted as a religious charter school, which I believe is how the amish do it.

Lobbying for less kiked standards is pretty much our only recourse, as oversight continues to get worse and worse for homeschoolers we can't rely on obscurity to protect us even if we find a loophole. It might be one of the few things we can actually count on Trump helping us with.

Like I said we're well beyond the point of being able to be recognized as a religion.

It wouldn't be hard to attract teachers either, offer a plot of land, exemption from 1/2 labor and I think they would flock to us readily.

If you build it they will come

I asked herbalist here to Provide me with a list of Herbs that would make cold brew coffee into a potent warriors brew. That made me Coffeeanon

Yeah, the form system is way better for walls. There is no good reason to use rammed earth bricks for anything IMO though, they're just inferior bricks. By the time we're ready for those, we might as well start baking real ones, it's not hard, especially if in an area with coal for fuel.
You can find people with spare acreage at the rainbow gatherings who would be willing and able to provide assistance. The actual family types are usually either already somewhat redpilled at least on race, and you'd be shocked by the numbers of trump supporters. There will be regional gatherings at the start of June and nationals at the start of July.

Hey! I thought you weren't going to be able to make it? Though honestly who knows what will be going on by fucking june/july at this point. Current year has been astonishing.
Be proud, helpful, and understanding? Confidence will let you walk into just about any group of people as long as you keep your feet out of your mouth. Personally, I carry a bag of candy to fling around randomly should anyone question me… maybe I shouldn't give advice while falling asleep. Good night my favorite friends!

I prefer chickens, better soup and eggs are more useful, more versatile in the kitchen. We had rabbits at out place too when I was little but then my grandma got a soft spot for them and we stopped having them. Both are pretty low maintenance, you basically feed them and clean where they sleep. Also it was suprisingly hard to multiply the chickens (by chickens i meant hens), they just wouldn't produce chicklets, even though the cock was fertile. Overall i would choose chickens, you get more eggs, and you can still have them for meat as well. With rabbits you only get more rabbits

Still amazed how after spending too many sleepess nights here leads to recognizing other posters. Had to state that before sleeping. fml like I'm going to sleep. Going to try now.

Lotz of digitz in here
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I had chickens and shit when I was younger but we didn't have them, just eggs, it was more a thing for me to learn how to raise.

Though what I think what I want to do is work with horses, I would fucking kill to lead out door expeditions, horses, mountain bike, hiking all that shit.

I got my start in Boy scouts and civil air patrol, mountain survival, first aid, search and rescue. Then as I got older I went through hard times and had to be self dependent which leads me to want to work in youth leadership courses. Maybe some thing of that nature.

I'm still trying to find the canada gathering. BC too. There's only so much an isolated neet can do to stave off the other insanities, I Feel like the Caretaker from Darkest Dungeon who has seen too much and is now a festering hole of Negative energy.

There is a lot of oils in pacific ocean and some islands are slowly submerging.

idk about horses if im honest. they seem to not be useful except being pretty cool. they require quite some space and maintenance, especially for their yield. In my country most people have them for touristy stuff, like commercial riding. If my goal was to have a self-sufficent farm i wouldn't have horses, cows/goats/sheep seem much better. especially because you can just have an ATVs for farm travelling, and in the long run they might even be cheaper than horses. I do admit it would be cool to have horses though.

Make no mistake, I just think horses are cool and I would try and gerrymander them in. But to be realistic they just need stalls, food and some one to work them.

The value they provide is intrinsic, they are teaching tools, manifest destiny etc etc. I am not talking about having a heard but maybe 5-20. Regardless I will have me at least one horse for my self one day.

Maybe if every thing falls through i will become a solo horse nomad.

why would someone go colonize some cheap ass place so once is good and built, get some nogs and shitskins into there, Alaska belongs to the ruskies sell back to them.

So I'm wondering are there any anons that would like to research different properties with me to find the best deal for acreage. I have already done some research myself, but I'm at work and can't post what I have till I get home.

I have no problem with horses honestly, mainly because their aged shit makes excellent mushroom fodder. That, and the coolness and small possible profit potential. I do tend to distrust most common horses; I really like belgians and I had a bro-tier welsh "pony" that wasn't really pony-sized when I was young, I've been around a lot of schisty quarter horses though.

I'll share what I have if you'll share what you have. I'm about to go to sleep essentially immediately, but I have been looking intensely.

Acreage in tennessee is cheap enough to bootstrap up from, $1000 per acre with timber value, and theoretically could be cheaper as well as better for farming if burned (there were recently extremely severe wildfires in certain areas in tennessee, due to the poor forestry management, it hasn't been allowed to burn in around a hundred years). That's the cheapest arable land of the highest quality I've been able to fine- soil is low in nutrients, but holds them well; good climate for growing most things, remote, good views, a pleasant place to live.

Some areas of georgia are comparable, if a bit more plain. I am partial to the rock outcroppings around stone mountain, like arabia mountain, almost as much as the appalachians. Groundwater is plentiful for both areas. South georgia would have the advantage of being able to grow experimental hardy citrus and bananas, the distinct disadvantage of more heat and fucking gnats. Too far north, and your growing season shrinks too much for me. I can deal with the winter if I had to, but I'd miss my okra and big slicing tomatoes, my satsuma mandarins and my tropical plants that eke by with 2-3 months of minimal unheated protection. Maybe I'm partial to my own area since I know all the surrounding biomes well enough to live out in the middle of them, but I did come to this objectively after autistically sorting through the acreage available by price per acre for acreage, and discarding those areas like the desert that aren't as efficient at growing food per dollar; 700 an acre dry as fuck land just won't grow the quantity of food per dollar paid for land as 1000 an acre rainy hilly land that I can terrace like a ricenigger and grow my crops on it anyways if that's what I have to do to live the way I want to live.

Arkansas is also a good place to get land cheap as they have a population problem and are trying to attract people. The place with the cheapest land by far is Texas but most of it is desert.

I'm in Oklahoma, and been thinking about moving out to the Ozarks. What are the best parts of Arkansas, there or further south?

Read Christopher Alexander's The Timeless Way of Building and Jane Jacob's The Death and Life of Great American Cities. Jacob's something of an early hippy but both cover the inherent good of traditional living and how the modern architecture of cities directly impede it. Alexander will provide you a lot of ideas for structuring public/private space and the general layout of the commune. He was one of the foremost critics of postmodern architecture, a true traditionalist. Also happened to be a big inspiration for computer science.

buy a travel trailer and a truck/suv or a rv. problem solved. under $1000

Fucking hell. I went to sleep and the thread exploded.

I've got lots of reading to do now.

Do you know where to get a good pdf of The Timeless Way of Building? The ones on archive.org and libgen seem to have a bunch of missing pages.

I had me a number for a time growing up

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#Holla Forumsstead on rizon just made it

Cities need to be uncluttered as well. There is no way that everyone could live out in their own homestead, we are beyond that point population wise, which is why we need new urbanism and new methods of efficient space use.

I can only think back to late 1800s and the city beautiful movement, but modern mass building with steel and concrete kills any vibe for beauty.

You will get control either way. One thing you can fight for is how they are doing it and how much you know.
It is better to ask how to make perfectly self sufficient and effective city structure. There are efficient eco energies like geothermal. There is definitely better way of reusing waste than what we are currently using. Transport systems pretty much everywhere are inefficient.
Housing is also fucked. All proper cultural trends are also gone from modern architecture, while it not having any technical innovations. We are living in colored communist blocks.
Ok I need to get on Holla Forums and pick up some new city builder.

I've come to call my project Holla Forumsstead, Homesteading for civilizations.

The basic Idea is a population number is agreed upon as the absolute max number for 1 community.

I would ideally have these be as small as fucking possible in terms of population. I've come to 10,000 but I see no reason why it wouldn't work for any number.

This is going to hurt to read, I know. So brace your self. The reason cities are as they are is because of modern infrastructure. The car.

The one and only way to not get the urban sprawl is to do away with our headlong dependency on the personal automobile for every day life.

Do not get me wrong, I am the most pro-travel citizen you will ever meet, I rode freight trains, many many years. So I have come to a middle ground understanding in order to make this idea palatable to the masses.

1. Build off of the rail road tracks, it's imperative that we have daily commerce available especially if talking in the terms of a town of 10,000 people. The number one thing that comes from building off rail road tracks is locality to the interstates. The run hand in hand for most parts of the country. I've done some work scouting out locations and the like.

Now, if you are not going to have cars as your every day mode of transportation then what? Well the benefits to not building around the car are endless. We can have much more in much less space and make better use of it. Now I can not stress this enough, I did not and do not say we should get rid of cars all together, only that we remove our dependency on them. Moving large loads from the docks, we'd have our own trucks for taking things in and out of the community, our own parking bays for personal vehicles and every day life would be on feet or bikes.

2. By not having cars we can use land that would have been roads for farming, along side subterranean fungus, vertical farms and land for live stock (dat free range organic meat$ though fam)

3. There is a reason I submit a population number, it's not for what you would probably suspect, it's for social cohesion and quality of life. You need to be able to trust your neighbors, know your neighbors and work with your neighbors.

Any ways that's what i got to add for now.

I know you said you prefer the Southern Appalchian Area, but most of what you said that benefits that region also applies to the Olympic Peninsula. It is also very close to a huge and beautiful park. I've been all over, but I still believe that area has the best water, weather, and is by far the prettiest.

There is also the added bonus of joining the NWF.

Sorry for the delay just got off work, once I get home I'll be able to post links.

Ok anons, so I had this idea of starting a country. Yes I know this will be hard and I'm still in the stage of planning.
Although it sounds far fetched but I'm willing to "build an Island"

Bear with me, this would be a long process.

Currently there would be 3 stages to the process, probably more.
1. Build the Island and infrastructure
2. Write Laws and Constitution
3. Get people to move in

I was thinking instead of wasting space with dumping dirt and rocks, I could "Bury" Tunnels and then put dirt on top as levels, which I could then dig out.
I need info on the best material that is cheap for building material for the island and what type of base infrastructure that can be populated.
So far from my research I found out the depth to the floor would be about 1km, (Hopefully it's less)
For the basic infrastructure I was thinking concrete tunnles but I don't want them filled with mud/seawater, when placed down. Maybe they could be closed on both ends if possible and filled with materials for future use when opening the tunnels after completion.
There would be areas deticated for rooms for growing food.
Power generation could be a LFTR if cheap enough or maybe a solar power tower with floating mirrors.

Any ideas and information is appreciated

Yo guys im home and able to do research and post links so if you guys have any requests put them in now

If anyone has a particular size or price range it would help me narrow down my search.

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First piece of property, located in Arkansas

A Huge piece of land in Georgia for cheap, alot of brush and trees need to be cleared.

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next up is some land connected to electricity in Nevada.

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next up we have a nice piece of property in Wyoming

Beautiful video friend watching it now.

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Nice open land in Oregon

these are all ones i have saved already if you have any specific request i can look them up

stop spamming plz thnx

If someone else starts and organises a new Namibia I'll happily pack my bags and leave Australia for wherever we are to go.
I'm sick of degenerate city life.

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Another plot in Wyoming

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I'm tired of the city

Ya have to do the math, How many people, how much land, divide the land among people for living i.e houses, shops, schools, hospital(if big enough) Then you have how much living space per a person or couple or family, the type of housing etc etc etc etc

im trying to make all of my post 40 acres or more if you want i also have some smaller plots saved as well. Also im getting close to the end of what i have saved so if anyone else wants to contribute or suggest something it would be much appreciated.

OP here. Just putting in the last of my 40 hours for the week.

Cheap land is easy to find, but the things we'd have to worry about zoning, utilities, federal regulations, and a myriad of other things before we could ever even put up a tent on the property. Part of our research will have to be in finding out what they will legally allow us to do, because some states might have some bullshit laws saying 3 or more unrelated peoples living on a piece of land without a house on it is some kind of felony, or some shit.

There's a ton of other shit to talk about and a lot of things I want to write up, but I'll hold off until I can dedicate my full attention to this thread in a few hours.

Assuming we can get the land and pop up some structures quickly enough, one thing to consider is that living simple for a period could easily reduce the need to dive straight into becoming a full-blown farming community. Once the land is bought, the taxes will be low enough that we could simply live without certain ammenities for a while. Even if it means eating ramen noodles for most meals and drinking filtered rain water, there won't be a need for a ton of income.

Consider also, that we have been conditioned to believe the that ideal path forward is constant personal expansion: Bigger salary, nicer car, bigger house, bigger pool in the back yard.. Bigger, bigger, bigger. More, more, more.

Even the meme of entrepreneurship is fundamentally built around the idea that you'll eventually make a ton of money, build more businesses, franchise out, make more money, and by then, you're ready to retire into your golden rocket mansion…

Well, what if we don't need to go bigger? What if we hit that base level that meets all our basic needs (food, water, shelter, waifus, internet) but all we really have to generate is a couple thousand in income? We'd already have our homes on our land, surrounded by people we like that we chose to live with… What else would we need?

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Last really big one from Utah

Could permaculture be possible with a gutter in an underground tunnel?

Most of the ones i have posted are open zoning and pretty much away from most people, and i try and keep it below 25k

Smart man. You're definitely in the right mindset, then.

Thats all i have for property over 40 acres and isnt in the middle of the fucking dessert, i have others but they are all in Texas or Nevada.

A whole lot cheaper too

Whoever is looking at properties, cross reference locations with the nuclear war locations, if we're building this place we might as well make sure we don't get caught near fallout zones.

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sorry forgot about this one in Maine. I may be wrong and this could just be timber property but it is a good investment anyway

shit i didnt think of that thanks, any other thing i should take into account

Nearby water, average yearly rainfall, temperature variation. I'd prefer to be near a creek or river but I'd settle for a few dams and good rainfall.

That's all I can think of.

Underrated post

You know if it wasn't for the fact that the whole state is desert Nevada would be perfect

all the ones ive posted have the average temps, ill need to do some digging on the other two.

also if anyone would like to help me it would be much appreciated.

Am I in the wrong thread?
Should I start a separate thread related to this?

i think this is a homesteading general so i think your ok.

I think the two are pretty related so it seems fine to stay here.

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Here is one in Texas just as an example

on average an acre of land in Texas will run you about 150-300 dollars it seems

Ok thanks

Is raising a family included as well? Like parenting and discussion of that sort?

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Another from Oregon

This is actually still common in Bavaria. You get small clusters of a few houses all family owned on farming lands.

I want to start a big family out in middle of nowhere. Just sorting business shit to support it first.. People saying there are no jobs out there, if you work for money you have already lost. Make your money work for you. Sure you have to make some first though… and you can do that from home if you're smart about it. Fuck traffic and fuck working to the clock like a zombie.

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Another big one from Utah

I'm hoping to do something similar too just a bit more expensive :P

The stuff you're talking about is good stuff to have in mind. Homesteading, in any sense will have to involve some amount of growing our own food and managing our own resources. Even if it just turns into greenhouses and aquaponics, that's still something we need to hold as a goal. The less stuff we have to go out and buy from a supermarket, the better.

It's something that will need to be acknowledged, but that's a little further down the line. Sad to say, but I doubt most Holla Forumsacks will be bringing their wives and children with them. Attracting good women and starting families with them is something we'll need to figure out.

Since architecture and city planning are also prime topics in this thread, there's things to be discussed about the way space is used in a house, in regards to containing a family. This also means keeping space available to build out our homes and build new homes for when children come of age.

The hugest benefit to families I see with a small-town mentality is that both the Father and Mother can afford to spend as much time as possible with their children. This not only means a healthy relationship, but it's proven to help mental maturation and emotional stability.

It looks like you guys have been thinking about having the same life that I've been wanting. My plan is to get this COMPUTERSLOL degree and hopefully find a high paying job and save like a motherfucker. I have no practical skills though, and I suck at college and will be an old man when I eventually get enough money. Oh well.

THe problem i am running into is the size of the lot verses cost, it is really limiting the states i look at, anything over 1000 an acre get fucking redonkulus.

do you guys want to see any of the desert properties?

what a waste of double dubs

That's the heartbreaking thing about it, user.. This is what everyone wants. It's what everyone has always wanted. Everyone you know has dreamed about moving out to the quiet countryside to live a simpler, more honest life.

The idea of friend mansions or communes are founded on the deep-rooted need to surround yourself with a small, loyal tribe of friends and family.

I've been meaning to write up some stuff about tribalism. Maybe I'll get around to it and dump it in this thread. At any rate, I think the reason everyone in this thread is instantly in agreement and on board with starting a town with a bunch of random faggots from a shitty laotian shadow puppet theater website is because we all desperately want to belong to a honest community. I think people like us badly need a refuge from the collapsing modern world. We want out from the trap that we were dropped in at birth.

Go for it, but consider condensing it to one bigger post, rather than multiple small ones.

I'm looking for the most space and resource efficient methods with everything so that we can achieve maximum production efficiency.

For example the image I attached is an idea for using clay pot irrigation. I'll need to test them to make sure but this is just some ideas. I already know about the potato in a cube, I'd like to figure out how to do it withot making a mess and maybe even have a "Set" which can be easily relocated with a forklift and production continued elsewhere.

Here's a thread I attempted to cuckchan if you want to take a look, I had to go to sleep so I couldn't stay on, next time I'll make one at a better time.

>archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/117944032/#117944032

I'm doing something similar but instead of just saving money I'll start a business. (Hint: Look into the security side of things, it's one thing every business needs and it's not saturated yet, as far as I can tell)

kk

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any i know they are all from the same site im about to go a Googlen for some other properties

I just want to have a micro nation that won't fall to degeneracy with the freedom of family, privacy and security.

It's a big dream but I'm willing to at least try. I just need help with research and ideas.

Maybe we should have some sort of place to categorize everything such as farming, construction etc. maybe a board dedicated for this? or is there another way? I just don't want it to all get lost/ dead/ subverted

we could just make a homesteading board if we want but i don't know if that is necessary

So general question what should be my upper limit when it comes to pricing? do you think 25k is to low?

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oh and here is a property in Colorado

Maybe, I'd like everything to be organized tbh.

Or else we'll have to look through threads to find certain information.

Also there was an Australian Discord on homesteading but the owner of the land never came back. It was started on cuckchan, I think someone reported him to the council and he got spooked

true, should i make the board then?

A lot of it and similar job are moving to the work-from-home concept. As long as you have good internet, you don't have to drive to work.
So those kinds of jobs are the only ones viable for living out of the city.

Actually, the REAL answer is an arcology.
A SMALL, self-sufficient town.

Let's see… In order of priority

I wouldn't jump the gun just yet.

I remember hearing about Peter Thiel being involved in the Sea Steading Institute. The basic premise is a community in international waters and increasing the number of countries. This seems like a viable option if you can find a decommissioned oil rig in international waters that you can buy, retrofit and populate with tenants.

For me personally I find homesteading attractive when you consider using new technologies. It's becoming more and more evident that you can decentralize everything in your life. Solar capture, battery energy storage, vertical farming, digital currencies, 3D printing, satellite internet ect.

I mean, you may meet some friction and have to make some compromises but you could star "tech-steading" right now. Start growing your own food, butchering your own animals and replacing your currency with 3D printed precious metal coins and bloc chain digital currencies.

All that said, I'd still want to live close to a modern hospital and emergency services. There is only so far off the grid I'd be willing to go and if I wanted to go into town for a nice dinner I'd like to be able to. What I'm purposing isn't extreme and only a portion of authorities would really try to stop or stall you.

Sure Go ahead.

Make a guide for creating new threads something like:

[TOPIC NAME] Thread #1

or something like that.

Here's my priority:
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Then the rest follows

Right now is the planning obviously and I'd like to get that completed so then I at least have an idea of how it would work.

This is why I'd like to have things organized.

Farmeranon reporting in after my trumpensleep.

Just woke up, I've considered the ozarks as well, I suppose I'm not as familiar with the area if that makes any sense.

That's one of the big things (groggy, just woke up if I sound a bit slow), have it where it is completely superfluous to have a car for any purpose except to interface with the outside earth, the entire point of which is to minimize, outside of occasional personal visits and whatever deliveries we have to have to the nearest large cities, the use of automobiles to the greatest degree possible.
A small, shared motor pool consisting of a few old diesel benzes, a pickup truck or two, possibly one for legitimate on-farm uses, and a couple school buses/retard buses for making bulk deliveries of whatever to town, ideally keeping it full both ways.

Some interesting links on group sizes
quora.com/What-is-ideal-population-size-of-a-sustainable-civilization-nation-community
howtosavetheworld.ca/2009/03/18/the-optimal-size-of-groups/

I'd say have a group around 150 that will expand to around 500 which will then be split and another town created

I created a boar called /island/ Where I'll post my ideas in certain topics and related stuff that is useful.

Also my idea of running a micro nation would be having decisions agreed on by groups.

something like:

1 vote per family will go to the group that family is in.

then the group will calculate the majority and vote that for the decision

Family -> Group -> State (If large enough population) -> Council -> Ruler (Depending on the founders )

A constitution would be a must.
And anything the could possibly lead to degeneracy will not be allowed to be voted on such as, individual voting (Promotes Selfishness), Refugees of a different race (and religion and even then the refugees would be attempted to be removed ASAP). Indecency etc.

There are two problems that always impede a Holla Forums village that I've seen:
The plans for where it's going to be are out of the way. Russia? Africa? Germany? Why not fucking ohio or some shit jeez.
Usually most of the people interested, including myself, are not in the stage of life where they could start that. Having a wife for example.

Because Ohio is expensive as shit. i know i live there

average price is 12000 an acre

plus all the good farm land is owned and being used

I don't think anyone here is thinking about moving outside of America for this. I'm fully in agreement though. The cost alone for moving out of the country would prohibit pretty much all of us from getting anything started.

Packing everything in a truck and taking a road trip is something most of us could easily do.

As a thought, since there's been a lot of talk about the Rainbow Gatherings, could something like that be a good first step towards organizing and testing the waters?

Point is somewhere in America where people actually live, not Alaska

7500 actually

Sounds cool

no its all hippie shit

hmm ill have to look it up, my family paid over 150k for a ten acre farmhouse

I mean a Holla Forums gathering.

Ah well that is completely different

Fucking a
Anyway, this idea seems pretty great
If a Holla Forums ack already has land and is willing it would be exceptionally easy to organize, otherwise we'd have to rent a field

I don't agree with your thesis on cities, but you are on to something here. Something bigger.

Our "modern" world seems geared, more and more, at all levels, to transfer wealth into fewer and fewer hands.

Try WWOOFing. I recently did a stint on a homestead and were it not for my job would have stayed for weeks working on my skills. I also stumbled across someone who was moderately redpilled on a few topics, to the point where one of the commies called him out for talking 'like a fascist'.

Well it had a house on it m8

no it was for the land the house had been abandon for something like 20 years and was falling down. we had to bulldoze it, Of course this was years and years ago and i could be remembering the price wrong.

anyway back on topic, so it seems the place to get the most bang for the buck is either Utah or Wyoming. Thoughts?

i think im going to see if there is any property with a well already dug, wish me luck!

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A couple from Colorado

I would like a board just for this as well. Very interested. I'd like the entire point of the board being a perpetual project of showing progress of the board's actual settlement and projects they're working on.

Everything should be by the book though. You'd have to be connected to city power, even if you're not using any of it. Technically they can say your home is derelict if you don't have city power connected to it. In a more red state with less zoning ect. it'd be much easier. You'd have to select your location very carefully. Probably outwest in a place like Montana or Wyoming. Australians and Americans are probably best countries to try to do something like this and for various reasons.

Depends how close to the city it was though too.

My family paid around 300k I think with a rundown house, but it was on the border of a big city

yeah this was literally in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, it was a 25 min drive to get gas.

Gentrification is a cycle, and one that follows the rest of civilization. As soon as a city reaches its peak, it feels it has the luxury and duty to accommodate shitskins. They come in and make it shit and the whites that let them in leave. Eventually it gets to a point where whites come back and rebuild and make it nice again.

(sorry for possible samefagging, trying to read where I left off and reply to what needs replying to)

I've thought of it, the climate is similar but kind of inverse in a way, it almost gets warm as opposed to almost getting cold, but the minimum temperatures would be the same. I'm open to ideas.

Thank you for your research, user.

That's kind of the intent in a way

You have the right idea, I was looking for 30 acres as a minimum, but that was before the idea of including anons in the project. Ideal would be that much with potential room to expand, and ideal ideal would be to have both butted up against public land that we could simply walk to for hunting/enjoyment purposes.

Tennessee is fairly lax about zoning codes etc, and temporary agricultural housing is more lax than normal housing iirc. I understand what you mean about building it and not having to become a full farming community off the bat, that's how it would work in practice; that being said, farming in a creative manner, direct to market farming is what I would do as a hobby if I was retired however, and I have lots and lots of experience doing it in a very creative, efficient, and enjoyable manner, so we'll at least have a couple acres ready to grow fall crops for us this year and a few more than that for market crops next year if we get on the ball with it. BTW, I know how to eat *much* cheaper than ramen noodles, 50 lbs of bulk potatoes cost 10 bucks here for example. The food ain't the issue, and I know the way.

Sorry, was asleep. It theoretically could be possible, I've thought about having pit greenhouses for fallout protection usage before. Really, in practice, it being worth our time to do is a lot different thing than being profitable to do to sell for market purposes.

Very true, that being said, if we had some sort of comfortable underground structure, and pit greenhouses connected to said underground structure, and ideally a decent amount of preserved food, we'd be 100% fine in any situation. I'm not as scared of fallout as people tend to be, as I have a giant stock of iodine and I'm willing to eat lots of potatoes since that's the highest calorie per area of land crop in a possible nuclear winter type situation.

Seconded being near a creek, I can do fucking magic when it comes to water collection in reference to permaculture, that being said, having existing groundwater means that it'll be that much easier.

I wouldn't get mad at you for discussing family, it's the entire point of the whole thing honestly.

I'll have lots of room for folks growing tomatoes at least, in a couple of years when the late blight starts becoming early, we'll be the only game in town when it comes to actually decent tasting tomatoes, so we'll have room for that.

Exactly.

The difference is I'm stubborn enough to force it to happen, like I've done with everything else in my life. Y'all are welcome to come if you are willing to put in the work.

Maximum price for the easiest loan is 300k, maximum price for the biggest land loan I can get through the USDA is 1.6 million iirc. Ideally it would be as cheap as possible to start, as we can always buy more land.

I've gotten a lot of those in progress already, I got all the knowledge I would need, and everything to get set up initially except bulk soil amendment and bulk seed. Really, the absolute most helpful thing anyone could do for my project is to spam out plots of land for consideration tbh.

Sounds about right when it comes to population size.

Dixie works fine for me, there's plenty of areas in dixie that have zero niggers. I got kids and shit and I'm literally going to do this with or without anyone else, I already got a clan of redpilled autists hahaha.

Correction, all farmland that is suitable for jewish nigger monsanto farming is already taken. It's easy as fuck to grow extremely high yields of very nutritious food on what is considered "marginal" land, as long as you are willing to work as hard as our ancestors living on the foothills of the alps.

I could theoretically do it, parking would be almost more problem than finding the land.

Anyone who wants to learn farming is welcome to help on the farm and learn the skills in an explicitly redpilled environment, if not stay there for that matter.

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if anyone wants to make general threads here is the board i made

I think for anything to actually happen, it would have to start extremely small. Someone either already lives in a rural area or has a vacation home or can buy one not too far from a small town. Then he invites friends regularly. So it is just a regular house that multiple people vacation to. Then maybe a couple people start living there full time, telecommuting to work or are some web programmers who survive on contract work. Other people continue to vacation there and work the land, installing more and more stuff to make it self-sufficient. Once you get to the point where more people are living there, then you expand with more rooms and buildings. In the mean time since you are not too far from some sort of civilization, you don't have to become purely independent until later on.

well im saving money right now, and i was planning on getting 20 acres here in about 6 months.

well im hitting a wall here alot of these are call for information so i dont know what is good

Why can't we all just build a farming community in Chile? Cheap land, quality dirt, already has a history of shoving lefties out helicopters.

if any anons want to get a hold of me my email is [email protected]/* */

Do you think a brit with no qualifications would be able to move to the states if he had a bit of money to buy land for farming? Some of the lads in the britpol thread have been talking about homesteading.

Good bread, anons.

Back home.

I'll be honest, when I made this thread, I wasn't expecting a reaction this strong. I understand why I got one, but the overwhelming flow of informative responses and genuinely intelligent discussion going on here is still a truly wonderful sight to behold.

The digits are icing on the cake that speak to the quality of this thread.

Make this thread a general, otherwise you'll never get anywhere, it's what always happens here.

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im just re posting because i have a general thread up right now.

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wrong link sorry

The one file per post limit makes it really difficult to pdf dump, could you change it to something like 5, please?

Im going to dump some pdfs and infographics there every day until it gets some steam, so being able to properly dump every day would really help me on this quest.

sorry thought i did

all fixed

I guess I'll dump some pics that are related to this subject.

Can't grow shit if a neighbor is caring birds outside in the trees and bird homes, it pecks at your garden looking for seeds.

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I'm a little babby with no life experience, but I like to work hard and learn pretty quickly. What's something I can do to be useful in one of these communities? I don't make very much money, so preferably I'd like to learn something that doesn't have an extremely high start up cost before we're ready to drop a bunch of cash on a plot of land and get to work.

Learn to cobble shoes, tailor clothes, some kind of medical skills beyond first aid, or how to make weapons. All these things will never lose their value.

well we are just in the very beginning stages right now. So anything could help, Maybe do some property research?

Checked. Roger that. I think it's fairly easy to learn how to do basic smithing work with a backyard charcoal grill forge. Some /k/ommando had a thread going where he was going to share his wisdom, but I think he has forgotten about it or is much too busy. Apparently handmade knifes can go for $500 a piece, easily. If you know what the fuck you're doing, anyways.

Fuck me. Knives. Not knifes. Being exposed to rampant niggery with the advent of the internet has not been good for my literary skills…

I'd like to remind anons to keep this an individual effort irl rather than a global one online (aka planning and gaining experience with the whole deal by yourself and with friends/family) as things shape up because people aren't infallible and mistakes will be made and leaders might be in it for reasons other than the wellbeing of the human race. Plus nobody will do anything for free for you.
One thing we can do is research this topic and have experienced anons give us tips and advice which can be capped and saved onto the pol archive for future reference.

On another note, I know for sure that you can make alcohol at home and you can use it to power pulse-jet motors that you can also build for cheap in any home in any situation at any time. I also know for a fact that organic conical archetypes like vid related can be used in the design to transform the turbine thrust into power that can be sent to a drive shaft, that if geared properly, can be used to run a generator, power a small rotary aircraft or even power an automobile for no money whatsoever.

These are always comfy threads

Last night I mentioned "Maker Spaces" which are a thing that are starting to pop up across the country. They are a sort of shared workshop for various types of "makers" which just means people who like making things as a hobby, so it encompasses everything from old school smithing, to sewing, to 3D printing.

One of these places I found out about is a 40k sq ft warehouse in Boston that's split up into all kinds of sections where people can pay to rent out a personal workspace, while also having near total access to everyone else's equipment, with permission. Makes for a cost effective way to get access to certain kinds of machines and equipment that would otherwise be too hard to find free use of, or too expensive to purchase for a small-time hobbyist.

The reason I bring this up is because this Maker shit is easy for normalfags to understand. "I make things and sell them." It's also a good excuse to buy some land and develop it a little by building smaller workshops and investing in power tools and carpentry equipment.

Likewise, if you're living in a distant rural area, the cost of living is drastically reduced, meaning you also don't need to sell or e-beg as much to stay profitable. Peaceful living dedicated to honing one's craft. No one would question that. Then there's the makerspace thing, which lends further credibility to the idea. A few people who just want a space to work on their stuff while only paying minimal rent? Who would question that? But, I mean, there's only so much space, so we built some "tinyhouses" (not actually tiny) on the property, because we're clever buildy types who make stuff for fun. Also, the power grid out here is kind of spotty, so we installed some solar panels. And well, some of our people like gardening, so we all built a greenhouse and now we grow some of our own food… And would you look at that, some of our friends got married and now they are raising a child on our "makerspace".

As a stepping stone towards the larger goal, it not only reduces the incredulity locals might have towards a group of random people living together, but it naturally builds outward towards further self-sufficiency. And until we get a full-blown farm town going with annual harvests and such, we have the various tools and equipment steadily acquired which allow us to build and repair anything we might need, reducing costs and promoting a self-sufficient mentality.

Just something that was rattling around in my head this morning.

This, you don't have to Innawoods, AK to achieve self-sufficiency. Ideally we should just gather with like-minded friends and pool resources in the most efficient way possible, which can be just a big house with shared tools and garden. Farming is better done as a group.

Why do people keep listing places that are absolutely HORRIBLE!? FYI Eastern Oregon is death. Bitter winters, wind, and NO RAIN. You're not growing enough food if you live there.
Wyoming… -30f in the winter, winds up to 80mph, not a whole lotta rain.

The guy from dixie was pretty much the only one planning this seriously. It went from finding arable land to plastic islands and barren stretches of grasslands out west.

I still stand by the idea of taking over an existing town. Such as the coal mining communities that were left to rot after the steel industry moved to china. As long as we're the majority we have de facto control over the local government and don't have to worry about communist distribution of space when everyone owns their own shit and more wealthy anons can simply directly hire less well off anons to work the corn fields, while still providing space for small garage workshops or just people living nearby but working normal jobs that they commute to.

What a horrendous tileset. Just use fucking ascii, anything's better than that monstrosity.

What right do we have to force our ways on the native whites of these towns? This is the tactic of our enemies, we can do better.
There are entire fucking towns for sale across the world. Too bad were not in spain, half of the best land in Galacia is up for sale, whole villages for the price of a house. Back to the USA though.
huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/towns-for-sale_n_1761217.html
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Those towns have been empty for going on 50 years now, if anybody is left to be forced upon is old lady walkaski and her two dogs. They're not even small towns, they existsed litterally only for the mines that not longer run, so there's no quickymarts, no movie theaters, no walmarts or anything else to keep them afloat, which saw them abandoned to a man when the steel industry died out. They're ghost towns in every sense of the word, but modern enough that they're already municipal units, and hooked up to utilities saving us $100,000's.

Even if all of the above was not the case, I have zero issues with colonizing cuckservitives and taking what's rightfully ours for the future of white children. They can go vote Jeb! somewhere else.

fucking checked
list some properties and locations that you would prefer most then.

I think the easiest way to set something up is simply for someone to buy some land or nice property, or eprhaps already own some, and then make a thread for some people to come over and visit.

A lot of this isn't listed coherently online. That is a lot of the land is still held by individual families and listed lot by lot on all sorts of different sites. I plan to do some driving around this summer visiting prospectives personally, and checking county offices for leads.

This is the most important thing for me. Too many of these plans require a major investor and the good will of that investor. And even those that don't leave us SOL when there is no land available next to whichever farm get sets up first. Small cheap plots one next to each other give us a chance to buy in as feasible, starting out likely with well off lolbergs willing to eat the risk, and branching into Natsocs buying in as the community becomes more established and proven. Hell, I'll even take NEETs getting autismbux as they can afford the low costs and deny the spot to nogs and spics.

A side benefit of this plan is that a lot of these mines were in and around Appalachia, so are very near to viable farming land. Even if it's an hour drive from Davidstown to Hydesville we can still easily pool resources and support each other, with more agrarian minded anons having their large farms, and more industrial minded anons having their small houses near the mine.

Your digits do make a point. Honestly, if we played our cards right, some of these places would welcome us. I used to live in the backwoods of PA, and every 20miles is another old coal or steel town that's barely alive, and would welcome new blood if just to have someone to marry their daughters and stay nearby. Also, a number of us have ironworking skills, and living in a place with an abundance of coal would make things far more practical.

Eagerly watching this thread, my plan was to eventually fuckoff to alaska or somewhere else with no property tax and make a homestead but a community of like minded anons could be cool as well.

Some distance and isolation from the degenerate cities would be a good thing in my mind.

Now Pedos would love this. Pirates too

There's also that aspect too. Plenty of folks would jump over backwards if it meant they could stave off the death of their hometown that much longer.

I meant us having two settlements. One in the mountains that anyone could afford and one with a higher buy-in cost but with far better soil. Anons who wanted to go one route or the other would still be within spitting distance of each other. Really that's more about coordinating with the farmers than trying to split the tribe.

But either would be a fair distance from the nearest kike hives, so win win.

FYI if the confederates had decided to hole up in the Appalachians, the civil war would still be ongoing. Both sides admitted as much. It is one of the most defensable locations in the Nation. We would do well there, plenty of hunting, fishing, and trapping and good weather for growing crops, with enough natural resources at eye level to sustain cottage industry. If this gets going, regardless of if I choose to live there or nearby, I could show the NEETs how to make money off of the land. The forests are full of Burlwood (tree worts) which are hard and good looking and if you get the small ones (walnut size) you're helping the tree by removing it and can make 3pendants out of each. Next, furs and bones from hunting and trapping, EVERY bone has value if you clean and dry it right, especially skulls, teeth, and knucklebones.
Next there's also plenty of minerals and coal if you're not looking to do an industrial mining operation. You can't drive down the highway without seeing coal and iron on the sides of the hills that were cut into. Also, it's easy enough to dig a fishpond and have it fed by a stream.

No natural gas pipelines and well water are fucking a disaster in rural areas

ive found some old mine town and some old mines for sale

It's not thempipelines, its the fucking fracking. The motherfucking reason I left PA was because fracking killed my well, and since I was renting the land, I got no payout check to cover the shit, and with no attorney money, I was fucked. Lost my car even and had to walk seven fucking miles for water, because the well was dead and degenerates were dumping shit into the streams, so I couldn't even drink that. Fracking is designed tp destroy rural communities.

This, it's too sparse for (((them))) to have much interest in the region, but it's positively vibrant for a small group like us. Folk crafts sold off on etsy would at the very least provide some supplemental income, if not outright sustain a lot of us. Ease of hunting and fishing, could help keep food costs down, and draw in all kinds of people, particularly our friends from /k/.

The lax guns laws, cheap booze, and strong moonshining tradition are only icing on the cake.

If it looks promising, go ahead and start posting. I'm going to hold off and avoid throwing around too much input on exactly where to look until I've seen some of these places with my own eyes. Maybe even talk with dixie about coordinating a town near enough good land. I'd really prefer something in OH or PA, as a snownigger I'm not built for heat. But there's a lot of room for compromise here.

it's ok, you have people like me that have no education but only skills, I think that's what hitler was going on about in mein kampf.

You used to be able to have a humble life, i think those days are behind us.

It'll only get you so far, I know from experience. You have to diversify. Sell your best stuff on etsy, and take the simple stuff to tourist traps and fairs, and hope that gas doesn't gobble up the profit. Tourists have no eye for detail or quality, and will pay the same $20 for the simplest piece you have as they would offer for the 100+hour masterpiece. I hate them… Though, i could be jaded at this point. I've scraped by the past six years by my wits and the tools I can get my hands on, and have completely given up on dealing with (((merchants))) who are unwilling to pay even fucking 25% of retail. I want them all to die.

Give me a place to sleep, food and work and Ill move anywhere in a heart beat.

You are talking my language, farming is necessary but hunting/fishing/trapping is also important.

This is a really key point, we need to make sure that the water and soil is clean and hasn't been ruined by fracking or old mining runoff etc. Would also be good to find a location where it is unlikely to be contaminated in the future

Yeah, it's really just for beer money. But there are bound to be some here who can channel the jew and make it work somehow, which is why I bothered to mention sustaining themselves on it at all.

Personally, I'm more than happy to live as I already do, but in a small town surrounded by natural beauty and populated by Holla Forumsaks. The homesteaders have a great dream, and I wish them well with it. Taking the first step and giving us a place to call home would be good enough for me. Not to mention the whole thing about those mountains being defensible as all hell, and being a good place to put down roots in anticipation of the happening. The further up your are, the less garbage will have the chance to make it into the water, so there's that too.

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This sounds ideal. I'm trying really hard not to romanticize the fuck out of this right now but it sounds like a great spot. It actually reminded me of Eustace Conway who has a co-op style farm called Turtle Island Preserve up in NC.

I think the most important part of this whole plan will be

The culture that goes with this commune must be virtually impenetrable to outsiders. That will be the only way to defray subversion and antagonism. I've been thinking about norms that groups could follow which would allow the effective exchange of information and coordination around goals and which is loosely based on replicating the dynamics of imageboards. One crucial part of it: enforce anonymity. It is possible to exchange information and coordinate under that condition. What information we do exchange, and the goals we coordinate around, would work the same as we coordinate here already. Another part: meeting under cover of normie events that, individually, each of us would have a legitimate reason for attending. Public events that lots of normies attend which would still make it easy for anons to "incidentally" recognize each other. Obviously, no mention of Holla Forums or the chans, avoid talking in specifics and instead speak in terms of symbols around which to coordinate actions taken by anons individually. All of this preserves plausible deniability while also making sure - in the off chance user talks to FBI - nothing incriminating is said or done.

One of the more obvious ways such a commune might be targeted is through women. We're men, obviously if we're established materially we'll pursue women with the hopes of starting families. It would be easy for them to throw sex kittens at the commune and snag a few men that way. There needs to be norms that secure against that among other things.

FWIW, I've thought about going full nomadic and making my way on the streets homeless. The one thing which makes it untenable is not so much money (there are even legal ways to easily make enough for all my needs and more) but the danger of other homeless people. That would be much less of a problem if a group of anons banded together and could look after each other. Treat the urban cityscape as a desert and become cenobitic kekkists. Such a lifestyle is not necessarily long term by any means but it would be extremely effective if we were ever forced to go guerrilla. Imagine pulling a Jesus and weaponizing the homeless and prostitutes instead of letting them be easy prey for the elites to use. Just consider - prostitutes often have unreasonably privileged access, and most elites are just thinking "She's just a dumb whore, how could she hurt me?"

thanks for those pics, they're p useful.

I wish I could do some homesteading, but I'm neet right now so I have the time but not the resources. I've thought about going to community gardens but when I've gardened in the past at our old house I could only spend 20-30 minutes outside in the sun without getting burnt (even with sunblock) or fatigued. Not an issue if the garden is on my property, but at a community garden there's a bit more of a time investment that I don't think I could realistically handle.

wew lad, do you think any of that land is in NC? I could save up for that in a reasonable amount of time. Around me I see plots going for a lot, but they're not too often sold as one acre so idk. Are there any good homesteading books out there for a noob with too much time on their hands?

what about like a little atv or dirtbike? can that be converted to use vegetable oil fuel?

electricity generation isn't that complicated though, especially if you're near a stream.

I'm no mechanic, but I'm pretty sure anything that relies on gasoline is a poor choice, and a lot of those little powerplants need the high octane stuff to really do it to it. Diesel engines tend to be larger and heavier to their equivalent and therefore ill suited to the task. Tractors are made for offroading, hauling loads, and taking kerosene so that's probably a better direction to look into.

It's extremely cost inefficient as compared to buying on the grid, and takes a ton of cash in maintenance. Unless we're talking about a small bank in your hunting cabin to keep the deep freezer working and your radios charged it's typically not worth it when you've got other options available.

Crops fail even if you do everything right. Hunts fail when you do something wrong. Also, there are wild turkeys out there, deer, bear, and plenty of fishing and small game that require no hunting licenses and have no seasons, if you aren't picky. Also, the forest can be seeded to make more food and attract more wildlife. When a tree falls in the forest, plant a fucking apple tree in its corpse. The apples might not be good, but the deer and coons they attract will be. When I camp somewhere repeatedly, I plant garlic and the pitts/seeds from what ever I brouht to munch on, and when I return, theres often garlic at least to put on my fish.

Plenty of rain in the summer from hurricanes that hit the carolinas, and snow tops the hills in the winter. We could use streams for a lot, just tap a spring, and have rain collectors for backup.

Meme coin guy here.
I absolutely cannot support myself with that. I have a full time 9-5 jorb.

(memes.money is a real URL if anyone wants to know)

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Don't forget wild hogs. If they're on private property you can have at them year round due to their nature as pests, and a lot of farmers around here will actually pay you to go out there and do it for them. Not the best eating, but decent sausage filler.

Any idea how much a guy could make doing that sort of thing? If I could just shoot pigs all day I would be a happy man

So that's where the shadilay coin comes from, I hope they still make them. 300 was an awfully rare quantity of pepes.

I was actually just eyeballing the Inauguration day coin a couple hours ago. I know you're trying to do it in a way to break even, and I can respect that. However, I'm not suggesting we only do one thing, like only making coins. Merely saying there are numerous low-investment options to create a means of producing small amounts of income. Producing numerous things would be the way to go.

it's risky, though. You could make a fuckload of patches, coins, kek statues, and all kinds of other knick-knacks and never sell a single one. This means if I try to follow the "maker" angle, I'm forced to desperately try and self-promote and whore myself out to build a customerbase that will supply me with enough income to offset the cost of taxes, utilities, food, and materials… But this isn't the kind of thing you get done in a few weeks, or even a few months. That's the frustrating thing about planning for the future.

Also, where the hell can I get that MAGA coin?

Wait. Nevermind. I'm stupid.

Problem is Colorado has massive amounts of liberal faggots moving there because of the weed shit.

The land taxes are gonna be jewed up in less than a decade.

Cities are hives of degeneracy. Always have been. For thousands of years, cities have been nests of corruption and decaying morals.

Depends, most guys here have a list of people they can call, so it never gets posted anywhere. But asking around at the local bar, shooting range, or church can usually turn up something if you're a local. If not check craigslist, maybe?

Mind you, it's not going to be much. We're talking maybe $20 a head, and done in such a way that doesn't fuck up their fields more than they already have, so it's more a way to pay for ammo and a new set of jeans while grabbing free meat more than anything profitable. Or that's how it is here anyway.

This seems to be the case primarily when a certain rodent race are present in those cities. They can thrive in cities more easily. Every city or major civilization that fell, fell because of them. Babylon as the archetypal city was once great, only to fall, but still managed to kick that race out before it was completely over.

Holy fuck, I had totally forgotten about wild hogs! Just remember to ALWAYS check with property owners before hunting, AND their neihbors! These things are tasty if they're healthy, and a lot of people covet the pigs of their property, but as stated, others will be happy to have you shoot them.

I feel your pain…
My wife designed the Kek rings. A couple sell every month, but that adds up to a tank of gasoline at best. Maybe after I'm done with this move, I'll carve a few memes out, but I'm stuck making what sells and even that is a bitch. If the douchebags who ran the stores had their way, I'd made $2 an hour for my labor, and the alternative is to put things up online and wait months for a payout on my work. Once I fell behind during the winter, I was financially fucked and it'll be months before I have enough merchandise to actually have regular enough income on etsy and such. To top it off, I have to be careful what I actually even put up for sale online for political reasons, and then get fucked again on export since half of what I do is bone and antler, so I simply cannot export feasibly to half of fucking europe.
Pic related is another design my wife did. One finally sold, hoping they send us a picture… too broke to have my own. Oh well, the current alterfrog does fine for now.
no monies to get set up for casting if I wanted to.

Would love to pick your wife's brain or someobody in the know. I've been working on a winter-chan amulet in my head and wondering what it would take to make it a reality. Would require a bit of gem cutting and silverworking, so I'm not even sure who to approach or what it would end up costing.

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The only hurdles I see are A) location and B) manpower. Networking for this sort of thing to get trustworthy workers together who won't be at eachothers throats in 2 years would be difficult.

I could ask her in a bit if you have some more details, but here's my advice. Get a bar of soap and a small, narrow knife, and carve out your design. If you like it, you can then carve it of soft wood and see if you like how it hangs on you. Then, if you still like everything, carve it out of wax and then it can be cast as one piece for you. THEN, you might have a job with the person who helped you cast it, carving wax for them.

As much as I hate to admit it, I'm nowhere near dexterous enough for that. Anything more complicated than an axe handle comes out as a misshapen lump. Believe me, I've tried.

Reckon it's a bit more involved than something that can be cast, since it's going to have to be set against a stone, as well as backing it so there's going to be a few pieces. Although, I really have no idea when it comes to how these things work. I'm not really at a stage where it can be built, I think. I've got to sit down talk with a jeweller first, looks like. Figure out what can be done and who needs to be hired for what.

So ID is the safest place according to this image then? Good, l've been planning on moving there anyways.

send a picture to someone on fiverr that can make it into a 3D image ready for 3d printing
Then find someone to print a few copies of it for you in plastic
Then send them to jewellers and ask for a quote

Land is a G an acre or less in MANY areas of the US.
Not difficult, at all, unless you are stupid enough to try to "homestead" in the fucking desert. Location location location. Pick a place with a spring nearby; not hard if selecting property in viable area; again will still be cheap AS LONG AS YOU ARE WILLING TO GO TRULY RURAL.
Unorganized territories; no municipal services are provided, so property tax is close to zero if not zero.
Bingo, the only significant challenge. Many spend their entire boyhoods learning to survive in those types of conditions.

Men like this are dying off every day.

Not impossible to learn with the right approach and investment, but a steep hill to climb.

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That's actually a pretty solid idea.

Been eyeing this for a little bit.

That's possible, but I have my doubt whether the living conditions in cities are good for the mind, jews or not. Constantly surrounded by countless strangers, the constant noise and disconnected from nature, there's just no way that's good for the mind, body or spirit. You can almost see why cities always trend towards "progressivism" from being so disconnected from the natural world.

City living invariably effects the politics of those involved. This has been true across cultures and throughout history. I'd say that definitely suggests some kind of mental impact at the very least.

Probably has something to do with going over that golden 150 number, messes with your ability to form bonds. As well as distancing you from your family, since only a handful of people can fit into any one given city box.

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A property worthy of our dark lord.

Cities before the brutalist age were certainly not nearly as disconnected from nature as they are today which is partly why I think things wouldn't have been half as bad as they are today. I'm not really aware of people complaining about cities before modern times. Usually the city is where the orchestra was, where the art galleries were, where monuments were; basically all the cultural life.

Ancient Rome is modern times to you?

>double flanking 66s

user, fiver is fucking destroying the market in the western world. Hire a motherfucking artist from your own country, your own people, and PAY THEM A FAIR WAGE! Outsourcing destroys our economy.
If he had a model, he could use shapeways and they also do the casting, or he could have a wax print. The Kek rings go through shapeways and I'm genuinely impressed, especially compared to how things were pmade five years ago when I first used their service for some prototyping. He'll still need someone to set the stones though, so he'd be better off going straight to a silver smith for this, unless he was wanting to make a lot of them.

Can you provide a sketch?
I was a welder before I was a carver and sculptor. The most dexterous tool I used was a filed down railroad spike when my chipping hammer didn't get into the crevices of awkward welds. I did just fine from the first go carving, but it went absurdly slow and I had to take breaks often.
You want to do something good your first time? Forget the knife, grab some files and sandpaper. Do it all with abrasive tools from start to finish. That's how I got started, and the material I chose was Elk Antler. If you're not a masochist like me, I suggest trying balsa wood or soft pine.

So, OP, tell me, how does it feel to be best pals with Greenpeace, Shitskins, Christcucks and your African brothers?

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Where did anyone in this thread say any such thing? Did you even read the thread?

We must be doing something right, because you're acting like a faggot who is trying to subvert things.

TROLLS GET OUT REEEEEEEEE

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And no one's complaining.

I think you're in the wrong place, cityfag.

some social/geographic data to aid in decision making

Fuck off Jew.

that looks p comfy, I'd say go for it

So Anons, This is my plan.
I'm currently in my first year of college. But my plan is to drop out and join the Airforce, As a Jet Aircraft Technician. Making around 54,000 a year, That's 216,000 when I get out the military after doing four years.

After that, I'll finish getting my degree for Aerospace Engineering. Using my G.I bill.

Then from there, Ill get a job at NASA (The jet technician was to get my foot in the door) Making roughly about 80k starting out to 150k

Do this for a couple years, Live like a beet to save more money. Then after that, Start buying and renting houses throughout the years. (A female friend of my family does this, She owns five houses that she rents out. And never has to work another day in her life/has more money than what she knows what to do with)

When it's a comfortable budget, I'll quit my job. And buy land somewhere nice. I'm thinking about 24-100 acres. I'm going to invite all of you there, I want you guys to raise children on my land, And past off our teachings, Raise them up right. The best part is, I'll let you fuckers live there for free. Just gotta help out

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Take note of the building and it's simplicity. Point is that it's a simple as fuck building that meets all the basic needs and it's just plopped on the ground and blocked up so it stays level.

When people talk about building houses there's all these worries about foundation and and wiring and style and it needs to be this complex series of shapes and it needs to match up to some arbitrary style guidelines… Fuck that shit. A box on some cinder blocks is not only easier to build, but cheaper to furnish, insulate, and wire up. Once you have the materials and the tools, you could probably build something like that in a day. Maybe a little longer if you want to take the time to make it somewhat nicer.

On a somewhat related note, I was recently told about this Russian company, Apis Cor, and their 3D house printing technology. It's an interesting development, but it also points towards a potential trend towards cheaper, quicker to build homes, with an aim on building all year long in all seasons and conditions.

New batch of un-numbered ones coming out soon, check the mailinglist if you want to get a heads up on that. Been toying with another pepe-variant but I'm unsure. MAGA coins haven't sold to ROI yet so it is a rick making another new coin…

Custom hyper-rare pepe that I made to be one face of the new coin. Anyone like this one?

And transhumanism is based on jewish mythology. Nobody here is abandoning tech, we're just leaving your degenerate homo orgy cities behind.

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Yeah, it's called Agenda 21 and it's a scam to segregate people enough to cull the population.

That looks great for a nice retreat but as a year round residence let alone a homestead I don't know.

The house is an uninsulated log cabin, I grew up less than a hundred miles from Lewiston and let me tell you it gets fucking cold in the winter, you aren't going to make it in that little shack. It seems to have power but I don't see water or sewage so you'd probably need a well and septic. Not to mention you can't raise a family in a tiny cabin so basically forget about the house and just look at the terrain.

As for farming sure you have 5 acres but it looks like most of it is on a very steep hill and it may or may not be good arable soil.

Basically I'm working my 9-to-5 and saving up to move back to the country and homestead.

Fellow propmaker here too, in the world of theatre. I also garden as a hobby and I have worked as a farm hand on a permaculture/hugelkulture style farm for a while. I admit I didn't read through all of the thread but I'm up for helping out in any way I can. Blood and soil!

Got a gold MAGA coin from you. Nice work. I'd kill for the first Holla Forums coin you made. They were sold out by the time I knew where to buy one.

innawood.org could use you

dang I have been looking for you. this is a truly blessed thread.

This is somewhat related to the thread and it seems to be the place to ask this question. My wife lost both of her parents in 2015 and inherited their 36 acre farm and nursery. Her father planted many nursery trees and shrubs. The total retail value of all of these plants on the property is anywhere from $300,000 to a million dollars. Recently, a local tree nursery inquired about purchasing these trees, many of which are very large for nursery stock, as they were planted 15-20 years ago, too large for us to dig with our spade on the front end loader. The guy that wants to buy these is interested in the full lot. He will dig, ball and transport them himself. My question is, how much is fair to accept as payment, on average, for each? For example, we many trees that retail for about $500 or so each. Since he would be doing all of the work, and be buying in bulk, what would be fair to sell them to him for? Would it be $50 for the $500 tree? More or less? A certain percentage of the retail price? I fear that he'd offer something like $10 for a $500 tree. We need the money, but not at a discount like that, even with him doing all of the work.

Thank you very much to anyone's insight on this matter. I can't find an answer anywhere in the search engines for nursery trees. Every result is for timber.

We've been organizing a project like this for a while actually. It's easier to get off the grid working in a team, and that's basically our plan. I'm a member of Holla Forumsony member and If you want to join you can talk to me on skype, gadriel.tilleyndar

I doubt we could pull off a commune because in reality we don't agree much on practicals. But we could probably pull off intentional neighboring.

Rule of thumb is wholesale is 50% of retail. So go look up what a retail tree of that kind sells for. Since he's buying in bulk and doing labor himself you might knock it down to 30-40% If that is too high then he can explain to you his costs and why the price needs to be lower.

This is building style we should use. It's ultra durable. Cheap as fuck if you do the labor yourself. And looks attractive once you stucco it. Stick houses are for normies. earthbagbuilding.com/

Unless you live nearly on the arctic circle in Alaska where there's no property taxes, what's the point in going off-grid? As long as there's property taxes you're on the grid.

To evade property taxes you can dig silos underground.

I bought acreage for 50% off market price using this website: auction.com/

Going off grid is a very-very long term goal. Trust me we are not crazy into the wild-types.

But ultimately, self sufficiency is the purpose. In order to wean ourselves off the capitalist system.

How?

What's wrong with capitalism? Are you guys just going to be subsistence farmers and barter for everything?

i'm not going to argue semantics with you. Capitalism-banking-communism, it's controlled by the same people. If you are not interested that's fine.

lol.

It's a nice idea but as long as there's property taxes you won't be able to wean yourself off of anything or be truly independent.

That depends entirely on the country.

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Taxes are dependent on things like income. Depending on the country, if one's income is low enough then they will not need to pay taxes.

Thanks for that webm. l have just under $20k right now, so it would be a dirt cheap mortgage. Quite honestly, l'm waiting for (((them))) to crash the market and buy something better, with more land, for even less money than that property is.

ls this where the term "tavern" comes from?

lf you look closely in one of the interior shots, you can see a bedpan, so no, it has no sewage. l'm assuming the other smaller cabin is either storage or a small shack with a cot in it. lt's located next to a lake but that water isn't potable (purify it, l know).

Post the recipe and what exactly you mean by warrior's brew plox.

Dixieanon reporting back in, was shooting with my young son for the past day, hence my lack of presence.

Continued on next post, too many replies to fit.

shit, didn't scroll up enough hahaha. Oh well, this is good enough.

There could possibly be some land like that in NC, most of it is just over the border to tennessee tbh. I don't know if they've changed it yet, but they used to not require car insurance for vehicles driven in state, which is quite a convenient bonus for crappy farm trucks that are never driven very far. The land that cheap is usually sold in 40+ acre plots.

Theoretically one could convert a small vehicle to run on used vegetable oil, the main caveats is that it has to be diesel, and ideally is water-cooled as that is the heat source to warm the vegetable oil up usually. I've seen these insane diesel dirtbike things that were used by the military, that would be a good if expensive choice. Gasoline engines can run on corn squeezings fairly well as long as it's dry.
Good books on the subject are growing food in hard times by (can't remember first name) soloman, the resilient gardener by carol deppe, and anything written by sepp holzer. As far as the theory goes, one kind of has to provide that for yourself.

Electricity, micro-hydro works pretty well if you're full-on innawoods and give no fucks if you have many electronic devices past something like a laptop, one would be forced to use generators for anything requiring high amperage like a table saw or a welder.

Location is the trick, although I feel it's somewhere in the dixie appalachians, and I got the manpower to at least keep my family self-sufficient and make a minimal living/pay the land taxes, making gigantic profits would require more hand labor, and as an aside to anyone who is worried about the whole getting sunburned issue- copy the spics or riceniggers, wear a coolie hat/sombrero type thing, something that sits off your head to allow wind to circulate, and long sleeves made of a thin material. Wet yourself down periodically if you don't sweat enough and you're golden.

That being said, I'm the type of motherfucker that is used to working in a greenhouse in the middle of a georgia summer 8+ hours a day, and I never cut my hair or beard, and tend to wear long pants due to the mosquitoes at that place.

Tis true. Self-sufficiency is the trick, but self-sufficiency is life. It isn't hard to motivate yourself to work if said work means you get to eat well.

OP might be a luddite, I ain't- I just hate shitskins and jews, and this seems to me, with my skills, the way I can have the most white children grow up in the best environment possible. I'll put it this way- I just finished my own custom linux operating system before posting in this thread if that says anything. I see no mutually-exclusive property of using technology in a rural area, creating a microcosm of the society we wish to create.

At my nursery, we generally doubled the price and rounded up to the nearest logical number, unless it's something really specialty.

I wouldn't take less than 200 out the door, cash money in hand, for a 500 dollar tree that is number 1 quality, absolutely nothing wrong with it- unless there's something wrong with it, or if you are selling to a wholesale nursery (which is likely). Basically, if you're selling to a retail outlet, you're going to get say 200-250 for a 500 dollar tree, and if you're selling to a wholesaler that specializes in resale of b&b trees, you're going to get about half of that.

Feel the situation out, and get what you can get- you can get somewhere around 100k per acre growing trees.

That's my thing, I'm thinking less commune, and more tight-knit community- I don't want any free love kike shit and I ain't going to force everyone to be serfs unless they're just doing it to learn how to do it- I'm thinking more like the amish, where everyone has their own fields, and everyone helps if someone needs an extra hand, or say has to get their crop in before a disaster wipes it out or something.

More corn-shucking parties with qt3.14 farm girls, less communism.

If you have agricultural land in tennessee that is being used, it's something retardedly cheap, like what the property tax would be, minus 95% of that, minus 95% of the 5% left, iirc. I've seen 50+ acre parcels with a less than 17 dollar a year property tax bill, not to mention there isn't a state sales tax.

Kinda, more like well-off yeoman farmers, who produce most of their own food and one specialty crop that we use to scour money from the pockets of rich hipsters. We eat the taters, and sell the baby kale to the hipsters for $5.99 a bag (not knocking kale, taters plus kale equals colcannon). More like our white ancestors, less like niggers.

Honestly I figure I'll have to try it and have a modicum of success for others to want to come, I've known that for a while. Growing vast amounts of food is something I've done before, as well as growing enough nursery plants to pay the bills even during times I didn't grow much food. I've done both, that's why I'm not worried about succeeding.

Not really I'm a loner who doesn't get along with most people.

Also in b4 Waco 2.0>>9565651

getting land from ((reputable law firm)) in a ((jewish autonomous district)) that they want you to turn into a ((business)) paying ((taxes)) down the road

not even once…

Where in Europe would be a good place to buy forest land for homesteading?

I haven't read the whole thread, maybe someone gave this suggestion already. If you live in one of these cities in the US, Canada, Australia etc. with extremely overpriced real estate, why not move to South-east Europe?
You could literally buy a bunch of apartments and rent them out via a real estate agency and live a very comfortable life off of collect rent and never have to worry about working again.
You could devote all your time to your hobbies and family, you can even send your kids to private schools where they'll never even have to learn the local language.

Germanfag here, I have long given up on the idea of homesteading in yurop.

Euro countries are too small and governments very intrusive and just a few miles away to raid your ass if you seem suspicious.

You can probably get cheap land in rural Spain and a spanish friend even told me they have lots of abandoned villages there, but I'm not a huge fan of spaniards with their commie tendencies.

I'll probably emigrate illegally to the US in the future and buy land in rural commiefornia if they make it a sanctuary state.

You have very jewish ideas.

I may do something like this here in America

Guy who made the /bmw/ logo here. If you care I've found back in my archives a double-sided coin I made. Not very memeful but meh.

Expat in South-east Europe here.

It depends where precisely. And there is a general sense that the region could be at war again within a few months/years.

Theoretically I like the idea, but I ain't moving to the forefront of the muslim invasion all nogunz like. All the work I would do would be for naught if my descendants get converted by the sword; here, though we may have nig-nogs, at least they're too stupid to even shoot a gun properly or ever hit anything they're aiming for, and with my deep nig experience growing up in the south, they're as deathly afraid of the forest as they are of say dogs or snakes.

Plus, outside the cities in Dixie, every single fucking person is either racist, or shitty enough to be liquidated on the DOTR, so we wouldn't really even have to worry about winning hearts and minds, the 1960s are alive and well with anyone of old southern blood, and who has anything ever to do with niggers.

Swastikoin, I like it.

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It sounds ridiculous, but it seems reasonable in some quarters. Including:
and more.

How about Estonia or Latvia?

Use California to get in but leave as soon as you can. That fucker could implode at any time and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it when it does, plus other states are much more gun friendly.

are you a jew

sounds like a buttcoin scam

Dunno, never been. I'm generally weary of Europe tbh.

Socialism and highly domesticated powerless peasants everywhere + I feel white IQs are lowering everywhere as well.

I only experienced semi freedom living in south east asia for years where one doesn't have the government up his ass all the time.

Taxes are not much higher in Estonia compared to the US.
Healthcare is free.

It's also staring down both barrels from russia.

Ceiling would collapse because of snow in the NE US.

Putin won't do anything
It would be the excuse they have been waiting for

Thank you both very much for your insights. I am very glad that you both are saying to ask for about the same percentage, too. It really helps me get a ballpark figure in my head from which to start. I am going to research some more and hopefully I'll see others saying the same thing.

Truly, thank you guys.

I wondered how long it would take for the resident (((public transport))) "personal transportation is bad goy muh fuel muh oil never go outside your home city goy" shill would appear. Kill yourself kike.

Going off-grid isn't the right idea, in my mind. It tends to suggest cutting yourself off from the rest of the world entirely. Going full isolationist, survivalist, innawoods can work on a very small scale, maybe 3 or 4 people, at most.

Being self-sufficient ties into going off-grid, but the sort of things we've been talking about with wells, solar and wind power, and growing our own food is more of a matter of being able to take care of ourselves no matter what happens.

The goal, over several years, is self-sufficiency and independence. If the rest of the world gets nuked, the power grid goes down, and the internet vanishes forever, we could still be able to tend to our land and care for ourselves. Not because technology is evil, but because it's a better way to live than being wholly dependant on the rest of the world to take care of us and prioritize our best interests.

I thought this thread was about becoming Nazi mennonites, not one way or another about that. As much as I hate crowded fucking cities, a car is useful in its own right, and even the most Gore-tier enviro-fag can get in board with old diesel benzes running on free veggie oil, they like it for muh benefits, I like it cuz I can drive around for free.

Exactly! The whole thing about being purely by yourself, fully innawoods, is a meme- the most fucking purist innawoods mountain man I ever read about, Sylvan Hart, walked 100 miles back from a hardware store to his house so he could have glass windows.

Being innawoods and smart about it, using the outside world when it's better, doing it yourself when it's better, is the superior option. Have the capability to do so, but there's no sense to not shitpost to be on the side of the angels for example.

I just read The Racial Elements of European History by Hans F K Günther (I had never made the connection either), I've read race stuff before referencing Coon and Erectus Walks Amongst Us of course, but never looked into any old books. Some is rather uninteresting categorising that doesn't seem as important with modern techniques, and I don't know how well all of it holds up, but damn was he spot on about Nordic traits, behaviours, and society. Everything about the descriptions resonates. The people I've known interested in a homesteading type of living have all embodied similar traits and even physically meet his description of nordic.

One of the points is that the strongest strains always come from the land, the great cities were great because we built them, before the influx of people suited to city life or outright mixing decreased our birthrates. Homesteading, preferably around people of your kind, is probably the best way to raise children. It will certainly make the strongest. Herding, hunting, growing your food, and the opportunity to wander and relax while still being productive should be fulfilling and natural to most of us. The biggest thing I can think of is, if you aren't raising a family, don't mistake living in the country with success. Women probably won't follow you to the country if you don't start there (some do), but if you are by yourself, you are just surviving.

Maybe I'll try to find quotes, just thought the book made sense in terms of where we came from and what we can do, and why homesteading of sorts (herdsmen, husbandmen, and raised to be warriors) may be the source of our strength.

is my captcha some sort of sign?

Where are you in? Turkey is the biggest potential threat and it worries me as well.

Oy vey, they goym know>And there is a general sense that the region could be at war again within a few months/years.

This is precisely why I'm doing it. The children, the future. I was raised like that, and everyone looks at me like some sort of mythical beast as I meander around the workaday world. I owe it to my children to do the same.

Thanks for your effort, but this one seems to have the same problem. Pages 96 and 97 are missing, along with five pages from the start of chapter 6, and others. I suspect that all the pdfs on the internet were from the one original faulty scan .

any word on this years gathering? local area meetups to travel in a group?
I was interested by a thread a few weeks ago.

rammed earth is a viable construction method that can last centuries if properly done & cared for
naturalbuildingblog.com/no-earthquake-damage-to-rammed-earth-monasteries/

always gives me a hearty kek when I look at older german work about the races. is it offensive to call blacks "schwarzen" over there yet? I have relatives in Austria and that's what they call them but as I know it Germany can be a bit more sjw about that kind of thing

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Your forgetting about Mark Sheppard. He's done some good permaculture work in Wisconsin.

I'll have to look him up, I recognize the name but haven't seen anything by him. I'll take your word and read up on it.
I read the permaculture designers manual forever ago since my library had it, really dug the hydrology/water management aspect of it, then did some digging and it seemed 99.99999% of folks practicing "permaculture" were building herb spirals in folks yards and teaching classes where everyone is forced to hug each other for a living, as opposed to actually trying for the important thing- trying to develop an ecosystem that is specifically tailored for humans, which is absolutely imperative if we are to ever go to the stars.

All this shit lately makes you wanna just go live in a cabin in the woods with a small family, but even then it's only a matter of time until the government finds an excuse to come shoot your shit up.

Great nordics have big noses.

P.S, this shit works, full book is at dubya dubya dubya dot soilandhealth dot org. Also tons of other great, great books there, including books about farming that have as a pretext:
, basically, Holla Forums the farming manual. For other Holla Forums tier manuals on botany, read anything by Luther Burbank, he invented a good bit of the fruits we eat to this day, and interspersed in his discussions on plant genetics (specifically talking about how he created the Shasta daisy by breeding african and european daisy species together), are such gems as "And this is why the Negro should never be allowed to breed with the white man…"

goddamnit, really fucked up the formatting and forgot the link

soilandhealth dot org /book/the-story-of-the-soil/

a race-realist's farming manual

Yea man somehow permaculture got hijacked by the carbon queer communist loving libtards.

I totally agree that the hydrology of permaculture is one of the best design aspects and almost can't believe the keyline system hasn't been adopted more.

Im trying to get into the whole silvopasture, ally cropping, forest farming, cover cropping type management systems. Basically what ive seen is that you do ally cropping for about 10 years until the trees really start to take over. Then you do silvopasture for about 10 years until the tree really take over and shade your grass out. Then you do about 10 years of forest farming where you'd do shade loving crops like currants or elderberries.

It really is a lot but I don't really see any alternative than going full on nuts.. full scale.. trees, animals, keyline, and grain crops. Thats the only way we can compete with big Ag is by going full 1488 500 acre organic permaculture farms.

The main problem i see holding it back is that everyone is content with there corn and is too blind to see the destruction of the current system.

I keep trying to post this but I guess pdfs aren't allowed on Holla Forums.

So here it is.
The Complete Book of Self Sufficiency - John Seymour
>>>/pdfs/5641

not necessary

My plan is to fleece the hipsters from their dollars, since a horrible strain of (((late blight))) is about to hit tomatoes, we got about 5 years before it gets terrible, and we need to fleece hipsters and fine dining restaurants of their dollars selling hippie-dippie produce while developing said strain. Use said strain to dominate the market, since we'll be the only game in town for tastier, more expensive tomatoes that are still way cheaper than canada greenhouse shit and can be grown chem-free. Use profit to go full nutso in said manner, and be 100 fucking percent nepotistic, preferentially hiring my own and like-minded people, essentially giving land to Holla Forumsacks with the understanding that they will become a valuable asset in the community with time.

Same here. Mythical beast may not be far off in their minds. I've got a health problem right now, if I end up okay, a family here just moved to the top of my list. If not, see you in valhalla.

I read english translation, from /pdfs/ probably. I only saved it at all because it was online somewhere else and the short bit about the jews had been memoryholed. Haven't read the book that map was from yet. Being about germans I wasn't really interested, not being german myself.

I feel like a cheerleader, I don't know if it's factually true because I have only skimmed more recent stuff but the man's reasoning was sound. This has really pounded in the racial picture for me rather than just trying to keep jews, niggers, etc. at bay.

Sheppard looks legit, annuals between rows while establishing varied fruit and nuts with swales, I think he was so impressed by keyline system he said he wished he would have just done that. Which reminds me, Darren Doherty I believe does keyline + permaculture. Allan Savory has a book about grazing that might be interesting for anyone with marginal land, haven't seen it in practice yet though.

I always thought it was strange that there is proof of many large noses in the past, but so few these days.

no shit user, it is a well tested and proven method. The original document from FEMA has an interesting title
if you look into the history of woodgas generation you'll find that during WW II there were commercially available woodgas generators for automobiles in the US and England.

The difference between large Nordic/Roman noses is that they typically have a bump in the middle and the end points forward or upward. While kike noses can be smooth and typically have a bulbous tip that hooks downwards.

Yeah, there's a really good book on it at the soil and health library I posted about above, I posted it on /pdfs/ a bit ago, here's the link:

media.8ch.net/file_store/92363ad0cc751537a3aa5cbf1d3fc0c6589d60f9191ccbadc9d549e3d007733e.pdf

I didn't know that anhydrous ammonia could be used for motor vehicle fuel, however.

The problems with competing with big ag is that you have to 1) take a small amount or very poor land for yourself and family, and don't worry besides trying to make a buck on the side, 2) get in the system taking gov bucks and walnuts are your crop instead of corn and therefore are tied down, or 3) look for a niche market and have to tolerate the hippy dippy shit. Number 3 is why permaculture got hijacked by the commie shit in my opinion.

I was talking about real human noses :^)

I guess I'm lucky I have a pretty sizable niche market that I know inside and out, and one of the guys going out there with me has an entirely different niche market that works just as well.

Niche 1- nursery plants, specifically unusual as hell stuff, pitcher plants of all types (nepenthes and saracennia) as well as carnivorous plants in general, weird orchids, unusual fruits, cacti, basically anything really weird and cool that I can make look good as fuck, or any sort of aquatic plant as used in koi ponds, like water lilies, lotus and the like. Also I could hawk a decent amount of pleb-tier perennials along with the others as long as they looked good- selling wholesale with established personal contacts.

Niche 2- selling directly to fine dining chefs, again from personal contacts, most of the head chefs I would deal with are based, to the point of joking about using jews as a meat source for their restaurants as a form of revenge. I wish to hell it would be any sort of a good idea to name the restaurant for y'alls benefit, but alas, thus is the nature of the chan…

Do you have any other ideas to escape NEEThood? I'm running about 4 businesses in different niches right now, but none generate a liveable income. Maybe $100 a month each without my active interference.

praise kek let's do this

I dunno, I kinda have all my eggs in the farming basket as far as a good life goes, I started out working at a pleb nursery, it was interesting and because of my degenerate dudeweed early teenage years, I knew a bit about "organic gardening". Turns out, I basically knew more than everyone there except the one old guy, just because I read and remember what I read. Fast forward a bit, I'm chilling at the advice desk, reading Nietzsche. Fast forward more, I'm running a big nursery owned by a fucking israel jew, making good money since I'm the plant wizard. I brought some hummus to work to eat since it was 50 cents a tub on sale and high calorie, it made him think I was a jew, and thus I was redpilled by his speak of the goyim.

You aren't going to get rich doing work like that, or landscaping, but you aren't going to be a neet, and the work is solitary and enjoyable.

That's the plan. Y'all fuckers start looking for land.

Yea this is a fucked up time to be alive. Agriculture is even more insane than politics from what i've seen. The shear amount of cleared and poisoned land is just mind boggling.. Then you look realize we are poisoning shit and destroying the biology of entire states for a few thousand gallons of ethanol and some pig feed.

The whole system just screams of inefficiencies and red flags. Honestly I dont see big ag lasting much longer if humans want to go to the stars. Think about it, are we really going to send people to mars packed with some GMO corn and soy? It just doesn't make any fucking sense.

Based chefs.
Do you think farming gourmet mushrooms to sell directly to restaurants would be worth the time and effort?

Chestnuts seem like an ideal crop tho man you should be experimenting with thos so when you get your own plot of land you can really go nuts with them. Ill be growing chestnuts up here but its a bit more difficult because we have to get fancy cold hardy american chestnut hybrids. But down where your at you can plant pure chinese chestnuts and have some nice chestnuts easily.

Also have you had any luck selling leafy greens or winter squash like butternuts?

That's what I figure. We need to figure out a subset of the plants on earth that are great for humans, that can provide a biosphere us during travel, and can spread the seed of the earth on landing. It's not hard, and I figure weird unknown varieties of stuff with enough different things to offset the small markets and harvest time for the different products, would be at least good enough to bootstrap up for a decent 'farm', by which I mean the full-nutso 500 acre permaculture paradise meant to be a pattern for others to follow.

Worth the time and effort, sure, though the market cap can be sort of low if you aren't creative as fuck in the marketing, and you would have to absolutely dominate a large area in the gourmet mushroom department for it to make a comfortable middle class white-bread living. Which would require a middleman and a fuck-ton of mushrooms.

Now picking stuff like chanterelles and hen of the woods seasonally, that can make you a LOT if you're lucky and you know your spots.
I found a giant clump of hen of the woods while driving one time, picked and subsequently sold it for around 500 bucks long story short.

CHESTNUT TREES
CHESTNUT TREES
The Chinese killed them.

shhhhh
don't ruin my plan

(it certainly has nothing to do with CRISPR and a resistance gene…)

I had no idea high end mushrooms were so valuable.
Makes sense. It'd still be fun to do as a side gig, though.

to elaborate a little for those non-botanically inclined anons, here's a plebipedia page:
en. wikipedia .org /wiki/Chestnut_blight

Basically, multiculturalism completely ruined the eastern woodlands ecosystem, killing off the keystone species of the whole operation; that's why folks used to be able to 'live off the land' and nowadays it's essentially impossible without insane acreage per person.

Of course, it's pretty awesome, I'll be growing some mushrooms on the farm just because it's decent money for little labor if you're talking about the wood lovers. And picking the gourmet mushrooms can be as profitable or far more so than picking ginseng, with the added bonus of not raping the land of essentially an endangered species to be sold to chinks to make their micropenises work a tiny bit better.

I have a local group of about 4-6 families who are interested in moving to the right area. I think the time is coming soon when we need to do something like this.

The climate here isn't suitable for outdoor mushroom growing, consistently at least. Every few years there's a wet spring, but most of the time it's too dry. I've been considering constructing some enclosed chambers to grow decent mushrooms at least for myself. There's not much in the way of quality or selection at the grocery stores in these parts.
Keeping bumblebees would also be really neat. Honey bees can't be used for pollination in greenhouses due to the way their navigation works, but bumblebee workers are perfect for greenhouses, and basically worth their weight in gold to greenhouse operators because bumblebee keepers are a secretive lot that won't sell anyone a queen.

What special traits do you observe among beekeepers?

Yea basically we have to breed American chestnuts with chink chestnuts to get the cold hardiness and disease resistance. The breeding work is still in its infancy but has been done on a few hundred acres. I see the breeding work in chestnuts and hazelnuts as some of the most important work being done for the actual future of humanity (if we have one). Its all about genetics from here on out boys, let me tell you that much I know.

I don't personally know any beekeepers, but anecdotally, things like bees and wasps appear to be able to "smell" fear but they interpret it as a threat.
At least that's been my experience with waspkeeping.

Cool, cuz that lady in is a 100% cutie pie.

I've been meeting up with some Holla Forums people irl for about a year. They are alright, but a project/community like that seems like it would need to start in a more organic (but still intentional) way. One couple would move somewhere and start out. Others would move nearby. People outside of the initial group might join the fold. And from that, you'd get a community.

Give people a way to buy an adjacent plot (with their own money) and work for others while they set up their own homestead. Newcomers get help establishing their homesteads and expertise, and have a way to provide for themselves until their gardens are established. Others who are already there get labor (especially for harvest) and grow the community with people they know. People own their own homes and land (there might also be acreage that is owned by the community, so that there is greater food production and nobody goes hungry, as well as certain necessary facilities for building and repair). At the same time, there is a sense of relying on one another, and a shared destiny. I think it is important for people to own the land on which they live, and makes a community more resilient. When people don't own their homes, they aren't really free.

That makes sense. though I'd say everyone should so at least a garden of their own in addition to whatever else they do. Everyone needs to be able to grow food.

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I see the logic in that. Micro homes might not be the best way to do interim housing, though. It makes more sense for someone to live with another person or people in a house with running water while they set up their own home. Initially, they'd build a small (but not micro) home with running water and a basic kitchen and bathroom, and then move into that. From there, they can expand the house. Though if someone already has an RV, I suppose there is little harm in them staying in that in the interim instead.

They're also fluffy and adorable. Did you know some bees make pollen baskets? It's interesting.

They really are.
[research intensifies]

Sounds good.

I honestly prefer the idea of getting a single gene for resistance and producing a transgenic tree; I usually oppose genetic modification not in principle, but in practice- it does nothing but keep big, poisonous ag alive, and does nothing to benefit ourselves as a species.

That being said, this was our fuck-up. We can either leave it ruined, or we can insert one gene (or steal cuttings from the transgenic trees already produced and tissue-culture them out, while trying to create separate transgenic lines from all pure american chestnuts still alive, and only using genes preferably from the chestnut kingdom, or at minimum something non-esoteric, like the wheat oxalase gene the jew york researchers used)

I'll admit, I have planted plenty of dunstans and the chestnut society or whatever's experimental 15/16th crosses and all that, I just like the idea of reintroducing a pure, chink-free chestnut to our landscape- the dunstans are way fucking smaller than real american chestnuts, and we can just do one transgenic release, responsibly done, and even keep saying transgenic shit is bad until the jews are unseated from power for that matter, but like anything, it is a tool, one that can be used for the greater good, or the (jew) evil.

Exactly my point, I'd really rather have everyone just buy a community, but the reality is, that I'll have to build it, make it nice, and then others will want to come- and they will not want to come to the forest, they will want to come to what I have built, at least until there is another option- the ideal would be to have folks buy more land and convert it themselves, middle of the road is working as a farm employee or some such until you have money to buy more land, and I would offer some sort of 'sweat-equity' option for full-on NEETs- 6 weeks of bootcamp, then work for a couple years and you get the deed to a smallholding and the purchased goods necessary to build your own house, along with room and board, the experience, and really good fucking food- honestly I would have done it in my younger days. It also takes a fuckton of labor to get in a crop, and if there's nothing to do during the winter, the neets can stay and check the greenhouse if the computer-controlled and webcam-monitored system fucks up somehow, so I can say go on a few week vacation.

Also, I figured the housing thing would just be a sort of ad-hoc thing, i.e I would most likely have a NEET barracks at a certain point, a decent amount of "normal" sized houses and perhaps one or two larger for parties/large families, and if someone brings an RV or wants to build a tiny house (I honestly thought it would be cool to have like 20 different smaller dwellings of various styles, with courtyard gardens and all the zone-pushing that allows, as a sort of larger house.), I don't care what size it is, as long as it doesn't look niggery and doesn't stink.

This is the area I'm advocating for. This is where I feel the best place to establish a future forest garden. The pacific northwest forests, while nice, can eat my ass compared to this biome, my biome.

en.
wikipedia. org /wiki/Appalachian_temperate_rainforest

This is where I've seen chestnuts still living, it's the perfect temperature all the time, sunny and misty at the same time, not many mosquitos, everything is fucking BEAUTIFUL, and it happens to be just right for growing everything else humans need to grow.

Remote, yes; will we able to completely mechanize everything, no; all that means is we have Holla Forumsack ex-neets and their future waifus rotating pigs between their various chestnut-acorn paddocks, in preparation of planting understory trees, and more importantly, a strategy for saving our race from extinction from the ground up, a plan to copy.

Sorry to get a bit futuristic, I tend to like to talk in basics and not assume everyone understands the gist of such things, but this is what I see when I see our future.

Yea I defiantly see it as well. So if two well researched anons have come up with the same exact idea completely separately then it must be legit. Pigs, chestnuts, acorns, apples, and grass in the pacific northwest it is lol.

A thing to be careful of is that if you don't own your own things and have your own income, what you have can be taken away at any moment.

While it is important for a community of this not to grow so large that any two people living there are strangers, maybe it would be better to have a household limit? Homesteading lends itself nicely to large families, and one family with seven kids has a different societal mass than three families with one child.

Thank you. I'm wondering about proximity to hunting, as well. Meat is an important thing. Does anyone know how much a difference an unincorporated area is? I have no knowledge on this topic.

Thank you for posting this; I really enjoyed it.

The first settlers probably won't bring wives. They'll have to find them once the place is established enough to have power and running water in the houses, as very few women are interested in starting a family with someone who can't provide that. That said, women are essential to the eventual well-being of the community. Ideally, they should be women with rural backgrounds used to doing real work on a farm or similar setting. After the initial group settling the area is established, it seems more likely that people will move with their wives or families.

This, but by everyone, I mean people of European heritage.

An infodump board would be nice, but for now, I think numbered threads are good.

There were NSDAP retreats. While camping and the like isn't the same as building a home and community, it would be a good step to get people together talking and working collaboratively. If there were a few people established on the property, and communal facilities for a campground (place for tents, and buildings with restrooms and showers, and well as potable water spigots every so often) a gathering would be a good way to help newcomers find and decide to become part of the community. This might also be a good way to raise funds without selling yourself to Jews, as people will readily spend $200+ to go to multi-day events. When first establishing a community, cash infusions are helpful, especially if the community wants to purchase things that will be shared. There might be legal difficulty in having a gathering like that, though, so you'd need to ask a legalfag,

Is there merit in avoiding land that grew monsanto shit, as it seems like it would be tainted.

How much money does kickstarter take? You could avoid not getting your investment back by using that or something similar.

this

Very true about not owning things; I prefer to own them outright, and I wouldn't be taking a loan if I didn't think I could pay it back with a short period of intensive work.

Families, I have a large, well-connected and like -minded extended family, as well as a very based, very capable woman (inb4 there's no based women- go tickle milo's asshole then, alt-right fag), who is the least of my worries when it comes to making a tidy home out of where we end up at- between her expertise and that of the older generation of females in my extended family, it will most certainly be livable and female-friendly in no time- and they'll berate any females out of balking at any new concepts very quickly indeed without making it an issue. When we are established we can certainly take on more people rather quickly- the temporary housing can be used again for another set of people if we choose to sublet or sell a bit of the property, or while they are building their house and establishing their farm on the neighboring property- seriously, if we aren't willing to help a fellow racially aware white and possibly his family establish themselves in a new way of life, that may end up saving us in the end, then what the hell is the point of any of what we have been advocating? I want everyone to stand on their own two feet, I don't want to babysit everyone and I don't expect I'll have to once I have the details of a working system ironed out through trials in the field.

Like say power, we might only have generator and a bit of solar for convenience/shitposting when we first arrive- who's to say we can't run 80 amps out there if we tried? True, it depends entirely on the location, I ain't paying that damned much to make it happen, but many of the properties do have power available on the edge of the land, and even if most houses aren't powered or only have minimal power, we can make things work until we either figure out a better solution or reduce our reliance on it for comfort until it's plenty for our needs. I honestly don't see us using up half of that for our entire family, with power tool use. Besides, we can always weld with a generator.

Water? Ideal would be building our houses at or downhill from a high spring, so we have water pressure with no electricity, in addition to healthier water than one could ever get in the city- copper pipes only, remove the plastic jew from your drinking supply. If we have to have a well, we have to have a well. Do what you gotta do.

Hunting, with proper planning, you could hunt on your land- grow the tricky shit in greenhouses possibly heated with rocket stoves and for any annual crops you can keep them out with electric fences rather easily, if not dogs. Absolute ideal would be to have land directly next to a national forest/WMA/"wilderness", so you would have several tens of thousands of acres to hunt on right outside your property, as well as to enjoy and subtly redpill with our chestnuts.

Avoiding monsanto shit- in short, yes. They used to use fucked up shit like lead arsenate and methyl bromide back when they were too retarded to realize it's not good to shit where you eat proverbially. Some stuff just hangs around, and will grow good food, but then you'll just die of some weird cancer in your early fifties and nobody will question why, because everyone else around there dies like that, too.

I lived in a major monsanto ag place for a while, they had billboards for their cotton and shit. Never saw as many "Pray for XXX, they have a rare form of brain cancer" posters with kids on em in my life, and I developed a persistent wheeze that immediately went away if I drove a few hours in any direction.

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I grabbed the missing pages out of Google Books and put them into the PDF. Link for complete PDF is my.mixtape.moe/lzehnd.pdf

Fucking this! I grew up on a small holding, but currently live and work in a suburb. All these people have these pretty little lawns that they waste half their sundays pushing a lawnmower over. If they penned it they could put a goat or some poultry to graze it and get actually produce back from it.

Natural lawns are superior, actually supporting the local flora and fauna. Just keep it at a reasonable height, get rid of weeds, and let nature handle her business. I strongly believe that the prevalence of lawns is a big part of the decline of bees, who are essential to natural ecosystems.

looks nice user

You know, once the civil war starts and the cleansing commences, there will be a time when someone will knock on your special snowflake ranch and ask you what you've been doing all the time. I can certainly guarantee, that "I-I stick dick into waifu for progreating dem race and read books all the dime! xD" will earn you a bullet to the head. Not only because of deserting pre-Happening but also for Nu-Maleing.

I have no respect for faggots fleeing the hot anvil of future civil wars to hide on their autism ranch and pretend helping the cause by sticking their dick into a 5/10 and knit fucking socks all day long.

When the Happening Happens, I won't run after niggers or shitskins, but skip to the traitors and cowards first who were hiding all the time and join only after it's "safe" to out themselves.

Says the cityfag. The people living on homesteads, arming themselves and forming local groups will be far better prepared for a happening than your faggot ass.

tbh I'd be interested in funding a startup, maybe several if these costs are legit. I'm just about tired of I.T..
wage cucking 95k a year in a city

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You know you already replied to this thread with that weak luddite b8, right?

Thanks for recommending this!

The book is very inspiring, but also kind of depressing, since my family seems like more of a liability than an asset, particularly in terms of health and finances.

Sometimes I feel like baby boomers will never change their ways, and you have to build your tribe on your own, untarnished by the irresponsibility and jew-induced stupidity of your elders and kinfolk. It sucks.

Liberal faggots are about to wreck that state user

s-so I guess this is the thread for this, I tried making a rough winter-chan sweatband. does this look right, or should I change the proportions or something?

and here it is just to give some idea of the size. I know it's not as cool as memecoins but it's super cheap to make and doesn't take a long time

Do you really think we won't need medical facilities, engineering facilities, etc, etc?? Do you honestly think I would sit aside in the future muslim/leftist invasion?? My kin has too much of a history of patriotic bloodlust for that which you fear- and wouldn't you rather knock your wife up one last time, and leave her in a safe, defensible place, before possibly walking into the jaws of death??

Me too.

That being said, I have no prejudice toward you; as long as you distinguish yourself among our people, you will always be welcome among me and mine.

Become the patriarch of your family- mine is defacto redpilled because I took over leadership. That being said, we were always very close and clannish.

Tennessee, the eastern third, is still fine. Worst we would ever have to deal with is niggers, and niggers can't into climbing mountains.

newly released AF SERE manual
archive.fo/nTDWT (no pics)
sauce:
static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a3/publication/afh10-644/afh10-644.pdf

East TN seems to be ideal for many reasons.

Red as Fuck
Mountains
No state income
Lax building laws.

Yeah, it's independently ideal from several standpoints- botanically it's a wonderland, and will grow our food with less unhealthy (this is important) labor than any other area I can think of- more arm and leg work, less back workout, no pesticides needed if we use our Aryan genius to overcome such obstacles as insects evolved for a monoculture. Culturally, it's absolutely wonderful, where it still exists. Genetically, it is INSANELY awesome; the times I've been there, it's like going back in time to 1939 NSDAP Germany, every grocery store cashier, every gas station attendant, is absolutely BEAUTIFUL. Already a white person's paradise. Not only that, but we could save a culture like that, and ingratiate ourselves to the community, by stamping out the meth-and-pill niggerspic menace by strongarmed brownshirt tactics- nobody gives a fuck if you intimidate a meth user until he chimps out (and is shot), leaves, or repents and becomes a permanent serf, working for the right to have his children raised in a White environment, away from degeneracy.

I honestly think the people would be forever grateful for our community-building and activism.

Good videos on jewtube about permaculture… it seems like a much more sustainable yet lower yielding approach than tilled or no'till garden beds.

Eastern Kentucky is the same fyi, the carolinas, etc… it's the only place botanically and climatically not shitty. Pacific northwest is nice but already smothered in commies.

Living inside Kentucky would save me the weekend trip every time I manage to score some pappy's. What's the tax situation like though? Dixie user makes Tennessee out to be a clear winner there. Biggest problem with carolinas and anything with access to the coast are the sheer hordes of niggers running about. Segregated or not, with numbers like that they'll always be a concern.

Shame west virginia is so cucked politically, anything further south/lower altitude is a bit too warm for my tastes.

ncfag here, I can confirm that there are niggers abound.

really? I was thinking of moving there because it's super white, beautiful naturewise, and has loose gun laws

True, one could theoretically get every bit as much of a yield if you considered all of the ancillary benefits, i.e you could get pork by running pigs through the forest, you would get fruit from the understory, forest products like say burlwood or gourmet/medicinal fungi, wood for making things out of, hunting, etc, etc.

Very true, I'm willing to look at basically wherever, and I eventually want to have a couple places. I do have relatives up there, the only thing that skeeves me out is the whole strip-mining bullshit they do up there, blow up a mountain and dump everything that isn't coal in the surrounding rivers and valleys… a very jewish way to mine, and as harsh as it sounds, if it came between either doing that, or never having electricity, fuck electricity. There should be the death penalty for anyone assisting in that poisonous clusterfuck that doesn't even get much coal, of a shitty quality.

If we're high enough, it isn't warm particularly. The temperate rainforest type areas I'm looking at are rather cool, it varies a lot by elevation.

That being said, I'm not sure what kind of heavy metal poisoning is going on where they did the strip mining, but eventually, if possible, I think it would be the Aryan thing to do to fix the entire system right, and permaculture the entire fucked-up landscape. That being said, I'm assuming there's some serious mercury poisoning going on, and thus it would be a project for the future, even if we could obtain it for free. I'm not poisoning my kids, and I'm not building our future on a piece of ruined land- we have to have a stable community before we can start thinking about that.

It's pretty blue, no surprise, they broke off from virginia to fight against their brothers on behalf of the union. But there's something fucky going on with their administration, liqour laws are actually worse than PA's, which if you don't know are pretty bad, and the taxes are pretty rough for what it is. If you're already got roots there, I imagine you could make it work, but as an outsider you're just going to be resented by very left leaning hillbillies.

That's the idea. I mentioned earlier in the thread (>>9570610) about coordinating with you. Finding an abandoned mining town to by up land in, for those of us who are already financially stable, that's still close enough to viable farmland to pull resources with more agrarian minded anons. The biggest issue with that being as you say, the absolutely fucked environmental situation. I'm hoping things are a little safer near the smaller more modern coal mines that only got shut down after the war, but on that front I'm still rather ignorant. Presumably the father up the mountain we are, the less shit that will make it's way into the water especially if it's possible to settle above the mines themselves.

I'm all up for it, hell, I'll help any way I can. That's every bit as valuable as farming honestly, every bit of it. Everything from coal and iron, to the gemstones females are so fond of (before you knock it, you can get an Aryan child out of the situation sometimes with a shiny gift like that, if any autists out there didn't know).

I got a strong chemistry background too, and I'll do a bit more research on exactly what types of heavy metals are present in the strip mine tailings (if that's the correct term), and see what's up- I want you mineranons and your families to be safe.

I'm not sure if we can get the old mines up and running again, although that's always an option. My main aim was to consolidate us outside of the cities somewhere with land at a low buy in cost, already hooked up into the utilities grid (use em or not, we need to properly zoned or we'll get waco'd), and well suited to anons buying in as we establish ourselves and prove successful. A major hurdle with these threads is the narrow scope of what people can actually do to support themselves, so opening up the option for cheap living among Holla Forumsaks was the problem I'm trying to tackle with this. You could buy up a cheap plot with a house already on it and run your internet business out of it, or collect neetbux, or even drive out for hourly wages, rather than tie everyone interested to a single industry.

Being in proximity to each other has a ton of benefits outside of the obvious support come the happening. We'd have non pozzed foodsupplies, and you'd have a stock of tradesmen to help fix cars, build tools, and craft trinkets to attract breeding stock. Furthermore being right next to each other, we'd have the possibility of (and reason to) pooling money for large scale investments if this were to really take off. As well as a place to send our kids who are less than enthused with the lifestyle, workers could employ farmer kids who wanted a more active lifestyle, and farmers could take worker kids who want the traditional life of working the family farms rather than both of us losing them to ZOG.

This should be our top priority, once we know what to watch out for, and how to detect it we can really limit the search as to where we'll set up.

What is the source for that first picture? I'd love to do a small one acre homestead. Rotating plots is just the one thing conceptually that I'm struggling with.

my favorite book of all time

guys let me know where you end up choosing. I've been looking into land in appalachia for 15 years now and you're all on the right track. The coal mine issue is pretty localized. Northern (hill country) and eastern (Alleghenies) WV is clean, cheap and the rural areas have no zoning / inspection laws. Kentucky west of the main Appalachians (Daniel Boone national forest area) is about the same I think. Eastern TN is one of the nicest areas I've been and I think once you get a bit south of the border with VA, there isn't much strip mining.

Not sure about the cashiers being beautiful. I saw a lot of fats and addicts all up and down these parts.
That said I was in Clarksburg WV for work for a few days, and it was a surprisingly pleasant mix of old (non-sjw) hippies, self sufficient type, ginseng hunting mountain men, farmers, small town business owners. Seems like its been that way forever. I do think the areas that lost the mines are probably the most fucked up environmentally and economically/culturally.

Got a copy you could upload to >>>/pdfs/?

Very true- I have the whole farming thing, not everyone would be happy doing that. We need an integrated community, properly zoned as you said, with the eventual goal of not having to go outside our in-group for any product- allowing us to accumulate capital to improve the lives of our families and people, as I would rather pay a higher price if that meant my Aryan, redpilled brothers could raise their families in a good environment.

Basically, you have to create some sort of rotation, because soil-borne diseases are a thing, and folks ignoring this is why home-garden tomatoes or heirlooms in stores for that matter won't be a thing in 5-7 years. A bit of prevention is much better for your family as opposed to being forced to fumigate your soil with methyl bromide and not only pozzing your land and family, but your produce.

I was specifically referring to one particular visit I had in Blairsville, GA, everyone was beautiful and aryan as fuck, as well as the land being beautiful. This means, at least to me, that there are at minimum pockets of extremely genetically pure, beautiful people up there-
most likely in the areas that demanded fitness to reproduce, and are by definition populated by those based enough to not just up and move to a city.
There are many other areas filled with fucked up, inbred fatties, I'll say that without hesitation.

Its that good that I'm tempted to photograph each page. Also everyone should check out the foxfire books if they haven't been mentioned. North Georgia mountain folks explaining how they survive. Everything from plants, recipes, cabins moonshine stills, you name it.

I did find an older edition: http:// files.diydharma.org/other/John_Seymour-The_Complete_Book_of_Self_Sufficiency.pdf

Someone should start a Holla Forumsony board

wut

I got most all the firefox books, they're pretty good generally, though if you want to know any of the lore, you can just ask.

Yep, late blight specifically is starting to breed sexually as opposed to asexually in the continental united states, which allows it to not only evolve faster, but survive over the winter via spores, as the actual organism dies if it gets down to freezing.

Basically, because farmer fucks and home gardeners in the southeastern united states planted tomatoes over and over in the same spots, and just relied on sprays to get rid of diseases, allowing the blight to evolve. It's the same disease that caused the irish potato famine, hopefully it doesn't happen like that, but if (((folks))) keep doing the same thing they always did, it's a certainty.

We've been haemorrhaging species, or types, or whatever the fuck, since around the end of the war. You don't really notice it in the stores since for ever one we lose three new gene spliced hybrids take it's place, but it's starting to become a real problem as soon all we'll have left is Monsanto estrogen machines. It can be fought be seed sharing, but a lot of people with heirlooms still growing don't bother to collect seeds, simply tending the same plants year after year, which means if they die, the strain is fucked. I'll let someone who actually understands this stuff explain it but even I'm feeling it at the farmer's market.

Let's hold off until we've got some solid plans in motion. Otherwise it's just going to be another dead board with three circlejerking it. As long as these threads are being tolerated here, there's no rush.

You seem to be the one driving this right now, so once you've settled on a region let us know and we'll scour the area for prospective places to send in the colonists.

Earlier in the thread somewhere someone fielded the idea of organising a camping trip. Something we really ought to consider. The Appalachian trail is teeming with good places for that for free and on public land, and summer is right around the corner. If we could get some people moving their bodies in person it might give this whole thing some traction. At worst two or three of us end up getting drunk innawoods, big loss. Invite /k/, they already do nuggetfest so they'll have some experience herding anons.

what do you think about these guys?
http:// www.seedsavers.org/

it used to be a good way to trade, don't know any more. All the small local people who sold heirloom seed they grew themselves have pretty much disappeared, not sure what to suggest to people. If you're new to it, you should probably just try a bunch of random things you'd be willing to eat for the first few years, you'll find what you want over time.

isn't there also that svalbard seed vault?

Never used them, can't say.
I get a mail order, the same mail order I've been getting for decades, when I need something that can't be found locally I just tick the box and send a check. Pretty sure it's a family run operation, don't believe they even have a website, good for some pretty off the wall stuff though. Really ought to donate some of this to a seed share, do my bit.

Doesn't help us here on the ground. And I suspect is full of hyper producing hybrids, rather than what sustained us long enough to reach this point.

The homesteader movement has helped out a good bit. Lot's of yuppies and hippies getting involved on the west coast, so at least those regional varieties will likely survive. Folks over here are getting desperate, even the amish in a lot of cases are growing burpees now.

Yeah, the trick with things is, that most vegetable seeds simply don't keep that well unless you have very carefully prepared them, and keep them in some sort of insane deep-freeze vault like the one in Norway, and even then some species just don't keep for more than 2-3 years. Like say parsnip seed, just doesn't keep well. Thus, with every heirloom, they have to either be grown out in an area that completely prevents crossing with those species that are susceptible to that (some just self-pollinate and are kind of evolved to inbreed with themselves, like tomatoes), every few years, or they disappear forever.

With tomatoes, all the heirlooms with only a tiny exception, have no resistance to late blight. Once late blight starts reproducing sexually and 'gets' in the soil, basically the only solution is to grow resistant varieties, if you don't want to use the most toxic of all farming substances, that I thought was illegal actually but is labelled for late blight. Also, those that fumigate the soil with methyl bromide, don't tend to grow obscure heirlooms. Therefore, we have about 5 years, + maybe 10 maximum since that's how long tomato seeds last, properly prepared in a deep freeze, to create varieties that are as close to the heirloom as possible, while including the blight resistance gene- we need this because all the blight resistant ones that exist nowadays were developed for grocery stores and restaurants, and taste like SHIT, thick skin, no flavor, all of that. Hence my plan to make crosses with a strain that exists that is homozygous (two copies of the gene) for all the blight resistance genes, which luckily are dominant. Cross, then backcross with the original heirloom we wish to preserve over and over, while exposing the offspring after a certain point to the blight, so that only those with the resistance gene survive, and ideally eventually make THAT variety homozygous, for crossing purposes. Either that, or we go CRISPR and insert the blight resistance genes into whatever.

If we can do that, we can bust heads with the prices on our tomatoes, as the hipsters would have went years without a good tomato, as home gardening is becoming impossible in the south and I'm sure other areas as well, and there won't be any source for a regular, tasty, sun-ripened tomato anywhere. Hopefully funding the project.

A region, I know the bioregion we need to go to, https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_temperate_rainforest or thereabouts, basically extreme northern georgia, eastern tennessee, western north carolina, and extreme southwestern virginia; tennessee has the most favorable laws and some of the better, cheaper land, although it is more remote and has the worst prospects of finding an 'outside job'. That being said, part of growing tons of food means that it isn't as big of a deal as it would be; I would think nothing of feeding say a crazy good blacksmith that was making all kinds of awesome blades and such but was having a hard time at marketing them at first, so he could pay for the land, and not have to worry about starving.

Also, I would certainly be up for a meetup, I know a secluded place we could do it but it would be a good idea to go scout it since I haven't been there in forever.

Too long, continued on next post.

I second what the other guy said, it used to be good but I haven't bought any in years, I do have a list of good seed suppliers-
carol deppe's peaceful valley seeds has a lot of creatively bred varieties, her books are all wonderful too.
Southern exposure seed exchange, very good unless you're talking something that has to be extensively bred and rogued, since they're hippies and I wouldn't trust them to do it.
J.L Hudson is good for crazy weird wild plants as well as some edibles.
Johnny's selected seeds is good, parks is good for stuff that needs tons of breeding, especially for the deep south, but is a hair pleb-ish and I wouldn't say go looking for insane rare varieties that you wouldn't find anywhere else, though I could be wrong. Top-notch for what they do.
Territorial seed company is good for their area- that's something critical, you kind of have to find a good seed company for your climate, as the same heirloom could be evolved for different climatic conditions, depending on where it's grown.
Native seeds/search is where you go to look for prarienigger traditional seeds, this can be a good source for really weird, hardy varieties that are just begging to be improved into something useful to us. Like say painted mountain corn/the derived varieties carol deppe bred, if there ever was a prepper's dream crop, that's it. 85 day maturity and it's pretty well cold adapted, some autist in the montana mountains spent his entire life breeding prarienigger corn types together and selecting for hardiness. Plus, you can grow it next to monsanto corn and they'll never pollinate.
Hmmm, I'm forgetting some I'm sure, and you can always harrass folks on dave's garden if you can't find the seed anywhere else. It behooves us to keep our favorite varieties alive, nobody else is going to do it for us. It does a lot to attract females to our cause if we're the only ones that are keeping delicious vegetable genetics alive, and it serves the purpose of illustrating why we're so interested in keeping our own genetics alive- we're the only ones that will ever have a chance to conquer the stars.

expensive man. rareseeds.com and buy small seeds by the Oz. Also sustainableseedco.com for hobby farm scale.

From reading this thread, is Eastern Tennessee what anons are setting on? I'm looking to escape Alaska at least for the summer to have some fun working down in the Lower 48; I need to start making plans ASAP.

trips confirm eastern tenessee as a good destination. I know (((patriotnurse))) lives there, as does hicock45 some youtube people, patriotnurse is a jewess and hicock is the cool old grandfather you never had I don't know too much about the climate but if it's anything like north carolina then make sure to bring lots of sunblock

Nobody has a more convincing argument yet, so it's looking like Tennessee is the place. If we can find some cheap land in the mountains I'm on board with it.

Now there's a list worth saving.

Yeah, I'm kind of trying to force it through, since it's the right area (I'm the dixieanon farmer guy), remote, white, etc, etc etc. Also the right area would sneak around say fallout in a theoretical nuclear war, because of the mountains. Also, the land's cheap, and the scenery is nice as fuck, there are areas that are rainforest similar to the olympia peninsula for example.

Also, I forgot to mention; I have absolutely no idea how to find land specifically like this, but the ideal for farming/planting a forest garden, as well as for the budget, would be to find land in the right area that got hit by the wildfires- charcoal is GOAT for a soil amendment in soils like this, it holds on to nutrients like a capacitor, and in a lot of cases, the land was $1000 per acre or around that, before it burned. Not strictly necessary, but it would be cool to replant a food forest and have it yield better than it ever would if it wasn't planted on burned land.

If we actually can find not fucked up rainforest land for cheap, it's kind of shady and misty all the time, as far as the sun, wear a giant hat and wet yourself down all the time. Then again, I'm from farther south, worked outside/in a greenhouse my whole life, so I just kind of ignore it and have people trying to speak to me in spanish at the end of the summer- I suppose take my advice on the heat with a grain of salt, hahaha. It's much cooler than the rest of the south, and is described as "cool and moist" on wikipedia.

auction.com
landwatch.com

No shiny toys. No space colonies. No robowaifus. No schway. No runs. Nothing

Tech only enslaves.

I think you're lying. All of those things are controlled by kikes and if you try to do them, they'll end up vetting you, finding out you're not one of them and ruining you over it.

Good things don't happen, user. That's the only lesson I've taken from my life.

Good things don't happen.

You having a rough day, user?

I think I understand you now about the late blight, and breeding resistance is important, but I don't see it being quite so dire. I'm also not in the south though.

the biggest thing with finding seed is if the person who grew it actually knows what they are doing, and that's out of your hands with a lot of companies.

You THINK that, but wait until you actually got there:

There is no consensus here. It would be the first day of nothing but gunshots and murder as everyone figured out who our Hitler was and who's waifu was a shit. The next few days would be the few know-how fags trashing everyone else for not having the skills while lazing about, refusing to teach anyone else or put their labor in for "useless eaters". Then the Feds would descend on the place and kill anyone who wasn't dead already.

You. Can't.

Fuck off defeatist shill.

Every day is a rough day for me. Existence itself is torturous and pointless.

But, that's how it's always been though. Nothing has ever "improved" without a greater loss right after. It's Fate.

I just want it to all be Over.

What else is there but defeatism for the defeated? Show me where you're winning. Show me where you're growing. Show me something real.

I'm right and you know it.

oh no it's the ashes and echoes guy.

Filter and ignore derailing defeatist shills.

Then what are you doing here?

Whatever. I'm right and you know it.

Still right. Still know it. World is still shit. You still know it. Life is still filth. You still know it.

Being enslaved by the kikes like you are. What else is there?

When your argument is redtext, redditspacing and blackpills.

Damn dude, I'd troll you but I think you're a bit demoralized- I used to think like you did, then it all fell into place. I'm not sure what advice to offer you honestly, except seek to spend time alone in nature. Yes, the jews control everything, I understand that- I have kids, I've had my ups and downs, but I understand that life has the *potential* to be good- is that not enough to fight for??

Or are you a shill? I think you mistake our intentions- this is something I've done before. Our Hitler may not be here yet- I'm fully willing to be his John the Baptist until that day comes. I already got a large group (my family) that's already redpilled and got our heads screwed on straight- there won't be any violence, if for no other reason than we're better at it than most.
Also, why the fuck would I trash people for not knowing something I'm trying to spread, and I think you mistake how ridiculously easy most agricultural stuff is- if niggers can do it effectively enough to be worth money, what does that say about you if you think you couldn't handle it??

I hope you're right, it's pretty damned bad here, in the northeast, and in the pacific northwest, and once it gets bad, it stays bad. It was also somewhat of a generalization, that definitely is tomato ebola, but there are other diseases fucking things up.

I would filter you but I think any White deserves at least a chance at being helped- how have you been defeated?? You do know that National Socialism is spiritually diametrically opposed to defeatism- if nothing else, die trying to protect what is good and right in the world, as opposed to letting yourself be subjugated by it. Honestly, you would be welcome at the farm if you're willing to pull your weight- any of that defeatism bullshit would get your ass kicked out at gunpoint so fast your head would spin, however. If you at least tried, and were honest about things, regardless of whether we agreed or not, you would be useful, as long as you didn't actively shit up everyone else's life.

Try, be a man about things, and stop derailing the thread.

I'm still right. You still know it. Everything is still shit. You still know it.

You are a fucking liar. Stop lying.

I have spent time alone in nature. Nothing helps.

http:// pastebin.com/FsEaQirr

Read this and Cringe Harder.

How? All women are whores. I'm nearly 30 and have no chance at anything meaningful. Nigger, I live in Alabama, on a farm. I know how this shit works. It's not going to work with Holla Forums. Too many bad things always happen.

There is nothing good or right in the world. It's all shit. Nothing should have ever existed. I've always hated it all. I can't think of a time that I have lived that I haven't hated everything and wanted the entire universe to vanish.

You can't NOT let yourself be subjugated by it if it's literally everything that exists!

What else is there but defeatism for the defeated? We have all been defeated. By the very existence we live in.

AND AGAIN

No, it doesn't. It has never had the potential to be good. Ever. It has never had the potential to be anything but constant torture.

There is nothing to fight for. None. Never has been. Never will be. All dreams are dead. We are the dead.

AND FINALLY

Because it's getting time for me to travel on back to the hole away from King's Landing…

There is nothing else but this. Everything in life has always been this shit to my eyes. I cannot see anything good. It won't let me see anything good. There is nothing but defeatism. I have been defeated, before I ever even started. I've been like this since I was seven years old. There is no hope. Nothing has helped. Nothing can ever help. Nothing will ever help.

And each of you are just as broken as me. Screaming on the inside like me. Just as tortured as me. And when you finally cry out, you will be just as defeated as me.

Time is a Flat Circle. Thus, Everything Must Suck; Always.

Ashes and Echoes

You're pretty much wrong on everything actually.
iphone is shiny, and my comp is breddy gud
thats because of (((budget))) problems.
dont need them anyway
Except how alternate media won Trump the election

You're not even familiar with Permaculture or Homesteading. You say you're on a farm? Have you added Tera-Preta to your soil?

Or do you spray any chemicals?

HAHAHAH you're fucking mental!

No wonder you can't find a good wife, you're not even low energy, you're ZERO energy. I doubt you've even tried dating from the way you're talking

Ah, thats an ez filter. I doubt a "farmer" would be whining like you on Holla Forums

Stopped reading
Nope, stopped reading.

no reason to talk to you then, you're not one of us.

No, they are not. Women need our help, they don't come ready like some anime character.

You still have time, you just need to work on status, charisma, that sort of thing, then redpill a girl. You clearly have some very annoying characteristics core to your personality that you need to change though, and we're not your parents so go fix yourself.

Speak for yourself.

Also
I didn't know farmers had such low T

TL:DR
GET OUT NIGGER

Now that that depressing faggot is filtered we can go onto better things.

vimeo.com/28848933

You should have some ice cream.

Anti-derailing update:

I'm looking using one of the sites a helpful user suggested, going through county by county, and it seems the cheaper land just so happens to be in 98%+ White counties, which is always welcome to hear. There are saltpeter mines, which I suppose is interesting for prep purposes; not only can it be used to directly produce gunpowder, but is decent fertilizer.
There seems to be large amounts of land available in certain areas, either as 'hunting land' or for 'retirement', whatever that means. Anywhere between a grand and two grand an acre, we basically have our pick. That being said, it would behoove me to go physically out there and inspect any land, and test the soil.

*sigh*, I guess I'll take the bait, I empathize somehow.
(then I read your pastebin, and empathize further)
I'll help, dude. You grew up in alabama on a farm, certainly you could be of help if we got you fixed. Who would I be if I wasn't willing to help those, who were as I were when I needed help the most, and didn't get it??

I was like you, similar upbringing in a way, different situation, perhaps not even as bad in certain aspects, worse in others. Without giving away details, I kind of gave up fully, finally, under the pressure. I was older than you are now. I (inb4 degenerate) started to abuse MXE for a while, degenerate, yes, I felt better, but figured it was because I was high. Then I ran out, didn't have the cash to get more, and sort of stayed better. Somewhere in the mix of this I met the most perfect, beautiful girl that I've ever met in my life, and successfully redpilled her- at that point, I approached everything as one giant troll- it worked somehow, I'm still not sure how, and many, many details were omitted to protect the innocent.

Things can be horrible, user. Things can always get better, too. Stop worrying about the details, and devote yourself to a cause- our cause. If nothing really matters anyways, why not piss off the bastards that did this to us, by clinging to hope, by refusing to be demoralized, by having lots of WHITE CHILDREN, and raise them how you deserved to be raised, how every white child deserves to be raised.

By admitting defeat, you're letting them win. At bare minimum, if you're going to anhero, at least take somebody that deserves it with you. Don't fight against us because you feel your life is pointless- allow us to give meaning to your life, a reason to live, and perhaps even children of your own- if I could fucking do it, anyone can.

Now back to the subject at hand- saving the white race, and preserving the beauty of the White Aryan woman.

You can force yourself to work from online.

Hmmm, fucking brilliant, user. I've never heard of tadelakt, it seems like it solves many of the problems with cob for our purposes, namely the problem with moisture exposure. This will make the females very, very happy, as we can build it, and they can rice it out with intricate carvings of rare pepes. Watching the video now, should be interesting, from what I've seen so far as well as experience, the trick will be getting each "main house" for every different plot of land properly permitted and satisfy code requirements, so they shut the hell up and let us build the rest of our "sheds" the way we like, possibly working to 'legalize' any of the unusual building methods we may end up using in our homes.

All this talk about homesteading and self-reliant survival, but I'm here thinking how much better would it be to just make a small farm of something profitable. You can earn enough money in the city to build a small farm, then hire people to work on it. It doesn't have to be massively profitable, you'd then have not only the space for a house but the income to not live like a hermit.

That's at least my plan, except that since my job has always been farming, the usda is willing to basically cut me a check to buy the land to do it, at prime as fuck interest. I kind of hijacked the thread to see what folk's interest in helping is at, since I'll need tons of help and would welcome any like minded neighbors- I refuse to hire non like-minded people unless its an absolute emergency, and the more decent help I get, the more money we all can make.

For anons that wish to know, the plots I'm looking at seem to be between about $35,000 and $75,000, for anywhere between about 30 acres to 70 acres. I'll have to autistically find the exact right area for it to be maximally profitable for all of us, but the land's cheap- at the high end it's like $424 a month out the door for the type of loan I can get. We can get that almost without trying between my family and anyone else who comes.

The trick will be building a house at the same time as earning the money, and spending as little as possible on it by using local materials to the greatest extent possible, hence the need for 'homesteading' type discourse, since that's where one generally gleans information on how to creatively build a house for cheap.

Actually profitable farms, not including whoring themselves for the government, are in the single digit percentages.

Liar Liar.

Besides, doesn't matter. Kampfy deleted all my posts and nobody has ever really given a shit. Things cannot get better. Improvement is an illusion that lies to you before a greater fall. Just how I see things.

==You. Can't.== You can't give me meaning or a reason to live if you wanted to. And you don't.

You're not pro-white. You're just pro-you

Just because you did it, doesn't mean anyone else can. In fact, that probably means that nobody else can because it's a zero-sum game from the start.

There is no cause. There is no hope. There is no light. There is no hope.

Only. Eternal. Misery.

Its true, though it's counting the government welfare farmers, faggots that abuse the zoning/property tax laws by growing 2 acres of hay which suddenly makes them a "farm", and folks using farming as an expensive method of retirement.

I've been around farmers a lot, I'll tell you how most of them do it.

They own a piece of land, which they contract out to a company that basically plants, sprays, and harvests everything, takes care of all of it. This company is affiliated either with Monsanto, or that other evil bastard ag company I can't think of the name of right now.

The middlemen come in, plant GMOs, unnecessarily spray every-fucking-thing around with everything they have, harvest, etc, and do the whole thing. The whole operation is a complete waste of money, and isn't profitable at all, so the government cuts a check for X amount per acre depending on the crop. A good chunk of that is eaten up by the middleman, leaving the (((farmer))) with his house note paid, and a bit of pocket money. They're always whining for more gibsmedats, bemoaning how poor they are when every single fucking one of their grandchildren drive brand new F-350 duallys, or else are tearing ass around the town in brand-new 4 wheelers, that are written off as a 'farm expense'.

Then you have the guys that don't get gibs and have to actually be profitable; these tend to be quite based, if a bit hollow between the ears when it comes to actually growing things properly. Like, asking for a job at a giant vegetable transplant producer, I asked out of curiosity how often his spray schedule was. His answer? Every day, with imidocloprid. That's the shit that they think is killing the bees, isn't cleared for vegetable transplants, and persists in the plant for 6-12 months. I asked him why, it's because "he needed to make sure Juan was around, since nobody else would spray that stuff"….. I then asked how many PPM of nitrogen he used on his lettuce transplants, out of curiosity, he answered "Two bags per house. I never actually tested the stuff, don't trust the scientists that made the injectors". This was a major outfit, that sells to farmers in California. Based or not, I didn't want cancer, so I left.

That being said, I can understand wanting to have a farm, and having other sources of income, I've just done it enough to know I can make money at least with the things I have experience with.

AND AGAIN

This is impossible. You cannot refuse to be demoralized. You either are, or you aren't. There is no choice here.

I shouldn't even think of helping you with any kind of idea since you hate me so damn much, but:

Shipping Containers.

They're flooded in the market right now, and three 8ftx40ft containers can be welded together, cut out in the hallways and reinforced with rebar to be earth-sheltered homes that you can finish in about a month on the inside.

But that's assuming the ZOG doesn't carpetbomb you for being a bunch of white people on a commune that isn't hippie degenerates.

Why haven't the mods made the phrases "Ashes and Echoes" and "Liar Liar" and "You are not pro white, you're just pro you" an autoban, or better a shadow ban. This motherfucker has been shitting up threads for years at this point

Because I'm right and you know it.

Go ahead and ban the very phrasing I use, I'll just adapt, dodge the ban, come back and shitpost on you some more.

I'm right and you know it. I don't even have to sign my posts. Just the aura of my tone itself lets you know that we're here forever. This is a place of punishment.

yeah, your pure emo angst is uncommonly annoying. Tell us about your faggot friend that got killed by a lawn mower or whatever again, faggot.

And see

Where I actually contributed more than you to the thread.

You can't even get the story right to try find knives from my past to stab me with. What the fuck kind of shitposter are you?

Read it again.

AND AGAIN

See

Where I contributed more than you.

sigh. I'm still willing to try, even to engage- and to be honest, if you were right, I wouldn't change a thing, and would still be doing what I'm doing. I promise I'm not trolling you, and I promise I'm not lying or trying to convince you of something I didn't experience.

I figure this is the last time I'll have the fortitude to continue to defend your actions, so I'll try and make it good.

I can't forcibly give you meaning, but I can try. I can't know that I'll be successful, or that everything won't fall apart eventually, but I can try. Trying is what has given my life meaning, and has resulted in every bit of success I have obtained- and paradoxically that resulted from giving up and letting go.

If nothing matters, then why not go for what you wish? I'm not lying when I say I could use your help. I'm not lying when I say that it is possible to turn things around. And, I'm not lying when I say I have no hate for you. I appreciate your advice, I've heard the shipping container meme but reinforcing with rebar to allow them to be earth-sheltered without collapsing is a great idea to be honest.

If they fight us, I won't go down without taking at least 10 of those bastards with me personally, and likely more. If that's how it goes, I'll die with honor, and I'd be proud to be right by your side if that's the case. I was given , no I EARNED, a literal Holla Forums-tier virgin waifu, that which I didn't think existed, but i have seen it with mine own eyes. Would you back away from the ZOG in fear had you been given that opportunity?? Would you not at least honor the opportunity you've been given in life, and keep the shining eyes of your blonde-haired, blue-eyed son away from the pain and misery that life under the ZOG indeed is??

Like I read somewhere before (I think a shitty thread here), the challenge may be to face the despair, and steel ourselves to destroy that which is evil, without becoming evil ourselves. If that is what earth means, if that is the challenge we have been given, I accept wholeheartedly and without hesitation; if not for myself, for what could be. Folks like you and I are a bit damaged by our interaction with Jewish society- what better use than to do what needs to be done? I'd rather take on the task of tearing down that which is degenerate for the benefit of the pure, even if it damages me- so that my son may never know what that pain is like.

If girls can be virgin NEETs too, does that not kind of change the paradigm a bit?? I'm not talking fatties either- literally the most attractive girl I've ever met, was a virgin I turned into a natsoc.
I'll go ahead and post for your benefit, and samefag if necessary.

It should be noted that shipping containers are coated with, and may be painted or sprayed with pesticides in order to prevent invasive species from spreading.

If you ever use one, the wood should be completely replaces, and the paint/rust should be sanded while wearing protective equipment, and then the whole thing repainted.

Some more on what you are getting yourself into: containerhomeplans.org/2015/04/are-shipping-container-homes-dangerous-to-live-in/

BEHOLD MY DIGITS AND THE POWER THEY COMMAND!

http:// www.equipmenttrader.com

Search for Shipping Containers and you want to get ones that are Cargo Worthy.

Thanks for that user. I'd figure you'd have to seal the entire thing in Kills and refloor them to ensure proper moisture barriers, but that's another thing to consider.

Fuck, so many grammatical errors in that. Time for bed.

At least you gave good info before you crashed.

Leaderanon, make an email throwaway like the lad in charge of /namibia/ did. I also wonder, will these threads be on allowed Holla Forums in the future and not be anchored, or will a separate board have to be made for /tennessee/?

kek is a false god(HERETIC WAS PURGED FOR THIS POST)

I'd suggest a seperate board. That way you can try and mitigate shills and infiltrators. Good luck to you guys though. I'm close to that neck of the woods, so you may hear more from me when I get wind of it.

Getting close to shine season anyways.

And you're fucking Filtered.

Fucking Christ, maybe we wouldn't hate you if you weren't such a fucking overdramatic edgelord the whole time

well then. This one thread you said something semi useful. You still shit up the thread with your incessant wrist slicing bullshit, just like you've done to dozens of threads in the past.

this guy has been doing this for years. You can't reason with him.

I'm a faggot. I reported myself for trying to ruin a get. Insert:
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I'm an overdramatic edgelord because my mental illness overshadows my contempt for whores and threads about whores, yes.

And Again:

Everything is still shit. So where are we now?

Don't try to defend my actions or me at all. There's no point in it, I know I'm indefensible outside of saying: "Reincarnation is the highest form of spiritual torture." Really, I get it. I know I'm the problem, but that won't stop me from reminding people that things like me are possible.

You can fuck up permanently.

I do. It just always fails. Always. There is nothing else. Fate will not allow it.

I do try. It's just that nobody sees it, nobody cares and when it fails, everyone just laughs. It's Fate. Nothing else has ever happened. Why should anything else ever happen?

I can't believe that. The dagger twisting in my head won't let me believe that. I'm sorry. I can't believe anything other than that the entire universe hates everything in the entire universe because existence without the cognitive dissonance destroying me.

It gets better.

Use tires filled with sand and gravel plus T-posts driven through the center to make retaining walls and you can lay full scale steel beams across that. Gives you a nearly two foot thick retaining wall and an incidental Faraday cage due to the radial steel belts.

Full of these impossible ideas that I can never do because I'll never have the money, help, credit or worthiness in any other area to ever enact them. Heh.

You don't die with honor. Honor is for the living of our own race. That's it.

See the above statement where I can't believe in that. Too much has gone wrong. You can fuck up permanently.

I literally cannot. Because that kind of thing would never happen to me. Fate won't allow it. The pattern is too apparent and to easy to see.

And he did reason with me. You didn't. Wanna know how that happened?

Of course you don't.

Addendum: This would allow you to build a shell that you could then turn into other ground sheltered housing. Tires you can get easy by filling out a state form to recycle tires.

And get this: They give you money to take them away. So your building material becomes a income additive instead of a cost.

And of course it can deflect leftist inquiry or maybe even get support, but only for the first bit. Greenfags won't be able to resist sending you $23 dollars to help fight the plague of tire dumping.

And again:

No. It doesn't. I cannot see it any other way anymore. All women are whores. AWALT. It's too true because of how their behavior always goes. Even the virgin NEETs have popular girl friends and cousins who are all whores and will use their social proof and power within the female hierarchy to ensure that every relationship always fails.

How do I breed the tomato to be blight resistant?

More On Underground Housing

In TN, where Tornadoes can be a bitch and the hills are awesome, plus don't forget the heat; underground housing can fix all of these problems for you by not dealing with them in the first place.

After you shelter your home with around 3-5ft of Earth, you will maintain an average temp of 60F in all seasons, give or take a deviation for windows and other things that cause heat gain or loss.

Ask Gregor Mendel. He knows.

Or you could use a greenhouse and avoid the blight as much as you can. Better yet, use a greenhouse anyways and breed blight resistant strains. Then sell those strains to other farms in the network.

It may suck dealing with folks like this sometimes, , but unless he gets fixed or somehow perma-banned, he'll be here. I for one would like to think that a farm boy from alabama would be useful, and if nothing else, I'll get a worker, he'll get a waifu, and Holla Forums will get less demoralization.

demoralizedanon, don't ever think that you're alone and worthless- as a stand-alone complex of mostly autistic neetsocs, we're all kind of alone and worthless from the perspective of the ZOG. We have an opportunity to create value for ourselves, outside their system. I'm not suggesting a commune- I'm suggesting a community. Our fuhrer was lonely and demoralized for a good portion of his life, Goebbels was, too. Those who have lived lonely and miserable lives have gone on to do great things- do you think George Lincoln Rockwell had an awesome personal life?? Read about it if you don't know. You could be our fuhrer and not even know it- snap the fuck out of it (which is CERTAINLY easier said than done), and at least try, if for no other reason than to spite (((those))) responsible for making our culture so poisoned as to produce demoralized youths as yourself. Don't think you're alone in experiencing these things, user. And, before I get back to the business at hand, which necessitates focusing on what we must do, take this piece of parting advice- I did a bit of research, to see if there's any easily obtainable substance that could emulate the glutamate release of the other NMDA-antagonists known to work in reversing depression caused by stress-induced excitotoxicity, some folks have anecdotally reported that 350-500+ milligrams of DXM (yes, the robo-tripping shit) can "break" a cycle of depression, most likely through the same mechanism as the others, which allows the brain to recover from the damage caused by extreme stress. Now, don't say nobody tried, don't say nobody cares, because I did, and I do. Now, either chill out, contribute, or demoralize somewhere else, please. I ain't got the energy nor inclination to give up what I'm doing to try and help someone that insists on attacking what I do.

Perhaps, I'll give anybody a good chance or two, then that's it. The thread must go on.

Hah, my family's been at it for generations- would say more but it would be unwise. Maybe you'll get to try some of my peach some day- I'm picky with my distillation, I make a deep cut of the heads and tails, and like to distill my fruit liquors once- preserving every bit of the bouquet of the fresh fruit in at least the case of the peach.

[email protected]/* */, give it a couple of minutes to update before you try to email.

I most likely will, I'll post with an update when I do. It'll probably be best to keep it here as long as possible though, to draw in as many as we can.

Cross any variety with iron lady, which is homozygous for all blight resistant genes, which luckily are all dominant, and the variety is automatically resistant. Improving the taste from there, if necessary, is the trick.

Its almost as if my demoralization posting is the outflow of my own angst so that the important people in my life are exposed to less of it IRL. And the deliberate bad argument works as an immunization and eventual pavlovian training technique to induce people to hate nihilism on default.

I've always been worthless. The results of my attempts to change my life speak for me. I've got one or two last gambits up my sleeves, but if they don't play out, I'm beyond all hope.

No degenerate drugs can fix this. And they are all degenerate. There isn't anything other than results.

All that does is make me feel worse and even more worthless by comparison.

And again:

Look at the results.

Hubris.

I can't think that, because I might like that role too much, and for all the right reasons. and it's just too good to happen to me. Every time I've thought I was worth something, I was proven wrong and destroyed by the results of the failure.

Every Time.

I can't just snap out of it. I can't just try like you think it means to try. It's a very… oblique path that I have to take with it, otherwise the cognitive dissonance destroys me. I cannot abide or tolerate failure. And that's the only result I ever seem to get…

I wasn't even including the hobby farmers and the absentee tax dodge stuff. That's not really what farmers do here, but the overall description and outcome is pretty much the same.

Dubposter please understand: we all have hard stories and nobody here cares about one user's endless blog. You're just drowning the conversation with personal stuff only you care about. Go fix yourself and come back when you're ready to lead or follow.

I can't.

There is no fixing that can be done. I'm an example of how you can fuck up permanently. And, again I have been contributing to the conversation.

Thank you for contributing, you're right about the greenhouse thing, it'll be a ton of hand labor to hand pollinate tomatoes, pushing to get as many generations per year as possible, to get something resembling the original with both blight-resistant genes- which would then have the benefit of being both awesome, and able to be bred with any other heirloom, making it blight resistant too.

And for that, a piece of advice-

You'd be shocked. Mine seemed to be at the top of her friends social hierarchy, or at least my autistic ass perceived it to be thus. She has made me very, very proud in that regard. I'm telling you- a couple years ago, I was where you were, in a sense; I've been hurt before, and her sheer radiant purity gives me hope for the future of the White race. A real, pure, 3d waifu if you will.
Now, if you will, keep the thread on topic, and if you want to vent/argue/whichever, email me, and I'll do what I can. I would explain things, my past, my thoughts on things, with a bit more detail if it could possibly help you, if it isn't on a public forum.

Just email me, I would like nothing more than to help a demoralized White southern male, and I'll try even if I'm doomed to failure- if nothing else, get your catharsis from me, so at least this specific thread can stay on the right track- I owe everyone this much, including yourself. You wouldn't be the first person I pulled out of the hole you're in, for similar reasons, since I've fixed myself.
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Very true- I'm in the unique position of being able to get essentially a blank check from the usda, and having very, very close friends who are willing to pay the land bill worst case, even if it never makes a dime- it's worth the 400 a month maximum to live there to them, and I'm confident enough in my ability to profit I was going to do it anyways.

University student/future teacher here, I would gladly serve a Holla Forumscommune, no interest on sitting on my ass, though. I hadn't posted yet because my experience and knowledge with agriculture is negligible.

Again:

I cannot believe that. I've seen too much of it to think otherwise. I haven't just been hurt.

I am Hurt. I exist as misery. I am vitriol. There is nothing more in me anymore. It's not something you can reconcile. Only results can reconcile it, and even then I cannot forgive them or me. You cannot break my autism on this.

And I did email you.

What subject. Don't think that unpozzed scholastics won't be needed. And once you get Charter School Accredited, you can turn out winning test scores.

**Chiron. Wounded Healer, if that user is on here.==

It's never too late, user. Read pic related, press Alt+F4 and go outside to get some fresh air, then start whatever feels like the first step into unfucking your life.

Chans are the last place you should be in right now.

Seconded, that's the quote I was looking for.

I've been trying to help him, because I've been there, and demoralizedanon just might be the next Goebbels for all we know.

Nigga. Done. Stole. My. Rhymes.

I just can't get it off the ground or get anything in working order where I am to get dat USDA check and shiiieeeet.

No.

Fresh air doesn't fix it. There is no first step, because there is no step that can really be taken. Every attempt to take a step ends up becoming The Wrong Thing.

It's always The Wrong Thing. If I think it out and try to act tactfuly, it's the Wrong Thing. If I think fast and use my intuition, it's the Wrong Thing. If I'm absolutely sure it's the right thing to do at the time, as the situation unfolds, twists will be revealed to make it The Wrong Thing.

Fate cannot be denied.

I'm pretty sure Goebbels didn't have cosmic fuckery ensuring everything he did or touched turned to shit and everyone was destroyed at the end and hated each other.

Or maybe he did, because the Reich isn't around anymore… ;^)

Thank for the advices. I think I need to give the seeds away to white people for free because I don't like to reap the profits like a Jew. Everyone need to have seed vaults so they can use and share them during the famines and disease plagues.

Literature and History. Specifically Classical and Medieval. I'm going in to specifically fight today's (((Humanities)))

Good, I have an excellent science teacher coming as well, that can fill in everywhere I'm lacking when it comes to botany as well- knows the dichotomous keys and the like.

As long as we don't clutter the board with them, or spam reporting people for heresy…
Though you can take it to >>>/tok/ if you want to plan on a dark board that's slower.

Dude, get your leaf ass to bed. You've been up too late again and are drifting into automatic shitposting. I know this, I also have this problem. Also, eat some bacon before you sleep, you'll feel better in the morning.

Then you'd be indispensable in a commune like that, at least as a Teacher. Agricultural skills is all about good habits, muscle memory and working within the confines of the land. Knowing when to plant what, how much to irrigate.

Never call me a fucking leaf again.

Rogueskills? Is that you?

You're still doing that hippie mafia op? Hope that's going good for you. If you find any antifa types in those places, covertly ID them and upload the results.

Please improve the quality of our discussion by powering off your computer.

No. You fuck off. I'm staying

Wow, there are two of you crazy posters here?! Go to /tok/ please! I can't believe we missed someone as autistic as you. Gotta collect all the autismo we have and weaponize it, as was digitized. Shadilay. Praise kek, sieg Hiel!

Then please have the courtesy to not being an attention whore that sticks out like a sore thumb with relentless crying about your personal life issues.

Life's hard, get used to it.

http:// www.memphistn.gov/Portals/0/pdf_forms/ordinances/5334_ProposedTireOrdinance_wSum.pdf

Laws for in and around Memphis to get scrap tires for building materials. In AL we can just fill out a permit and pay 35 dollars a year to haul them off from used tire stores. They give you about 1.50 a tire.

Fill them with dirt and gravel and they form columns when anchored with rebar. Then use other tires cut once to make it a strip of radial belt steel rubber, and use that to "weave" the structure together.

I'm glad you'd have me anons. If the plans for this really do turn out to be long term I'll make sure to stay tuned

I don't think you know what you just requested.

to

I need sleep.

Myself as well, I'm about to keel. The trumpensleep schedule cuts me off rather quickly when it's time to crash.

When people ask questions, I answer. When personal things apply, I post them.

Fucking. Deal. With. It.

No. I will not get used to it. I will continue to make gambles to escape this shit entirely until I do. Amor Fati is a bullshit copout to the problem and quesiton!

I stated my latenight shitposting problem already. I'm somewhat delirious…

Am I the only third shift person here?

Heh. What has happened to muh chans?

Delirium is the base oracular state, user. You have always known this.

I am deaf and I am jealous of your life. I love to have your life so I can hear the natural sound of pinky old men. I don't whine about the natural sounds that I will never hear them.

How long have you working on the farm for?