Arrgh!

how do you justify piracy, matey? you be knowin' it's a crime

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why should i justify something thats not immoral in the first place?

Soon, there will be a guy (999) posts in one thread. He'll top all autists, including figglefaggles.

Knowing that im nkpot giving moniy to liars and criminals.

So did those chang chongs quit or did they come back?

And will denuvo ever be defeated?

Lots a shit is illegal where I live, like fucking cars.
That doesn't mean I give a shit about the law.

I guess by not giving a shit.

Cars are illegal where you live?
How does anybody get around?

Idk about your country, but a 60 dollar game costs more than 240 bucks in my country

minimum wage is less than 800 bucks per month

most of the difference is due to taxes, so fuck the government, Im not paying 4x the price of something just to support a bunch of leeches that dont contribute anything to my life, on the contrary, they just make it hard for everyone

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user, when I said "like fucking cars" I wasn't using the second word as an emphasizer.
I literally meant fucking cars isn't legal here.

They walk, satan

Is there some sort of subtext to these pictures you've put together?

Никак. Попробуй останови меня, если сможешь, жидовое рыло.

I'd still like to know what fucked up country would have a law that specifically states that.

That just raises more questions than it answered.

Even if the car gives enthusiastic consent?

What is it with the Automobilophobia these days?

I found most of my favourite franchises from it. I pirated Serious Sam for the Xbox ages ago, and now I own every Sam game except the HD remakes. If you make a good product people will give you money for it. RWS is still riding off the success of Postal 2, and the game has no DRM.
Speaking of Postal 2, I've shared it with lots of my friends, including one who had never played a FPS before. The ones who liked it went and bought it, meaning RWS gained about 4 more sales because of piracy.
I keep a 64GB USB stick full of vidya, free and pirated, to introduce people to stuff that they would have ignored otherwise.

Someone who bought it is sharing it with the person sharing it with me. Since they bought it, it was theirs to give and became owned by the one they gave it to when they gave it, who then gave it to me. Copyright is theft.

You can't justify piracy. It's literally one of the worst crimes out there

Like this?

As a future game dev I think piracy should only be done against big corporations that will get big money anyways, or people that go full SJW and/or shit on their audience.

I try to support everybody else

Who left the ruskie cage open?

Go back there, alexei, and squat quietly like a good slav.

I don't give my money to jews.

Piracy is only a crime because of "intellectual property" laws. In a sane world it would just be a fact of life.

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So what if it's a crime, laws don't dictate what is actually right and wrong

A black flag is rising, the devil's reaching for my soul.

In most countries it's not even a crime. It is a civil matter, which is a completely different thing. That's why you never see anyone get thrown in jail for pirating, barring the TPB guys, only sued.

Why? What makes the rest of you faggots an exception?

WHY WOULD THIS BE A LAW IN ANY COUNTRY?
ARE PEOPLE JUST DISREGARDING WOMEN AND SETTLING FOR VEHICLES THERE?

Because like most hypocrites when something he takes advantage of negatively affects him, he's against it.

If I like their product I'll want to have more.

Why wouldn't I help someone I think is a good dev?

That's not what you said you stupid cunt.

Show me where it says "Only give money to good devs".

What a shitty country.

post the one with the jet

What the fuck, CP will get some people here V& idiot.

How I justify piracy?


None of these games is worth money.

why is that a law
how did that become such a serious problem that the government had to stop it with legal repercussions

So for the swedes CP is the same as pirating?

uuuh I meant Pillars of Eternity not Path of Exile (which is also a terrible game)

My wallet thanks me for not pillaging it, instead I be copying some things, not even stealin'. Not a true pirate if we not be stealin', but its better then those emsaculated folks who think they be havin' fun forkin' their money to the true pirates.

The thing about piracy is that most people won't pirate a game if the developer isn't a giant piece of shit and the game is actually good. Being a decent person who makes a good product is honestly enough a lot of the time.

Of course, Holla Forums isn't the BEST metric for this since one has to keep their nose COMPLETELY clean at all times, one slip-up becomes a black spot with a giant neon sign that says "PIRATE THIS FUCKERS GAMES".

HOW ABOUT YOU DEAL WITH IT!

My country has no anti piracy laws, so it is not a crime.

Pretty much this, but also:

Piracy is a lot of the time the only option for me.
I tend to like obscure shit that is not easy to find(think certain movies and novels) so in those cases is piracy the only option for me.

As for vidya. The risk is simply too great. I have burned my fingers too many times on games that I had bought and turned out to be barely functional. That is why I say: Pirate first and buy it if you like it

By being hopelessly nihilistic.

where ya campin user?

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user, please don't make me want to fuck cars. I'll get registered as a sex offender if I do.

There's a lot of ones with a jet.

Law and crime are subjective.

Never make a thread like this again.

Mature adult man raping a 5 year old in that picture

reported to the police

With repeating integers, like these guys.

(nice of you to visit again, Satan)

I think there are people who go around fucking peoples' cars at stuff like rare car shows etc

They literally have a little community where they coordinate online and go out in groups to gang rape cars

There's a documentary about it but I forgot the name

For myself, I blame that Cars movie for causing that.
Never even considered vehicles like that until then.

Incidentally, having always regarded them as individuals, sometimes even talking to them, it made it pretty easy to start.

Point being, I think this is why that law may exist.

if a game that is no longer in print and/or is on a console that is no longer being manufactured, and there is no digital store option. then I say pirating is no big deal. since the publishes aren't even giving you the option to buy it. that is why I torrented the PC version of Wanted Weapons of Fate I already have the 360 version and no one involved with the making of that game will ever get money from it ever again.

You reminded me of the Blockbuster/Nintendo/Sega debacle.

Back in the old days, Nintendo hated video game rentals because they saw it as a form of piracy and kept hounding blockbuster who was making bank buying Nintendo games at retail prices and lending them and making four times as much money as they spent for each copy, depending on the popularity of the game.

Due to the legal drama with Nintendo, Sega stepped in and started selling their games to rental stores directly at good prices because their biggest concern at the time was simply getting exposure. Rental stores were willing to work with Sega over Nintendo and one of the main reasons that Sega rose from a rookie to be considered Nintendo's equal in the 90's was because of Nintendo's attacks on piracy drove rental stores to Sega's arms, who instead of complaining about piracy, was more open to using this new form of "piracy" as a means of making themselves a household name while Nintendo fought a losing battle and drove people away by being corporate faggots who thought they could stomp video game rentals in North America like people did in Japan.

Easy, I don't.

How horrible.
You need to give your vehicle some sensual lovings first. There's courtship proceedings, careful dating, a few testdrives maybe.
You can't just jump straight in like some kind of brute.

Yep, that sounds like England alright.

how do AAA studios justify charging for shitty videogames?

people fap to that thing?

I'm the lawful pirate kek, that don't make any sense. I pay when the developers put effort into their shit, like I did with Ori and the Blind Forest.

Otherwise, I stop playing and throw it in the recycle bin.

probably, i haven't fapped to this though, because it's not degenerate enough

So anybody that makes good games and likes their audience

??

Not in my country :^)

I wasn't gonna be able to pay for it anyways, they've lost no money by my downloading it

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it's free advertising

i don't need to justify pirating something, it's a crime you can get away with so fuck it

granted i don't pirate video games as often as i do music/movies/anime because i try to speak with my wallet and actually buy games i like

That's like, such a specific fetish… how does someone ever get into this stuff?

Fantasy movies and top gear

copying aint stealing

I heard some games (Descent) have been pulled off Steam and GOG, in the case of Steam people who already bought them don't seem to be able to download them anymore.

If the company does something immoral, if the company are left wing SJW faggots, if the indie developer is an SJW (basically, 99% of them), and if the company does some stupid shit to nickel and dime the hell out of the paying customer.

Fuck the left.

arrgh! these be words most true, matery! They be not getting a dime from me coffers, nor a shilling, nor a dinar

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I don't. I can, but I don't.
Suck it up, nancy boy.

I get free shit. Anything else I should care about?

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If it wasn't for my piracy, i would've never bought to be kind and filth on cd or hotline miami on steam, artists just love to whine because they're money hungry fucks who view piracy in black and white

You start to understand why they put Brevik in so luxurious prison when you learn shoplifting and genocide is pretty much the same thing for them.

Sometimes their publishers might lie to them tho

Source? I cant find shit with that name or reverse image search.

Yaarg ! We be sending those scurvy ridden merchants to the bottom!

being autistic should be against the law

I really don't care about justifying it.

I just not spending my money on something that I can get for free at zero risk because I'm not clinically retarded.

I'm not pirating the game. I'm merely downloading pieces of the game from a few hundred different people. Not my fault all those pieces happen to piece together an entire game!

I only play games from at least 7 years ago. If I were to buy it, it would almost certainly be a used copy. Nobody who actually worked on the game will get money when I buy it.

youtube.com/watch?v=AgdeZzhXBOc

nuttin' in the world or below the seven seas tharr be that be surpassin' one's hunt fer the most precious .iso's as he sets sail to the beat of a most fresh pirate tune!

I don't. I just do it.

I don't even seed when I finish leeching

even in her suit, samus's thighs are hot

You are the cancer.

you monster

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wew

Arrr, mutiny

I want to grab her metallic ass

The fucking ironing. I never seed because I don't owe you shit, random faggot on the internet. Don't get mat at me when you're already pirating, you can always go buy the game like a good little faggot if you don't like it that I don't seed.

People shouldn't have to justify their piracy fam.
I'm a dirty pirate and I have no shame in it, nor should I need to have any in the first place.

I don't care and I'm a half spic who grew up in spic land where everything is pirated.
so who cares.

maybe if companies made their entertainment cheaper and actually localized them properly this piracy problem wouldn't happen.

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Pirate what you want, but if nobody would translate games to Russian because of piracy, then you will have to learn English.

Unauthorized copying isn't anti-capitalist. Before the internet was widespread, a person could buy a game or program, then share that program with a friend by copying it on to a disc. All so-called "pirating" websites(filesharing websites with a focus on unauthorized copying) ought to be private I think, so that you need to know a guy on the website to get in. It would push anti-social autists to better themselves, and could help stop the spread of the malicious software found on public sharing websites.

unf

This has got to be the most retarded post ive read all month

so…. Private trackers?

I'm pretty sure there are lots of those already

This is what Demonoid was. It sucks that it's sort of dead now.

Well, obviously you haven't seen any posts by all the paid shills running around here.

I know that. What I'm suggesting is that all trackers and other copyrighted software sharing websites should be private, invite only and only allowing registration in their infancy or when member numbers dwindle.

I don't have to justify shit mate, but I do it because I'm a cheap fuck and it isn't always possible to buy the stuff I pirate anymore

Can you imagine having to be the guy who drives around the truck with the giant dragon fleshlight strapped to the back?

So only the people in the circlejerk can access what should be free to all? Nah.

How do you justify not tipping?

This is not ok

What

Regardless, I can't justify tipping because I am not your boss. Your boss is in charge of your wages, and it's not my responsibility to supplement his lack of ability to pay you properly. Convince him to pay minimum wage or get a better job.

Easy;
>AAA games aren't worth paying for because they're gonna get money regardless also AAA games are garbage not worth playing

I'll pay for a game if it has effort put into the development, a good localization or has good value.

Why does it need to be justified?

True code of the pirate:

1. Get stuff for free without any regard for the law or for anyone not part of your personal crew of scurvy dogs
2. Make/save gold by cutting out as much of the middle man as much as possible
3. Have loyalty to no one but yourself and your crew but pay them as little as they're willing to take and if they don't like it, they can walk the plank or leave
4. Use cutthroat methods to destroy competition if they aren't willing to join you
5. Owe nothin' to nobody unless they pay you.

God has made the world for the takin'!

I don't. I don't really care if it's wrong, and yet I still buy vidja for some reason.

if only you had any idea how hard you are fucked by everyday
government, media, corporations

As long as they aren't literal pirates "coming to take your toys away" like the sjws try to be, i don't give a single fuck.

See this IP, it's not real property
It doesn't suffer from any sort of scarcity
It's just privilege to allow a monopoly
That ownership leads to intellectual poverty
An unintended consequence of governmental lobbying
I'm into freedom, go ahead and copy me

Legality =/= morality.

this
fuck you too friend

Because data isn't scarce, and therefore isn't a good?
Information is safeguarded by privacy, not propriety.

A WHAT, user? DON'T LEAVE US HANGING

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_services

Data on some carrier (cd) is a good insomuch as its carrier is a good.
Provision and delivery of data (email, movie screenings in cinemas) are services.
The data itself (movie, videogame, any idea or phrase) is neither a good or a service, and can only be part of a market if artificial scarcity is introduced via laws, i.e copyright

EVERY TIME

Also fun fact, it's technically ILLEGAL to pirate abandonware

Oh you mean like how people are trying to sell video games as a service nowadays? Yeah, that's scummy as fuck.

I can't even remember the last time I even bothered pirating a video game. Honestly, maybe some RoMs or something.
If I have no intention of buying it, why would I even want to play it. Why would I even want to waste my time playing the new D00M for example?

I got TB's of pirated films, music, tv shows and especially HD pornography. For anyone outside of America, it's just so much more convenient to just pirate all the media the US produces.

It is good for trying before you buy. Problem is there's so many shitty games nobody wants to keep them.

i like you

Agreed.

What a coincidence!

Shiggyty

Im going to need to see some shekels for all that air you've been breathing goy.

I bet you pay to breathe
there are reasons IP and digital copyright are a thing but that doesn't mean they are correct or change fact
the only measure of data worth anything is data transmitted as that is currently reliant on physical and tangible solutions from internet providers, if every house had an antenna that could network universally that would lose value pretty fucking quick too
inb4

The only real justification you can have for piracy is if the normal legal channels of acquiring the product (In this case, lets keep it to games) is unavailable.
What this means is the game is no longer being produced and sold as new.
There are no other means to acquiring the game you want because the company that was producing that game have given up on it all together.
Then and only then is piracy actually ok. Not even piracy at that point because you're working in the realm of abandonware.

BTW, to cut you off at the pass here, when a game is only circulating second hand (used) be it in a store-front (like gamestop) or on ebay or whatever, that is also an ok time to pirate. In all honesty, game companies don't really honor those sales anyway and consider them just the same sort of leakage, if not worse.
Basically, when there is no way your money could actually be going to the actual holders of all the legal rights to the game, you should be pirating.

Any other time you pirate a game you're plain and simple stealing it. I have not seen any justification or argument to convince me of otherwise because they all end up as some circle jerk where the person giving the argument ultimately thinks of themselves as some sort of Robin-Hood type figure. Possibly because they just don't want to admit that in the end of the day they just don't want to pay if they don't have to.
Which is understandable.
Everybody loves free shit.
But word of advice, if you have to jump through a bunch of mental hoops and give a full gymnastic's routine to justify an action to yourself because otherwise your conscience wouldn't let you keep doing it then you should probably stop doing it. Stop doing it only for the reasons that you're clearly uncomfortable with it.

But hey, if you know full well that you're just getting the game for free because its low risk high reward and shit nobody can really stop you, and you admit that shit, all the power to you.
In fact, I respect you more for it.

nice rosy cheeks you got there, fag

its kinda sad and heartwrecking

He's right, you know.
Data can be property, and anyone who argues against that is a naive Robin-Hood type figure

Because I can.

I have not seen a single justification or argument against piracy that does not default to "BUT YOU'RE STEALING" while sales numbers 'decreases' and associated developer vitriol are proven time and time again to be nothing, or worse than nothing, a ploy for cash- the last time notable negative impacts were seen was when computing was still pretty niche
there's more of a fucking case against adblock than piracy and the courts haven't banned that
whats more, the use of the generally negative and criminal term 'piracy' for what has always just been 'file sharing' is just embarrassing
if we're talking mental hoops and gymnastics, why does it seem that "muh anti piracy" lots tend to have to jump through plenty to attack it
you can justify purchasing very easily
you can justify piracy very easily
coexistence of options and consumer choice remain a driving factor of the success of successful products and the failure of fucking awful ones

Oh look, another one of those weak as shit justifications.

You know why the only argument against piracy is "You're stealing."? Its because that's exactly what it is, plain and simple.

Here you go, you're the purple shirt here.


Just fucking get your games for free and stop trying to justify it as not stealing. Just fucking do the thing.
What's next? You going to tell me getting your dick sucked by another man isn't gay?

I'm not a faggot.

If piracy was theft, then each pirated copy would cost the publisher something, if only an opportunity cost.

I would therefore be able to singlehandedly bankrupt the fuckers by pirating enough copies of their game.
Unfortunately piracy isn't theft, and I can't fuck Zenimax up the ass.

But user, that's what I'm doing :^)

Oh, wait, coofc2 was referring to 36fdc6. My bad
I should stop shitposting drunk
Polite Sage

If you believe something to be morally wrong, then doing that something would signify poor moral character on your part.
This thread is just a discussion on why people think piracy is not morally wrong.
You don't have an obligation to justify yourself; this is an anonymous imageboard.

Yeah that's true but the labor that goes into creating that digital work is not an infinite resource.

Also, realistically, your one theft isn't going to hurt. A thousand thefts wouldn't hurt something like, lets say, Fallout 4 (since you brought up Zennimax). Wouldn't even be felt.
500,000? A million? More? Yeah that would hurt.
But things generally wouldn't get that bad because if that many people were interested in the product they are likely mostly going to get it through legal means (because many people actually aren't thieves).

So what it comes down to is that you're not purchasing the game (actually you probably have only "owned" just a couple games in your life that you may have purchased) but really just paying for the services provided to create it. That's part of the reason why you're just "licensing" the software because that's how the whole copyright and such works. Yeah, it sucks. But that's the way it is.
Technically you can make that extend to all products but on digital goods this is more especially true.

Now tell me how none of that shit matters because the laws are stupid or whatever the fuck you're going to trot out as the next thing.
Just fucking steal the games and play them or shut the fuck up and pay for them. Do one or the other but above all else stop lying to yourself about such simple bullshit.

you realize you just contradicted yourself right?
Many people still bought it, while people also pirated it. They didn't lose money and still gain a profit

if they go bankrupt that is usually their fault, never in history has a game company gone bankrupt from pirating

LOVE IS LOVE

Yet, that's exactly what is happening in this very thread.

good goy, now pay for this air

bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-07-18/venezuela-s-breathtaking-air-tax

a car can't consent. plus the privilege of man owning the car makes it rape :^)

if someone is pirating something, this usually means they weren't going to buy it in the first place but are curious about the game. So they pirate it and play it. And if they like it? They usually buy it (unless the devs are shitters then you have every right to not purchase from them). If anything piracy encourages devs to make good games or increase DRM, which only shit companies does the latter.

Its not stealing its copying, see

They aren't?

The price to replicate each copy is only the price of electricity and computing resources necessary for the process, and that's pretty much negligible.
They aren't selling their game as a product, but providing the distribution of that game as a service. I am sure that providing this service costs them money, and selling this service nets them revenue.
But there is an alternative means of distribution with negligible costs that delivers the game just as well.
Why should this service not be used?
Because the devs spent a lot of resources on the game and I owe them something for that?
That would be like a coach bitching at me for getting a car rather than buying a ride at his horse-drawn carriage because he spends all of this money on feeding his horse.

Not him

From what I can tell most people who pirated the game were never going to buy it either way either because they were always too broke or too cheap

If a game has 500,000 units shipped to retailers though, the company technically already made its money before the retailers even sold the item whether or not all those 500,000 people who bought the game at the retailer had at least one friend they gave a copy. The problem only comes when in response to the apparent success of sales, the company produces 500,000 more units and ships them to retailers but the retailers find less people buying them and the games just sit on the shelves. But either way, again, the company that produced the game already got their money for both 500k shipments, regardless of whether retailers were able to sell all of the second shipment. As this continues, the retailers order less units because each new shipment moves far less than the previous.

If piracy hurts anybody, it only hurts the middle man between the company and the consumer, that is the retailer, which is why companies are simply cutting out the middle man

But the question is is piracy a significant factor in the loss of retail sales. I'm skeptical of this because most pirates are either broke ass NEETS, ghetto kids, or cheap bastards who will put an extreme out of effort into saving a shekel, and I don't think this describes the majority of consumers who are lazy and if they have money would just buy the product instead of trying to figure out how this esoteric piracy hack magic works. I think the decline in retail sales is due a lot more than piracy.

Anti-Piracy fags and all the good-goys can fuck right off.

I'm on to you Jewmeister.

It's a thought experiment.
Same people that pirated bought it.
If the game was a tradeable good, each stolen copy would cost the publisher a sold copy's worth of revenue.
Since every buyer pirated the game prior to purchasing it, there's a stolen copy to each purchase. Therefore the losses from pirated copies would cancel out the revenue from sold copies.

This was meant to demonstrate how selling vidja is a service, rather than the game itself being a good.


Nobody's forcing anyone.
It's just a discussion. If you want to contribute you are welcome to.

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they are the worst

but most games are digital, you cant steal a digital game you usually just copy it. They don't lose anything and if the people buy it prior to pirating it because they like it, it is still full profit.

That's my point

cutest pirate

ah, for a minute i thought you where defending anti pirate fags

Me dark-skinned matey


Aye lad, that she be

It's not, making vidya is the service.
It's just like any other media, you're not paying for the paint and ink/film/data that the thing is made of, but rather to experience the media in question.

Also, anyone who says piracy=theft is a retard, and if they also aren't against leafing through a book in Barnes&Noble without paying for it, a hypocrite.
If they're against both they're a fucking Jew

Now is this whole argument on whether or not you should feel morally bad for pirating? If so, than no you shouldn't.
Not so. There is no connection between a pirated game and interest in purchasing the product. For example, watching a movie. You'll know off the bat on whether or not you'll buy the released dvd. Watching it in theater or watching at friends place will change nothing.
Technically yes. But you shouldn't feel bad about it. If its good you'll buy.
Here's a kicker. Anons are morevthsn happy to play the demos. But jewish devs/publishers want your sheckles. So they make an agenda driven claim on why demos are bad so you have no other choice than to make the "legal purchase"

Look, for all the shit that iz given about pirating vidya it is nothing more than jews making you feel guilty about making the correct choice. It's neither a morally wrong or right choice. But it's the correct choice if you want to save time and money. It's your money, not theirs.

Are you fucking serious right now? I guess you are but god damn can you stop being such a naive kid about this shit?

You know what its called when you acquire something that's for sale through means other than buying it or making it yourself? THEFT.
And really, how many can honestly say that every pirate is going to buy the game if they like it? Maybe if it has multiplayer they can't get in through pirated means. Maybe some very few might do that but I honestly have always seen it as a huge minority.
But yeah, this all also boils down to
so why bother to waste your time on them? Money can be replaced but time can't.
Oh right, you weren't going to buy it anyway. You were going to steal it.
That's fine. Just realize that's what you're doing.


that whole argument is fucking retarded.

Is that the goal here? To bombard every person who tells you the truth of the matter with all these retarded "Justifications" that are the equivalent of a kindergartner's reasoning as to why they shouldn't be in time out or why they should get an extra cookie?


Look, i'm not here to tell you to stop.
Pirate away.
Just fucking realize that you're doing something that is (petty) theft. Criminal in the most shitty and almost unfelt way but still criminal and on some level a bit morally shitty.
If you can't live with that and still pirate then maybe you should stop all together?
Because honestly, while you sit there and say the game companies are not entitled to your money you're also saying that you are entitled to free games/labor from them.

If you can't resolve this shit in your conscience without jumping through a bunch of fucking hoops, stop it. Just stop it.
If you can and don't care and just want free shit. Then go right the fuck ahead.

Also, if I might add, the retro-game market is notorious for being a market in which smaller retailers or ebay auctioners make money of conning gullible redditors selling old games for higher prices than they're actually worth and none of the money made from selling a copy of Super Metroid on SNES by the retailer even goes to the original developers or Nintendo any more or less than downloading it from emuparadise does

So I'm happy to pirate games or even buy digital copies directly from Nintendo even just to make sure people like that don't get a dime and are stuck with a bunch of cartridges they can't move.

Retro games markets don't fucking matter because they're selling shit that's second hand (if we're talking about true retro and not some indie "retro style" type of thing).
At that point, all of that is up for grabs. All your paying for is the bragging rights of owning the physical thing.
I said it before, once its abandoned by the copyright holders and it was once in circulation you're free to grab it with no moral or legal ramifications.

Be careful though, because the recent trend (especially nintendo) is to re-release these games on their own virtual consoles. This is an effort to refresh the copyright.
The way around that though is to make sure you're only grabbing the game as it was in the form they're no longer selling.
So while they may say your emulated Super Mario World on an SNES is piracy or theft because they have it on a virtual console for the wii, it is not.

Most places outside of ebay and maybe jewtendo age will shitpost the fuck out of you if you try to sell games for ebay prices
for example: gametz.com/Vintage_Games/koudelka-complete--554484.html#new

I am not paying for the production.
Production


Why don't you elaborate?

The goal is to discuss. You lay out your points, I lay out mine. Then we dig around and weigh things against each other to get closer to the truth of the biz.

What am I stealing when I pirate a game? I think if we establish that we'll have an easier time determining the moral backing of piracy.


This ^
You gotta do good.
If you're doing something you know is wrong, you're in the wrong.
If you don't know if something's right, it's time to dig in and contemplate the morality of the issue.
Man must strive for goodness.

if a law is completely unenforced, then what's the point of the law existing?

pic related its you
again its copying you retard, how am i stealing from the company when they lose nothing?
and you call me naive, see
if you are poor i understand if you don't buy it though
how do i know it is shit if I don't play it? I've had games look boring on videos but when i actually play it is alot of fun
WEW LAD
i purchase games that deserve the money, kill yourself

Too bad that Bodacious Space Pirates anime was a tedious false flag. I expected Outlaw Star but with more piracy but I got was girls being play pirate for entertainment money. Some interesting ideas and some adventure moments that I expected more of here and there but it definetly wasn't that bodacious.

ANYONE THAT DOESN'T REALIZE THIS ISN'T SHILLING IS A FUCKING RETARD

IF YOU ARE ENGAGING THE SHILLS KILL YOURSELF

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I am not paying for production itself.
Production of a piece of media is the initial investment. The creator usually carries the cost of that investment over into the price of the good/service, but it isn't the making of the game I am paying for.

I am not paying for the writer to write the manuscript, I am paying for a book. I am paying to experience the media, and the book is a means to that. The cost of the book carries the cost of the materials it took to produce it.
Now that there are other means to experience the media, the cost of it changed appropriately.

I am struggling to put this into words as I am dozing off, but I'll probably muster a writeup on propriety of ideas. In short, ideas cannot be owned, and therefore cannot be sold or stolen.


How so?
Who is shilling for what?
Are you a buzzword?

I have a question for you
What about in countries where piracy isn't a crime? Is it still stealing?

BTW, I'm not trying to justify it here, I'm genuinely curious to know your thoughts. I pirate shit all I want and if I like what I play, I usually buy the game

Sadly, yeah.

Lotta plebeian answers in here.

Anyone who would point a gun at my head and tell me I can't replicate certain data patterns for personal reasons or else they will use violence on me deserves to have their entire family drowned in acid. Every last one should be lynched and God willing shall be one day.

You have an ethical requirement to pirate any IP with a publisher that actually pays people to serve DMCAs. You would give money to people who threaten you and your family with violence? Can you explain to me how you justify that level of cuckoldry?

In my country it's not

Edgy but true on a basic level

But it's fair because he invented it first

I believe it usually legally boils down to stealing the licensing to run the software. Yeah its murky and weird but you don't ever actually own the software you buy, especially in games (FOSS games are rare as shit). You're actually just licensing the rights to operate the game. The argument is then that you've circumvented that license so piracy actually kind of runs more along the lines of copyright infringement. Which is a form of theft.


Just see above.
has been an extinct point since steam refunds became a thing.
yeah…but its a legal course of action and right now there is literally no newly released games (for PC).


In the legal technical sense, in that country, no its not stealing or a crime.
In an ethical sort of sense, yes, because at the end of the day there was still a chain of labor and services that were meant to facilitate the proper purchasing of that product.
If none of that exists for your country then don't even worry about it. Goes back to my "can't get it legally anyway" out.

I guess that's the confusion here. Legally its clear and I would really like to see many of these piratefags try to take their shitty arguments to a court of law and see if it sticks.
Morally you can play with it but honestly the only thing I give a shit about in a moral sense is that you realize that what you're doing is against the law (no matter how shitty the law) and that you shouldn't have to "justify" it to yourself if you're ok with that.

But given the shitty justifications that keep getting repeated over and over again I have to conclude that there are some moral hangups for some anons.


Listen to that canadian faggot Stephen Moleyneux huh? Sounds just like him. Pathetic.


That is the unfortunate sad state and the playing field of patent trolling. Companies will just have their engineering teams think of shit to patent and never go through with making it, wait for the next company to do so, and then slam them with the lawsuit on the patent.
Other companies will just seek to patent anything and everything they can get their hands on like with software. That's why FOSS is so important.
For the record, I don't think software is something that should be able to be patented. Software is essentially mathematical formulas which are just playing on the rules of the universe. How do you patent logic itself? It should still just be copyrighted though just like a song is copyrighted but you can't just own music itself.

Because I be a Jew Hater and ye hooknose theifs are getting none of my hard earned plunder ye harteys

Is that you? The great autist of our time? Have you returned to teach us the error of our ways? To once again try and knock out the last bit of informed decision making left in this industry?

imagine a world without copyright. embed related.


I definitely don't. Sounds like you must.

I'd love to hear about exactly which mental hoops you jump through to justify using an arbitrary threat of violence to inflate the value of a market beyond what it actually should be.

Rare pepe, do not reproduce or we will have courts force your ISP to reveal your identity and thugs break down your door.

I'm not going to say piracy isn't theft. I just argue it's not the worst form of theft and in some cases can be morally justifiable even if not legally so.

A true pirate takes some pride in being a thief.

Piracy isn't informed decision making its just getting shit for free.


He was brought to my attention by a friend. I listened to a few things. The language you're using sounds just like his rhetoric. Libertarian faggot that makes an argument about the moral wrong of taxes like you are for people wanting money for their work. Same language in equating law enforcement to violence, etc etc.

There are no mental hoops. In the USA its illegal. that's it. I also have no moral qualms against it either. But when I do engage in piracy (rare these days, if at all) I have no hangups about what it is i'm doing. Id on't need to justify it to myself as if I'm doing no wrong because of shitty little kid notions like information should be free, or its copying not theft, or the big corporations are all greedy shitters anyway.
I don't need that because i'm not bothered by my own actions in these regards.


This guy gets it.

Maybe if you're the kind of faggot who abuses the ability to look through books in bookstores.

This.
Too many faggots here trying to justify doing something illegal, albeit extremely minor to the point where they don't have to justify, just so they don't feel the slightest of guilt.

Because God knows they are perfect in every sense of the word. :^)

It is you! You can break your record, I believe in you!

gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy

“Piracy”

Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”

A US judge, presiding over a trial for copyright infringement, recognized that “piracy” and “theft” are smear words.

No. The equivalent would be taking pictures of each page of a book while in the book store and then walking out with the excuse "Well I wasn't going to buy it anyway.".
If you're referring to the lack of demos situation I still say you have your solution in steam. If you don't play a game past 2 hours you can get a refund. I think it goes right to the steam wallet but just consider that your demo pile.
Although that system does suck and they really should provide real demos.


I can't disagree with that. It is a smear word but it is unfortunately the most common term. I like to think that after using a term enough to describe something really petty and nothing like the original connotation you cheapen it and make it useless as a smear/scare anyway.
Kind of like what's been done with "rape" ;)

But I like being called a pirate

if we ever figure out how to endlessly duplicate food and redistribute it anywhere, like copying computer data, would that be considered wrong?

depends
raw materials or meals?
are the duplicates perfect?

If Monsanto has their way, then yes, it would be illegal. And it already is. Farmers in the US that grow Monsanto plants aren't allowed to take and grow the seeds themselves; they are beholden to Monsanto to buy more. Shit's fucked.

Samus is Prime below the hips.

Well, that depends on the food. A generic foodstuff that's freely available to be copied? Certainly not. A very specific brand of foodstuff with a trademark flavor or style, say Pop-Tarts or Count Chocula? Then you'd have a problem.

Admittedly, there ARE generic brands that copy off of the style of trademark brands, which, if food were free, might be what'd be legal to replicate. It's probably also taste like ass, because it's free.

The problem with this analogy, and any similar analogy like downloading a car, is video games are very SPECIFIC things. If you just say 'a car', you're being generic, and it could mean anything; if you say 'a 2016 Honda CR-V', then you'd have Honda on your ass for taking their specific build. There's plenty of free video games for you to download and enjoy, and getting those ain't no problem; it's when you take specific video games that're being sold, that the companies have a price on and have a potential loss for any copies that're handed out without obtaining the set payment for the product, that you cross into legitimate threat software piracy (which i'd call thievery but then the pedantic terminology squad would come around hooting and hollering).

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I almost wasted $80 on Anno 2205.
I almost did that.
I had my hand on the fucking purchase button.
But the shred of doubt crept into my mind
I told myself no, they wouldn't do that.
They know what EA did to sim city.
They also have to have learned and honed the craft of making an Anno game.
I filled out that survey even telling them what I liked and disliked with Anno 2070.
There is no way they could fuck it up.

I waited 3 days.
Got it.
Played it.
They fucked up.
They fucked up hard!
They didn't learn a god damn fucking thing from EA.
They didn't hone the craft.
They didn't read the survey they asked to fill out.
They made the maps smaller.
They shoe-horned the cross pollination shit from Cities.
They made resource fields more basic and casual.
They made everything more casual.

With half of that $40 I bought the Majora's Mask remake thinking I didn't need to look into that and somehow Nintendo managed to piss into my eyes by making everything in the game more goofy, neon and kid friendly in a game that was supposed to be dower personified.
Still a better purchase than the DLC riddled filth Ubishit tried to sell me.

I am entitled to try before and I'm also entitled to buy only things I liked.

I kinda wish nudoom wasn't dednuvo'd.

whats it called when i go to a keymaker to get a replacement key made?
a copy, piracy is a loaded term and doesn't apply to computer files. nothing is lost in the process.

That depends.
If we ever figure out how to endlessly duplicate money and redistribute it anywhere, like copying computer data, would that be considered wrong?
yes it is

SMH FAM

I don't.

I get a kick out of having games on steam. Only when I started using steam did I ever actually get legit copies of vidya so it's just a thing with me. Plus games cost way, way too much here. Ignoring currency conversions, a game will cost up to what would be 120$ for an everyday burg. I sometimes pirate games that I know are completely utterly shit or I just don't buy them. Unless FO4 is 90% off, I ain't touching that, as an example.

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There are three things I pirate:

1. old stuff that's for obsolete systems but is way too much at retailers selling used goods
2. stuff I wanted but didn't really value enough to buy anyway (at least not at first) but just wanted to play so I wasn't out of the loop or to see if I liked it
3. stuff I'd rather pay for new when it comes out in order to support the developers I think deserve it, but just can't because of my financial situation

I don't pretend like I'm not stealing though but I don't steal from anyone who I think can't take the heat. As far as I'm concerned, piracy has always been an integral part of the market.

Let's say a bunch of Nintendo employees with silent consent from the heads of the company payed off coast guards so a group of yakuza smugglers could swipe a shipment of Sony products. The smugglers keep some of the products for their own personal use or enjoyment, sell the rest to local retailers who have no scruples with buying cheaper stolen goods which they can sell for less than their competition. They give some of their lower level employees some "gifts" to keep their mouth shut too. The smugglers take the earnings from these sales and give the Nintendo employees their share which they pocket for themselves or for Nintendo and Sony makes nothing. Sony realizes this and decides to hire their own smugglers from a different yakuza gang to get them back. That's piracy. It's not "le proletariat uprising", it's just good ol' fashioned competitive criminal market economics.

It's a terrible world we live in.

im just gonna pirate this ham

By pirating more games and getting more dubs


Shit sucks anyways, i wouldn't even bother

But an0n, killing you is not immoral. I said so, so it must be true!

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It used to be I wasn't going to buy it anwsy but since denuvo I bought games I would have pirated if I could.

So I guess the real reason is cause it's easy, denuvo made me realises that I wouldn't buy it anyway was a lie I told myself.

magnet pls


i should reconsider suicide

exhentai.org/g/933413/9ee737e3d1/

Rebis

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I just wish people would stop circumventing the obvious issue of taking(copying) a product made for sale without compensating the creator and just say "I want free shit."

You're not a moral crusader, you're just greedy and want something without paying. It's understandable, especially in this economy. Doesn't make it right.

This feels like bait
There are other reasons to pirate shit but your only looking at one specific reason
I pirate all my games before i purchase them (only if they're good)
i just want to give you an idea about the games that would've gotten money from me if i didnt pirate them first
> C&C 4

Everyone one of these games i didnt finish and put around 10 minutes into actual gameplay by average

except mass effect 3, wholly fucking shit how bad was that quality?, those fucking textures were lazy and all the way to the end too

Now considering all the other games that i have downloaded i have payed for at some point or another, except for Vampire the masquerade bloodlines, that i could only get at retail the nearest retail shop was like 120km down the road and fuck steam with my internet, it took me a whole week to get it

Still none of the money actually went to the developers any way even if i bought it

Thats my justification and I'm pretty sure there are millions of others in the grey who you will just ignore to pander to your own beliefs that anyone who pirates is greedy and people like bioware or Steam are innocent victims and dindu nuthin

fuck im tired

I want free shit
I'll pay for sony vegas if they charge an appropriate price for it and stop suing open source alternatives into the ground.

"Ruining" beloved franchises and making shit games is deplorable, but it's not a crime.

Piracy is both deplorable and a crime.


The elves called. They want you as their fag king.

WHY
HAVEN'T
YOU
BOUGHT
FO4

This is your line of thinking, and it makes you look like a retard.

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This can be summarized into:

I dont think you've chosen the moral high ground here user

I mostly pirate because I'm pretty much a poorfag by USA/Western EU standards. When I do buy games, it's mostly for convenience sake - I only buy games from steam when they're 75% off or more, and if the games in question are complete editions or something similar (like the recent DoW Complete sale).

Plus, I have been pirating games since I was 9, so it feels good when I actually buy something with money I earned. Not having to deal with updates, patches and such is just a bonus. Not that I don't know my way around the torrents, but the way I see it I pay ~5e convenience fee to have my shit up to date and neatly tucked away in the library.

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I didn't tell you to play it retard

BUT WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING FO4 NOW?!? IT'S GOTYAYO AREN'T YOU INTERESTED IT IS RATED 100/10 BY IGN BUY IT NOW AND YOU MIGHT GET THE DLC FOR 1% OFF

Hey guys I just pirated Todd Howard

DON'T TOUCH MY FACE IT'S NOT FOR SALE

pirated

I'm a NEET and am jaded enough that I find it really difficult to empathize with anyone who hasn't been royally fucked over in life. It's not really a concern of mine if they don't meet some quota for a bonus or whatever, they'll be more than fine.

You commit 3 felonies a day just by going about your average daily life. If the gestapo want to lock you up, they will.

WAIT, YOUR COUNTRY HAS A LAW "THOU SHALL NOT FUCK CARS"?

ayy

He clearly lives in a nightmarish country.

(dubs)
yes you faggot, read

Here's some mods

how many times did we have the same fucking thread

Civil law not criminal law.

Besides it is a


that nobody, including the authorities, care about.

Justify lack of demo versions first.

video games are art

all art should be free

you only pay for the hardware

in a perfect world, intel, amd, nvidia, would finance all games

nice world you have there pinko

>>>Holla Forums

Art is free?, where can I get my free Picasso.

Games wouldnt be 1/10 as expensive to develop if they were trying to develop games nowadays

If you are a gamedev\artfag that got into this because of money, fuck you, this should be like a hobby to you

b-but user-kun i'm immoral

Plus if someone is going to stop me from commiting crimes piracy won't be their wake up call

i want to cum inside crotch ninja while the pirate qt belittles me

Just print it

I have no printer, ink or paper, I want my free Picasso, I wan't it paint on a canvas too.

It's not free if I have to pay to get it.

Nope.

You arent paying for it tough, are you that dense kid?

I am, I want my free art, where can I write to so get my free Picasso

It's shit

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Games are information

information should be free

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I don't. I just do.

what?

Scientific knowledge must be free for the simple reason that we, as a species only have to gain with it being wide spread. But games are products, just as romance books, music, movies, toys. Nothing against pirating, but they don't have to be free.

But I will give you some free music, here, take it to you home and play it.

Private enterprise is illegal in socialist countries such as Nork and Chinkland, as well as USSR of yore.

How could you justify owning a store if it is illegal in these countries? Would you do that just so you don't feel the slightest of guilt, because God knows you are perfect in every sense of the word?

Conflation of legality and morality is a meme, and you are a memer

well it is summer finally

The same way publishers justify anticonsumer practicies

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Not only that. We already saw companies changing games years post launch because of some stupid contracts, fucking owners of such games.
Never ever buy a Rockstar game, its super stupid.

If you don't want to discuss it, don't.
This is a free imageboard.
If a topic that more people on this board would find interesting and worthy of discussion surfaced, this thread would drop off and die.

By simply not caring.

I guess my point really was that any attempt to copyright games will fail. Games are products so we definitely have the incentive to reward the creators, but legal repurcussions against any piracy is unjust.

I always try before I buy.
I've also blacklisted a few companies from ever getting my shekels, so I just pirate their games if I feel remotely interested in playing them.

Production costs aren't my problem as the end user and games have stupidly exaggerated production budgets these days (Look at anything AAA).
Some of the best albums made by musical artists were done on the cheap, not in a giant gold plated studio.
I don't make them the exception either, I think they should only get paid for live performances.
If you chose a career that's built on a foundation of sand (digital content that is infinitely redistributable) that's not my problem, plenty of people that have serious professions that aren't related to entertainment have been thrown under the bus, nobody gave a shit about them either.

The problem is that it isn't the game / music / what have you being sold, but the access to them; a license, a service.
In fact, media cannot be sold as a product.
Access to it can be, via physical carriers, physical performances/screnings, or digital access.
It's this last method that I take issue with.

I know why I am paying for a movie ticket, it's the big screen the popcorn et all.
I know why some hipster is paying for a vinyl of his favourite ambient indie funk album of the month.
But I have no idea why I should pay to download a fucking file when I could get the same file for free, considering the fact that I am not paying for the file itself (it's fucking free, the economic cost of producing each instance of it is negligible) but for the privilege of downloading it.

And god fucking forbid if I am supposed to pay for the great honor of using what I have downloaded, via a license or whatever.
Software/entertainment as a service is such a shit business practice, I can't believe some retards would think it would be profitable.

summer isn't just a meme

Also devs don't get paid based on how well the game does, they get paid a straight paycheck, which is part of the budget AHEAD of time, which means them getting paid is guarunteed and they'll get paid the same amount as well.

It's the PUBLISHERS who rely on the sales for their money.

And no one, i mean NO ONE likes those fucks because they're responsible for so much shit.

Unless the devs are indie, then it actually matters, but all AAA devs get paid a paycheck.

Shit, they spread that lie about devs not getting paid because of shit sales, but it's really them since they're in control of the budget and they dole out the cash.

Yeah, developers will definitely work hard to create vidya if everyone can play it without paying. Makes sense if you're fucking retarded, that is

I've seen many a thread derailed from its OP so far off that it would read like a completely different thread by its end.

The OP can be complete trash, but if the stuff in the body of the thread is good, so is the thread overall.

To be fair, good sales technically show the publisher that it was a good move to let the studio work on that IP, so they may invest in them to make more. Technically.
We all know how good job security really is in the industry.

oh yes, this only ever happens during summer
I fucking hate summer because of fags shouting "summer", not because the board magically becomes shittier

It's all out of fucking wack.
In publishers minds, you absolutely need to be on par with other AAA in terms of production values, otherwise the game will flop.
This racks the development costs skyhigh.
With such a huge investment, publishers want to play it safe and make what's popular right now.
As a result we get tons and tons of games that have bland samey mechanics and are broken on release.
At the same time, this depreciates the benefits of having distinct development teams.
Publishers therefore think it is best to absorb devs into a giant blob that will churn out bland samey broken shit the fastest.
Large portion of the budget just goes into marketing wholesale.

Welcome to capitalism, goy. Enjoy all the fine products at the expense of humanity's future!

This

??
How are bad games undermining humanity's future?

user, you ARE the SJW.

Not only is this a lie, but it's stupid how you thieves try to pretend it's some righteous act. Would you steal a car from a dealership if you didn't like the manufacturer?

The air we breathe daily isn't man made.

Noone said it was, nice strawman

People call anyone a SJW for all the fucking wrong reasons, just like SJWs call anything they don't like mysoginistic/sexist/rapist.

Stop being fucking retarded, that user being somewhat of a commie doesn't make him a SJW, at worst it makes him a bernie fag.

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What is there to justify?

if their product is shit, then they don't.

How is that SJW? it's basic logic.

SJWs are mainly commies, but not all commies are SJWs.
Don't go around calling socialist/commies/anti-capitalist SJWs, it makes you no better than them.

You're making the same mistake SJWs are doing of calling vidya gamers MRAs or whatever.

1) 90% the people that pirate a game would not buy it if they couldn't buy it anyway. The reason they pirate it is because it's free and they have nothing to do.

2) Today's video games suck. They suck so much, I have no idea why Holla Forums is such a famous board, probably many teenagers. Video games are horrible. Demos aren't the norm anymore. You don't want to waste 60-80 bucks on something that's probably terrible unlike you are an idiot and don't know how to manage your finances. If a game is really fucking good, you can still buy it and support the developer.

3) The PC player base is treated like second class customers by many developers. Rockstar Games, for example, release GTA on PC one year after it was released on consoles. Ubisoft games are nearly unplayable, Watch Dogs, for example, which looks worse than GTA V and has less assets being streamed can't be played with a constant framerate. Then there are Japanese developers that release completely unpolished games like Dark Souls 1 which didn't even let you adjust the resolution or One Piece which has the graphics of the Vita version instead of the PS4 version advertised with PS4 screenshots on Steam.

4) The police barely cares. Really. They are way more about (modern) Hollywood movies. The police already took my PC for several months. Didn't have anything to do with piracy, however, I got into trouble because of my movies while they didn't care at all about my games.

5) I'm not particularly rich at the moment so I don't really have a choice.

This threads confirmed my thoughts on this, btw. All those meme pictures and dumb one-liners. Also all those "Todd Howard" pictures posted by all those mainstream Fallout children, Fallout, a franchise so terrible that you wouldn't even care about it if you aren't a manchild have a >80 IQ.

Then don't buy it, faggot.


If the product is shit, then why would you even want to to play it even for free?


You never win with this board.

You often can't tell beforehand if something is shit.

Is boycotting communist now?

Data cannot be sold or stolen because it cannot be owned. A videogame can't be a product. Videogame companies aren't selling games, just access to them.
It's not the product I am paying for, but the means of getting it. And there are better, cheaper means.

The conundrum is about media producers bitching and moaning about digital distribution, creating laws to control it and to introduce artificial scarcity.
Like a telegraph company lobbying the government to ban cellphones because they are driving them out of business.

I would absolutely "steal" a car from a dealership if the act of stealing created an identical copy of the car leaving the original in that dealership.


It isn't.
But it is physical, and therefore it is possible for it to be scarce, and therefore it is possible for it to be a tradeable good.

Say, a massive spacestation/colony with several businesses that make their money producing and selling oxygen to people.

But under no imaginable circumstances is data itself a scarce good. It simply cannot be sold. you can sell a rose, but not the concept of a rose. You can sell a vidja cd, but not a videogame iso. You can sell access to a videogame iso, but why would you fucking bother, when anyone with an iso has the same means of distribution as you and can set their price? And with the cost of replicating an iso being zero, the massive supply will inevitably drive the price of access to it to zero.
Same with all data.

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You can't just not pay for something because you're not sure. That's like going to a restaurant, ordering something you haven't tried before, but then refusing to pay for it because you might not like it.

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It's more like going to a restaurant, ordering something you haven't tried before, magically creating a copy of it at no expense to the restaurant itself, trying it and then refusing to pay for it, having not liked it enough to warrant the price.


If a company is selling a game as a product, then each copy of that game that was not paid for would incur a (if only an economic) loss to that company.
I would be able to bancrupt them by pirating their games enough times.

I'm not giving money to a place that serves shitty food.

Especially if the place serves shitty food and expects me to give them money for it BEFORE you eat it.

Fast food's in business because they don't serve literal shit and the food they serve is good enough to eat.

Not in this case.

How are you supposed to tear down faggots who use the sour grapes argument then?


It's actually more like looking through the menu at a restaurant, seeing a dish, magically getting it at no cost to the restaurant, then not ordering it because it tasted like shit.

Also this. Had to resort to piracy since my version of GTA San Andreas on Steam got updated with the bastardized version missing most of the good songs and refusing to run in higher resolution.

Listen bud, you got a product that was meant to be paid for to get. You didn't pay for, nor was it bought legally and given to you by s friend or relative. There's no point in desperately trying to justify your actions. It's stealing. That's all there is to it.

Who said it was shitty? I just said it was food you didn't like. I don't like tomatos or cucumbers. Does that mean a restaurant that serves dishes the contain tomato and/or cucumber are serving shitty food?

Yeah, there's kinda a reason why a game that doesn't sell enough copies flops.


Elaborate please?

Don't know why you are even bothering user. You are trying to convince a group of people who have been lifelong worthless leeches on society to not be leeches. NEETs, autism bux collectors, basement dwellers, welfare recipients, and so forth. They aren't going to change because they can't. Being a parasite on society is all they know.

Just pirate your shit and move on. These threads are pointless.

if I ordered a hamburger and they gave me snails on a fucking plate, not paying.

This is really so common everywhere! It's standard stuff in industries like movies and things like that. But now, the big difference is the fact that we have to deal with it, and we can't really bargain anything. We accept, or we give up, or hell, we pirate it.

License is common stuff really, what we should really fight is for better deals.

And that's why Steam is massively successful. It have great deals.

But there is plenty of room for improvement, like, changing licenses between users. That is an important thing to achieve.

I guess I'm just too naive to expect anything other than the general Holla Forums popular opinion to be accepted in conversation. My fault for even trying to reason with them.

I rarely pirate niché games like JRPGs. Those need every sale and they deserve it.

But triple A trash or games older than 2 years are fair game.

They aren't. Remember that Holla Forums treats vidya as the most important thing in the world.

Then tell me, why should I buy and support garbage kike?

Actually this is an argument in favour of piracy.

It is what the Romans did: give the population free bread and games.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck about society, I'm just here on holiday.

The irony of this is too good.

That's not a valid reason kike.

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Are you admitting you pirate games or something schizoid

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I'm not the one saying I pirate videogames.

Neither am I, you illiterate moron. Goodbye faggola.

Are you seriously retarded? It takes time to make money you dumb shit.

Let the door hit you on the way out

Poorfag.

The money I make goes to things like food and bills. When you're scrapping by, cutting entertainment spending comes first.

Suppose I pirated Morrowind three times from three different trackers. Have I stolen three products?


I really don't think it will last.
I can see it happening for several decades, while copyright law is being reformed and relaxed. Then it will just be ads and kikestarter/patreon or choose your own price kind of model for software and media.


Well you are a pogon litwin, son of a whore and a goat. I bet my ass you work in a synagogue to argue such things, and you smell nasty and have a pedostache.

How about that argument in favor of my point.


I don't even know what the fuck happened here.

Goddamn sometimes being alive is almost worth it. Almost.

Are you retarded?
Most people will trend towards making more money per interval of time as their life goes on, even above inflation and whatever. Some at a more rapid pace than others.
But the time intervals are going to be constant.
Money is also a replaceable resource. You lose some money you can always get some back, if not more of it.
Time is just constantly drained away from your lifespan. You can't ever replenish it.

Now, money has its value tied to your time (after all, it did take a time investment to acquire this tool of trade) but my question to you is why would I ever want to waste my time, a constantly dwindling resource, where I would never even consider wasting my money, which is a resource that can be replenished?

See, there's always this argument that pops up where the pirate says things along the lines of not wanting to give companies money for shitty games not wanting to waste their money on games they are going to hate, not wanting to give a company money because they did X or Y to a new entry in a game series and that's just unforgivable, etc etc.
So then why waste your TIME?
If you knew these games were going to be so bad, so shitty, and that you'd ultimately dislike them, why waste your TIME on them?
See, for me, if i'm not willing to even throw a dollar in the direction of a video game for sale then why would I even bother to throw my time anywhere near it? Why would someone spend their few precious hours in a day to play a game on a game that they don't like and consider shitty? Because it was free and easy to acquire and you didn't have to pay for it?

You know what that is?
You consider your time so worthless that something that is by your own admission is a shit sandwich will be completely acceptable to choke down simply because you were able to acquire it for free rather than pay for it. By the way, that's generally a sign of addiction.
Or maybe its a much simpler answer. You just want free shit and you can get this game for free with near zero chance of consequences and only the most minor of inconveniences so you go ahead and do it.

I mean really, I don't know the appeal of the first scenario (even though I see it so many times from faggots) because admitting to the second means that yeah, you're admitting to doing something wrong (as petty and dumb that wrong is) for personal gain but its far better than what the first scenario gives you. The first scenario just makes you look like a poor addicted piece of shit at worst and at best some deluded man-babby who thinks they're really "sticking it to the man" by stealing a video game.

What is occurring is copying of digital information. There is no theft, the developer does not lose anything if I copy the info he has, he still has the info.

You can, at best, paint this "crime" as illegal copying.

And it will do so likely on it's own merits.

In the end, there are people who won't pay for a game. Unless you can prove the majority of cases are "I would have bought it if I couldn't pirate it" then there's no way to prove that any pirating done even equates to a lost sale.

it goes something like this

HOW CAN YOU SAY IT'S SHIT YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED IT

LOL YOU'RE PROBABLY JUST TOO POOR TO AFFORD IT

LOL YOU'RE JUST A HATER/TROLL WHO HAS NEVER PLAYED IT

Your question is illogical, what kind of person wastes their time downloading something they dont want?

I do it to see if its a good game, If i already know its a bad game i dont pirate it

The only people i know who pirate shit even though they hate it are the kind of people who Pirate games over 100 times to spite the companies who destroyed their childhoods

They're a rarity and are not even close to representing the majority of pirates who download due to lack of funds and other socioeconomic issues and cant waste there money on games they dont want to play

Honestly the amount of people who pirate would drastically decrease if reviewers would cease taking bribes and pushing ideological issues and political correctness

If reviewers would become more honest and objective then maybe we might nit have to take testing into our own hands

Regardless, thats just my opinion and whilst there are plenty who agree with me, its not all pirates

Also you should stop posting, you've been baiting this entire thread and ignoring anyone who has actually answered these questions

What baiting? What ignoring?
People answer me and I answer back. Fuck, through most of it i've been kind enough to predict their arguments for them.

But of COURSE my question is illogical because the excuses I've heard that cause that question are equally illogical. I laid it all out there too. That was kind of the whole point.

Look, so far we've been over every single excuse and it all comes back to one thing.
In the united states and in many other countries it is illegal to pirate software. It constitutes a form of copyright infringement as a violation on the terms required to license the software for your own use.

Every single "justificiation" falls hollow and by the wayside in the face of the simple fact that people just want free shit. If they couldn't get it for free they may not be inclined to get it at all and one user already admitted to ending up just buying games because of Denuvo.
The bullshit of "if its good i'll buy it" are rare occurrences and usually are because the multiplayer can't be cracked into working.
Or someone is tired of having to update their cracks with game DLC/patches and just decide to make it all easier.

Look, I don't have any moral hangups about it. It is a petty theft at the very best and the worse that happens when getting caught with a pirated copy of a game is that maybe you can't use the multiplayer servers (if they exist) or there is some in-built protection. With the Ghostbusters game it was shrinking hitboxes to the point where certain enemies were just impossible to fight.

The only thing I really dislike is when people lie to themselves and others about their motives either out of guilt or maybe some delusion that they are somehow fighting corporate greed in all the various forms it takes. Because as others have pointed out, you can't take a sale away that wasn't going to happen in the first place and unlike stealing a car or maybe something from the grocery store, you're not depriving other people from their ability to make that purchase if they wanted to.
Even beyond that, for much that gets pirated, you could actually steal physical copies in the same numbers and you wouldn't hurt anything other than perhaps the local stores that had to make that physical copy sale. The devs and publishers don't feel it at all.

One last thing, i'm actually pro-pirate. Its a scene that the gaming community needs because to effectively pirate things you have to have someone, somewhere, willing to reverse engineer the copy protection and other aspects of the software. We need people who are sharpening their skills on that front because we need to be able to run these games, eventually, on emulated multiplayer servers or private multiplayer servers if we want to preserve them because like it or not, games are just becoming more and more integrated with multiplayer aspects.

who can possibly this this fucking retarded?

nvm, i can almost taste the sarcasm in this post
user you shouldn't believe obvious bait
Denuvo isnt going to be cracked because no one wants to crack it, the most popular game that it has is that shitty Kikedogs game that they intentionally made shit fir pc to get more sales on consoles

Eh fuck it. All arguments have been gone over and it just keeps running in circles.
People want to delude themselves into thinking what they're doing is anything but some petty theft and they're only doing it because they can get free shit for near zero consequence then so be it.

No matter how many examples to the contrary and logical reasons as to why the excuses are just that, excuses and delusions, it won't change anybody's mind. People like to lie to themselves and escape reality even if its as petty and retarded as something like this.

Its like trying to tell a hamplanet tumblrite that they're not actually healthy and that their fatness is their fucking fault. The excuses just mount and mount and you eventually realize that they just can't admit to themselves that they're lazy and have poor self control because they are incapable of introspection or they just don't want to have to deal with the feelings of admitting what they know is true.

Whatever.

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Could not resist making some edits, sorry.

On the topic though: I think there's something wrong when a computer game can cost 100 epoors, or more in some countries. Remember when digital distribution was promised to make games cheaper? What ever happened to that?

There is insane amounts of money moving in the gaming market. And someone is raking in the money - it doesn't seem to be the devs, so where the hell are all the profits going?