You know, after browsing this board for a long time I think I've finally got to just let this shit off my chest

crack down on shit posts and shit threads

ban Holla Forums

There, you've fixed a good 70-80% of what's wrong with Holla Forums.

I'm not talking about prejudice, I'm talking about systemic discrimination.

Which is not "inseperably" intertwined with class. Places without racism still have class.

That doesn't disprove my point, I'm describing race, not class. Race is inseparably attached to class but not necessarily vice versa.

Intertwined implies both dependent on each other.

Also race isnt even a real thing, its just something idiots and americans use.

What IRC channels? Rizon?

How do I IRC?

go to rizon, to "#bunkerchan"

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PROFIT!

Yeah, they are. Dialectical materialism is all about finding the roots in the issues we seek to solve, and racism has its roots in capital and the continuation of class separation. Race is just another excuse to separate masses of people into the proletariat, and to exclude them from participating in the current society which is predicated on gathering wealth.

You want to solve racism? You don't stop and say "we need black power", you stop and say "we need to kill capitalism.

Systematic discrimination doesn't happen because lighter skinned people inherently want to oppress darker skinned people. Racism didn't just "pop up". It was an excuse to colonize and enslave, and today it is a device used to economically enslave in our modern day observance of systematic racism. It all leads back to capital. As the capitalist says, "it ain't personal, just business".

Like, I'm down to do this but I really ain't trying to do this if its anything like the Holla Forums discord. That is total shit.

leftypol needs its own irc channel.
bunkerchan is a roleplaying shithole

The board has gone to total shit ever since the Bernout. I'd offer to moderate but it seems like it's not happening. It's at the point where I'm almost thinking about trying to main another board, and I've been here since the beginning.

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so how do you deal with the fact that racism predates capitalism? Going the 'dude dont worry about solving racism, it will end after we deal with capitalism(which wont happen any time soon) LMAO!!!' is almost as stupid as going the 'dude dont worry about solving sexism, it will end after we deal with capitalism(which wont happen any time soon) LMAO!!!' route.

"You don't stop and say "we need black power""

who has claimed that?

Base enforces the superstructure. Ending capitalism will not get rid of all systemic prejudices, but it would certainly get rid of the material conditions the exacerbates identitarian conflicts and in theory would remove the motives for systemic prejudices.

smh

you deleted your own post. It's in the board log faggot.

Let me guess you mean the Hegel threads? Tell me what did Lenin do when the 1st world war hit europe and all the social democrats capitulated to chauvinism? He retreated to Switzerland and studied Hegel. There is theory, but no such thing as "obscure" theory

If you want to leave, leave. Namefags won't be missed.

False.
True.

What places are without racism?

Class predates capitalism.

Are you retarded m8? It's not.

And class predates racism, but so what? Even throwing age aside in speaking about the two ideas, the fact is that racism today is:

1. Empowered by capitalism. Racism today is enforced by capitalism, but if you took that away there is no power for racism to oppress anyone. It will make it that much easier for racists to simply be shunned and die out when they won't have any economic leverage to continue their racist policy after capitalism is removed.

2. An excuse by the ruling class to pursue policy that hurts the entire working class, colored or not. Colonization was the beginning of such ventures that used race as an excuse to do it, and today it is used as an excuse to militarize the police (profiling) as well as pursue lopsided economic investments in places like Africa and SE Asia.

I mean, I know pic related is thrown around a lot but really think about what he's saying. Economic material conditions are the weight behind racism; the idea doesn't have shit to scare anyone after capitalism is removed.

No, I don't mean just the Hegel threads. And you know, I actually didn't know that he did that. All the same, I want to take a quote from Marx to explain exactly what I mean here:

"The dispute over the reality or non-reality of thinking which is isolated from practice is a purely scholastic question." - Theses on Feuerbach

Our environment and world are literally dying and becoming dangerously unbalanced thanks to a supercharged capitalism whose ideology is ever encompassing. People are suffering at this very moment (I literally can't get this off my mind 24/7, and I feel about as hopeless as Che did about this when he was traveling on his motorcycle) and we do nothing about it except what, discuss theory and dumbass questions like is sex communist or not.

Comrades, the time for theory is past. I challenge us as a whole community, if we can say we are true communists then the time for organizing and having a serious minded place to discuss things is long overdue.

Oh here we go, "MUH NAMEFAGS AND CHAN CULTURE". I created the name so people would know I at least know what the fuck I'm talking about when they ask me questions about the military, etc.

Damn right I'll give you shit. If it's not related to your military experience then take it off before you end up like A.W.

Sage for offtopic, but who is AW?

An ignorant, arrogant, obnoxious sperg of a tripfag. I've done you a disservice by that comparison, so I apologize.

He's…kinda right, you know?

Race is a social construct, ie. a spook. But social constructs are still real in the respect that people take them seriously.

You're not disagreeing with me.
Fighting racism as it manifests in capitalist society should be an intermediate objective for any socialist, just like sexism and poverty.

I'd argue that feudalism and slavery were just early versions of capitalism, since the definition of capitalism is "private ownership of capital", which both feudalism and slavery fall under. Hunter-gatherer societies and agrarian societies are cool in my book, and I can't think of any other way to organize an economy (other than, obviously, socialism and full communism).

Same tho, my name is a credential more than anything for when I bring up Puerto Rico and whatnot.

No he's not. A.W. is an egotist whose posts are mostly contrarianism and superiority complex. Most namefags pick up a name or a trip because they want what they say to be evaluated on their character and intelligence and not on the remark itself- so people can either disregard their opinion ("this is coming from the anarkiddie") or regard it over that of anons ("this guy knew what he was talking about on that Holla Forumsbait thread so I'm trusting him a little more")

That's the problem, you dunce. We should judge each other on the meritis of our arguments, no on the merits of who we are.

Funny you say I'm not disagreeing, because in essence you're right. I mean, SJW's have it right. Racism is an egregious wrong, and it should be fought. I will denounce it at every turn. However, the way to beat it is simply to advocate for and institute socialism. I don't believe that simply protesting every racist event is going to simply make people feel bad and stop being racist.

I mean, I am not really even concerned about racism as it manifests because its so retarded. Just take away their economic power they have through capitalism; take away the racist's economic control over what should be social resources and MoP and we have basically solved the problem.

I… I don't know, I kind of disagree. I mean, lets say someone is a decent writer. If they kept coming into, in my example, military threads and posting well written answers to people's questions but they're total bullshit it is hurting the essence of what people are trying to do which is learn about something.

I keep this name because when I speak, people know who they're speaking to. A true communist, a combat veteran, and someone who generally knows who they are talking about. Namefagging just because you want to be a special snowflake and have people make threads like "LOL WHO IZ CUTEST NAMEFAG" makes me want to vomit.

Why does your opinion about this board require you to namefag? Think about that.

I have thought about it. The OP goes hand in hand with it. I'm an adult, a committed communist and think that there should be dedicated place of discussion for that demographic. The name and who I am reinforces the opinion, IMO.

But I mean generally, I don't think namefagging is harmful per se. And I say that as someone who has been on chans for a long, long time. Its dogma at this point.

It's not dogma when namefags and tripfags are some of the worst posters imaginable.
And you're on that dark path.

If I ever become a bad poster, let me know. But I don't think I have been so far.

Perilously close, comrade. You're the content of your post not the form.

Bullshit. You watch how all the other namefags behave and evolve. They start like you, and soon enough, you have dipshits like Rebel that think "we are namefags because we, unlike everyone else, are right and vice-versa." Namefagging is like a weird cough. You catch, think it's fine that it isn't something too bad, then it turns into full-blown pneumonia.

But the merits of the argument are often indeterminate. For example, someone makes a thread like this-
AW responds like this-
Rebel responds like this-
The OP evaluates the two arguments but having no strong preference due to his own noviceness to leftism decides he trusts Rebel more.

You're right about racism activism being a waste of time but vocally opposing it and supporting measures that fight it are important.

Shut the fuck up

He doesn't say this

He does in here, not on his spooky videos.

If he's not namefagging across the board it doesn't matter.

How do we unfuck Holla Forums?

no he doesn't
wew

thx

Yes he does, but since cripplekike was a fag about archives, I can't show you

you sure he wasn't just memeing

Racial movements are unrelated to socialism.

someone anchored a thread about privacy in communism. it creeped me out.

racially homogeneous societies.

Racism would probably exist even then

name one

This sounds bretty good, actually

Then you're blind. BLM is a movement with heavily revolutionary potential, and you're only an obstacle to socialism if you think that there is nothing for leftism to gain by finding ways to convert them to socialism.

Not him. I see the point many anons when they talk bout BML like that. My problem with that is, their movement is far too spooked and far too perverted by idpol for us to have any actual gain by dealing with them, and a lot to lose.

What do we possibly have to lose? What is this "left" cause that we are hurting by engaging them on a personal level and inviting them to think about socialism?

My problem here is that people, when talking about BLM and their "too spooked-news" seem to think that we ourselves have some kind of big movement that we are trying to not pollute. I say otherwise. We are at the literal bottom in terms of a leftist movement, and we only have ahead of us a grind to build it from the bottom. Hence, anything we can get we need to take. BLM's members recognize there is something wrong.

It just takes people [normies w/o autism] who can relate to other human beings to simply:

It's that fuckin simple. Keep talking. Unfortunately, I'm a fucking idiot because half of us are in here LARPing, a quarter are NEET who take the term "normie" seriously and the other quarter are Nazis and teenage trolls.

What little support we have, by either those who will get disillusioned with an hypothetical group associating themselves with BLM for the reasons I explained or lose ourselves to idpol.

Pray tell, what support are you talking about? Who is supporting actual leftism today?

In the US? Hell if I know. I'm not American. In Brazil where I live? Not anyone anymore. They were all coopted by idpol. They now prefer to argue about putting more women and PoC in high management positions than fighting capitalism

Right, well BLM is an American movement. So what point were you trying to even make comrade?

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You can't win by dealing with idpol. They won't join your movement no matter what, and you risk losing yourself to them.

Right. I disagree, that's about all I can say about that.

MLK was a socialist. Malcolm X became a socialist. Huey Newton was a socialist. BLM is the biggest chance for revolutionary activism that exists in America right now.

MLK, late Malcom X and Newton weren't identitarians to the extent BLM. It's incredibly naive of your part to think that BLM has any real usefulness to our cause

Hold on, you're Brazilian and want to talk to me about how much Newton and Malcolm X weren't identitarians?

Malcolm X was a huge proponent of the Nation of Islam, a historically racist and black focused religious group. Newton headed the Black Panthers and continually argued for black power and was a huge reason the phrase is big.

Boy, you gotta be kidding me. But nah, keep that opinion. Not like the left isn't in the trash can right now and needs help. Nah, we can pick and choose what help we get because we got it like that.

Fuckin LARPers man.

Did the army made you blind or you're just that stupid?

Fucking namefags, man.

He was a huge proponent of the NoI and then he went to Mecca and found out it and his black racialism were all bullshit.

And then the NoI killed him as he was starting to transition to a Islamig :DDDD socialist viewpoint.

Come on, mang

You're really fucking confused aren't you. My argument was that BLM is inherently useful to any kind of revolutionary activism because their leaders in the past were socialists through and through like Malcolm and MLK. Even though these figures were heavily identitarian in their careers at certain points, they all ended up in the right frame of mind: that capitalism is the problem.

So, what are you even arguing at this point you fucking imbecile?

Dude, just do yourself a favor and read a few posts above. What did I just say? That all of these dudes were socialists in the end.

BLM is a gathering of people activated to the point of getting people out into the streets. It does not matter what the powers that be might have had planned with some of their 'leaders' or even fostering some of their leaders…

They're people physically moving, and actually engaging. If you feel they're being exploited and used, don't just sit back and go "see, I told ya!", engage. Spread your analysis, and show where you believe they are wrong.

There's a gazillion little "true communist" parties that do nothing but sit back, always refuse to engage, and at every opportunity of actual massive movements of people dismiss it all - and instead of trying to coopt it *back*, or try to fight against what they see the people being exploited or chained down the wrong path, do nothing… then popup a month later and say "you can only ever trust us!"… even though they never did anything, for the people, and do nothing but mock any attempt of other people who might not be as well read as them, at every attempt they make to actually change things.

If you disagree with BLM, and I disagree with several expressions they've had, then fucking walse in there with your communist understanding and talk to them. Show your fucking presence, and even if reactions and expressions take forms that you see as misguided; if the backdrop of why they are reacting is true, then again, engage - and support. All you dismissive fuckers do is sit back and let the capitalist and borgy politicians play everyone into their game and do NOTHING about it.

And you want respect? You think the people are going to come running to you, when their efforts fail, after you did nothing but mock them? Fuck you.

>"Honky don't whitesplain to me you fucking racist #checkyourprivilege"

Blow me cunt.

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If you like the taste of my ass so much, keep licking.

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It seems to me quite obvious you're the one interested in licking asses, enjoying my butthurt as it graces your tongue, and probably - consequently - cocks, as that would be quite close to my ass, anatomically speaking.

Are you into scat, as well?

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What a nice reflection on yourself. I can see I'm dealing with a highly introspective person, here.

When did you first learn of your desire for scat?

bumping a good and necessary thread

Correct.

Holla Forumsmerfags or outright LARPing retards

If you want to radicalize BLM on the cheap, go to /baphomet/ and maybe one of the knuckledraggers has successfully dox'd one of them by this point. I'm sure they were attempting to dox leaders but baph seems to have been abandoned by all but a bunch of butthurt pols trying to PA people. Either way, get the address of core BLM members and send them off a printed copy of the Communist Manifesto since it's pretty short, with a prompt to read Kapital.

This is what a thread on how broken and shit Holla Forums is… becomes. People just throwing memes and shit at each other.

I swear to God dude, if /r/socialism types who gather in universities wearing shitty cologne and fedoras who talk about Stalin unironically.. and /leftypo/ spergs who can't go two seconds without proving someone wrong or being a self righteous little prick are what is left of communists in the world…I really feel like its over. We fuckin' lost dude.

What's wrong namefag, can't handle the bantz?

Kek, I see this stale as fuck Nando's meme so rarely I'm certain it's one singular, unfunny autistic Brit. He resorts to it whenever he gets BTFO, which is pretty much every time I've seen him in the wild.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to offer a concise and reasoned criticism to "blow me cunt."

I think you're being melodramatic.