Seeing trump talk a lot about nationalism, so what was there before the elite bourgeois injected nationalism in people...

Americans shouldn't be allowed to interview people.
Or talk really.

Get out

Why can't Holla Forums understand that the average member of the proletariat has more of an inherent national consciousness than class consciousness? Most of you are upper and upper-middle class people engaging in Imperialism on the actual working people by pushing your idea of how you think that they should think and behave onto them. Also Nationalism mainly popped up in 1848 as a people's movement against Bourgeois Internationalist Royalty who were so interbred that they basically formed a singular Bourgeois ruling class.

Holla Forums you are the Bourgeois Imperialists who do the bidding of globalist capitalists while us Holla Forumsacks advocate for the actual interests of the people.

You mean interests of one race, a minority even, of people?

Even then, class collaboration is literally porky's wet dream.

Fuck off.

"(You)''

Dividing people based purely on wealth is an artificial, materialistic, and utterly soulless lens to view the world through. You ultimately make the same mistake as "porky" by viewing life purely through a material lens. There is far FAR more to life than money like a loving family, high art/culture, the pleasure of walking through a city of beautiful architecture that uplifts you, the sense of belonging that you feel when you live with your own people and have a high culture to call your own. You utterly fail to understand human nature and because you either can't grasp it intuitively or even understand/accept the basics you so arrogantly completely dismiss the concept altogether because you can't completely and utterly define human nature from a scientific perspective .

I and the vast majority of working class white Americans have more in common with Donald Trump than Donald Trump has with the rest of his class because the majority of the Billionaire club don't genuinely love or care about their families but rather sees them purely as his legacy or he just doesn't give a fuck at all. That's why most Billionaire kids grew up miserable wrecks and i'd rather have my life than theirs.

Yes inequality is a huge problem and we need to expand the middle class but both you faggots and "porky" see money and/or acquisition as the most important things in life. Rather than a happy family life, having a sense of belonging with your distinct people, genuine self betterment, and actual creativity.

What you arrogant little shits will never understand or accept is that from the perspective of the actual working people you have more in common with "porky" than you do with them.

Avg. prole also has more suburban, state, and cultural consciousness, but they're also normalfaggots who trust MSM when they want to.
Non-coercive politics gets nobody anywhere, you have to 'redpill' normalfaggots to survive, ideas are virulent, this is where the concept of a meme was born.
Because royals and their pet porkies had a shitfling that still echoes in today's conflicts.
If there was one international government, then global capitalists / corporations [bodies of people] who succeed would succeed greater than they do now, but if they fail, they fail hard. Pseudoglobalism is what we have now, with the IMF, the U.N., world bank .etc
If you're a porky with links (family, culture, ethnicity, nation), you can get rich by asking for a helping hand.

no shit
povos and deros hate anyone further left than pinkos, not only out of annoyance, but also envy, and disappointment (if you're middle class, why waste time being a commie when you can make use of your class status to live well/practise uncontrolled hedonism like most normie middle class faglords)

This is what you fashies don't get; socialism isn't about this at all. Socialism is about ensuring economic equality so that everyone is ABLE to have a happy family life, sense of belonging, etc. etc. The worker can never be secure in his social position if his wealth is subject to the fluctuations of the market. High art/culture is only high art/culture insofar it remains confined to the upper class; they are able to indulge in these things because they have security. Under socialism, the working man will have the same security, and so, "high" art/culture will become the culture of all men. Socialism works to advance the cause of civilisation and cultural development, not replace it with some materialism. Just because the theory is materialistic doesn't mean it prescribes materialism upon people; analogically, you can analyse cell mechanisms chemically without saying life is just proton-exchange and chemical diffusion.

You have next to nothing in common with Donald Trump apart from race and a loosely similar definition of family. He's no different to any other billionaire, and the only reason you're deluded enough to think he'd work to benefit you is because of a long campaign of anti-worker union-busting in the US since Ronald Reagan.

The concept of nation was made up in the mid 1800s; I'd hardly call that a pivotal moment in human evolution.

Look, I think you have a very fixed idea of what socialism is, and if you get rid of the racial/nation-based identity politics of your social theory, you'll find that you have a lot more in common with socialism than you think you do.

Man under socialism isn't some machine devoid of culture and feeling; man under socialism is precisely the opposite. Once he's liberated from the capitalists pinching him for every last penny in his body, he can go about reading Goethe and listening to Bach. He has a sense of belonging to his class, an international sense of belonging with the human race.

gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

Only from your extremely limited experience as a white non-travelling Amerifat.

People everywhere have pride in their surroundings, history, family, connections, are generally content, and not looking to move about arbitrarily.

What you see as an invasion of muh spic-niggers is driven entirely by capitalism.
Only under proletarian internationalism will people be able to move freely, yet choose not to.

kill yourself

has always been a circlejerk for rich faglords, almost always copied off cool shit that autists do.
But I don't trust your ability to plan an economy to success, nor do I believe in the virtues of equality for the sake of equality. Guess I'm an arsehole then.

No shit he's just another rich puppet cunt, but at least he's funny.

Too bad the only unions that are left heh are the ones that bribe and cheat, essentially becoming Special Interest Groups and so in turn, de facto Corporations (union of people = body of people)
Don't you want to help the evolution of people x and people y on different environments, so when they get angry, they can have a big cool battle like in Starship Troopers, or a long, boring conflict where one assimilates and the other has relatively fewer losses?
I think the bigger battle is more appealing, because bloodlust.

But then competition is less for life-or-death and more for fun. That's not cool at all.

No
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation#Ancient_nations

I think that you were referring to the ideology and worldview of Nationalism.

You're also wrong on the date
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism#History

Despite your claims otherwise you leftists are really rather uneducated.

Oh well now normalfaggots are just silly unaware identity politicians like I am.
I need to get a pocket mirror.

I don't care if these pieces were made by a homeless man or the richest person on the planet.

They are still inherently high art.

Of course those things define economic class what i'm saying is that you consider that the biggest and only important metric while the actual common people care quite a lot about race, culture, religion, and language.

Who are you, from your ivory tower to tell them how to think and live?

But you don't understand people. Just like the anti nation anti borders porkys you speak of workers but you forget that they are people first and workers second.

Monolingual American racists SUCK.
I can't wait till their country collapses, and they're all forced to learn mandarin.

Mandarin is a much worse language than English, because barely anything influential in western culture has been translated fast and well, and eastern culture from mainland China is trash because previous porkies (incl. Mao) fucked it up.
Learn Esperanto like a good BR, and at least you can get to Euro languages from there.

way to miss the point, idiot

I already speak Mandarin. It was very useful for when I lived there.
Every Amerifat I saw was a total fuckup, because they thought they were on a mission to spread christianity, and couldn't read the extremely subtle social cues.

[Howls with laughter internally]

guess again retard

how would you know what workers actually want from the depths of your basement

it's a politically correct word for "Brown people OUT"

swishes tail unironically

Dubtrips is a powerful man. You have been blessed by the powers of Stirner and KEK

If it's brown, flush it down!

No, people are retarded

If anyone is interested, I'd recommend reading Benedict Anderson's "Imagined Communities" for an historical overview of how the concept of nationality evolved. It's a very interesting read.

Absolutely spook'd

I don't care about brown people more than any other group, but the current wave of nationalism is just ethno-nationalism with emphasis on the ethno-part. The nation is a secondary concern.