So let's talk about western companies push over the passed decade to desexualize female characters as much as possible...

Not only doesn't make it good, it makes it shit.

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Seems pretty simple to me. The entire thing is a push by moral authoritarians who now have a death grip on western society. They used to be white, middle class, evangelical paranoid religious type people. Now they are left wing, paranoid, social justice type people.

Either way, they are the same person. Moral authoritarians that think YOU as a grown adult should not be in control of your own mind. body, and actions. The goal for religious people was to reduce you down to a person that sits in a room 24 hours a day with white painted plain walls, staring at those walls, and having no interaction with anything that would cause you to think or act in a sinful way.

The social justice side would have you do the exact same thing, except to keep you from acting in a sinful way it would be to keep you from acting on your predatory(patriarchal) instincts. It's the exact same fucking thing, moral authoritarianism.

Why did the creators of these images have such a boner for FsN series?

Not even that guy, but I agree. A bit of fanservice is fine, though I prefer some games without it at all, but too much just ruins it.

I tried making a system shock one some time ago. Fate lends itself to easy baitism, so conversion isn't hard.

They came up in Type-Moon threads. Hence tons of Type-Moon ones. There's others for Tsukihime as well, but I don't have them on my phone.

If the game tries to smooth over shit gameplay with fanservice, I agree. But like DoA is a decent fighting game, and the naked women are just an added bonus.

Communists trying to corrupt with their shit into the capitalist industry of vidya.

What the fuck are you talking about? It's not like SJWs don't hate loli.

which you can't do in illusion games, everyone ends up looking gooky

You're missing the whole picture. Before it was ideological, desexualization as you might call it started as a backlash originating from the cynical reviewer crowd. Their mindset is akin to:

By doing that they simultaneously invited the feminists and opened a pandora's box where people were rushing to join in on the virtue signaling process:

Before it got to the point where developers are intentionally designing ugly abominations that pass for women and are removing all instances of nudity, cleavage, skin, or whatever, this is what people were doing until the SJWs came along and made it part of an ideological identity - a cancer in gaming that was allowed to grow because of a misguided sense of self-aggrandizement. Cynical reviewing and patting yourself on the back for making fun of a game that can't talk back and making yourself smarter, mature, and more important than you actually are is what led to this.

One of my buddies bitches about the fanservice because he thinks it's "too much" (on the highest settings I'll actually agree) and because it makes people take the game less seriously. It's a legitimately good fighting game but he says too many people treat the game like a joke. I don't think he's entirely wrong but I do think it's a shit opinion. He sees the jiggle as a distraction (as do others) when you and I see it as a bonus.

Normalfags hate loli (or doesn't know it exists), hell "It's for pedophiles" is a common criticism at people who watch anime, even when the character has a fully developed body. Not only that, entry-level fags hate lolicon too, even though they support an animation industry that makes stuff like that.

Adding on to this, also got it exactly right.

My buddy basically does this. "It's so immature to add jiggle physics!!" When I ask what's so immature about it he can't give a coherent response.

They do when not wearing sports bras or a skin tight suit like Cammy.

I will say that someone(a rather feminist friend, actually) tried to point out all the jiggling in the SFV beta, and I flatout was like 'Huh? There's jiggling? I was just trying to see what the moves were going to be, not paying attention to this' and she immediately clammed up.

Riddle me this: What's the fucking point of sexualization in games if it serves no purpose and/or doesn't even show proper nudity?

So teenagers can jerk off.
You have masturbated to a video game while you were playing it, right?

It's pleasing to look at. That's literally it. There's nothing good or bad about sexualization in games. I guess some people also like to have something left to the imagination; I certainly appreciate sexy lingerie over full nudity in some cases.

If the sexualization doesn't detract from the game, and sexualization serves no purpose (and neither does non-sexualization) is there indeed anything wrong with it?

It's part of the fun. Do you want to play a game where you're a kick-ass ninja who fights demons in hell?
Or do you want to play a game where you're kick-ass ninja with big tits who fights demons in hell?

If it comes across as inappropriate for the setting, yes. Imagine if Skyrim came with various Loverslab mods preinstalled.

I'm sure those fireballs, teleportation and playable monsters were giving it *such* an air of grown up sophistication, that I can see why he would think sexy women just make it seem childish. Practically all the male characters having huge muscles like a bodybuilder is ok, *it's not a double standard at all*.

The right answer is not to answer or there is no answer. Because once the cynical hipsters made everything a test and that everything needed justification, nothing new came along. In CURRENT YEAR everything needs justification. Every single thing is scrutinized so that people can find something to attack and feel smarter about once they've used it to nitpick.

The whole point of artistic freedom is that there doesn't need to be justification for anything. What you see is what you get, etc. Once people felt the need to analyze everything, they're over-analyzing everything. There was once a time when people celebrated the ludicrous behavior of games and the only justification you needed is because it's fucking awesome. If it's not awesome it was probably bad.

Here's a good example. What made Tifa so special? Don't answer that because inside you know why. If you try to put it into words you won't find the right ones. If you use those words someone will find something wrong with it, perhaps they don't agree or you didn't explain well enough. If you want to keep Tifa special, you keep her and any other character like her a mystery.

I was going to ask "Wouldn't that make Skyrim slightly more tolerable" but then I remembered the average quality of a LL mod is even lower than an average SFM video.

they listen to the loudest whiners

How the fuck do you get Zangief's hair wrong.

Anyway I think he actually acknowledged the idea that all the men being unrealistically burly is stupid too. I don't know what he would propose instead though; muscle girls? Muscle girls would be totally fine though…

But we're not talking about wolf rape mods, user, we're talking about dumb things like sexy boobplate armor. Imagine instead if one of the best pieces of armor in Skyrim was a chainmail bikini for women only; would there be anything inherently wrong with that (other than that chainmail bikini is retarded)?

I don't know if this one looks "gooky", but she is hot enough for me.

It's a curious trend that I don't like in the slightest. There aren't even cute females in Western games. It's just sad. It's not like Westerners can't do it, I know they can, I honestly believe the West can surpass Japan when it comes to game development, but they are fixated on pandering and mediocrity of the worst kind.

I think gamers want cute, attractive, sexy characters. Gruff, emotionless or annoyingly forceful women just irritate.

are unrealistic user, they don't exist. Just like cupsizes over B. Oy gevalt, stop being so mysoggykneestic.

how many edits does the las pic have?
i only have the original and an edit.

I want her to use her legs to choke me out.

And I want to ride musclegrills into battle, raining arrows down on femdomfags. But we won't get musclegrills as warhorses because it's the [CURRENT YEAR].
Hell, we won't even get to pat their heads when they've been good girls.

still though, it wasn't as easily available a while back. i was jerking off to thumbnail sites because regular sized pictures loaded too slow.

Ninja gaiden had some prime jerk off material

SEX SELLS
Humans are wired for sex or else the race goes extinct. Most products or services can use sex to sell really easily since it catches people's attention and associates good feelings towards the product.

Some products or services generally can't use sex to sell, especially if they're related to "nurturing/protecting" young, like say lawyers or houses. If they *do* try to use sex to sell, they'll grab the attention of tons of people but then only have a small portion commit to purchasing, plus seem less serious/professional than other products.

Both. They need to make money, but they also need to not feel like a shitty person and justify it to themselves.

Nerds play video games.

Women view nerds as the bottom of the social totem pole.

The only thing that sex sells is entertainment, including pornography.

Those magazines prey on the insecurities of women.

They turned what was once or could have been attractive into uncanny valley. The only people who have tits like those are usually men.

Well the best example is FF X-2
Square wanted to attract a female audience for that game so what do they do, they make an all female protag cast all with small proportions not to scare the chicks and it worked

I'd rather jerk to Reboot

fashion industry
food industry
even car industry

Even if they don't use titillating imagery, you'll still find most advertisements use imagery of people that give off an air of beauty / wealth, because that is also what we look for in a mate when we settle down to create our "nest" for offspring.

New World Order.
Religious extremism is losing power amid the information age. Needless to say, they are taking desperate measures.

A mixture of retarded people with retarded ideologies who actively sought to obtain key roles in key companies and succeeded and the fact some activists groups do in fact bribe companies to have their views represented.

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I love cheesecake

I find it's a "time and place" sort of thing. There are times when jiggle physics seem to detract from the game, but other times when it's appropriate.

The only real argument against jiggle physics that I know of is how unrealistic it is. In some games, the tits look like they were filled with helium with how much they flail all over the place.

an user after my own heart

Funny enough, Adam "smack hound" Sessler did have a problem with naked raiden and proobaly would have had a problem with quiet too if he wasn't a jobless hack.

This comment is pretty sweet

Sessler, I used to like him a lot. I remember there was a guy who looked up to him since childhood, but got in a conversation with Sessler about video games, told him how he looked up to Sessler forever, but since he didn't tow whatever political line Sessler liked, Sessler just tore into him like a jerk.

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No nigga you don't understand. Making your own waifu is pointless if you have to see her dance for 1 minute and wait 5 minutes for the game to load the receptionist only to watch another minute of the pole dance.

SBPR was a trainwreck. I wish I could just fly to japan and slap the shit out of illusion and yell at them in chinese.

Fanservice is degenerate and gay. Bit removing sexy characters is Jewish af

Also, gotta keep the camwhores in business!

Two more things, but they're about the quality of games & reviewing in general, not necessarily about whether a game has titillating content or not

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There's a simple reason for this
1. Women somehow found a way to spend 80% of all money spent despite earning less.
2. Video game companies are failing to keep their own audiebce because of the decline in quality.
3. Thay wish to capitalize on primary consumers of Western Civilization, women.
4. They will eventually do it by turning video games into a copy of Lifetime movies/Trashy Romance novels. Hence all the Walking Simulators.
5. This will be the final nail in the coffin for Video games.

Nice post, here it is saved for future generations

a grim look into the future of video games had there not been resistance to journalists trying to dictate what is allowable "or else the games are not *art*"

This is why the Japanese Manga industry is superior. Not even trolling, does manga suffer the same amount of isssue dropoff at all? At this point, there are probably more kids who have heard of and read Naruto than there are kids who heard of or read Superman. And it's all thanks to the complete failure if the western comics industry.

This man understands the nature of the beast

FF7's shiva summon on a tiny CRT
Good times…

Screen capped so that people may know the sheer brilliance of this great fucking post

I understand what the user in the first pic is talking about, but it's exactly the kind of mentality of SJWs that gets shot down around here.

I can put exactly into words why Tifa is so special, because of her design and her tits. She was prime fappin' material for kids and young teenagers growing up in the 90's. She was the reason we did the 'bad' thing of looking up lewd pictures of her. That's why. She was a catalyst into puberty.

Also, all that shit about "EVERYTHING NEEDS JUSTIFICATION, JUST STAHP" is very 'feels before reals' bullshit.

Get the hell out of here.

The utilitarianism of critical theory/cultural Marxism demands justification for anything they can get their hands on. Everything has to serve some kind of purpose, that's why, as an example, modern architecture more often than not looks like shit and pales in comparison to things we were building centuries ago.

If it doesn't have a utility then they don't want it, and if it depicts things in an exaggerated or romanticized way then they don't want it, and so everything looks terrible, mundane, and hollow. No spirit, no creativity, just empty but serves a function and that's all that matters. It's the chase after the satisfactory, not the excellent or the superior.

That's partly why a lot of us play games, read manga, etc. Those are the few remaining places where we can see glimpses of beauty that doesn't depend on "realism" (copying what we see, and usually the ugliest things we see, like fat bitches or ones with manjaws) but instead man's spirit and will to create, innovate, and hold up what he loves most even if it serves no purpose beyond that.

This is the age where myth and legend are fading; where the gods were arrogantly pushed aside to gratify the fleeting whims and desires of the ego. We don't need a reason for every little thing and form is more important than function when concerning anything artistic. That's probably why the universe exists at all, because why not?

also, i guess my comment was meant for this guy

Surely you would post the full smug, as a fellow purveyor of smug?

when were these ever even a thing? what the fuck did i miss?

Sex is at the core of all human behaviour, and cannot be ignored, diminished or denigrated.
SJWs are fighting a battle that they cannot possibly win.

A shame her glorious tits are constantly getting shrunk with every new game, she will probably be flat in the remake.

NAMBLA are trying to make us all into pedophiles. All the leading Democratic members have ties to NAMBLA.

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I just wanted nyotengu 34s

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Cool gif buddy, I can see why you thought the action in it needs to be animated.

Found the Redditor

Go be an apathetic faggot somewhere else if the topic doesn't interest you

i used to have like 20gb of tifa material with more than half of that just being jpgs and gifs

most of it was shit and i rarely even looked at any of it

i just had a need to collect pictures and videos of her just as i have a need to eat and shit

all deleted now though

So you don't need to eat and shit? Or have a reason to live?

Fresh OC! At Least the first one. Other pictures are related.

Off the top of my head, the 2005 MMORPG called "Perfect World" was the first one I can remember that had a slider specifically for breast size. I remember back in 2000 "Phantasy Star Online" had one rectangular "slider" for the entire body. Move the slider up higher on the rectangle to make your character taller. Move it lower to make them shorter. Move it to the left to make them skinny, move it to the right to make them fat. It's not that hard, they've had them around forever.

Why is everyone so obsessed with porn?

You know why.

Because a natural interest is suppressed by society

Sorry I don't sage like an ebin downvoter

Because it's as close to the real thing as most Holla Forums-goers ever get.

wrong , this whole argument is nothing but "lets never answer and run away from the discussion "

there is nothing as "overSexualiastion" in the first place " lewdness is in the eye of the beholder "

sexuality in art is very sensitive to context
youtube block pornography of all kind but respect movies as art and doesn't mind showing naked children in the movie

but there is a thin line between artistic freedom and artistic laziness context is needed for a naked women to appear of no where i want games to respect my mind

i don't want my rpgs to be filled with VN tier women who will show me pussy after 3 min of head patting i want them to be real and believable and well written

tldr: show me naked women if you want to you have the freedom to so , but when you do it poorly don't except me to be fine with it

and sorry for my bad english

read schopenhauer

3D women want nothing to do with me, so 2D are just as good.

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Am I reading this incorrectly?
Is this saying that unless you have a stable income you're incapable of anything higher up on the chart?

Also, in this case "sex" just means masturbation, right?
Or is he really saying that in order to be happy everyone needs to be getting laid all the time?

It's saying that "self-actualization" and being a good person is more important than anything else.

i dont think thats how those pyramids work, the bottom is the most important, its the base that you need to build the rest on.

I think what it's saying is that you need money before you can do anything else, not that money isn't important.
If anything it's saying that money is like the foundation of a house, if self-actualization is like the things you use the house for.

The more I study, the more I realize psychology is a giant fucking scam.

How so?

Vacuity and inanition

yeah fuck you too, maslow

You masterbate, doN't you user, ya big dummy.

There's a clear difference between fanservice and pornography. There's nothing wrong showing off or appreciating an ideal body regardless of gender which can inspire people to reach such high standard. However I can't defend the act of watching a character or a person get ridiculously railed on display.

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The pic is crap. What the hierarchy of needs means that as long as basic needs aren't being met the motivating impulse to meet them overides the motivating impulse to meet the needs belonging to the categories over it. Which explains normalfag behavior pretty well but fails to explain autistic behavior as whatever tickles our autism can become the primary motivating impulse whenever it's tickled. That's why autists can achieve greatness. That's also why they rarely do unless someone else takes care of the autists essential needs.

Too bad the people who buy games for tits are the ones that are never gonna procreate outside of being a sperm donor…

D'oh, meant for

Well that's just one part of the hierarchy of needs, within the category of security, i.e. to have that specific category of needs met.
It's also generalized, so financial security can mean many different things, as long as you feel financially secure in this respect.
It doesn't matter if you live a spartan lifestyle using your savings, or are retired and are living off your retirement fund; as long as you consider that need as met.
Then, according to Maslow, if you have all those security needs met you have all the necessary parts to advance up the pyramid; psychologically.
Which in general terms, is why things like society, family, and a stable environment is of such importance; so we have the means necessary to advance to the top of the pyramid, and do something like pursue a dream, and play vidya.

Well, it's all the study of the human consciousness.
Which varies widely from person to person (depending upon who you ask), and isn't an exact science; due to a lacking of an answer to the most fundamental questions concerning consciousness.
The hard problem of consciousness, and many of the other questions concerning how our brain functions as it does; yet we have sentience and are holding this conversation.

Basically though, yeah, due to the variability of consciousness it's difficult to reproduce certain experiments, and leads to this being an inexact science.
Although, something like pavlov's dogs is reproducible, but that's a result of how our brain works; not necessarily how the consciousness functions (which varies depending upon your interpretation of what consciousness itself is).

In the end, it's our best attempt to explain what might as well be considered magic (i.e. the arthur C. clarke quote) at this point, as we don't understand it.

I dont understand why its so hard to make a decent female character.

I recently played both Bayonetta 2 and Metroid Fusion, both are women, and both I like a lot. Seriously one is a hidden female that barley talks and is buff like a dude while the other is a sexy woman who is stylish as fuck.

Seriously if you make a new series with a woman lead, if you make develop them instead of forced female replacement i dont see the problem. Both samus and Bayonetta 2 MC's had their struggles and characters you can come to love. I didnt expect to like bayonetta so much, but as the game progressed I started to like her more and more because i saw and played through her up and down moments.

There are plenty of new series games where you can have female leads if you want. or just make it where nobody knows the gender of the female lead.

If its a female lead because you want a female lead to show against the partirarchy then the game will probably be shit since the character wont really develop at all and probably wont be likable.

trash/10

Also

But they are pedophiles though. They just justify it by only liking actual kids, because somehow that's better than only liking 2D, non-real kids.

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No, your brain (and your dick) knows why. There's no metaphors here, you're just making assumptions. Sure, you can try to put it in words, but the important point is that you don't need to do any justification in general. By putting your opinions in print, you are asking to be attacked on your opinions. This happens even here, not just social media. Time is wasted on either side of the argument every time you do this. Best to not bother.

Yeah. All you need to ask is "does this hurt anyone?", is the answer is no, then you don't need to justify yourself at all.
Although some people might find your tastes fucked up and disgusting, but you can't help liking the things that you like, you don't choose what you enjoy.

To add to that, "does it hurt anyone?" means "is it unhealthy, especially to you?"

I'm ok with hurting the feelings of these annoying people. I'd never want them to like what I like anyways.

This is where progressive "everything that doesn’t directly injure someone should be permitted" thinking leads

Too bad the biggest example of that is constantly shilled by Holla Forums

You say this as if the former is bad.

That's a good point.
I'd say that there is a lot of psychological damage that needs to be healed, and that is the cause of most disgusting things in society.

I'd say spending a lot of time on the internet is a symptom of being mentally unhealthy, and that most of us need help, but then people say that we're simply weak, lack character, are cowards, etc., instead of attempting to help anyone.

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Feminism hurts any culture it infects, homosexuality is a mental illness that leads to high spread of STDs (especially HIV) and other mental ailments, transsexuality is another mental illness, etc.

Everything leftism promotes is harmful to either society or the individual.

Feel free to explain what security of morality is then, m8, because the only thing you have said is that wanting to fuck kids is bad, which I neither stated nor implied.

So players have the motivation to finish the game.

I usually dropped a game when i find the characters are unlikable or unattractive.

What's the point of having pretty people in commercials and movies if the only purpose is to sell a product or tell a story?

Answer me that you fucking imbecile.

Bikini armour fucking is retarded.

Irony

This is just as shallow as any other marketing ploy. Except you guys praise this one. You're no better than any other sheep that are baited into buying mediocre products through marketing tactics.

The hypocrisy is astounding considering the constant posts and threads on several boards about anons being forever alone because whatever women they meet don't meet their incredibly high and picky standard.
Literally fedora-tier "Nice guys finish last" post.

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Why is it retarded? Because it's "unrealistic"?

Guess what, so are women running around with swords and killing men.

We like good looking women. Sorry we aren't mentally ill homosexuals or attracted to hideous feminists like you seem to be.

Forgive us for being normal humans and appreciating the human body.

Because real barbarians only wear a loincloth.

2D=/3D
If a woman is conventionally unattractive but her personality is really attractive(she's kind, caring, likes me for who I am, isn't overly negative, etc.) then I overlook her physical appearance, and find her attractive regardless.

But in fiction you can have anything you want, why not have your perfect ideal?
Since real life girls make up for not being physically perfect by being a real person, with thoughts and feelings, and you can actually touch them.

Not all women are like the ones described in those images, but I think you have to admit men being attracted only to physical appearance of a woman is the same thing as a woman being only attracted to how much money a man has or what he can do.

sorry bruv can't fuck a personality

Maybe cavemen, and even that is a dubious claim, because even they saw the value of clothing, especially in colder climates.

The only barbarians that actually did go into battle naked were Irish ones, and maybe the Picts.

And no, berserkers did not do that. They get their name from, traditionally, wearing bear pelts, not because they flew into a trance of rage before battle.

Please elaborate

Source?

Also I guess you've never heard of Boudica or Mandukhai Khatun.

Nice non-sequitur, faggola.

Once again, Holla Forums proves itself to full of manchildren who can't make a coherent argument and spout memes like retarded twelve years when they see anything that doesn't comply to their circlejerk.

it's not retarded, its fun and sexy.

Some things are put into games because they're fun, cool, or sexy.
Not everything has to be realistic. Games aren't real life.

Other than that I've already replied to you.

But what does this achieve exactly? A game that can't sell itself on it's gameplay alone doesn't seem like it has much confidence in itself to me.

appealing visuals are an additional layer of entertainment.

I'm not justifying anything. I am merely pointing out that, if bikini armor is "retarded", it is only because you think it "unrealistic".

Well, if we are going to apply realism then we have to go the whole way and make it a point that women did not go into battle, or adventuring, because they are the physical inferiors of men in every way and no amount of training can overcome that.

I always despair at the ignorance of leftists. It's like the Jew shoved his dick up your nasal cavity and squashed what little brain you had to begin with.

Boudica did not fight in battle. What was done to her was a rallying cry to the English tribes to revolt against Roman occupation.

Again, she did not fight in battles or conduct war.

And good job scraping the bottom of history to "justify" your idiocy. What next? Amazons were real? Joan of Arc maybe?

It's okay to invoke realism when women are being "objectified". It's not okay to invoke realism when it proves women are the inferior of men.

Leftism at its finest.

Exactly.
No one should ever make a game that only relies on sexy and cute girls to be good, but a game that already has good mechanics, artstyle, music, world, characters, why not add in stuff that will make people enjoy it even more?

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people can make whatever game they want to make. Stop trying to change the subject of the thread, your discussion is best brought elsewhere

user you need to differentiate fiction from reality.

I didn't do this though, that was someone else.

I'd say that women are the equals to men, in most things anyway.

There are inherit differences between men and women, but I wouldn't say one is superior to the other.

Men tend to much physically stronger than women, also men tend to be either retarded or geniuses, whereas women are usually somewhere in the middle intellectually.

Yeah, of course people can make whatever games they want to, I'd never disagree with that.
I just think that it's a "best practices" thing.

And I wasn't even arguing with you, I was completely agreeing.

Educate me, oh wise one, on the point of wearing armour that doesn't protect you.

I always despair at the ignorance of rightists. It's like the redneck shoved his dick up your nasal cavity and squashed what little brain you had to begin with.

Sorry it goes against your narrative, righty, but she made war with the Oirats and won.

Yes, why doesn't everyone follow BioWare's example and populate their games with hideous (on purpose) characters? Dragon Age Inquisition sold so well because of that, right?

I want this post modernist crusade against everything objectively beautiful to stop. They insane, warped vision of reality will never come true, no matter how hard they brainwash the populace.

wew

We are a sexually dimorphic species. Men are the dominant gender.

This isn't mere speculation, this is how our species is wired.

sure, I agree, appealing characters > ugly characters. If you want attractive characters, or good game play, you wouldn't be playing Bioware games. I tend to like cute characters more than hot or sexy ones, umihara kawase and super hook girl have scratched my good gameplay + cute itches lately.

How the fuck can they be equals when they are fundamentally different? You really think women are just shorter men with vaginas?

All girls were scantily clad, specially Riku. Fuck, there were skintight suits and naked transformations, it was not desexualized at all. Also, despite being a "villain" she joins your side mid-game, LeBlanc also had some decent sexual attributes.

If you are complaining about the lack of Lulu (yes, I was hurt by that too), the justification had nothing to do with her enormous titties. Lulu was too "adult" or mature for the dynamic of YRP and they wanted a goofier, younger group that allowed for shenanigans.

Nevermind FFX-2 didn't even attract that many girls.

Because it's fucking fiction? If you apply the need for realism on armor you need to apply it to physical differences in gender too. Or is mentioning that haram?

Why don't you explain to me how Red Sonja is able to swing around a zweihander and overpower all men?

Mate, if you're gonna resort to ad hominems you need to back them up with facts. Not my fault you're so goddamn ignorant you didn't know about Boudicca, but thought it smart to mention her because you heard about her in your Women's Studies class.

She neither fought the war nor directed its course. By your logic Queen Victoria is the greatest military leader on planet Earth since she sat on the throne while men got around fighting the war.

Doesn't matter whether it's "cute" or "sexy", the point is that it is pleasurable to look at. We like pretty things, we like cute things. We like babies, puppies, kittens, etc. because we are wired to do so. We have an objective standard of beauty embedded in our genes.

There is no point in making a character ugly unless the plot specifically requires you to, or if you are going for autistic realism.

Would anyone care for, say, Triss as much if she had pockmarks and yellow, rotting teeth? Would we like our "male power fantasies" like Conan or Duke if they weren't the male (and female) ideal?

Where did this notion that imperfection is preferable come from? The Greeks and Romans certainly did not agree.

But it's okay when it's straight white males like pic related amirite?

Yes and your idea sounds kinda fun.

Well this depends on a few things.
Are you trying to make a "serious" game? Then maybe sexy women isn't something you should have in it, or maybe just tone it down so it's not just ridiculous and people can't take it seriously.

But if you're just trying to make a game people will enjoy and like? Then of course put cute and sexy girls in your game.

>We are a sexually dimorphic species. Men are the dominant gender.
Dominant in what way exactly? Why do women have more, better paying jobs then men if this is the case?
Maybe, I can see where you're coming from, but then what can explain men being NEETs and "betas" and letting women walk all over them and so forth?

I think they can make whatever they want, most of the games people make are just mediocre and ugly, but I have nothing necessarily against the strange or unfamiliar.

My problems arise when they try to portray this as the correct way of things, or that beauty is evil, this is where my disgust arises.

But not all men are these dominant, in control people that you describe.

How can you explain "betas", NEETs, and men with no "spine"?

Not to mention having very little money or control over their own lives?

Estrogen

As far as I remember I believe she was raped, her family was killed, and then a goddess gave her magical powers?
And also didn't Conan save her a bunch too?

Estrogen from what? How do you remove estrogen?

It's called pandering to the female ever-present inferiority complex.

They are playing us all like a fiddle

Not agreeing with your pathological need for realism in vidya at all but here's an argument that just begs to be made:
It protects the reproductive organs. Bikini armor protects the milk dispensers and the baby chute. Just like the barbarians loincloth protects his dick. You could also call it hedonistic armor as it's the armor of choice for people who'd rather die than live a life without sexual pleasure.
What's good for Conan is just as good for Barbarella.

Men also produce estrogen, you need a certain amount in your body as a man to be healthy so as long as you aren't growing tits or your growth wasn't stunted most men have a small amount in them.

Soybeans etc

Broccoli

Go punch a fight with a girl, any girl, and tell us how it went.

Certainly not because they have earned them, I can tell you this much. It's called Affirmative Action, look it up.

Marxist brainwashing that teaches men female approval is the same as female attraction.

Yeah, post modernism, the ideological destruction of the objectively beautiful.

Wow Mr. Plato, why don't you give us your Test of Beauty to classify things depending on their adherence to this objective idea of beauty you are talking about? Since it's so objective I guess you can measure it with numbers.

I was just being facetious, but here. Although with Red Sonja around the same time we have the original chainmail bikini wearing female barbarian

Objective =/= numerical discreteness

So that somehow means it's not retarded? Does that mean Luso Clemens' outfit and Assassin's Creed's backstory stuff like Al Gore being an Assassin aren't retarded because that's fiction too?

Do you have some evidence to back this up?

Nice meme.

It's cute that you think the dank little strawman you've set up is funny, but no.

I will ask though, was this character designed shirtless for fanservice reasons or not?

That's the point I was trying to imply.

So the majority of channers have estrogen problems?

How remarkable then that for 6000+ the ideal of beauty has not changed!

But seriously, go kill yourself.

I didn't say that at all.
I just meant that it's a nice thing to add into your game, afterwards, to make it even better.

Worse, almost everyone nowadays has xenoestrogen problem, mainly came from chemicals and plastics, where do you think cucks and nu-males came from?

So that somehow means it's not retarded? Does that mean Luso Clemens' outfit and Assassin's Creed's backstory stuff like Al Gore being an Assassin aren't retarded because that's fiction too?
Since you're so hung up on realism why not explain to why women fighting men, and winning, is somehow less retarded than chainmail bikini.

Nigger, you made the claim that Boudicca and that other cunt fought in battle. Be free to present proof, I have no need to prove a negative claim.

Then again, I doubt you will, since you're stupid enough to confuse "made war" with the idea they put on their armor and went charging at the enemy. And that's ignoring the fact that Mongol generals, let alone their khans, rarely did something as stupid as that. Next you'll read that Queen Elizabeth "made war" against the Spanish and led the fleet herself.

Basic lack of understanding of historical facts is a hallmark of leftist betacucks.

Why won't you contribute anything to a thread that is worth your valuable time and effort?

Superior skill? In any case, a better argument against chain bikini and boobplate is that it is a bit silly. Not very much of a problem if that's the tone of the game though, like in Dragon's Crown.

The concept of someone beating someone else in a fight is hard for you to understand? Do you just think being a man is an auto-win situation in battle. No, a soldier has to train and build strength, otherwise by your logic any beta NEET could fight in battle in win.

Damn, that's some salt.

Nice buzzwords mate.

By contribute you mean only say things you want to hear?

Well, it's not restricted to men. Xenoestrogens are weaker than the real thing, right? Imagine what happens when they compete with natural estrogens for their intended receptor molecules in female body. Presence of xenoestrogens pushes toward androgyny both for men and women.

Is this thread the most interesting thing you can read now? You have my pity then.

>Another event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[33] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams, aged 17 and 16 respectively, had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager."''[34] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[35] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.
wew

There is a reason we don't pit women against men in sports. Another example is the Canadian female hockey Olympic team not being allowed to have training matches against male teams of teenagers because they kept demolishing the women.

Yes.

For the love of God learn some basic human biology. Pic related. Or read up on the "Battle of the Sexes". Women are the physical inferiors of men.

You made the claim what Boudicca fought in battle. It's your duty in a debate to substantiate the positive claim with facts. I can't prove what never happened, now can I?

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Okay then.

Let's see who'd win in this fight. Obvious, this tough alpha specimen on the right because being male automatically translate to being able to win.

I feel like i should pitch into this since i just got back from an art museam and people assume art right now is total fucking garbage and really PC
this is one of the 'Art of the modern world' exhibits, and stuff in there was generally on par with this, except for some retarded shit that was at least above 'spaghetti-os in vagina' tier shit, and a lot of it was actually ART, feel like a lot of people really overblow how much influence the kind of people who want a ton of censorship have, seeing as they are just a VERY vocal minority, and this was in a very liberal city btw (Minneapolis), we need to only focus on the people who push their shit agenda and garbage opinions like the dude in the thread

Nice strawman you fucking faggot

If it's objective, you can make a made up scale. Think the Mohs scale. If there is no way to put objects in a graph by comparing one of their properties, then it is not objective, it's relative.

The Starry Night, from Van Gogh, goes against the classical ideas of beauty (what I bet you are using as measuring point for "the objective idea of beauty"), but you can't deny it is beautiful. Same goes for Klimt paintings. Turns out the ancient Greeks didn't contemplate that humans can find stylized and unrealistic things to be beautiful too!

Given that American-tier obese women have never been appealing, some relatively modern artists like Peter Paul Rubens have drawn fatties as their idea of beauty. More specifically, The Three Graces shows the women pinching their meats to check their fat volume, which reinforces the idea that this man did indeed find this pretty, and so did many other people. It was not just Rembrandt being the ancient equivalent of a HentaiFoundry artist, nor was it just because of commissions by these women.

As the picture pointed out, this was not because of health reasons, but because noble women tended to be fat due to excess of food and little work. This still doesn't change the fact that they jerked off to them because they found them attractive; it's exactly the same reason we find tan women attractive today, but just a few centuries ago this was seen as a symbol of being poor, and therefore unattractive.

That said, being excessively fat is bad for your health, and therefore it is going to default to "ugly" most of the time, and when it isn't, it is probably because there is something really wrong with that time period, but this doesn't change the fact that people from different time periods may find different things to be pretty. Still, you are drawing some extremely specific example and using it as a definitive proof that your assertion is correct. Two can play this game.

Answer me this, why don't Japanese women shave their cunnies, even when they are porn actresses? Why did people find Frida Kahlo beautiful when she was fucking ugly, at least by today's standards? Why was Olivia Wilde considered the Hottest Woman Alive just a few years ago when she has the manliest manjaw ever?

Well done, buddy. You managed to draw it out for this long, but it's pretty obivious you're on your last legs.

Resorting to the "u mad?" defence is suicide at this point. Also you were the one who brought up Boudica with no source.

No, he said being a male is an automatic win. Therefore this speccy rangger should win with ease.

Yes, in this case he just need to open his wallet, the gold digger on the left will automatically submit.

You really aren't helping much of the argument by saying things like that

And you immediately moved on from your initial claim about Boudicca without bothering to validate it first.

Why should he deal with your strawman argument that's a boy, not a man, and you know it when all you're going to do is continue to flee from indefensible points without conceding them? Why should anyone?

Doesn't matter if they are a minority. They're loud. In these kinds of discussions it's the extremists you must focus on, not the "moderate" cattle that follow where they are lead.

He's satly and desperate. I imagine he has spent a significant amount of time googling for factual references of Boudicca actually engaging in battle and found none.

Wow, another chubby chasers like Rubens. The outliners totally disprove the norm, right?

No, they did not. If you look at depictions of women that were not images commissioned by ugly aristocratic cunts you'll see they all adhere to "modern" standards of beauty. Slim and tall.

The myth of hamplanets being attractive is what tumblr tells themselves to sleep at night. Pic related.

And now you're comparing apples and oranges.

Oh fuck you. I posted plenty of images for anicet Egypt to modern times that clearly show your betacuck delusions are just that, a pathetic attempt to ingrate yourself with the legbeards and get a pity fuck.

Beauty standards have not changed over the millennia because we are wired to find healthy women attractive.

Except I have evidence and you have fuckall. Two can play this game, yes, but the smarter leftists (not you) tend to avoid doing so because they know they'll lose.

Have you looked at JAV actresses? How do they not adhere to the universal beauty standard?

>her work has been celebrated internationally as emblematic of Mexican national and indigenous traditions, and by feminists for its uncompromising depiction of the female experience and form.
Found you, cunt.

Because the magazines that gave her said award are run by feminist filth like yourself? Because their primayr readership is women and they don't dare remind them of their crippling inferiority complex?

Because women with hairy pussies are hot.
Because those people were hipsters of the past.
Because she was associated with video games, fairly fit, and because she was popular. THe manjaw was ignored, not the cause of people thinking she was hot.

Look's like he could be between 16-18, but fair enough. Here's an opponent that's definitely a man. See, he's even ready to fight with that pose.

How about we have both train for a year and then have them fight? Do you think he wouldn't be raping the shit out of her on the mat in 10 minutes flat?

Also, where's my proof on Boudicca?

Olivia Wilde is not Olivia Munn, dumbass.

Also, hairy pussies are gross.

I'd put my money on him, unfortunately. He's not in great shape, but a punch's effectiveness is still determined by the mass behind it.

Also. You didn't answer the question.

militaryhistoryonline.com/conquestbritain/articles/boudicca.aspx
news.bbc.co.uk/local/berkshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8646000/8646066.stm
livescience.com/37061-boudicca.html
culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/military-history/pre-20th-century-conflict/tra22669

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Why even argue with cherrypicks? Yeah, a weightlifting 6'5 woman would smash a 5'4 male couch potato. But that's besides the point. Let's have 100 hundred randomly picked women fight against 100 randomly picked men and see what happens.

The pnñly wopmen who hate female beauty are the horrid zistfaced, neckbearded cat hoarding, frigind unfuckable landwhales that make up the vast majority of the Femitard population

Just look at the cover of women magazines, more than half of them have beautiful sometimes half naked women in it.

Chicks like atractive female bodies just as much as they like atractive male bodies

but the femitard lanwhales to lazy and stupid to change themselves top fit withing the beauty standards of society ar pointlesly trying to change said beauty standard by insidiously taking over popular culture and enforcing their futile attemps of subliminal brainwashing hoping that societies beauty standard would change to fit them, instead of them changing to fit in, as they should

the deesexualizaation of females will cease ass soon as the kikes in power realice landwhales don't make as many shekkels as bimbos

Back to reddit, I'm done with you.

Even the couch potato manlet, if given time to properly train, can bulk up with muscle significantly faster than the female amazon, and have more "punch" in his punch that she could ever dream of.

Hell, I already posted a passage where the 203rd world ranked male tennis player, past his prime (he was in his 30s), after a few beers and a golf match, went on to pulverize the Williams sisters in their prime. And he did it while smoking cigars and drinking scotch during the breaks.

This isn't looking good, mang.

Why even argue with cherrypicks?

See:

It's not cherrypicking. It's using his logic and showing how it falls flat on it's face.

How about you control + F search those articles for the word "evidence" which shows up about three/four times in each, you lazy fuck?

Well it's great you've decided to return to where you came from after losing the argument.

But with your logic he shouldn't need to train:

Two examples of very prominent and appreciated (keyword here) artists drew fat women. There is also Caravaggio, who sometimes drew somewhat plump women.

The Three Graces was a personal project, he did jerk out to it.
That's a whale. Not even Rubens drew that because nobody except actual fetishists have found it attractive.

No, fuck you. From the "objective idea of beauty", you specified/downgraded to "fat has always been ugly", and then I sidegraded to "beautiful skin color isn't static". It is a perfectly fine example.

Hoy cunt, you still haven't answered why pale was beautiful just a few years ago. That's considered sickly nowadays.

Still, let's put another example, not specific to women's biology. Why does fashion sense change over time? If tunics are the ideal, most beautiful piece of clothing ever developed, why aren't we using it right now? Why has architecture changed, and not just for technical purposes?

You have evidence that people usually tend to like girls that aren't fat. How does this justify the idea that beauty is objective?

Well, for once, they are quite short, which is considered "ugly", at least for today's standards. Second, the ideal western pussy is shaved, whereas this is different in Asia. Who is right?

It's not her art (which is shit, by the way). People did find her attractive, and in fact, she had a shitton of lovers. Why are you not replying to this? Are you afraid of being proven wrong?

I get it, you don't know how to argue and you just use Holla Forums charts as a substitutive for arguments.

That's not right, at least for western standards.
Considering the type of people she rubbed shoulders with, I guess I could pass this explanation, but I will let you know it is less than optimal.
Only the last two are true, but hey, so are a lot of other women. Women without manjaws.

when it comes to fighting, sice and witght matter, the best way a smal person has to take down someone bigger and heavier is by being faster and skilled enough to aply joint locks or other submision techniques.

Mock the couch potato all you want, but if he is fighting someone his same sice and is heavier than said oponet (due to his massive lard ass) all he has to do is grit his teeth and take enough hits until he manages to catch a limb of the atacker, curl up on it, and either start breaking (or biting) the fingers one by one using the pain to get them to the ground and try to mount them, as skilled as a fighter may be, he wont be able to shake of a blob of flesh form the top position, once the attacker is pined down, you just strangle him by placing your hands on his neck and letting your own wheight do the wet work.

I used to be one such meat blob at 14 and i once took down a 20 year old guy who did martial arts (or at least was as fast and nimble as a martial artist)
He was stronger and faster than me, no way i would beat him in a punching match, but he kicked me in the ribs and i grabed his leg (wich was porbably just a pain reflex) once i had him i didn't let go and literaly rolled over him, then I managed to mount him with my knees over his biseps so his strong arms where useles and his prety face was open for me to do anything i wanted to him (and i did) not only did the bastard end up with a broken nose, teeth, jaw and ego but i even farted in his face on my way up, (wich was when the cops separated us)

The asshole could have KOed me with a quick punch to the jab but he got overconfident, beliving there was no way i'd ever get the uper hand on him

Pic related pretty much sums up the whole fight

The reason people cry for sources on claims is because they want to know why you've taken one side of the argument over the other and want to see something that reflects your ideas.

If these sources are flawed, the argument then becomes about their validity.

Which, again, we're dealing with two Romans, neither of which was present for Boudicca's rampage. One was even born a century after it happened, and the other was noted for writing subject material that "…provoked the sternest moral reflections."

I don't think I need to remind you that using something that happened as a vehicle for your storytelling, rather than your historical accounting, is not a new invention.

So he was a storyteller whose father was involved in the actual event and wrote a eulogy to him.

You can understand where one might doubt that such a person existed when there's only two dudes writing about a thing, especially since Romans fucking loved writing things down.

Why would Romans make up stories about people who tired to fight them back and did notable damage? Doesn't that sound self-loathing? Wouldn't that just encourage more to rise up against the Roman Empire? What would it achieve?

Cool story, blob.

any lewds of fit qt girlshandholding and hugging geeks?

No one could be this stupid. Well done 8/8

Why the fuck would you sexualize a girl in a game anyways?

It's unnecessary, Like seriously you're all a bunch of fucking neets who sit around all day masturbating to 2d women, children and other people don't need your shitty sexualization in every single game

It's like all you people think of is just how much clothes the girls won't be wearing, instead of actually playing the game

Why did we shit on the soldiers returning from the Vietnam War? Why do people shit on the President at all times? Why did Martin Luther nail his arguments on the church door, being a priest himself? Why do game journalists shit on gamers for being toxic, horrible, misogynistic, angry, childish brutes?

People do shit like that. Most of them do it because they don't like what's currently there.

Again, vipers who tear down the establishment aren't new. We just call them hipsters now.

Not a blob anymore
I was so scared shitles that that fucker would someday come back for revenge that i strated hitting the gym as soon as i could, my ass and manboobs got a lot smaller,, though i still keep my big belly but now i got some real brawns in my arms, the next time i met that fucker i was 20 and he was 26, he tried to start another fight to wich i responded by throwin a table on to him then hitting him with a full beer bottle, i don't know how many stiches he needed after that cus i ran away as soon as he was out of combat, (Cops aint gonna be as mercyfull to a 20 year old as they where to a 14 year old), it's been 10 years ever since and i've never saw that guy again

You completely misunderstand but I can see how you took away that. It's not about running away from discussion. It's about not running into traps designed to make you question and change what you love. It's about keeping sacred the things that make video games great. A rule for radicals will tell you that what must be changed has to be on the line for not just discussion but absurd amounts of critique. You have heard about a loaded question, right? How about this:
If you break down the entire question, it contains an assumption after assumption - not just about the subject but implies that it's wrong. If you engage you will realize you are competing with an ideologue and they're not setting up discussion for the sake of discussion, they're hoping to force people to give up what they love by implying it's harmful to love, among other things. If you love a single thing in this nightmare called CURRENT YEAR, must do the impossible task of justifying it. And that's not how love works. We devote endless words to illustrating the power of love and the subject we glean love by but it never ever gets exacts our love. Simultaneously you will spend more time hitting a brick wall that wants you to leave behind what you love so that it can later selectively choose what you have to like in gaming.

So what about the discussion itself? Don't treat a rigged game like those discussions seriously. If they're a brainwashed idiot, they will have to realize the absurdity of their love-less mindset. If they're an ideologue, they're looking for a fight where all the winning outcomes are set. In order to respond, you have to break their rules. This is why on old Holla Forums people just spammed the threads with rule 34 while the faggot squirmed and kept saying you're proving my point ad nauseum. The only winning movie is not to play, but to win for sure, you must destroy their game before they destroy more of yours.

Good job. You just limited a video game character down to fap material and armed SJWs with the idea they ideological want to put forward; that all sexy video game characters are just for adolescent boys to get off too. You played their game so well you did the job for them. This is what Yuri called an useful idiot. If you seriously believe that you're a sad individual and your spirit has been sucked out.

That's because the way a video game makes you feel IS' the reason why video games are good. Do you realize you're throwing away the very essence of what makes games great by facilitating the change that alters how people talk about and enjoy games? Video games are entertainment. It doesn't need and shouldn't need 'reals before feels.' Why would you want that in the first place? Think about that for second. You seriously believe that video games need to be interpreted in a realistic context before anything else. You are sickened with the very disease destroying gaming because you not only enable it but you participate in it. You have become the problem. And you are using the things you once loved against what's left of it.

You tried but you need to do better. The reason why SJWs were thoroughly effective with breaking into gaming was because that's the rationale that developers stooped too when they were under attack by cynical hipsters. The SJWs invented things to be hurt by which included sexy characters and other things that go under their umbrella ideology.
That's why they want to change what you enjoy by selectively choosing what does end up getting made. Do not play their game by playing into their game. Continue to enjoy games and celebrating them in your own way.

Because we saw what they did?

Because he makes bad decisions?

Self-promotion?

To get clicks?

Any of those "sources" say Boudicca fought in battle?

Bravo. You found two chubby chasers that know how to draw. This totally disproves the universal beauty standard.

My oh my, you found three in 6000+ years of human history.

The "objective idea of beauty" is tall and slim. Fat has always been ugly. Nothing contradictory about that. All you've got is three artists, two of which were known to have a fetish for fat women.

Yet the Egyptian statues depict Egyptians that were brown, so I, again, fail to see what this has to do with "tall and slim" ideal.

Bravo, nice strawman. I guess "healthy" flew right over your demented head.

Because none of those have anything to do with instinctual attractiveness? We like slim women, we like tall women, we like women with symmetrical faces.

This has been a constant for the whole of human history, across every location on Earth.

None of this has anything to do with clothing, or hoes, or hairy vaginas, or tanned skin. You're constantly trying to step outside the definition so you can pretend its malleable.

I don't know, you tell me.

No, they're not. There are specific fetish videos that do focus on short girls, as well as those that focus on abnormally tall ones.

[citation needed]

You never specified the magazine. Or the year. Care to link the article to see who wrote it?

I bet it's a woman.

I like you user.I can condense everything you said in one gif

Sorry for some typos I haven't had my morning coffee yet.

I agree 100% with your .gif

So? What's wrong with that?

Is Edward Cullen anything but a masturbatory fantasy for women?

Why do I need to invent 2deep4u reasons to appreciate a woman with big tits? Why the fuck do I have to care about the opinion of mentally ill leftists?

Should I cower in front of their self-righteous indignation, should I preface everything on attractive female leads with "She's hot looking but…"?

No, it's people like you that are useful idiots. You have let the leftists frame the argument as they chose and put you on the defensive. Now it's you that have to come up with reasons to justify yourself and explain why attractive things are attractive.

See how dumb you are? And what's worse, you're busy castigating your allies instead of telling the leftists to go fuck themselves.

So saying Tifa is a hot piece of booty is wrong why exactly?

Rhetorical questions are asked to prove a point. In this case, it was to answer your question about why Romans would write things like that when it might cause others to fight the Roman Empire.

Given the accounts of her husband and daughters existing, along with coins being discovered that had her husband's name on them, Boudicca may very well have existed. But the evidence for her leading the charge doesn't look very well-substantiated.

I'd like to think that she did and that it was awesome, but two accounts from secondary sources and no primary sources is dodgy at best.

Got anything besides Boudicca?

Not that it even matters since he has still to provide evidence for his initial claim, that Boudicca actively engaged in battle.

All he's done so far is regurgitate the wikipedia article and be obtuse on purpose.

I'm not a DoA fanboy myself, but considering femitards end goal is for all none ladwhale female characters to wear burkas i'd say that any advance those evil bitchis make in the desexualization front is worthy of being behemothly opposed

You don't?

back to facebook with you Tyrone

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たのしわ、　たのしだよ。

Realest nigga on this board right now. My deepest respect is yours.

I need to step up my jap learning game

I tried really hard to understand your confused post but then I realized you never understood mine and that's where the confusion lies.

On the contrary user, it's the question itself that's the idiocy. These leftists are the ones questioning the beauty itself as if there was anything wrong with it. Again I reiterate I don't think you understood my post very well and although I admit to some typos I still think you should be able to understand it.

Did you also fap to Lara's triangular pointy tits?

Seriously you sheep who belive in all this "X character is nothing but a sex object" bullshit are cultural cancer
Hpw the fuck would someone be able to fap to such low polygon models?
I liked tifa cus she was fast and bad ass enough to take nothing but her fist to fight when the boys around her took gatling arms and guillotine swords.
And the only reason i ever fapped to FF characters was because the stories of said character made me want to fap to them.
I was never atracted to Garnet, Tifa, or Rinoa but their love stories certainly made their character apealing to me, had those love stories not been in the game to begin with i would have never have fapped to them
In fact, i can't even stand Doujins where any of this chicks are fucking with anyone other than the man they love (Zidane, Cloud, Squall) yet you boil down me fapping to their love stories to me fapping to their low polygon tities

Seriously go fuck yourself

I understood it perfectly. You're telling user he's being a bad goyim for saying he likes Tifa because she has big tits, and that this is somehow limiting (as in, oppressing) this poor pixelated woman.

You're implying there is something wrong with liking a character because she happens to be attractive.

Mandukhai Khatun. Found out about her here on Holla Forums many months ago in one of those "Female Armour" topics (since they always devolve into "Bikini armour's unrealistic? We'll so is having a woman fight!") after some user brought her up (some one used Joan of Arc as an argument, when someone corrected him and said she didn't actually fight, but told him examples that did) .

It means exactly what the sub says, although it looks like user made the mistake of writing わ instead of は, because it's spoken as wa when used as an article.

And once again, no sources, just your claims and namedropping. You don't even give an article of proof.

At least you could have had the brains to ask whatever leftist shill duped you for sources instead of slurping his semen like the good goy you are.

Don't localization teams get paid more the more changes they make to a game? That's a pretty big motivator.

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Mate, it's not that fucking hard. Find an article that has footnotes and references, put the link in the post, put the section of text relevant to your point in the post and enjoy the assravage.

Look, I'll do it for you

www.user-is-a-dumb-cunt.com

I hadn't actually heard of this one before.

Preliminary Google-fu work pulls a lot of Tumblr and shaky sources. As I said in , we ask for your sources in order to work with the same information you're working with.

She says tanoshi wa tanoshidayo, it doesn't make much sense.

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What's wrong with it? It doesn't spy on you like Google.

Actually, a shocking number of girls I know like X-2 exclusively because they're sexist and wanted an all female party. They played older Final Fantasies, but X-2 is the best because stronk womyn.

There is no other argument. The other guy's a fucking retard who doesn't understand basic biology. If you have extra estrogen, you have less testosterone, making it harder to build muscles among other things. Not to mention we have a prime example of women being different even when being trained: we had 2 women pass the US Rangers exam, out of 10. And the standards had to be lowered because they failed the first time.

thanks man

That's a fucking great picture.

Actually, /g/ proved that it was a honeypot last year.

You'd have to ask them for sources, unfortunately. I didn't save them, but reading through them spooked me enough to switch to startpage.com.

Sure it does.

Funny is funny.

Or, to make it sound a little less awkward in english, fun things are fun.

I hope you aren't serious.

Means fun
Particle for topic marker
Shortened for desu (to be)
You can translate it as "isn't it" or to give greater impact to the sentence.

Confused ne with yo at the end there.

Yeah, I couldn't much on her. Maybe it's a lie.

What about the Tru'ng Sisters?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trưng_Sisters
asianhistory.about.com/od/vietnam/p/The-Trung-Sisters-Heroes-of-Vietnam.htm
helloworldciv.com/the-trung-sisters-double-trouble/

If you even bothered to read my post, I admitted that it was natural that all eras with different ideas of what was beautiful would tend to think "ideal weight" (which exact definition varies from time to time, but only slightly; it is never unhealthy, though) was beautiful, but some time periods may not adhere to this standard. This is often indicative of an anomaly in said time period, but that doesn't change the fact that, unless your ego is so big that you think your idea of beauty is the correct one, it somewhat hints at beauty being an ever changing concept, even if some things tend to be a certain way for most of the time.

Two prominent artists with a lot of people that appreciated their art. When a lot of people have a fetish, is it still "just a fetish"?

By the way, tall hasn't always been the standard. For example, Marilyn Monroe is considered the embodiment of the beauty standards of her time, and she was just 5'5", which is not exactly short but also not specially tall. Petite has also been a beauty standard.

It's hard not to be tan when you are a Mediterranean, despite Holla Forums trying to redefine Egyptians as some sort of people that might as well have been from Norway. Anyway, how do you explain the European Victorian beauty standard was pale as fuck, while modern and Egyptian standards are quite tan?

The premise was "beauty is objective", like taken straight out of a Plato dialogue. My position was "it is relative because it can't be measured", but some other user jumped in with an infographic about how fatness has been generally seen as ugly across the ages. That's fine, but I should be the one asking that question: how the fuck does a specific case prove the general concept when there are cases where this clearly doesn't hold true?

I was talking about paleness, you braindead fuck. It wasn't even implied, it's explicitly placed about an assertion about skin color.

Speak for yourself.
That's true, but more often than not it's because there is something really wrong with a person whose body asymmetry passes a certain threshold. People find women wearing asymmetrical clothing attractive as well, so symmetry isn't exactly an inherent attribute of beauty. Fuck, the Fibonacci Spiral isn't symmetrical and it is often pointed out as a symbol of perfection in art.

Anyway, those can generally be attributed to health and lifestyle/social class. Thin women tend to be healthier or have enough time to do exercise, tall women probably (not taking into account genetics) had a better nourishment during their childhood, and if you look grotesque chances are you have some serious illness.

No. If beauty is objective, then that means it can be measured or compared, and that it's constant as long as the constants of our universe remain stable. That means it can be optimized in a game of minmaxing to create the "objectively most beautiful X" (let X be woman in this case). However, that's fairly difficult when you have different cultures in this day and age that differ on details as pubic hair, skin color and even width of their jaw. You can't create a single image of the perfect woman and present it across all ages and cultures and be succesful in appealing the majority or even the wisest people of that moment.

I'm not stepping outside the definition, it is you who is presenting a specific case as a justification for a general rule. Step up your game, define the exact concept of ultimate beauty and end this argument once for all.

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JAV actresses usually range from 5'0" to 5'8", in a bell curve somewhat shifting towards the shorter end than the taller one. The average for women in Japan is 5'2", which is short for western standards. It's not a fetish, it's just how Japanese women are.

Fuck, it's hard to find a specific article on this, but most mention that she was quite the "sexual revolutionary" (aka slut). The specific article I read mentioning her amount of lovers was a local newspaper that isn't even written in English.

I will link you to a review of the movie about her life, though.
mdc.edu/asa/student/samplepapers/b6_frida_kahlo_a_perfect_surrealism.html
Which implies she had several lovers. She cucked Trotsky himself, by the way.

archive.is/OSJwx
Written by Maxim Staff in 2009. I guess it was some sort of democracy thing.

They hate 2D, the more realistic it is the more they love it.

No, they did not. You keep saying that but artistic depictions constantly get in your way. You've only managed to dig up three artists with a fetish for "healthy at every size".

By all means, give proof. You've yet to present anything resembling evidence. Just your shitty claims.

[citation needed]

And we're back to outliners. Man, you sure love to pretend they somehow disprove the standard for some reason.

That has nothing to do with them being representative of the beauty standard. Picasso is popular too, there's whole (popular) art styles that focus on anything but the human body.

That's the average height for women in the US.

It's a fetish. It's not a standard unless the overwhelming majority of people agree it's desirable.

Your stupidity does show. Egyptians were an ethnicity wholly separate from all the others.

No, all Holla Forums claims is that some Egyptian pharaohs had blond and red hair, which further emphasized how different they were from all their neighbors.

Holy shit are you goddam fucking stupid. I specifically' mention that the beauty standard only encompasses their height, weight and symmetry, and yet here you are, again'', vomiting shit about skin color.

Yet all cultures, throughout all of human history, in every place on Earth depict the same female shape as desirable. All you have to argue with is three artists with a fetish. Marvelous.

And I've already said that skin color doesn't enter the equation. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted a macro with statues of Egyptians, now would I you complete cretin?

Yeah, they're fucking ugly. That's the word normal, sane humans that didn't study liberal arts use. Ugly. Look it up in the dictionary.

It is in human faces. I still marvel you're insane enough to think clothing and human faces are somehow similar.

In terms of placement of elements you deluded lunatic. When will you stop grasping at straws?

But just a while ago you were claiming that aristocratic women were fat and hence that's why they got the bigger share of depictions in art.

I feel like I'm punching a retarded child, which I guess you are, what with being a leftist and all.

And JAVs are made with the Japanese market in mind. So relative to the average Japanese woman they are tall.

Those fetish videos feature women in the 140cm range, and lower.

It still fits the definition of tall, slim and symmetrical face.

Bravo. Just, fucking bravo.

:^)

Just kill yourself, please.

Look up their staff roster. They have more female editors there than male ones.

So there, mystery solved. Mentally ill cunts pick a popular woman they feel isn't threatening to them as the number one. Ever wonder what happened to all the hot actresses (ala Audrey Hepburn) of old? Well, they were deemed too pretty, and since women are the biggest consumers the Jews now only cast ugly, mutated cunts like pic related.

This is what happens when the beauty ideal is made to be relative by thirsty betas such as yourself.

Some of them are, but some of them aren't. They're certainly not the prettiest that I've seen though.

Why do they all have huge lower jaws?

1. Hollywood is full of homosexuals, so they usually cast women with manly features;
2. Hollywood is full of Jews, so they cast uglier women to not drive the female shekel away;
3. Hollywood is full of Marxists, so they cast these mutants to prove beauty isn't objective, and call them pretty all the while. Also, pic related.

The pain

Almost like you could turn it off in every single DOA if it actually triggers you.

Holy shit, you are dense.

Ariana Grande, Sexiest Woman in the World of 2015 according to FHM, just 1.53m. She kind of looks like a schoolgirl/Japanese idol.

Not to mention men tend to like women that are shorter than them (look it up if you haven't observed this phenomenon, which you should if you had an IQ over 50), so the ideal height is, shockingly, relative.

They still lived in a zone not exactly known for abundant cloudy days or longest nights. It was difficult not to get a tan.

If beauty is objective, you can't claim beauty only applies to the stuff you have deemed "safe", specially considering the stuff you are mentioning is more related to utility than health. Do tell why a tall, thin and symmetrical woman with really small eyes looks ugly when that's not supposed to be part of the beauty standard.

Then how can beauty be objective if different societies find different things beautiful, except things regarding health which are pretty much bound to be desirable because nobody wants a partner who could die young?

Did I say otherwise? They are mutant, chances are they aren't even healthy, of course people won't find them beautiful.

Alright, forget about women, you dense fuck. The original assertion was "there is an universal, objective concept of beauty". Do define said universal, objective concept of beauty, you intellectual onanist armchair philosopher.

Alright, have you defined it? I will assume you couldn't, or otherwise you would be hailed as the next big thing in philosophy and not shitposting in Holla Forums. Let's assume you are defining the universal objective beauty standard of women instead, and it only applies to the three components you mentioned before. If it applies only to certain attributes, why is it that Sera from Dragon Age, who is average sized, thin and symmetrical is fucking horrible? Your definition wasn't that good if women who follow those standards can still be considered pretty, just like women who don't follow some of those standards (more specifically, the height standard) can also be considered pretty by a huge amount of the population.

The Fibonacci spiral balances components, but it is not symmetrical. This means humans are allowed to find asymmetrical things beautiful, too, even if it doesn't necessarily apply to all things. The idea of beauty isn't as generic or universal as you think.

I was talking about today's standards. When most women are starving and only the "elite" women can afford food, people may change their idea of what the ideal weight is, since actually having some fat cushion can prevent starvation in difficult periods. It's all about what's more likely to kill you.

Relative to Japanese women, they are average. Average still does not equal tall. Chances are height isn't even factoring in the equation of beauty you are talking about as much as you think.

You first, faggot.

Where did you find that information? I can't find it anywhere.

I will give you a clue: there are certain things that humans generally find more appealing, and not necessarily because of utilitarian reasons. However, as much as the vast majority of people will agree, it is not "objective", quite the contrary: we have learned to like those things because they remind us of things. Two of your "beauty guidelines" are mainly related to utility, the other is more bound to this reason. It is also one of the reasons people find certain chords to sound ugly.

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You're inserting your own meaning into what he posted and into what I posted and you sound very troubled. Please do yourself a favor and seek healing.

Both are great. I like Ninja Gaiden and Senren Kagura. Ryu being my main in DoA5.

I analyze everything so I know exactly why I like it and can find more of it. Knowing why something appeals to me or why I love it so much makes me truly appreciate how good something may be. Someone might disagree with what I find appealing about something, but that's fine. Everyone has different views of things and sharing them can bring us to a broader understanding of certain concepts. Why certain things may or may not appeal to others.

Hyper-sexualistion and over-sexualiastion are buzzwords made by insecure people. Journos always go back to that word to try and censor everything down to their level.

That's like saying you can't put into words why you don't think something tastes good or why certain things feel good.

If you feel strongly about your opinion, you should be ready to defend it. If you have no defenses for your opinion, then that means you need a better understanding of why you hold that opinion or maybe your opinion might not be that logical, assuming we're talking about something you can put logic to. It's hard to put logic to something like a fetish besides "I just like it". Because fetishes are abnormal in general.

Imagination. Just like how people used to (or still) fap to sprites.

All just conjecture, but obviously it's a PR thing.
I think they're just trying to avoid being in the spotlight if the media decides to jump on the feminist "videogames are all sexist" bandwagon and someone's game is going to have to be the sacrificial goat to the god of anti-patriarchy in order to fool people that they are being righteous.

I don't see why not. Shit always boosts sales. Like when was the last time a game deemed "sexist" lowered sales? Most games that are usually become successful. Which reminds me, I wonder if the censorship in SFV actually did lower sales. I don't know how they couldn't make their goal despite selling more than a million. It's a fighting game, not a massive RPG or MMO with a billion voiced lines and 50 songs by several famous composers. I doubt the models had the amount of work put into them like KoF13 characters too. Did they really spend that much on marketing?

People who actually stand behind those changes are a bunch of disgusting, greedy motherfuckers who absolutely hate fun and have no respect for other people.

The people who push for those changes are just a bunch of mindless idiots.

Sane != realistic, user.

Peacock is clearly designed in a way that fits with the style of Skullgirls, in that all of them have heads bigger than their torsos except the male characters who are big-chested/just plain huge-bodied, because that's the semi-cute and semi-lewd art style they went with. It's all consistent, and could theoretically be translated to realistic proportions outside the art style, if you wanted to for whatever reason (probably making lewds in a realistic style, inadvisable but possible).

Meanwhile, Jabba on the left there is not only nonsensically-obese in a way that would cripple (or at least severely-limit to the point of not being able to do any physical labor) an actual human being, but the bone structure beneath the lard clearly doesn't make any fucking sense either, even taking into account Borderlands' stylistic choices. Unless she's some kind of horrifying mutant and this was never clarified (I wouldn't know, having never played this shitpile for good reason), there's no way her head should be that small and seated atop shoulders that wide with legs that stubby, as that would mean she looks like the product of several millennia of inbreeding even when thin, like a Tank from Left 4 Dead without the muscle. However, the character that's supposed to be her mother looks perfectly-normal, which raises even more questions as to what, how and why the fuck the design is like this, aside from the obvious answer of "progressives cannot into art, and just make whatever makes them feel good/gives them an erection".

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is… is that dumb faggot saying he'd drape his clothes over the hologram?

They still exist, but Hollywood is trying really hard to push "flat girl with a giant head an ugly face" right now.

They're making a new Tomb Raider film, they could hire Alexandra DaDDario, but do they? No, their choices were Daisy Ridley or Alicia Vikkander.

I fucking hate wealthy pedophiles and jealous old bitches.

It's odd how freedom land keeps trying to kill its self every few decades.

Como on user.

Drove me fucking nuts in Bulletstorm.

Here's some ridiculous Duke Nukem 3d-style over the top shooter featuring a drunk bastard as the player character.

About half way through the game you meet the female character… and is she some big titted bimbo or genuinely useful sidekick?

Well she was, until (cunt related) decided that a stronk independent lesbian who dont need no mammarian tissue or hourglass figure would be more appealing to gamer grills. I mean look at that fucking character bio.

Oh and the character was written to be a sarcastic tv sitcom cunt constantly trashing the player for doing stupid shit which the game gave you no option for….

As in "press X to kick down door". You do it and some bad guys come flying out and she's like "YOU STUPID FUCKINJG IDIOT ASSHOLE!!!11oneone"

Here's another gem
"Yeah?..Well go fuck yourself! You shitpiles give chase I will kill your dicks!"

So basically, because this fucking cunt licked cliffyB's taint while she fingered his prostate, we got a game that started off AMAZING and HIGH ENERGY™, then turned into an annoying shitshow 50% of the way in.

Oh and the planned sequel? Of course, cancelled.

Here was the first game whose sense of humor I enjoyed since Duke Nukem 3D which I played on a FUCKING PENTIUM 75!!!! and some cunt has to menstruate all over it and ruin the entire second half.

idpol thread
why are all millennials the same?

Keep Holla Forums on Holla Forums.

What's the point of women having boobs?

for us to NOT look at? Because that is literally one of the functions they are for.

Boobs and development of boobs tells a male when a female is fertile. It is literally in our nature to stare at tits.

And as for ass, when we were primates the ASSES would swell to tell a male when a female is fertile. So that is also in our nature, a leftover of it.

The human passion for tits and ass cannot be ignored, real or fake.

Found a vid montage.

Fill me with autistic gamer rage some 3 years later.

So the player character is this grizzled daredevil shitlord. You main sidekick is your best friend with an AI implanted into him keeping him alive, and he's desperately trying to fight off the AI portion from taking over his brain.

Interesting characters.

This fucking cunt? Full of "FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD" and rage at giving up her hymen frivolously like all feminist pieces of garbage.

FUCK YOU TANYA JESSEN YOU HORSEFACED NO TALENT CUNT

Just listen to those garbage tier lines the turbodyke spits out. Not one ounce of cleverness.

But this implies that most of the people that frequent this board will ever get laid.

nice projection. getting laid is hardly a feat with how slutty women are these days. I wish I hadn't thrown away my v-card so callously.

I wrote a big post that was hardly about the subject.
Decided against posting it.
Here are some supporting images.

So why?
Political Horseshoe Effect.
The US is the largest consumer of vidya.
The US also has the highest number of Christians on the planet and many have very puritanical views.
They are the reason the statues in castlevania 3 don't have tits.
They're the reason in link's awakening you fish up a necklace for a mermaid instead of a bra.
For the very often puritanical religious far right If you don't agree to their demands you are labeled a degenerate.

The far left meanwhile has taken to censorship under the guise of appearing "progressive".
If you don't give into their demands you are labeled a bigot.

Both fairly displeased by violent and sexual media because moral-grandstanding, ego-tripping, high-horse, prideful bullshit.

Vidya can't get rid of violence.
If videogames could be one genre it would be action, because they are about preforming actions and most of the time the actions taken are in the pursuit of defeating an enemy.

But vidya doesn't have to be sexual so in an attempt to please both extremes of the political spectrum the industry:
etc.

How do we stop it?
We cant.
You can make your own vidya with blackjoke and hookers, but you'd have a hard time selling to all the puritans and SJWs who get really creeped out by sexualized fictional women.

The same can be said about everything in life.

Someone treating you like shit? You might have an impulse to understand the 'why' of it but it doesn't matter, why. Fuck them.

Girlfriend did something you really dont like? End it. Why? It doesn't need a reason! Just end it!

When you go seeking justification it justifies the abuse. Fuck them! Make Video Games Great Again!

At least Laura Croft became more realistic looking. Halo hologram girl looks like they had her all busty like in 2012, but decided to hop on the PC train and photoshop her tits flat

I don't give a shit. Game devs failed to sufficiently appease my trap fetish so everyone else can burn in hell for all I care.

back to tumblr with ya

There are enough games for fags nowadays.

Are you implying there are woman who don't have natural big tits? because if you are you're a retard.

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On the one hand, I'm not a fan of cowtits, so it's nice to see my preference be more common. But that it comes with a wave of other types of sanitation (and usually making the girl look like a man-jawed tranny in the process) is fucking deplorable.

I just want to play as a cute short girl. Is that too much to ask?

SJW and co don't buy games anyway.
But they are able to influence others to maybe not buy it with their moralfaggotry.
As long as they're able to exret such a big influence on the actual playing demographic, you'll have a hard time to sell yout own game.

Nice projection. It's hardly a feat because you're so desperate you whore yourself out.

I lost my shit you glorious fuck

That's irrelevant. Most people still get hard at lewd things.

Great posts, but I also believe these other anons in that if something is worth loving, it's also worth verbally defending.

Though honestly, I think we're better off defending our beloved video games by doing what they won't: preserve it in our own way by way of original content. Whether it goes down to making our own games, or just making tributes to the games we love.

*by doing what our attackers won't

Never, and i mean NEVER forget your enemy, he's the same fucker pushing cheating websites in german television

It adds another layer of enjoyment to the game, beating up someone is fun, but doing it while in a maid outfit is even more fun

I dunno; it sounds harder to play a game with one hand.

This entire discussion is gold, so I'm saving it entirely.

what a nigger

GG here.
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Also, any screecaps of great/informative posts would be helpful.

Thanks bb

help

For me it was both censorship and the fact that the game is an early access for 60$ with barely 1/3 of the previous ones content.

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please stop teasing me

Use iqdb, it's not hard.

No, I'm not Anita. Only that the art style improved as the Tomb Raider franchise progressed. Whereas the Halo Hologram girl looks like a regression in art style.

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Suddenly becoming bland and dirty is your idea of progress?

progressed as in, moved forward. Not necessarily that the reboot has been anything better than mediocre. I couldn't get myself to commit to more than 5 hours on the first one and the sequel, iirc, sold poorly. I bet E3 teases another one just as bland.

for future refence the bump limit is currently 300. So it was reached 13/14 posts ago.