Why can't you accept the 20th century is dead and move on?

I see too many leftists still clinging to the extremely stupid notion that Bolshevism, USSR, Paris Commune, or some anarchist society is possible.
Why can't you accept them as historical failures and move on?
Tankies are extremely stupid people that still larp to the USSR, to the corpse of Lenin/Stalin.
They are all dead.


Why can't you integrate the Anerican a Revolution, French Revolution to appeal to people?
Just drop Lenin, cut out the industrial revolution bullshit from Marx, and tolerate people owning property. Without using the American/French revolutions, you have no chance of getting widespread public support.
Even Zizek keeps telling the Left that the 20th century is over, and you need a coherent plan after your stupid revolution.

BTW, I'm using my iPhone and I can't attach pictures properly, so forgive me using a photo.

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IE be a liberal. No thanks, applecuck.

Or you could, you know, look into market socialism.

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if you honestly think this is true then you should no know why people tell you market socialism isnt real socialism.

It is tho

this is a ruse

move to where?

we have data
we try to interpret data
we come to conclusions
we test them
rince and repeat

So basically become a SocDem?
No, thanks.

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Yeah how dare we stand up for our own beliefs

I agreed with you until that. What exactly are you playing at, motherfucker?

To the early 19th century?

Because that's what "rejecting 20th century" is about.

Markets only imply trade driven by supply and demand. Private property is unnecessary

All demands to forget USSR essentially boil down to accepting Invisible Hand as your Lord and Master.

Why are you surprised?

Nigger, you're the one who wants state capitalism.

This

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So you agreed with the integrating the American fucking revolution? What's next, integrating the Beer Hall Putsch into our program?

The USSR will never return.
You will die, and the USSR will still remain dead, as it died in 1989.

Despite all the Cassandra level doomsday prophesying from the Left, capitalism still exists and thrives more than ever.

there is a difference between owning property and owning all the products and profits that derive from that propery

pls end urself OP

capitalism still exists and thrives more than ever*

*on a couple of select societies

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And you accuse us of being stuck in the 20th century.

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You're not wrong that clinging to the ideals and conditions of the 20th and 19th centuries is largely why the left is so irrelevant. But that doesn't imply sliding on being a communist or having to appeal to nationalism.

Capitalism has evolved far past your 18th century caricature of it.

ITT: Very salty butthurt leftists are angry that the USSR can never be resurrected, and they will remain irrelevant.

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Why are you a communist?
The Left today is a religion, in that you create self fulfilling prophesies about how X revolution will inevitably happen. You cling to Marx, Kropotkin, Bakunin, Prodogh, Lenin as if they are unquestionable truth.
And you mostly seem interested in being 18th-20th century role players.

The Left is whiny, has this nauseating moralism, and it's highly emotional.

Oh, so it's stopped using private property to generate surplus value.

Also, (if you're OP) you were the one who invoked 18th century revolutions as some sort of ideal.

Aside from the USSR, Cuba, NK, China (Mao's) and Venezula which all were failures.
If you are referring to anarchism, that has been a historical failure.

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lol, not really

the same bullshit marx complained about is still going on, almost word for word. capitalists complain about a minimum wage while making record profits, that diminishing the work day or work week from twelve hours to ten, and then ten hours to eight, would bankrupt them, and so on and so on

For those that want an introduction to this sort of thing:

newyorker.com/business/currency/obama-marx-and-the-minimum-wage

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

Yeah, in fact modern capitalism is becoming more like 19th century capitalism with each passing day. We've already had a repeat of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in Bangladesh.

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Twice, I think. I thought I saw something about another factory fire in Bangladesh, but it was in passing and I didn't have time to investigate.

so, tolerate capitalism?

Or you don't know what you're talking about, unsurprisingly.

But the Plan is not to build new USSR.

It never was.

The Plan was - and is - to build Communism.

for whom?

By third world standards they were/are successful.

The things Holla Forums needs to drop
1. Stirner
2. Lenin/Stalin

Things Holla Forums should embrace
1. Mutualism
2. Revisionism
3. Lifestyleism

and by lifestylism I mean living after your principles to inspire people and leading by example. Not wearing a unwashed hoodie and smoking weed in some dirty squat that no normal person would ever live in.

>>>/liberalpol/

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I had already thought of this before. Basically just give favouritism to co-ops that give them tax breaks and ability to be funded better than other business. All other businesses required to legally have half of their board of directors be elected in. Strong state control of resources and imports as well as stop job outsourcing that leads to job loss.

why do spyphone faggots still cling to their shitty buji phones like a bunch of feral niggers unwilling to leave the safety of the trees


honestly hes kinda right tho

Yes. The most important part would be start up help and loans to create new coops, and cutting taxes. Big companys don't pay them anyway, so at this point taxes are basicly small businesses paying for the big ones. Level the playing field and coops could outcompete capitalists.