Breaking the Smug Fedora-Tipping "Euphoric" Bubble

Don't take their ideas seriously. Laugh at them. Nothing flummoxes a leftist more than his super serious reading of Das Kapital and theories on the glorious worker's utopia ahead simply being laughed at.

If you really want to make them look idiotic, ask them to explain, non-emotionally, why equality is inherently good. They've never actually pondered this question.

This is false, they have pondered it and on a subconscious level they realize that forced equality would help them because they are either ugly, or weak, or stupid. They wont admit that, though. Don't assume that your enemy is foolish, stupid, or incompetent, even if they are, it doesn't help you to underestimate them.

Velenzuela isn't real communism.

Well put, user.

As far as trying to save leftist whites, I find that the cadence and tonality similar to that which you would speak to a child is best. You can try to brute force ideas into them, but you are likely to simply breed resentment in a mind that simply cannot comprehend what it desires to comprehend.

I find it best to lead them, often times by the hand, through very simple and digestible ideas and questions that will, in the end, form the foundation for their considerations about adopting a new belief that they will likely think they have come to on their own and will never thank you for. It is thankless but effective. I also like to begin with some ridiculous statement about how they are correct about something, as once people get the idea that you are in disagreement with one another often times their ears stop working or their emotions cloud judgment.

Agreement:

Just the simple ego boost from this "yes" likely releases dopamine in the soft, brainwashed mind

Simple & agreeable premise:

Finally :

They will do most of the talking. Obvious regurgitation of other people's opinions, and academia approved positions. But these are mind-numbingly easy to counter.

Simply ask them questions about what they consider right, wrong, valuable, beautiful. Allow them to provide the opinions ,and finally reframe their opinions in the context of any one of a myriad of issues. Most people aren't truly (((this))) fucking stupid. Just brainwashed.

Also check em & praise kek

Yeah. I know that. What I mean is, by asking them to explain non-emotionally, they have to put words to it, and because it's rooted in their insecurity, they will be laughably incompetent and feel inferior the whole time. By asking them to make the case for equality, you force the smug faggot layer off of him and get to the pathetic coward underneath.

It's prison rules breh. Logical well thought out arguments are useless. Short witty retorts BTFO'ing them is the best way, be sure however to shame and humiliate them. They should fear opening their mouths again. The only prerequisite for this is that you are smart yourself.

Addendum: It's not, more accurately, that they havent pondered why equality is good, it's just that they haven't tried viewing it sans emotions.

This is what they always say. It doesn't fucking matter. When a government is violently overthrown by a proletariat uprising for the purpose of creating a communist government, this is what you get. This is what the Soviet Union got. This is what Maoist China got. This is what happens when a bunch of semi-literate peasants suddenly find themselves without an upper class.
Communism is bullshit and a lie to its very core.

This is a very good point. If you treat them nicely and feign respect, they will be far more receptive to what you have to say. Especially if they think that they're having an honest conversation with you, even though you are secretly pushing them towards things they would shriek at if they were made aware of them.

Interesting, I've never thought about it that way. I'll have to try that.

Well Soveit Russia wasn't overthrown by the Proletariat
Jews don't work a day in their lives

I should append this with a final crucial condition. This is for people you actually give half a fuck about.
Some are asleep. Others are born ready for the rope.
And it approaches.

I can see that working well on women. They'll follow the biggest head that others are following, if you cut off that head effectively & frequently enough, they'll shift focus to you as their new shepard followed by any sufficiently insecure betas.

I agree with that as well, individuals I've met who are complete insufferable cucks, I make no attempt at helping. I simply nod my head and smirk at whatever nonsense they're saying and allow them to continue on their path towards destruction.

That being said all Holla Forumsacks should focus on improving themselves as much as possible. You must have presence before attempting to convince.

Here's a simple script you can use.

You: "So, what difference do you think race makes? Do you think it has any biological significance?"

Liberal: "No, on the biological level, race doesn't exist."

You: "So there's really no such thing as races. So then I should treat everyone as if I don't see race?"

Liberal: "No, that's disrespectful, you should always keep the background of POC in mind."

You: "So race doesn't exist but I have to always remember and be aware of it. Ok…"

Basically, find the most contradictory, illogical parts of their belief system and attack them. The best approach is to argue in group settings with a leftist true believer who you can humiliate in front of their friends. That's the fastest way to sow seeds of doubt in their dogma.

I am actually living in the Socio-Communistic Petro-Confederancy of Saudi Caracas. The PSUV latest tactics online on their "communicational guerrilla" front is using that exact same phrase to discredit the failed state pushed and instated by Chavez because of certain private industries, that can't move their assets elsewhere due to money conversion and travel restrictions by CADIVI, that are still operational and thus we are still no "true socialism". Once blasted the fuck out by video macros of the endless times Chavez went and sacked family-run business and communal thrift shops they will fall into blaming everything on Maduro or accusing you of being a CIAnigger endlessly and claiming the CLAPs will solve everything, when you have to be a literal card-wearing commie enchufado to recieve one box of what's essentially humanitarian aid from Mexico and Brazil being sold by the state.

Fuck communism my man, all i am is hungry as shit.

You guys over-estimate the power of facts and reason. If you are still a leftist beyond a certain age you are too stupid to ever get out of that thinking process no matter what and since you've sacrificed your youth it's also difficult to admit you wasted your best years on dumb crap.

Dead on. Many balk at the first sign of confrontation. And disagreement about these things because "muh racism" is an absolute short circuit that has been implemented in an otherwise somewhat capable populace. These communists and kikes love nothing more than getting together and agreeing about shit. Make them think that's what this is. Hide your power level at all costs. A man who does not correctly judge your power level does not deserve symmetrical warfare. he deserves defeat.

I don't understand how leftists can give creationists shit for denying evolution when they're denying it themselves every time they deny race. Well, I understand it to an extent, I just don't get how they keep getting away with it. It's so blatantly hypocritical a child could see it.

The only way to beat someone who is arguing in bad faith is to wear them down through perpetually switching between mockery and hatefact assault. Alternatively, take the Yuri Bezmenov route and crush their balls. I've had several run-ins with STEM warriors here, and their exasperation at their kike science not being taken for granted is always obvious. Their faith has become subverted to serve empty transhumanistic scientism, and they'll defend it fiercely. Finding the way back to true faith is very hard.

The human brain is plastic, it can always be changed. What you're pushing for is defeatism. I refuse to give up on the white race, I'm not sure why you are so eager to do just that. We are a global minority and we need every soul we can get to be on our side. Each leftist we turn into one of us, is one less enemy we'll have to face.

The Left decided to use Biology and DNA to kill the Christian God. We can use it to kill leftism too. And since their perverted, progressive, niel-degrasse-tyson-version of science is their god, we should kill it by showing them how not open to interpretation and possibly horrifying raw science can be.

Look, Jews were running the show like they always are, but it wasn't a bunch of kikes in the trenches, it was the hordes of illiterate peasants marxists define at the proletariat who did the dirty work at the direction of the Jew. The Jews had plans of what to do once the "worker's revolution" happened, just like Mao had plans and the rest of those assorted communist dictators had plans.
My point is that no one stages a revolt without having plans to stay in power after the revolt ends, and since the "proletariat" has wiped out the upper class, there's no one left smart enough to call (((them))) out on it.

This guy gets it but try and be the one who offers the path back.

Plastic becomes stiff and brittle as it ages.

This is highly effective, because it enables you to bring two beliefs to the surface which a person both holds simultaneously, yet only one of which can be true. This is why memes are so effective at breaking through cognitive dissonance, as memes work by contrasting multiple forms of communications to make a single larger implication.

You better be doing everything you can to keep it from going stiff and brittle nigger. Nothing is as impressive as a developed intelligence in your 50's.

Obviously we're not going to get 70-year-old Marxists to join our ranks, but I believe that we can convert those who are even as old as 50, and life long centrists are easy to convert if you show them how they are personally threatened by what is coming.

Pointing out the contradictions in someone's belief system is like showing them cracks in the world as they know it. Sometimes they're scared away, sometimes they want to look through the crack and see what's on the other side. The key is to not be too harsh with people who are scared, since they may later gather more courage, and to help those who want to look deeper. And the most important thing is to be able to see the difference between the two.

As pointed out, the best way to debate in these situations is to give your opponent a lot of opportunity to speak about their views. Many enjoy giving long-winded lectures, which just gives you more contradictions to point out.

The logos is what sets us apart. Just because it's not effective on everyone doesn't mean that we will ever appear from it, or adopt your defeatist mentality.

In other words, use their own words against them. That is extremely effective because in order to attack what you're saying, they'll also be forced to confront their own thoughts too.

Are these your own words? Based.

I know this is retardedly off topic so I'll sage and spoiler but this is what really burns my ass about the new Ghost In The Shell movie coming out. The original movie showed eventual merging with technology would give rise to life forms beyond human comprehension, and give us abilities that are orders of magnitude above our current understanding of the physical and spiritual world that we find ourselves in. From Neuromancer to Ghost In The Shell we see a very carefully laid out and spiritually wholesome prediction of what our world will become on the physical human plane, and how to escape it via enhancement. These fucking STEM knowitall babies on the other hand think it's fucking "WOOOOOO INTERRACIAL ADVENTURES IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE!!! WOOOOOO!!!! DIVERSITY IN THE STAAAAAAAAARRRSSS!!!! ROBO-BODIES MEAN NIGGERS ARE NOW TOTALLY JUST LIKE US!!!!!!!".

It makes me mad that instead of realizing the root problems with humanity they can only see the march of actual progress as some sort of commercialized cummie dispenser for their escapist fantasies, not an enhancement of the most divine elements of man. FUCK it makes me mad. Sorry for the shitpost I just had to get that off my chest.

This is the wrong battle to fight, friendo. We need to acknowledge that we have retards on both sides who respond primarily to the presentation of propaganda. Better propaganda wins, in isolation from truth or falsehood. Hitler and Goebbels were genius at this, and Hitler said that one of the problems of 1st world war propaganda was that the Brits were hyperbolic about the bloodthirst and savagery of the Germans, whereas the Germans ridiculed the Brits. When they came to fight, the Germans were surprised that many of the front line british regiments were ferocious in combat and steely with resolve. Yet the Brits merely had their propaganda confirmed.

It would be disingenuous to suggest that intelligentsia don't naturally create a frame of reference that only picks the best of their view of the world (equality, good in all humans, strength in diversity). Just as we create a frame of reference that would make some believe that we simply think *all* whites are superior, not that whites are disproportionately superior.

Our propaganda which must have just a few themes, but strong themes, must not be undermined by the simple truth that there are some intelligent people on the other side. Our best direction is to paint the enemy as nefarious, as willingly destroying artwork, culture and society that is truly beautiful in exchange for some nebulous concept of secular humanitarianism that we know will actually lead to evolutionary decline of humans in general as high-reproducers such as negroids and semites deviate to the sub 100 average.

Successful themes that we need to continue to push are: the scheming and subversive jew (think that vid where the pollack outs the kike for having a "white male" sign.) the dangerous, blood-lusting nigger. The outright anti-western civilization muslim. The maoist, hateful chinaman.

We don't win by lying, we win through hyperbolic propaganda.

I just want you to know I heeded your words. You speak the truth.

A good meme is very much a work of art. Great art relates unlike things in such a way to provoke thought, inspiration, emotion.
The meme transcends language and modern communication by manipulating ideas directly without the buffer of language and all of the things that go with it. It skips high level code and goes right to assembly language. MSM inundates the mind and uses repetition through (often)language in an attempt to influence ideas. A meme is direct manipulation of ideas. Most of you are aware of this.

My point is, through the techniques in this thread you CAN use language to create memes. By asking questions, reframing, and manipulating ideas that are already in the person's mind, you are essentially creating a meme in their mind. More accurately, you are forcing them to create memes to be implemented on themselves.

Venezuela is a good example. However, Belarus and Norway are communist to the core, yet they haven't collapsed. Communism is an illness, but there is also a racial issue that some people may not grasp. Europeans living in homogeneous nations are more resilient to communism. These two variables interacting complicate the issue, but once the dots are connected, and the racial issue is revealed, redpill overdose will ensue.

this tbh fam. Something I've come to realize over the years is that nobody actually chooses what to think/believe. It's not like you can just present some statistical data that proves the inherent differences between whites and blacks, or demonstrate how the holocaust is a myth, and then that person suddenly becomes a white nationalist. No, they only end up having a change of heart once they themselves have opened up to ideas previously out of the bounds of acceptability.

And the BEST way to get people to start taking ideas seriously overall is with meme warfare. Which is exactly what we're doing now. Make leftism seem lame and unhip. Present national socialism as beign en vogue, new, hip, trendy, cool, etc. Most people are just sheeplike NPCs who will gravitate to whatever the zeitgeist is.

Quality post.

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Its almost like western media has become a propaganda machine for the far left…

I don't even really like Jap cartoons, but its the only source of passive entertainment that isn't full of political narratives.

This thread is really nice.

Thanks, I made the true transition to outright natsoc rather than civic nationalist about this time last year, so I've been trying to get as much natsoc literature as possible lately. I'd recommend everyone try to put a book away every couple of months - it will only make our cause exponentially stronger. We're in part on the back-foot because the literature which supports our visceral understandings with reasoned argument are considered "edgy", or antisocial to read. They are not, as the leftist works are, inculcated into university studies/the ZOG zeitgeist. Mix it up with some novels with themes of victory and love if you find yourself getting too depressed, everyone knows how bitter it can be to read of such triumphant concepts like fraternity and social strength whilst surrounded by the salad bowls in which we live.

The time for convincing is over. The time to face bloodshed is nigh.

You definitely nailed it first post though, that's our struggle in a nutshell, and why imageboards are literally the engineroom of our movement. Memes are crack for normies, and are probably the biggest reason why we're getting positive responses and hotties wearing maga hats.

I know that feel man

There was a time when Japanese media was looked on as like a prophetic depiction of what the future of everyone would be like. Because the Japanese remained homogeneous when everyone watched their future-sci-fi media they assumed their culture would be homogeneous as well. I know I did. People assumed that we would be dealing with the emptiness of a consumerist society and a loss of humanity at the hands of seemingly monolithic technologization. We thought we'd be overpopulated and stuffed into skyscrapers like Asians already are, and even though we were so close we'd be separated by some social or spiritual barrier.

Instead it turns out the future, at present course, is so much worse than that. So much worse than we could possibly imagine. Instead of being pure and homogeneous enough to explore how technology would degrade our society we have to deal with the added threat of globalist culture, outside races, degradation of social fabric not through the interaction of people with our own achievements ala an Icarus Type parable, instead of intentional demoralization and degradation at an accelerated rate.

In short, we are being robbed of our chance to feel. We are being robbed of our right to self direction, our right to make mistakes on our own. We can't figure out the best way to keep the torch lit in our hearts in a pure society when the FUCKING KIKES ARE TRYING TO TEAR OUR HEARTS OUT. We are being robbed of a spiritual and emotional journey that free people go through to try and find direction and purpose in life. In some ways the kikes blessed us by giving us a unifying purpose and direction in life out of the sheer necessity of their eradication, but at the same time I can't help but feel melancholy about the world that could've been without their meddling. Lord willing our kids or grandkids will get to experience that world at least. If my grand-daughter's struggle in life is trying to decide whether she's human or not because of her cybernetic body I would welcome the pain she feels. At least she's agonizing over a worthy struggle.

Meanwhile we're just genetic garbagemen. We exist to remove this subversive, poisonous element from our environment. We're the only ones in the building who can smell the rotting trash and even though it's filled with toxic chemicals we're the ones who have to take responsibility for removing it. We'll likely be irreparably effected by this task. We'll likely be looked upon as a mix of barbarian and gods by future generations but only because of the inhumanity we'll be required to demonstrate. We're in for a rough spiritual ride because our ancestors were to weak to take care of the problem before it festered. It's alright though. We're dehumanized enough to face to bloodshed.

Exactly. It's kinda sad and infuriating to think about it, but guys like Pat Buchanan, Jared Taylor, etc have been out there for decades trying to present information in a more professional and scientific way.

And where have they gotten? What have they accomplished over all those years? Basically jack shit. Instead, it was a group of shitposters on an indonesian basketweaving forum putting out pictures of frogs in red hats that did what they couldn't do with decades of trying.

Somewhat related: I've found that in some places, "mass awakening imminent" type shit can really foster curiosity and interest, that can then be fed dank memes.

A good primer, if nothing else. People don't want "everyone" to "wake up" without them, just like you have said.

=Low IQ & Liberal Beliefs Linked To Poor Research?=

Important and comprehensive debunking by a professional statistician, of a key piece of leftist research. (the "right-wingers have low IQs" study.)
wmbriggs.com/post/5118/
archive.is/nm9VR

When the third paragraph hits

Taylor is a gatekeeper.

You're probably right, but my point remains. Various people over the years have tried over and over again to redpill the normalfags using academic arguments and stats. It doesn't work. Meme propaganda does.

8ch.net/leftypol/res/1495355.html

The gatekeeper concept is something I've been contemplating recently. How many right wing pundits are natsoc who simply realise that they need to take a moderate perspective to shift the overton window in a meaningful fashion?

How many leftist media pundits are outright white exterminationists behind closed doors who pick talking about abortion, miscegenation and transgenderism as their "yellow brick road".

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This hits so fucking hard. The even worse bit is that I'm being told I'm a horrible person for doing so. People like to be slowly poisoned to death it seems. Do people like to suffer?

Yeah, I definitely agree that we leapfrogged everyone. Maybe at the end when the smog clears they will be viewed as a meaningful bridge that supported a body of work without which, our movement may not have had enough of a starting point. They may be remembered as the brave few who stood in public against the degenerate hordes.

b-but that's a good thing a-user..? Isn't it?
>this is what Holla Forums actually believes…

include me in the screencap pls

I know my family feels it. I wonder if it's my fault for subtly dropping statements and then letting them sit on it (saying trump would win back in december 2015, and staying resolved every time they said, "looks like he's done for now"), "the jews just want to start settling in southern syria" (this one's still in the works, but we all fucking know what's going to happen) but I think it's a matter of the times as much as anything I may have done. It's inescapable. You can't kill a conscious entity so slowly without it noticing. My girl has a member of her family married to der juden, and she feels uncomfortable every time I smile and nod every time I see a jew preaching white guilt of some sort on television. She knows that her relative is a socially left about the west yet exceptional about Israel, and it pains her to know that she's gaining this awareness. I feel fucking bad that our deed must be done. We must look at those we know to be /ourguys/ and respect what they go through to try and get through to their loved ones and friends, because we know it's fucking tough.

Make fun of their love for Stirner, acknowledge that he thought that communism was shit

Insulting somebody is what you do if you wish to engage in a fight, and honestly I think all of this cultural posturing is going to result in a fight.

You can't force a determined mind to think a certain way, you have to destroy that person and simply replace them.

The civil war is coming.

What are you gonna replace white people with? If you want to do that you better start having a lot of kids.

By being better than them in a non snobby way. Look at schools: when I went to school nerdy kids who pointed out that they were smart (were very often not smart) got bullied by virtually everyone (fun fact this kid thinks he gets bullied for being better than everyone) while the nerd kids who just did their thing without showing off did not get bullied.

Just be good at what you are good at and be charismatic. That way people will come to you when they want to talk.

Shaming people just pushes them away from you. For example using Christianity to shame fags just pushes leftists to the taqiya practicing religion of peace (enemy of my enemy logic).

Look at bill nye he only became an edge lord snob once he got his fan base. Now his fan base will crumble because nobody wants to join that.

Only talk politics when they ask for it. And don't argue. Just give your opinion and reason. Do not respond to their opinion only their questions. I may not have redpilled many with this method I have gotten many people off the leftist track and away from anti white policies. However they are still unaware of the reason behind anti white policies.

PS using lefty propaganda for redpilling works. e.g. It's ok to be selfish and be against affirmative action. (Think feminist propaganda but for whites)

You cannot reason with leftists. They only respond to rhetoric. Fitting in seems to be the most important thing to them. The most effective tactic I've found is to start off by laughing at them and making them feel like what they're doing is outdated and pathetic. Things like a simple "lmao you still watch John Oliver?" work really well. Turn that smug intellectual confidence (even thou they're always wrong and most have sub 90 iq) around on them. They didn't hold onto power up until now because they were smarter, it's because they think they're the cool kids. For people who aren't capable of reason the question becomes "which side will make me look cooler". Our side always needs to be portrayed as winning, smart, confident, calm, cool, and collected. At the same time they must always be portrayed as out of date, out of touch, bumbling geriatric patients who are about to miss the boat full of cool kids. It all sounds childish but the leftists brain does not function the same as a human brain does.

Of course, this is considering you meet someone that won't just scream "racism" repeatedly.
The attacks on any real investigation of race are what convinced me along with basic statistics.
Seems like a good question to ask.

You don't. Leftism targets stupid people and/or people with mental issues (narcissism, inferiority complex, victim complex, you name it). Leftism has strategically targeted that kind of person for centuries now, it's how they get to people and make them into such zealots.

Many you can. I once held leftist beliefs because those were the ideas that I was exposed to aside from cuckservatism.
Just not the loud ones who are heavily invested in the ideology. Debates are only good for the audience 99% of the time, unless you're close friends.
But what you say about image is correct. It's important, PR isn't a bad thing.
Just not cuckPR where you're trying to look weak and victimized rather than competent.

Are you seriously saying that constitutes all white people? Are you so terrified of a quality, motivated, productive minority vs an idiotic, indolent, parasitic majority.

Curtail your mental illness and realize that white people need to shed the idiot mass like as spider sheds its skin. You can't grow otherwise and we are ridiculously overdue for a culling in the west, of all useless idiots, regardless of race.

Friendly reminder that "hipster" has turned from an NYC junkie musicians to any young white person living in a city. We need to make hipsters great again and leave the term in the gutter where it belongs.

Also "millennials" has also turned into an umbrella term for any white person within the age range. I emphasis white because no one hardly uses the term to talk about niggers and spics.

When anyone is critizing or shaming millenials they are really talking about young whites. Hipsters are young city whites.

Online concern trolling + larping as a minority does fucking wonders. Cucks quickly jump through hoops of fire to agree with you when they think some black lesbian is behind the screen even when you say some non-kosher stuff. They have no answer and it's lulzy as fuck.

I only venture into social media and popular forums as a larper. You couldn't pay me to use my real name and identity in those cesspools of datamining. Infiltrating leftist spaces is very easy when you play the part.

If you don't have at least one nigger sleeper account somewhere then you are missing on some serious fun.

I disagree, the term hipster is now an epithet that implies shallow, narcissistic, frivolous, impractical behavior. It also implies a form of virtue signalling, and it's an excellent term to beat said people over the head and put them in an appropriate rhetorical context.

The era of pragmatism for whites is upon us, and we can't afford to have hipster faggotry of any form interfering with that.

That's a tacit admission that they're not relevant in any meaningful way. They exist in a cultural vacuum.

They're biological weapons.

Go back to 4chan, civie cuck.

In a meaningful sociological context, as-in influences which advance the fundamental and higher cultural aspects of western civilization.

They exist within the framework created by others.

This is exactly the kind of retarded impracticality I'm talking about.

Sorry, I'm pro white faggot, but I'm not pro-dysgenic, and anyone who does not take into account that we need to trim the rot off many parts of western civilization, including the whites who cannot get with the program, then enjoy being a faggot hipster retard.

It's not enough to simply assume all white people are superior by default, maybe at one point that was generally true, but it's not the case now and the only way that's going to happen is if the liberal thralls and mindless feeders are laid to waste along with all the others.

Clearly you aren't since you're obsessed with culling your own people instead of our racial competitors. Also stop using these giant spaces in between single sentences you fucking retard.

Nobody is this stupid, so I'm assuming you're a shill. Either way killing yourself is the first step to your proposed goals.

That level of rage induced pedantry is a sure sign of dysgenic brain development. Nope only an individual trying to protect the nest as it were of those who simply managed to exist in spite of being a poor fit for the future society that is required for whites to regain what was lost.

It was lost directly as a result of those among us who don't have the proper mindset and faculties and will always pose a liability. The only people who would advocate for them are those who empathize with such traits.

he's right though

Please pick one.

Thanks for outing yourself as a fucking newfag. It has nothing to do with us being superior and everything to do with what's best for us. A smart black will do everything in their power to fuck over white people, and they'll most likely try to get a white wife, a dumb white on the other hand (If non-whites have been eradicated) isn't going to be scheming and trying to tear down the white man. You're a traitor who views yourself as superior to white useful idiots and therefore you want to sacrifice them, you're a spiritual kike that views members of your own tribe as goyim. You're no Aryan/

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Any person showing ability to admit wrong, accept alternate evidence and mould their views based on that new evidence shows more intelligence than vast majority of population ever will.
fortunately, all the people with ability ot think logically are slowly moving towards the right. Sadly, they aren't doing it fast enough and the numbers will never be high enough to counter the inertia of the masses. for any sensible change, you must have a vanguard that will spearhead the social change and instigate a new zeitgeist.

Don't resort to sophistry and misrepresent what I'm saying.

Implying that those whites who need to be offed aren't fucking collaborators with the enemy. Fuck off. Your paranoia is so high you're not even thinking correctly now.

filter him and don't reply to him again. this is a really good thread so don't devolve into exchanging (you)s with him. I almost fell for it too.

Oh fucking please.

They're opportunistic spiritual kikes who only care about themselves. They're the reason the German's lost WW2, it's a serious issue we have to address. They see what the kikes have and instead of being disgusted by it, they want it for themselves. They are true traitors who would sell out every white if it meant they could live in luxury.

I guess it's an effect of having to deal with shills 24/7

More sophistry, no, it's about getting rid of those with a dysgenic mindset, those who would inevitably betray the values that provided them with what they already have.

These people already exist and you can't save them, but they will feel righteous in destroying you.

Saying sophistry over and over again doesn't make you intelligent. You're obviously not posting in good faith, filtered.

STOP REPLYING TO HIM

You're going to have to define how I'm not posting in "good faith" that is not a blanket accusation you can make when somebody disagrees with you.

And the beginning of wisdom is calling things by their proper name, deliberately misrepresenting somebody's arguments is absolutely sophistry.

take a good look at leftypozz and say to me that he's wrong

I just owned this thread, if you guys can't even reconcile your position against mine, you won't stand a chance against your real enemies.

Him and his friend are clearly outsiders trying to derail the thread. Don't take the bait again. Stay on topic.

arguing with leftists is akin to this

Fucking quads of truth, yes, they have to go. You cannot save them.

How can you convince a Christian of the same thing?

You can't, they're both a Semitic Mind Virus

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I think the actual amount of self serving whites is pegged to the prevalence of sociopathy and psychopathy in the population. To boot those self-serving whites will often serve whoever is in power as well because it's to their benefit to succeed in society. I bet you less than 2-3% of whites would have to actually be killed and that would the unhelpable psychos, the pedophiles, the actual autists, the defectives, etc. Most anti-white sentiment among whites is the result of widespread but reversible brainwashing.

Just googled it, sociopathy and psycopathy are around 1% of the population. So really you'd only have to kill the pedos and idiot psychos who don't realize doing a good job is the best way to live an easy life.

RRRREEEEEEEEEE

If it were up to me the autists would "executed" on paper and then shipped to military facilities where their true power can be harvested.

interdimensional gateway opening via harvesting of the collective thoughtform energy of millions of autists?
dont scare me to much fam

Textbook Reddit Spacing. He's from reddit.
You have to hit enter twice for a new line there.

Don't be scared. We don't need eyes where we're going. (The inter-dimensional tendie shack)

Yes. This. Also, Neanderthal DNA. How can niggers be exactly the same as us if they lack Neanderthal DNA? Neanderthal were incredibly intelligent.

Digits confirm Lain was accurate

Look just take a tip from evangelists. Give them the good news, and if they're not receptive, dust your shoes off and go on to the next. There's a lot of receptive minds out there waiting to hear the information you have, there's no point in wasting your own time.

they wait for us just behind the veil

I've noticed this for quite a long while, not just with leftists, but also with cuckservatives. I've also noticed something else as well; they both hold many ideals, one thing as being something to condemn and one thing that is something that should be held sacred, but not realize that it is all connected to each other. For instance, a Conservative may despise and hate multiculturalism and globalization, and would like to see nations have their own sovereignty, but will also defend Israel whenever it's threatened, not realizing that those in power in Israel along with their dual citizens are the ones pushing for Multiculturalism and Globalization in European countries. On the Leftist's end, they denounce any and all forms of corporations and will defend anything the liberal politicians and government policies in their favor, when it's the corporations and organizations owned by the very people they condemn that are allowing said politicians to make these laws and policies for the pawns.

If these people realized how everything they hold dear and condemn is more connected than they imagine, or how bad it really is, perhaps they would start to wake up. Unlikely, but something we could meme into reality.

That Hawaiian guitar-organ in the interlude always gives me chills. I love Lain.

That's an astute observation. Many people find such a concept to be fantastical though, they think that everything is random and nothing is connected, because they've been taught that. Even though on a literal level everything in the universe is connected, they can't make the mental connection that nothing exists in a vacuum. How do we help them reach that connection?

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Technically that would be the Talmud.

Heil'd. Don't take his bait though.

great post. we are forced to endorse ideas that are literally not natural. its depressing that everything we know is natural is now potrayed as evil and immoral, while the the abberations are held up as the best of mankind. we champion the most barbaric cultures as art.

take rap for an example. listening to rap is literally listening to blacks devolve back to their root languages. most african languages have nowhere near the vocabulary of complexity of the english language or any western language. ever wonder why blacks basically have their own language? because they struggle to hold an extensive vocabulary because they havent evolved to. and gone are the days of when rappers like tupac no matter how twisted the message at least had one. now were stuck monkeys just hooting intermixed with profanity and references to drugs and sex. and every negro youll ever meet likes rap. rap is the manifestation of the negro mind. they only care about drugs, sex, and violence.

All the "educated" rappers like Tupac were literally Marxist Revolutionaries. They had a kike propping them up the whole way. Tupac's mom killed a bunch of cops, escaped from prison and fled to fucking Cuba. Even the "based" niggers who tried to "uplift their communities with spoken word" were just kike golems trying to agitate the niggers.

If they got too smart like Malcolm X and maybe Tupac did they had the CIAniggers off them ASAP. Malcolm X got like one or two speeches in about how jews played the gentiles against each other to shield from their own meddling before he got offed.

funny that aye
he starts changing his tone after doing some reading for once in his dumb nigger life and he realises the slave ships were owned by Schwartzs and Schlomos and bang nigger gets offed

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One way would be to either provide evidence while conversing with them regarding the topics, but due to how many were programmed, even some of the more red-pilled leaning people would shove the evidence off in disbelief or may call you out on trying to program them with your ideals. The other (and I feel the more effective way) is presenting these ideals and topics in a way that gets people to want to look more into the topics and find the truth and the connections themselves. Even better, have our enemies expose it themselves, showing that (((they))) have been lying to the general public for decades, even centuries, and people would wake up at a faster rate. The way Trump has been exposing some of the connections is a slow, but efficient and guaranteed way of waking up the people. By just giving the people enough to look into topics he brings up, and attention to topics that are in favor with a lot of our ideals such as American history that most schools don't even talk about, much less like to talk about (for example, Andrew Jackson), people will start to make the connections over time. When he brings up certain topics that make the left, progressives, and globalists freak out, he does it in a way that doesn't come back to bite him and makes the press and said people expose themselves for who they really are (4D chess essentially).

This user also has it right; with the right memes, we can also help the normalfags wake up more and realize the connections and help bring people to the truth. It's going to be a long process, but we've finally started making good progress along the way thanks to recent victories. The (((Press))) makes it seem like we're fighting a losing battle, but we know the truth, because unlike the press, we actually experience the world and reality on a daily basis and want to bring out the truth instead of giving the people comforting lies.

It's very convienent that right after their agitation helped pass the Civil Rights Act, 1968 NFA Act and 1965 Immigration Act both MLK and Malcolm X were killed. Can't have the niggers listening to well spoken shuck and jivers saying to go back to Africa oh no, we gotta keep the niggers here to distract whitey. LBJ even said as much that fucking CIAnigger kike.

I didn't realize how dumb I was until I had to solve real problems; reality is pretty quick to inform.

true Galactic Republicanism has never been tried Yang did nothing wrong

Encourage them to live in the inner city with nogs. Either die due to enrichment or they get woke and return different people.

Kinda what is happening on worldwide scale. I know it's depressing but our race is being purified.

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I take it part of your proposed campaign is to kvetch about atheists not following your jew-worshipping christian dogma?

I want this obsession with non-white cultures to end, it's clearly fucking with anons' abilities to think straight.

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Transhumanism is an over-arching concept. Consumerist physical enhancements of your body isn't the same as striving to enhance your spiritual being. This is also all theoretical philosophy since the ability to do these things doesn't exist yet. probably

My stance on it is: integrating what isn't human into the human means a loss of humanity which leads to misery (as man is miserable when he is living in a plastic world – the same effect as being uprooted). Having exoskeleton robotic suits and what not is a different story but incorporating it into the flesh would lead to the Borg and Communism (high-tech beehive state). Our inventions, our creations, must serve us in some way, not become our masters, otherwise be prepared to become something else, something unnatural, in a universe where nature dominates. However, there may be a saving grace in plasma/electricity, the dominating force in the visible (and sometimes invisible) universe, because machines run on such fuel much like the rest of the universe. Whatever we do, we need to remove the jew otherwise he will most definitely poison the well.

But what if technology surpasses human ability? What if artificial brain tissue and muscle fibers can enhance your ability interact with the world? Becoming more aware or more perceptive due to augmentation isn't necessarily a death sentence for your spiritual being.

Reminder that Leftist Intellectualism is not Intelligence, it is the fetishization of Intellect. It's not based on any sort of cognitive/reasoning abilities but on appearance, behavior and approval from their equally shitty peers. It's the reason their style of dress is 'casual professor', wear the thick framed glasses, abuse thesauruses, spew random lines of obscure shit or made-up terminology and constantly thump their stamped piece of paper from a university as proof of their intelligence, but cannot explain even basic political theory and concepts without resorting to Harry Potter or Star Wars comparisons. Attempting to engage them in debate just causes them to flee into their mental safe space of 'my thoughts SCARE white males/transphobes etc'

They are mental children, engaging them as if they're on an equal playing field is not the way to do it, they are below you and any interaction with them publicly should be to humiliate and mock them. Break the 4th wall, call them out on their faux-intelligence, smash them over the head and mock them relentlessly.

Nothing punctures their egos like some Holla Forumsack dressed like a farmer being able to run circles around them with Evolian Metaphysics while they sputter about how Trump = Voldemort.

From this vantage point we have no idea what would come from such ventures as something like this, as far as we know, has never happened. Retaining a sense of mystery is also important since it drives us to keep discovering. Hopefully there is enough mystery out there to keep us coming back for more, otherwise we may end up in a materialistic hell of sorts, where the human spirit is trapped in an immortal body whose daily life may not be so interesting. Also, never downplay the effects of nostalgia; we may end up yearning very deeply to return to our roots, a yearning so strong it could cause mass suicides and societal collapse.

They were before the age of the internet, at least before the internet gained critical mass in terms of users. Pat is still on TV almost every other day . I don't know how he hasn't been blacklisted from TV as he is regularly calling out jewish influence. Taylor is good to send to normie cuckservatives who aren't ready for the JQ yet

The west sees transhumanism as its salvation, Japanese content has been examining transhumanism for some time now. We like what these shows have to say on regarding the subject, you transparently obvious halfchan visitor. You are a casual who does not know what he is talking about and is loudly disrupting a thread because he is confused by his own lack of understanding.

This so many times over. If you're a fat fuck or a skinny bastard with poor hygiene, you make us all look bad. We can't all be lookers but anyone can choose not to be a fucking slob.

And know your strengths, if you're not particularly charismatic and quick thinking don't bother with public debates (or work your way up to them building your skill) instead create OC for the cause. Find where your strengths lie and play to them.

I disagree, shaming and bullying people who aren't part of the group often forces them into compliance. The left has mastered this, especially on college campuses, creating a state of constant discomfort and, even, fear among those who aren't part of their cult, eventually forcing a good number of those on the outside to submit for the sake of social harmony.

I used this tactic against several nevertrump cuckservative friends of the family during the election, insulting them relentlessly as mentally ill SJWs, and a few wound up falling in line and voting for Trump.

bane wouldnt have been able to play his part in starting the fire if he didnt have traps

Shaming doesn't work if the person being shamed doesn't like or respect the person doing the shaming to begin with. Leftists shame us all the time and yet none of us have changed our views. Shaming is done to destroy our social capital in the eyes of the normalfags who may be swayed to our side. Normalfags don't reject our idealogy based on its merits, but because they don't want to recieve the same shaming that we do.

Social ostracization and shame works. For every one of us that it hasn't worked on, there are three white girls from nice midwestern families with good values who are arriving to college campus this year, and will become die hard SJWs in the face of abusive social pressure that forces capitulation.

I should add to this: of course everything has its limits. Liberals were able to get away with bullying white workers for decades while still counting on their votes. Eventually this past election it went too far, and white workers got fed up with it as the abuse became more out of control and the media couldn't help but brag about how they were abusing you. But to a certain degree, it works, it's a form of social pressure.

I was just going to say something similar to that. It only works as a temporary solution and requires a long term plan to transition to before that happens.

Though the best method right now is memetic warfare, a combination of condensed information and humor allows for people to let their mental barriers down and absorb information.

No. People need to suffer. They do not enjoy it, but it is fundamental to their very existence.

God once told me "Don't fear pain, don't love pain."

infowars is cnn for conspiracy theorists.

That's the weakest bait I've ever seen.

By mocking them. Liberals cannot comprehend fact. It doesn’t exist for them. They can ignore it without any harm.

YOU HAVE TO EMBARRASS THEM IN FRONT OF THEIR SOCIAL CIRCLE. It’s the only way.

What do you mean "it works"? Women have no fucking beliefs, the simply parrot whatever belief the social group the wish not to be ostracized from espouses, which is exactly what I just said. You as the outgroup cannot shame your beliefs onto anyone until you are the ingroup and you do not become the ingroup by shaming.

You also seem to forget that the left sells their ideology on feel good ideals like love and acceptance, freedom from prejudice and oppression, empowerment, etc.

All people parrot the belief of the group, they simply arrive at it in different ways, you stupid faggot.

This guy knows what's up. Rationality is a joke, emotional arguments are what wins the culture war.

Transhumanism is secular religion for atheists who are afraid of death.

He's right you know

It won't work on everybody, but for ~75% of people, simply outnumbering them is enough to change their mind.

Right wing roast squads when?

That's literally impossible, this doesn't even have anything to do with leftism or politics

You can't convince ANYONE that they aren't intelligent. You can convince them to adopt your beliefs/agree with your arguments, but the person will simply then say that their past beliefs were in error, not that they're stupid

And let's not pretend that there isn't a fuckton of self masturbation and "I am very smart!" posting on here too, especially in this very thread

One of the best intro books about this is the hammer of the patriot. Learn how to punish them for the stupid arguments they make. It's more aimed at steering the public towards you but it still can help them develop critical thinking.
It's easy to read when you have 5 minutes on the commune, and helps structure your mind.
nationalactionlondon.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/zeiger-hammer-of-the-patriot.pdf

At least we still have Warhammer.

This garbage is "redpilled?"

Thank fuck for that.

I was talking with my brother the other day, and he was saying how he thinks that Trump is a dumb person, and he's exploiting dumb people, etc. He thinks 'the system' is totally fucked and that no one could get elected who would be a good leader, because only terrible people can make it into the elite circles ('unintelligent' seems to be his go-to insult, by the way). He doesn't care when I point out that the corrupt media and financial establishment hates Trump, or ask him why he thinks they are enemies, or if he thinks it's all a giant conspiracy (he knows about the Wikileaks info how the DNC apparently wanted Trump to get nominated since they were sure he'd lose).
At the end of the day, the way to make progress with such people is by using the reasoning and perspective of the person you're engaging with against them, but doing it in a subtle way.
For instance, something I like to do is to suggest the idea that if I (or the person I'm talking with) were to take the place of, say, President Trump, it would be very difficult to know exactly what to prioritise, or how to accomplish any goals. Also, it's important to recognise that we are imperfect, and make mistakes in judgment and interpretation of events.
In the final analysis, the motives and character are some of the most important qualities to focus on.
Having this humility allows someone to not only have an open mind, and read and study for themselves, but also to have an awareness of their own potential shortcomings and to be willing to reconsider certain strongly-held beliefs (or lack thereof).

Looks like something aimed at panicky soccer moms. Science - understanding and mastery of nature - is what made man what he is, and is what will make man master of the stars. If you don't embrace and pursue power, someone else will - at which point you will be either just left in the dust or outright enslaved/destroyed.

It's rather depressing how little eugenics and transhumanism is discussed and emphasized by the far right

For being so "rational" and "fact-based" there's a rather mushy nostalgia for everything about past European society

I will take my internal plumbing and nuclear warheads, thank you

Religion is only dangerous when it becomes dogmatic and claims its intreptation of reality is supreme and those who disagree with it must be punished.

I.e: "fire burns things because little invisible angels paint things that come into fire black. and if you disagree we are going to beat you to death for being a heretic"

agree, and, this is not even a new meme, example story: electricsheepcomix.com/almostguy/ that's probably the most ironic part. "futurism" should rightfully be an accusation and one leveled against industrial-revolution snake oil salesmen, which was over 100 years ago. so where is it, you ask. it's never coming.

All religions have the first two qualities, and most all save Islam had the third until rather recently in the historical scale of things

again, this is futurism, not transhumanism alone. there is no amount of technological advancement sufficient to overcome certain physical/economic laws of nature. we are not going to "machine" our way into new metaphysical understanding, we are not going to escape our existence as we already know it, we are not going to "abolish scarcity" or "end work."

That's the fucking spirit lad

COME ON LET'S GET THIS GOING

Say we have nuclear fusion and an entirely mechanized means of production

Say people only need to eat electricity they can get from solar panels or the aforementioned fusion

Farming radically transformed human behavior and society. How would transhumanism not?

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If people ran on sunlight then people would just start fighting over sunlight. Plants are just as vicious as animals.

You would need literally trillions of people to cover the earth such that even one person would never get a drop of sunlight

No they don't.

Have you met people? There'd be people building giant shade-casting machines on purpose so they could charge for access.

Why would they charge money, if they don't need money to eat?

You're retarded.

Jews would buy all the land in a huge area, charging exorbitant fees for people to use them, and leave them unused if nobody pays. They would personally use inefficient methods to produce light that's more "soothing" or "healthy". They would fatten up by concentrating sunlight 10-fold, and charge others for the same privilege.

There are many ways that people could/would be starved of sunlight.

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But you can make them be perceived as stupid. Much like the meme of the dumb skinhead. Nobody wants to be a skinhead because of this.

We need to make leftists a laughing stock.

In a way it's this, but OP is on to something.

Laugh at them for thinking there are a billion genders.

Laugh at them for thinking Russia hacked the election when we knew 6mos ago from wikileaks that it was made up.

Laugh at them for thinking niggers are as smart as whites.

Just dismiss them and laugh at them.

Even if they bought 99% of all the land on Earth, at our current population everyone could still stand with their arms spread

Nobody would by "soothing" "healthy" light if they're cyborgs that can absorb free sunlight

Concentrating sunlight wouldn't make semi-robotic entities more "fat" either

You're right, if everything were perfect we wouldn't have problems anymore. If only we had you showing us the way this whole time!

Humans are still going to act human after becoming "transhuman". Those in power will concentrate populations in cement jungles, where there isn't much sunlight to go around (can't block foot traffic, can't get on the roof of your 20 floor apartment building, no public parks), then you'll be forced to pay to access areas to get your daily sunlight, or buy power directly from a power company. Money will still be used to buy and maintain upgrades, and to buy ever more indulgent luxuries for the rich. Money will always be needed, since we're greedy.

True, but while we will have the same drives our needs would be much easier to meet. Nobody would be fighting over arable land or be displaced by droughts/flooding etc.

How and why?

Why would someone want money, if there's no workers to pay?

Another 'killing whites is OK' thread on Holla Forums

OP is shit and his thread is shit.

So would you let a serial murderer go if he was white?

Idiot

Some cunt who's been brainwashed by (((university))) isn't the same thing as a serial killer.

And a white person with down syndrome?

I have no problem with whites who have serious genetic defects being sterilized.

Killing them because they believed a kike lie is insane.

Besides it sounding like something coming from an SJW. There's moral (and secular) oversight over scientific research. I think its why China goes crazy with genetic engineering research compared to what the rest of the world has pursued.

Also Christianity was trying hard to oversee the theory of evolution. Overall during that phase, it felt like pointless undermining to a theory that has been applied in a beneficial manner in medicine.

It's a good argumentative strategy though. Harkening back to the good ole days.

"It's a real shame we can't leave our doors unlocked anymore. Multicultural society has eroded our trust in neighbors. Humans are naturally distrusting, and if we wan't a natural healthy place for our kids to grow up unafraid we must retain our homogeneity."

Boom, their only argument is "YEAH YOUR KIDS WILL BE RAPED BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE TACO TRUCKS YOU'LL GET TO EAT AT?"

Usually their argument is "the only way to prevent this is for everyone to breed together into a single race". It's bullshit but you have to expect it.

They're argument against religious oversight in sciences is going to be Christianity/Creationism, that nuclear power should be harnessed as an energy source, and Chernobyl isn't going to happen again because of modern safety standards. Or that nuclear warheads already exist. So additional research to counteract those should be pursued.

but why

Also
which is potentially before many 20-somethings were even born.

Because muh morals or something. Like feminist's version of muh feels and we're more emotional. It's a pretty shitty idea if its going to be version 2 of Creationism vs Evolution.

That can be a tactical advantage if your opponent knows less about the redpilled side of the past. You can easily use hyperbole to exaggerate how good America was without niggers and spics and they can't do anything to disprove.

No. They can look it up on their smartphones and whatever and verify what you said was true or not. Basic and immediate history knowledge of the past century is going to be Great Depression, and two World Wars.

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Bravo if you can actually get them to look at stats, and not just have
happen.

That's true. There's enough cultural capital that they've internalized through Fallout and Rockabilly faggotry though that if you're a stern debater they'll eventually crack. Just trip them over what about the 50's was bad and hammer them again and again. All time periods and suppositions are just traps to trip them up and draw out their dissonance fueled ideology. Like that other sage user said just let them sperg out, they'll give you all the ammo you need to rebut.

That anime looks fucking terrible.

On the matter of religion and science:
I recommend you all watch and hear Jordan B Peterson's comments on religion, the death of god, and materialism. He's the psychologist professor at the University of Toronto. The guy who stood against bill C16 which basically says "you must address 'gender non-comformists' with their pronouns" and then debated the shit out of every snowflake "protesting".

If I remember correctly the most key point was Nietzsche's "god is dead" topic. It says that not not only did we kill god with this age of materialism and looking only at the objective value of things, but we will never be able to wash the blood off our hands. He talks about how the death of God just let something worse take its place, ie: Communism.

Another similar topic is his talk on the [ancient civilization that i forgot the name of] myth. Where a few gods kill this really ugly and scary monster and their mother tells them, essentially: "Oh, you have no idea what you just did. That hideous beast was protecting you from what's beyond it. Now you have to deal with [chaos?]"

Transhumanism is INFESTED with Kikes like (((Kurzweil))), (((Gladwell))), and (((Yudkowsky))).
So is Atheism – (((Hitchens))), (((Maher))), (((Harris))), and many more! We're not

(((Johansson))) is Kike, too, what do you expect?
I always thought that Lain was superior, anyways.

So much this.
Dr. Peterson's lectures are what helped me escape from my nihilistic, materialist mindset.

Well, found his channel and have been listening to his "how to change the world" video since it's on autoplay. A lot of this I've already been doing recently (unconsciously almost) but it's nice to see someone else talk about it or put it into words. I'm surprised he's a professor at UofT.

Smart guy.

Our Terrible Purpose

From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be rememberèd-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile

Start here my friend. Remember smuglypuff at least?
youtube.com/watch?v=-4R0bWC41g4
here's the debate on the bill in question:
youtube.com/watch?v=3rwAcK_66Lc

try not to let the anger and hate fester once you're done.

Trips confirm Peterson is an esoteric memer. Was listening to one of his lectures and he said, "it is not enough to just know what was said, but what did he mean by this?"

The insults are there to shame and mobilize our base. Believe it or not, many people passively agree with us. That only needs to be brought out.

Do both. Some should shame and insult to embolden and win over sympathizers while others convert or convince. We are our own interest group, everything needs to be self-contained at the core while still spreading outwards.

Careful. His worldview is incomplete, and often stumbling. He sees the holocaust as fact, and always brings it up before or after holodomor. He's a paragon, but he's blind to all of the Logos.
Paraphrasing, he said in relation to "there can be no poetry after Auschwitz" that there can be, but it must be about Auschwitz. Also "what can one do in the shadow of the holocaust" is another that caught my ear like a deep sea fishing lure.

Its built into the pillars of his philosophy.

On the plus side he is essentially Orthodox Christian. If you watch anything this week, make sure it's this.

Wow… Utena. It's been a while since I saw that. Best lesbian anime ever.

He said Fascism is a utopian ideology like Communism and later that man always seeks a life that isn't too easy, but Fascism acknowledges the necessity of struggle and incorporates it into the worldview, unlike Communism's "Hey let's all share and stop being mean to one another."

Also leading cause for cute females to turn into motorcycles.

It's the old "make me leader and I'll make everyone equal" scam. The contradiction shouldn't have to be pointed out but people still fall for it.

thank you for this fucking excellent post, grandpanon.

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thats literally how marxists think equality will be achieved
by giving all of their free will and shit to an unelected dictator

Lefties hate religion, so just remind them that by any practical definition, progressive-universalism is a religion. (They think they believe in nothing, but in reality, nobody believes in nothing. They believe in progressive-universalism.) Their belief system can be traced back to the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay colony.

This means that the USA was founded on Puritan dogma. Remind them that the following concept, "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal" is a statement of faith, not rationality. If they tried to make any logical argument and started with the phrase, "we hold these truths to be self-evident", they'd be laughed off stage like any other religious nut.

The only reason we don't see progressive-universalism as religion is because the US gained significant control of education, which then raised the following generations to not notice the religions foundation of liberalism. This lets Puritan dogma fly right under the "separation of church and state" radar that we all have instilled in us. At this point It's the equivalent of fish being unaware of the water in which they swim.

"You aren't an atheist, you actually subscribe to progressive-universalism, which is, with the help of the US Goverment, the largest Christian denomination on the planet."

This argument effectively plows their sailboat right through the canvas at the edge of their Truman-Show-esque worldview.

The problem is—besides Muslims—there exists no single group of people more comfortable with contradiction than American leftists. They abandoned genuine critical thinking years ago.

The ones who aren't logically fucked are deliberately deceptive. So basically it's no use talking to them. Really, the only way people "convert" is through life experience, and even that isn't a guarantee. I recall that story from last year about the Swedish politician who was anally raped by a refugee, his only regret being that he went to the police and got his rapist deported.

it doesn't matter, most people just want to be on the side of the winner, you don't win by not fighting. For every faggoty leftist you destroy many more normies will want to side with you. Most of your comments reek of PR faggotry

tacit approval

You reserve more hate and insults for someone who argues we need a higher quality white population than the people actively working to destroy any future for our people. And this is inconsistent with argumentation tactics you have been pushing ITT.

tl;dr
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For most people this is purely status-based.

the idea and arguments for a book like that are great. The execution was terrible

9 times out of 10, that's not why "reddit spacing" happens. It's because you're dealing with a newfag or lurker who isn't accustomed to the Quick Replay window for ants.

The restrictive size causes two sentences to look like a wall of text. So faggots start new paragraphs unnecessarily.

Think about it
how often do you really want to
start a new line
unless you are a poet
or making a gay list

You sound like a cuck, faggot.

Also, convincing leftists that they're stupid is both impossible and completely pointless even if you could manage it. What you want to do is convince leftists not that they're stupid, but that they're wrong.

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those 'leaders' were chosen. chosen, part by nigs to advance niggerdom (children love child-center-of-the-universe thinking). chosen, part by other groups. chosen, regardless of the group, to advance a handful of centric views.

when they started to go against their utility as nigga-centrics, the nigs hated them with pure lefty toddler ancom furor. same likewise applies to others. while you can go all blame-the-jew for this, and i'll pitch in too, mlk and malcomx nevertheless were far more likely killed by uncle tom craziness. these two were not unique: all of africa, and all matriarchy hen parties, exhibit the behavior of go steal to feed the hens or be fat for their thighs.

all the blm boys, sent by their mothers to be good ol' back-to-school tahurn-de-liff-roun bullet ridden hog targets follow the exact same model, just are of successive generations of descent later that have too little intelligence to even get to mlk dreamer dreamin'. yes, psyops go down in the media, with all the to each their own cia/fed/bank/soros/matriarch/centrist treachery kikedom, but that schizo-capitalizing. jewry assassination historically shows more signs of bank and war involvement, not nigs nigging nogs.

jpeterson needs more time. he is doing better. he is not doing well. he is using history in a dyscratic fashion. this is perhaps a neutral/comfort hodl-pattern-zone, rather than continuing to face the reality all are born into. nevertheless, you have been advised.

humiliation is an overloaded, degraded word.

it can only be attained by mirror image circuits (all animals have this, checked).

it can only be remembered if all image components are loaded at recognition (failure, not all animals have eyes, not all animals do homework, not all animals speak, nor hear).

it can only be applied if-mirror + if-preload + if-recognition, and –then– failure conveyed through same mirror image circuitry. most people are not people enough, nor lucid enough, beyond the most reduced regressive mirrors. hence the 'evolution' (rather, latent expression thereof) of not-my-specific-version-communism communists and bernfags.

you can do it. but you have to set it up well, deliver it acutely, and then trigger the acceptance of pain (failure demonstrated) through the activated and accepted recognition mirror circuitry. finally, you're not done, you have to –bind– it. repetition, memory, payment of some sort. of which those who have reduced inheritance (and thus reduced mirror imaging ableness), typically do not have much thereof. hence jews.

jews, who love to preach they have humility, do not know humility. hence ancom spergouts and mental disease. humility, as it was originally defined +/-, was a white word. same with humble. humility and/or humble is not egalitarian, nor altruistic, nor autism, nor embarrassment, etc. these things are not the humility you seek.

try teaching humility to this.

Who's house nigger is this?

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This
Derisive laughter really works
They cannot handle derision, it completely demolishes any resolve they had

this. i saw an antifa protest in london and the organisers were all these middle aged blokes grouped at the bag while young ppl in masks formed the vanguard, shouting the slogans etc.

the 40+ aged 80s communist in britain is an angry and resentful individual who's watched leftism fail repeatedly and then get massively cucked when labour went neoliberal in the mid 90s. they'll gladly watch it all burn and they've got multitudes of their young selves to fight for them.

of course they will they're failed nihilists who were unable to become the ubermensch
they're all bitter and resentful and pozzed and they mask their emotional wounds with hedonism and blind faith in their cause

Fedora means Atheist. Fedora does not mean liberal.

I am a Fedora. I want to see kikes gassed and a new white homeland established (with lebensraum).

Do not mix the two, faggot-ass OP.

*NUCLEAR TIP*

The only flawed part of the ideology?

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The entire southern hemisphere is up for grabs.

>How can anyone convince narcissistic leftists that they are not intelligent?
You literally can't. It has never occurred this way in history, ever. This is why violence is the only way things have ever been accomplished in the past. Even when proved to be wrong, one will simply deflect or disregard their ignorance. Most people aren't inquisitive, most people don't want to find the truth. They're happy believing what they want and fuck anyone who says otherwise.

This is why leftists need to die.

It's not necessarily stupidity but various groups committing open psychological warfare against the American people using media, science and educational institutions.

Nope, pr cuck, the time for worrying about hurt feelings has passed. In fact worrying about hurt feelings is what created these movements in the first place. What is needed now is to laugh at these stupid fuckers and shame them into submission. There is no bringing them about slowly, look how the de-cuckening works on the chans. You come to the chans, look around, post, get shot down immediately and called a fag, this drives you to post better shit, people laugh at you but also throw you a compliment from time to time when you get something right, then you git gud, and start un-cucking the next group of newfags that comes through.

Laugh at them. Shame them. Feelings be damned.

Also, " You can't logic a person out of a position they didn't logic themselves into."

You just tell them that their only weapon is ridicule and they have nothing of factual value to say.

They shut up immediately because they know it's true. Smug condescension works both ways.

This, so much.

People don't seem to understand that our souls, if any, are all just running on hardware that we were born into. Asians and Whites have a lot of the hardware that makes us human (expanded cerebral cortex). Blacks, not so much. Aboriginal Australians are simply apes. Quite a lot of Middle Easterners actually have enough Mediterranean White in them to be real people, but they're so contaminated with Islam and so wretched with inbreeding that they need extensive genetic modification (or extermination) nearly as badly as the niggers.

Genetic modification for intelligence and neural implants for computation and storage would be excellent.

The real problem, of course, is the fucking kikes trying to use this technology to control people rather than uplift them. All of Facebook is an excellent example.

They can't subvert us if they don't exist anymore.

Atheism is inherently liberal. Atheistic Materialism is literally the final stage of the Jew convincing you to castrate yourself.

There is no such thing as a "conservative" Atheist. You can pretend to be one. You can LARP as one. But at the end of the day, the idea just doesn't pan out. As pozzed as Christianity has been forced to become by Cultural Marxism, you still find the lion's share of nationalist holdouts and ethnocentric revolutionaries in their ranks.

There's no such thing as some enclave of redpilled Atheists. There are more fudgepacker faggots who vote Republican sincerely than there are Atheists who actually believe in anything remotely scientific or Conservative.

Face facts: You're at least 70% Commie right out of the gate for believing what you do. Wanting to get rid of Jews and niggers doesn't change that. So did Stalin and Castro.

The general mass of people (normies) need a religion to guide them through their lifes and protect them from degeneracy. This is a historic fact. And as long as we don't have anything better, christianity has to do it. Maybe we just need new reformation to uncuck it and make it more in line with the philosophy of natural law.

You're in the middle of one right now, you fucking mong.

Or do you really believe that Hotwheels' Kike Killing Klub is made of Christians?

Orthodox Christians for the most part
Synchronicity=meme magic=Logos

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kys

Logos is Logos, whatever name you give it. Try to differentiate the concepts, not the mask.

You must be new here.

Maybe you're thinking of cuckchan nigger.

I don't think Esoteric Hitlerism, Egyptian panentheism, European nativist animism, or Vedic Aryanism would really be defined as atheistic.

You are right about Christcucks being second class posers though.

Leftists socialize and argue like women, they're effectively the same.

this

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You cut off the bottom line

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you're right
why preserve broken, corrupt and pozzed institutions instead of burning it all down and renewing life from the ashes?
and you'll find the Kenyan ivory trades share of pozzed marxists and christcucks spreading humanitarian liberal bullshit under the guise of the cross
ive seen transsexual dykes running support groups out of churches in the rural midwest
apparently an entire Christian community including the pastors are fine with letting that abomination fiddle with the minds of their children

You can't.

There is a french general during WWI that pretty much established that ultimately human boiled down to four defining tendencies.

Smart VS Stupid.
Industrious VS Lazy.

And that therefore generals and officers, which didn't pick who they would work with should quickly ID which of which their subordinates were and task them accordingly.

People that were industrious and smart make for excellent rear officers or excellent troop commanders and will pursue their task with precision and pay attention to even the smallest details, ensuring proper placement for each MG nest, proper flow of supplies, etc… Those were fairly rare, less than 1 out 4.

People that are lazy and smart are however what you want for general officer, simply because someone industrious will simply drown itself into the details and fail to see bigger pictures. Also someone lazy will naturally tend to delegates things he's not sure he can do quickly to people more competent than him. He considered those people are the rarest, maybe 1 out of 10.

In the same way people that are stupid and lazy (that's the bulk of people) aren't worthless, you just have to assign them to simple task they can't fuck up by being stupid, their inherent laziness will actually encourage them do to properly (to not having to repeat them) and make sure they don't do anything they were not instructed to do.

However the most dangerous and completely useless are the people that are stupid and industrious. First typically they don't realize they're stupid, second their industrious nature pushes them to do far more than what was instructed, so their fuck up, unlike the stupid and lazy, will not be strictly limited to their assigned task but compounded.
You can't do anything with them, you have to either give them menial tasks or more likely give them BS assignments, posting with nice titles "liaison to something and something", but that don't really have work to do, etc… Those guys being roughly 1 out of 3 people.

Now you take that type of though and adapt it to modern day jobs and you get that nice chart.

Where do you think leftists are?
Yup, down right.

You can't do anything with them.

not really, nowhere near sweden's levels but perhaps close

No, Norway is worst than Sweden.

I find this very interesting… where did you pull this from so I can read more about it?

You only find it interesting because you think that you are smart and lazy. I am projecting here a bit though.

Yes exactly. I'm pretty confident that the upper left quadrant represents me exactly. That's why I'd like to read more about it.

as the source general (1) got boys for free, (2) who were compelled by doom and State, (3) to fight a jewish war (4) on behalf of the confabulated lie of the 'right' of lazy and stupid to be lazy and stupid at others' expense, (5) including the expense of the truth, (6) it was no surprise that le general quickly found himself surrounded by the lazy and stupid, (7) and this persisted no matter what algorithm he chose, which, you are correct, is precisely because he couldn't – and/or could not get the State to – realize.

that is to say, such a conclusion from such a setting is to be expected, because that is the setting. 1 = 1. identity matrix with identity transform is identity matrix.

that the general burned his best, and rewarded is least, is stupid and lazy.

quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/28/clever-lazy/
wikiquote.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord
wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord
businessinsider.com/why-clever-and-lazy-leaders-are-more-efficient-2013-11

I also inwardly groan whenever I hear Dr. Peterson talk about the Holocaust as if it were a historical fact–some foundational myth that we use as a frame of reference to judge society.
However, in a way his acknowledgement of the fact that the Holocaust IS, de facto, the 'Foundational Myth' of the 20th century, runs very counter to the plans of the Jews, who would rather people intrinsically 'know' of the Holocaust than to actually be aware of its significance, which could lead to questioning its validity.
Additionally, we have to also understand that even if Jordan Peterson DID have questions about the historical narrative (it certainly seems that he doesn't go with the mainstream views on a lot of things!), he surely realises that in order to continue to influence the large amount of people that he does through 'mainstream' channels, there are certain boundaries that he cannot cross.
HOWEVER, he may be just sly enough to conduct himself in a way that clearly SHOWS just what the boundaries are and where they lie to the extent that astute observers will be forced to acknowledge them, and later question them, based on Dr. Peterson's own advice to his audience.
tl;dr–he could be playing multi-dimensional chess, and even if he's not, he might as well be, because we don't lose anything for acting like he is, and he's certainly an ally.

Nice Digits!
THIS.

What we do is convince neutral major figures i.e. JonTron, PewDiePie, etc., to come out as right leaning to shift the overton to the right. This will attract more normalfags to "our position-lite." We can't fully redpill them because this much information will cause an "information shock" wherein a reciever of information completely shuts out all information because its volume is too great to be easily understood by said person who is putting all efforts to block this information from their mind. They must eased into. This will be easiest against intelligence types who figure out this information on their with assisstance from the recieved information. It is easier to convince the smartest of them about your beliefs than it is to convince all of their basest. As each rung of intelligent people below them will emulate them to appear smart. This repeats for each rung. Until everyone agrees.

This is true. He knows what he's doing, he's wired into the Kek consciousness.

This is the same thing that happens here on the internet. We are viewed as sages of the internet and 4cucks try to imitate us. And then redditfags try emulate 4cucks, and then normalfags reddit. Your efforts will always be in vain if you can't convince the sages as you create a sort evolutionary process wear the holders of the suppressed opinions are further galvanized and intelligent on their own such that they too are viewed as sages. This results in even more sages who will convince even more lower rungs which results in even more sages and so and so forth until the suppressed idea breaks through to the majority. The amazing this is that this already happening. What more is that this is being done through the power of memes and good arguments convincing us that we are right. We are winning the Meme War, and we will surely win with the power of Kek on our side.

This. Look at how Molyneux's shift in the past two years has brought lots of people with him. Memeplexes that have installed themselves in people's minds have a momentum, you have to think about slowing that momentum like anti-lock brakes. And the thing is, the rightward shift of popular figures should reinforce itself, since each rightward shift on their part leads to more exposure of the hate on the left, which only serves to push them further to the right, and so on.

Then Holla Forums just needs to be there to play good cop.

The only defense against their psyops is to launch our own. Kek is our sword and Pepe our shield in that regard.

I'm fairly certain this what the elites did with celebrities and figure heads. They were "artificial sages." Since most normalfags are dumb fucking rocks they can't tell the difference; however, we do have influence. By trying to suppress us, our ideas and memes are refined into something closest to pure truth. This truth can only emerge in this harshest of places for ideas. We constantly debate and ridicule each other, we were are own sages. I digress. Eventually we had influence in the space of the normieverse since our ideas were pure truth. This then spread and eventually ending where we are now.

positive christianity

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