Was collectivization necessary? If so, why?

Was collectivization necessary? If so, why?

What did Soviet agriculture look like immediately after Lenin's death?

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Yes.
The reduced population was necessary to raise standards of living out of the poverty trap.

No it wasn't and the ten bazillion deaths caused by commie idiocy would have been avoided if they stuck with the NEP.

Dorothea Jauernig (D.J.): You lived with your family in the country at the time of collectivization. How have you experienced the collectivization? How do you see it today?

Alexander Zinoviev (A.S.): We need to distinguish two different pages in my position. My personal attitude to various events and the results of my scientific work. Our village has disappeared completely. If we consider only the collectivization of this point of view, then one can say that collectivization was a crime or an error. But you have to pull the whole situation in the country into consideration. The industry needed workers. The country needed not only working, it took doctors, teachers, engineers, officers, etc. Without collectivisation it would have been impossible to get so many people for the development of the country. We have lost everything in the country. And our family has left the country. But I became a professor. My brother was Colonel. My older brother director of a factory. Another of my brothers were engineers, etc. Many millions of Russian families have been through a development. For many millions of families therefore the revolution had our revolution. The Stalinist period was of course a great tragedy. But these years were also the best years in Soviet history. You can not understand in what living conditions we lived. Our family lived in a room of 10 square meters. And in this room we lived to eight, sometimes ten men. And we were happy. Why? We visited the school. Everything was for us, the whole culture was open to us.

Another side: Any claim that the productivity of collective farms very low and private plots of production was much higher. That's a lie. Those who say that making a false comparison. Take, for example, a small parcel and say: Look, on this parcel working woman or two and sell them so much and vegetables, etc. But on the kolkhoz work 300 people. Now they are investigating how these people work on the small parcel, how many forces they need on the small plot. In the kolkhoz living conditions were much easier, shorter hours, and especially as the main result: The state has to get enough bread. Without collective farms that would be impossible.

D.J .: Collectivization is often referred to herein as a crime of Stalin.

A.S .: I am against collectivization. My family suffered. But as a scientist I have to say that was the only way for the country to survive. If Stalin had not carried out this policy, then the country would have been destroyed during the war immediately. And the industrialization and even these reprisals were inevitable.

Consider the present situation in the Soviet Union, trying to restore order without arrests, that is impossible. Already many are arrested and are more and more. At Stalin's time the situation in Russia was worse.

It is to assert a false ideology: All people were innocent and only the evil man Stalin and some nasty people raping everyone. That is a lie, an ideological lie. It was a struggle for survival, life and death.

It is perhaps the greatest injustice in the history when Stalin is so maligned - particularly bad it looks when Soviet people forget their own great story. In Russian history, these years were the greatest years ever

I repeat, I am not a communist. I criticized communism since my youth. I have always been anti-Stalinist. But now I am an old man, I will not lie in my lifetime.

Why so many people hate Stalin and the Soviet Union at all? Because the development of this country was tremendously fast, exceptionally fast. All capitalist countries were afraid. They were convinced that this system could be fought everywhere. And since the war against communism began. The II.Weltkrieg was against the Soviet Union. The West has Hitler directed against the Soviet Union. That was not Hitler alone. Now say all, Stalin was to blame. This is also an ideological lie. Practically the West was to blame for this war. The West has done everything to direct Hitler against the Soviet Union. Before the war, after the war and during the war.

The development of the Soviet Union today is a result not only of internal development, but also a result of the relations between the Soviet Union and the West. The Cold War was a real war, no less than the II.Weltkrieg. The Soviet Union was defeated. This situation is not simply the crisis of communism. This is the destruction of communism, from the inside, but from outside too.

I think the main cause is the betrayal of bureaucrats led Khrushchev. He destroyed the ideology and gradually the economy of socialism. There was a change of government, namely the rule of the working class to the rule of the bureaucracy as a new capitalist class.

D.J .: But another question: Are you working for a long time at the University of Moscow. How was teaching at the universities in the 50s and how was it later? Is it true that the Marxist-Leninists were kicked out in the 70s from the universities, as we were told in Moscow?

A.S .: The development was complex. On one hand, the ideological work was under Suslov (he was responsible for ideology under Brezhnev, the Red.) Enormously strong. But was also the Soviet ideology, leaving the Marxist basis. Formally, the Soviet ideology was Marxist-Leninist. Only in words, statements, etc. But in fact the Soviet ideology had lost its Marxist-Leninist basis. And that was one of the conditions of the present crisis.

D.J .: How do you understand this - one of the conditions of the present crisis?

A.S .: Back in the 60s there was the crisis. She began not in the economy but first in the ideology and the moral condition of the higher layers. As they say in Russian: A fish begins to stink at the head.

But at the present situation in the Soviet Union are the people like Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Sobchak so guilty. This is a result of their activities. They are criminals. I am sure that the future generations will condemn these people mercilessly.

This Perestroika people have now only worried about their own skins. You have betrayed our country and our people. If it is possible to retain their position, they are willing to sell the land. In practice, they play the role of a fifth column of the West.

I am not a communist. I say this only as a scientist. This is the result of my research.

D.J .: Thank you for the interview

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it's always amusing to read NEP apologists who don't know shit about NEP

they don't know about crises of 25 and 27

they don't know that SU tried to industrialize in the conditions of NEP, and failed to do so greatly

they don't know that critics of the economic policy like Kondratief argued that if you want economy without crises you need to abolish plans for rapid industrializaton

How would you suggest that they should industrialize themselves without collectivization?

They planned to stuck with the NEP and Stalin announced in the Sixteenth Party Conference that only a fifth of rural property would be collectivized and that private farms would remain the rule. It was the circumstances of what was virtually a civil war that changed this path.

just fuck off

What the actual hell are you doing?

lol