Is there any reason to play the old pokemon games when the remakes exist?

Is there any reason to play the old pokemon games when the remakes exist?
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What are the best pokemon rom hacks?

Liquid Crystal and Pokemon Glazed are better than all the pokemon games released in the past 10 years.

Glazed requires some grinding though

Nostalgia
That is the best reason.

If you want to play the best pokemon games:

Now here is the real question: is there any erotic pokemon hacks?

fag

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for comparisons sake, maybe

Not really. I think some of the sprites are more charming than they are in the remakes but that's about it. It's 90% nostalgia.
Same with Gold/Silver really.

Emerald would be the exception, as it has content the remakes didn't adapt, making it a unique experience.

Yellow has some minor unique twists that the remakes don't use, but it's nothing outstanding to warrant beyond a curious glance in the long run. The biggest is the Pikachu starter vs Gary's Eevee.

Crystal has Kris instead of Lyra. That's about it for Gen 2

Not gen 1 but gen 2 is still the best

IDK why people would want to play the old Pokemons.

Barely anyone plays it anymore, making it for completionists' sake only
Old and outdated mechanics

Anyone agree Rowlet is the best starter so far?

It's like choosing between cancer, aids and malaria

Soundtrack. Aesthetic. Funny jokes that didn't carry over to the update for some reason.

Hilariously broken as shit game mechanics. charmingly ugly spritework.

i think that headturn is the cutest thing in the world.
hopefully the evolutions won't ruin it

Yellow has the best looking sprites of all games. except for Mewtwo, Yellow's Mewtwo sucks.

I like Popplio
I think that all of the enw starters are cute.

You glorious motherfucker, I never knew I needed this.
I love you.

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I really wish there was a hack to make the music sound normal again. C is a shitty scale.

Gardevoir is the best cosplayvoir.

Not really. The enemy AI is absolute garbage in those games.

The only reason I can think of is to play around of the various glitches in them.


I actually like Litten better but Rowlet is cute. This is the first gen since Gen I where I can honestly say I like all three starters, as opposed to just one or two. **or none*

I am going to need the sauce on those pics

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Mew.

Liquid Crystal is fucking shit, m8

the fucking filenames are right there, you newfag

Sure :^)

Because you're not really playing gen 1 when you play the remakes. You're playing Gen 3 with a coat of Gen 1 on it.

Gen 1 has many "quirks", and it's own Metagame with it's own exploits.

Plus for those of us who weren't sperm when it came out it gives a strong sense of nostalgia, especially when you add in Stadium, which is another thing the remakes can't do (they have Colo and XD, but those aren't really the same thing other than the letting you battle with your mons on a tv thing).

I just played through the original cart recently with a friend and don't regret a second of it.

Plus discovering Amneisa Snorlax with Psychic is better than Mewtwo blew my fucking mind retroactively over an almost 20 year time period.

Except mewtwo can also use amnesia.

Yellow was never remade. Very strange to me.

Between the shit movepools, Special being a single stat, and Psychic being the God type, there isn't much of a metagame to speak of, especially when Alakazam and Mewtwo are two of the fastest Pokemon. Crits are dictated by speed status.

And Gen 1's "quirks" are mostly bugs or pants on head retarded mechanics. Shit like the eternal wrap or ghost being bugged so psychics are actually immune to it.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Well stronger than Base the Mewtwo you encounter. But yeah in Meta it wouldn't stack up.


user, the meta is thin, but it's there. It's nothing compared to today, but you can certainly build a few teams, some checks and counters (at least so long as you ban Mewtwo). It's a thing, don't try and act like it isn't.

I played the original recently and it was still pretty fun. One reason is certain things being harder like legendaries being more difficult to catch if you want a challenge.

They look atrocious.

But it is, a lot of the tiles are wrong, the sprites are bad, and the music is bad. Not to mention it's still unfinished.

It could be worse.
It could have more Digimon features.

Absolutely.

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As much as I love gen 1, the games aged so poorly there really isn't any reason to play them aside from fucking around with the tons of bugs in-game. Still it's neat getting a lvl 7 Gyarados/Gengar during your first visit to mt.moon.

I've been enjoying it thus far. I just got to Eurateak City.
What are some good romhacks you'd recommend?

I would glaze a Pokemon, if you know what I mean

Plus if you want to transfer Gen 1 mons to Sun/Moon via 3DS VC.

Get with the times old man.


They did however bring the best feature in it over to HGSS.


Look at that Entei wannabe.


Still curious if they'll let you trade over any glitchy shit over to the new games.

I'd love to see what a team of 6 of them can do online.

Is there any reason to play the old DOOM games when the remakes exist?

Easy there bucko, don't want you to hurt self with that edge you're holding.

yeah, its animations are a hoot arent they?

Best version.

I enjoyed FRLG quite a bit, especially the Sevii Islands, but they were my first pokemon games so I'm biased


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It's the best of the three, but goddamn it looks fanmade. There's something about it that looks… expressionless. Like its eyes are cold and dead.

I'm honestly not planning to buy this gen, unless they do something to fix up the series' twenty-year-old flaws - but, even then, I'd rather wait for a few weeks after release to see if it's better than XY.

yeah, the only pokemon games i really enjoy are the spinoffs.

old games give a different sense of scale due to scenery being sized differently with the graphical limitations; also having no run button.
gen 1/2 have a lot of bullshit in them due to coding mistakes, which someone could potentially like, meaning that a reason exists, even if it's not necessarily a very good one

Gen 1/2 and Gen 3 onward are literally two completely different games, when you get down to it. Off the top of my head


I'm sure I'm forgetting/intentionally ignoring some improvements from Gen 2, but there's only so much you could do with Gen 1's broken engine. Say what you will about Gen 3, but that system was built to last for the most part. It's a shame about Hidden Power Fairy though.

The music in the remakes is shit, I don't know what they were thinking with that soundfont. RSE had much better music in-spite of the overuse of trumpets.

Other than that there's no real reason to go for the originals outside of nostalgia or a preference for more simplicity.

I guess Kamen Rider RX ripped off Digimon then

Honestly, after researching so many, there aren't any I'd ever recommend. Many are either primative, do too many dumb things (new unneeded types), add new Pokemon that aren't charming or attractive in design, don't do anything new, or are just unfinshed. I'm personally waiting for Pokemon Prism to finally get released, but that might be years from now considering how it has been in-dev for a few years now. If anything try Pokemon Brown out, it is by the guy who is doing Prism.

It's the first time that I probably choose a grass type to play the game.

Well, if we're talking about unfinished Pokemon games… what about Sage? How have they been coming along?

I dunno and that isn't a romhack, its RPG Maker

Oh yeah, you're right. My bad.
Well, since my first Pokemon was Silver and I haven't gone to Johto in well over a decade, I think I'm gonna keep playing Liquid Crystal.
And they're all shit? You can't recommend a single good pokemon romhack?

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I don't think they're all shit its just that many of them have reasons for me not to try them out, mostly because they're all unfinshed/in progress or don't do things like Gen I/II romhacks adding special/physical splits, types up to Gen VI types, etc.

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I'd probably recommend Pyrite and XY: Naturia, but that's it.

user, why would you link this to me?

Because

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Well Red/Blue and Crystal have their source code released, so they're stupid easy to mod.

So Rom Hacks and Nostalgia really. Also, the entire full Gen 1+2 experience is pretty great.

Get yourself Pokemon Stadium 1+2, a Gen 1 game, a Gen 2 game, and you're gonna have a lot of fun.

WOAH, WHAT THE FUCK, WHY DIDN'T I KNOW ABOUT THIS

Fuck that game and its stupid OC rivals that show up to battle when your actual rival was supposed to, then leaving and have you fight your actual rival WITH NO BREAK.

Killed my nuzlocke run because I foolishly thought the game was trying to be faithful to the originals.

>plus has a bunch of shit from gen 6 that I don't know about since I never played it
I think I'm beginning to see the problem.

That threw me for a loop too, but fortunately Silver is such a pushover that I almost welcomed the back to back fights.

Too hard for you babby?

Nuzlockes are build for normal pokemon games because they're too easy, this game is already hard by itself

Red&Blue: github.com/huderlem/pokered/

Crystal: github.com/pret/pokecrystal

If you can learn your way around it you can pretty much do whatever you want with it.

I've been changing Pokemon types, adding new moves and Pokemon, and decapitalizing everything.

Also messed up

github.com/pret/pokered

THIS is the proper Red&Blue one

When do you plan to add Pokemon fugging?

I just want to be a cute girl doing cute things, if you catch my drift.

I nuzlocke shit like Volt White just fine, but this game had me grinding my ass off because experience gain was so slow and then with the curveball back to back fights it was just too much.

Honestly, I wasn't too interested in doing a normal run either because of how stupid the OCs were anyway. Just flat one dimensional characters with BR translations like the rest of the romhacking scene was seeping into the G/S scripts.

Perhaps I'm just bitter. I loved my slowpoke.

I just enjoyed the fight he put up.

I'm also incredibly biased in that, while I hate stupid OCs from other video games, Axel's battle theme is probably my favorite KH song by far and that completely redeems any battles I have with him.
Sorry.

All I'm saying is if you're going to shoehorn a nigger into a remake romhack at least have the decency to write him as well as a normal pokemon character. That shit ain't even hard, just start lifting lines from some Nick Jr show or something.

Are you forreal or do you have brain damage?

That's understandable.
I thought it was dumb, but I just rolled my eyes and kept playing. As far as romhack characters go, it could've been much worse.

Are you just trying to shitpost now or can you legitimately not read?


Believe me, I've played Pokemon Naranja. I know it gets bad.

It's not source code, its disassembly.

Also please tell me you figured out how to add the physical/special split to Gen II. That's the one thing I want to do with a romhack.

Since Sun and Moon is taking place in a Hawaii setting, does this mean it'll have alot of cute brown girls?

NEW POKEMON REVEALED
its a dog

source:
youtube.com/watch?v=9WxCKssPs3E
~12 seconds in

I'm actually kinda interested to see where the clown seal goes. And regardless it's gonnna shit all over the grass starter since it'll probably be able to learn ice beam so say hello to Quad Weaknesses.

Also it's too fucking smug not to love. I'm a sucker for that kinda shit.

or at least i think its a dog

this game makes me want to kill myself

Phoebe is the only cute one there

I saw a meowth in the other trailer in the player's huse.

I think this might be an eevee? But it's legs are too long. The red and white "horns" are probably just the legs of the person standing next to it.

Has royal egyptian Black jynx instead of shitty gay purple

DO IT

Man, it feels weird to actually explore in a pokemon game.

What the fuck?

fuck yeah people saved that screenshot I made and cropped

It's apparently easy, and I know people have done it before.

hax.iimarck.us/forum/18/

This place has the most documentation and shit on them, try looking there.

I really need to use my Flipnote Studio 3D more often…

Unless, you're very curious, the GB-GBA games are lacking a lot of features new players take for granted, and I can see this being a frustrating thing to adapt to. Are you new to the series? If so you might want to play the remakes for trying the old ones as a curiosity.

I personally like every title since the beginning, but that's just me.

Other way around, are there any reason to play the remakes when the originals exist? Or really any of the games at all when Gensou Ningyou Enbu does the same gameplay but improved in just about every way?

Yeah, if it's not a shitty remake.

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I don't understand modern pokemon

There was Toxic Purple but the project was dropped iirc. You were a grunt that started with a ratata.

It's a stylized lion. What's so hard to understand about that? Other than why anyone thought it'd be a good idea

no nigga look at that face, raikou shoved his face so far up starmies butt it came out the other side and they became a new pokemon like Slowpoke+Shellder=Slowbro

Thankfully this particular game should be fine.

Does it matter whether it's a remake? All the games are basically the same anyway; sure, the maps look different, the pokemon have different names, but does it really matter what the "bird pokemon" and the "flower pokemon" are really called? Does it really matter if the rock gym comes before the grass gym?

As for the first gen, I have fond memories of them, but I would never want to play them again. They are so… fucking… slow… everything takes forever. Even opening a menu has like a second of delay. Walking is so slow. Dialogue cannot be skipped. Yes, I would like you to heal my fucking pokemon you bitch, why the fuck else would I ever talk to you? If you drive your bike into one of those houses that separate the maps you get off the bike and you have to go back into the menu and equip it again. And if you didn't read the menu you wouldn't know that you can move items around with the Select button, so you would have to dig around for your bike in that huge unordered mess that is your backpack.

Seriously, if you want to play an old game at least play gen 2. They added so many convenience improvements to make the game more playable.

You know my pain with Sierra then

I tried but it ended being really crap

Itd be cool if Owls hidden ability makes it immune to ice

holy autism

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Is Link&Zelda dead or something? Or do they have a life now?

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…. yes?

that is an owl when you're not petting it.

Granted, the Sun legend's face isn't very lion-like (or cat-like at all, really), but it's nothing like Raikou's, either. Look at them side by side, there's not a single element in common between them face-wise, and nothing overall beyond them both being big cats.

Sun legend's also swole as fuck, which is why I might choose him despite loving bats.

Choose wisely.

They're all shit except sphericowl

I'm choosing Zippocat.

Oldfags will get the reference

I choose squirtle

GEEWUN
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Gold, Silver and Crystal were better than the remakes and had actual casinos.


Holy smokes, you're super gay.

The Japanese version of HGSS actually has slot machines, but unfortunately not that roulette-esque game.


Cat because cat. Too bad it's no Espurr.

Does anyone think they should add another pro-wrestling pokemon?
GF already made American pro-wrestling and lucha libre but whats missing is a puroresu style.

Pretty much what said, though it should be noted the source code wasn't released per se, just reversed engineered.

All in all though, it's just fun to tinker with them and see what happens.

Is there any reason to play the old Chex Quest games when a remake is in the works?

Thanks for the reminder

I really want to replay diamond, but everything is so goddamn slow.
Is platinum definitively better than D/P?
that's all I want, just diamond but better.

It is.

i didnt even know that existed

they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel if they're remaking a game that was given away for free in cereal boxes

There are a few points where it comes short, like no wild Murkrow or Misdreavus, or some sprites looking weird due to just being the moving sprite from their DP version, such as Golbat and Scyther.

Overall, though, Platinum is much better than DP. It actually makes use of all those evolutions DP introduced but never took advantage of during the strory.

You forgot to mention better tilesets, improved surf speed, sprites being generally better looking, Giratina Origin forme, etc.

It's a project the original dev is doing for free.
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R U SRS, guise?

Blaze black/Volt White 2 and Sacred Gold/Storm Silver were the goshdarn bees knees.

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New pokegirl a best

How does it come to the conclusion that it's trans so quickly?

Why?

the look of mental retardation and complete lack of dress sense gives it away.

I'm not an oldfag but I get the reference.

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to think that used to be hard thing for me to look at

now i don't care

To me, Machamp feels more Japanese than American. I haven't payed attention to Pokken though. Maybe he has more of an American style there.

espurr sucked

the meowstics are nice though

Your taste sucks unless you mean BST-wise.

They do seem to be based on pro-wreslters but its never mentioned which style, so i can assume that its mostly American style.
Also forget to mention if they can add a joshi pokemon as well.

I want to fug gondola

I think it would be safer to assume it's Japanese style, then, especially considering gen I takes place in Kanto, which is an actual Japanese region. That's not even taking into account his looks, which remind me more of a Japanese strongman, rather than an American showman.

Like you said though, the style is never mentioned.

midget wrestler pokemon when

Gods, I swear I'll kill them all.

But why?

Oh my god, please tell me the Gen 1 attitude is back for real

Ezio owl is pretty slick.

Fire panther is a little on the generic side but otherwise pretty good.

Can't sleep, Clown Seal will eat me.

What the fuck, please tell me these are real

Maybe you're right on the Japanese strongman, though they should add more styles since they have added Hawlucha who's style is lucha libre.
Also wouldn't mind seeing a pokemon based on Nakamura.

These have to be fake.
The reason?
Gamefreak wouldn't make anything this cool.

Eziowl
OR
Ezio Owlditore

God dammit these are way too cool to be real.

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I guess that matches the leak that it'll be water/fighting

for what purpose?

same reason there's no Zangoose in Emerald
They want you to buy a second game/ convince your friend to buy it so you're forced to trade

Sadly for all of us, this is doomed to be fake.

What a sad life to live in

Do you see what I see?

You can in pokemon yellow if you use a glitch

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Sorry user, you're just retarded

Please kill yourselves

Oh shit they took some blurry pictures at an angel so they must be real

I never said trading wasn't legitimate, but I did say single player.
That means no outside influences like trading or mystery gift

I'd rather do it myself and keep my extra shekels at the same time

They don't look over designed at all, what are you on about?

They look way more creative than the blandness of Gen 1 tho.

They have versions of Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan, so why not?

>tfw there will never be a pokemon of the cream of the crop, tower of power too sweet to be sour who puts you in the danger zone, makes you snap into a slim jim, and makes the madness run wild

They need a Pokemon that can run wild on you brother

Voice of the Voiceless NEVER EVER

Nope, there never will be. It's why GF always make two versions, so they can decide which "version exclusives" to put in each, and which to take out in any possible third version/sequel. You would then have to get a previous game to complete the dex in that generation.

But also, you can only complete a dex for your generation
you will never ever be able to all encompass every generation's one-off or legendary pokemon

I just looked into what EVs and IVs were.
Holy shit, I had no idea there was so much depth in training.

It's actually boring and pointless once you've autismed through it

All the cool glitches.
Pure nostalgia.
Liking hideously broken games (broken in the mostly good way though)

Fire panther is definitely gen two.
Clown Seal looks like a combination of Gen 4 (body and color scheme; it totally looks like a Empoleon who forgot leg day) and Gen 5 (that fucking face). You might compare the face to genwun's Gengar, but that's only the smile. Gengar looks mischievous with only a hint of malice, this seal looks like its going to devour your children.
Ezio Owlitore is diffcult to classify, but I would put it in Gen 3 if only because he looks like Blaziken. Still, he looks nothing like a Pokemon.

All in all, I think it's fake. Clown seal is the only Pokemon to look like a $CURRENT_YEAR GameFreak design. Fire panther is way too simple since it's a fucking regular panther with two red stripes (not even genwun's designs were this fucking bland), and Eziowl, as cool as it is, looks nothing like a Pokemon.


IVs are fucking tourneyfag cancer of the worst kind since the only sane way to raise all of them to their max values is cheating with PokeSAV and you pretty much need them maxed out unless you want to fight with a handicap. EVs are just plain autism, but at least perfectly attainable by anyone, specially after Gen 5.

IVs are the worst mechanic to deal with. They're like the genetics of pokemon, some will be the strongest, and others are doomed to be the weakest. EVs and natures are easier to deal with, at least. It's pointless nowadays, though. Nothing fun in the postgames anymore, only reason people would deal with all that is tourneys.

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What I don't understand is why IVs aren't more heavily genetically influenced. Just plain genetics ain't bad, but only a few of them get randomly passed down and the rest are randomly given out.
Not to mention there is hardly any way to know what the IVs you cooked up are without cheating or round-a-bout ways that require cheating in order to do efficiently.

There is a dude that tells you if your Pokemon has max/min IVs and you can make sure that more IVs are passed from the parents if one of them is holding a Destiny Knot

The originals have charm and connection to a better time. The remakes are a mockery of the original games.

Is anyone here concerned if Sun and Moon will get localized?
I know that 8-4 and Treehouse won't localize this but do you think SJWs and journos will bully GF on to censoring the characters that are problematic?

user, Pokemon has been being censored since Gen 1.

It's a kids game, so of course it's going to be censored.

Do you play Pokemon for the plot or characters or something?

All regions get the game with every translation already in it.

So nah, not really, if the english is horrendous then you can just start over on the nip settings.

IVs wouldn't be so bad if they didn't influence stats, because you'd just want them max most of the time anyway, save for the occasional 0 IVs.
I think breeding/genetics can be interesting, but in practice, it's just more tedious than rewarding

Don't ever play Japanese games in English user.

I still think that fire red and leaf green are some of the best pokemon games there are. The original Red, Blue, and Green for you weaboo fucks out there are some of the best and that the remasters on GBA work as great additions
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Is this a golan thread now?
Sauce on that background music?

Does anyone wish they should make a sequel?
If yes, which pokemon should they add to the roster?

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wow, thats something else

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t. rapefugee

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It's better but largely similar. Sinnoh is Sinnoh, but in Platinum there a couple of differences. Levels are bumped up a bit, pokemon availability is improved in some aspects, and there's a new storyline character, although he's not that important. If you want Diamond but better, that's pretty much what Platinum is.

Unless you can put a GB player in Leaf Green and Fire Red, then no, not really. There's Mew, I guess.

Gen 1 feels really different compared to the later games. It's an unpolished, monochrome mess, but it's interesting to see how much has changed. The museum references the moon landing, some trainers have whips, and there's a casino that the new games are excluding.
The remakes are definately better, but you should play the originals as well.

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I think that's the biggest reason I'm enjoying Pokemon less and less since gen III. It's too safe, to the point where it's gotten boring. There aren't any real villains anymore. In Gen I, Team Rocket attempt to steal Cubone skulls and end up killing a Marowak. In Gen II, they cut off Slowpoke tails, force Magikarps to evolve via radio waves, and hold people hostage in a radio tower. Hell, even your rival breaks into the lab to steal his starter Pokemon.

I'm not saying that the Pokemon games should be super edgy or anything, but it would be nice if they had a little snap to them. At the very least the rivals should actually be an antagonist, rather than just some schmuck. What's the point of a rival battle if you're chummy with each other? In Gen II, your rival losing to you (and Lance) eventually leads to him changing his training techniques to be more like you. He mentions noticing them become stronger once he started treating them better. It's especially clear in Heart Gold/ Soul Silver when his Golbat becomes a Crobat. Character development like that just doesn't happen in newer gens, and it's a shame.

This was probably rambley as fuck. I'm tired.

If anyone wants a free Darkrai. I got a spare from fucking Gamestop.

A5Z3-GY5L-YGTN-K5RW

Guess we're going to ignore the bad guy in X/Y tried to literally genocide the Pokemon species. Is that not "edgy" enough or too "edgy" for you? Since there will be no pleasing you

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They should update that list.
Volcarona is fire is strong enough to be a second sun.

Meant to say this.

On the 3DS? So you can have a broken Machamp

Does GF know about this?

They don't try very hard to balance the game

To be fair its hard to balance hundreds of different pokemon, abilities and moves especially when these can vary between generations.


I don't think hed be broken although I'm sure many nooblets would whine about him. Machamp already hits very hard with stab dynamic punch his problem is hes very slow and not super durable. Fissurechamp would be countered fairly easily by most flying types in OU and virtually every single team has at least one flying type/levitator on it.

This.
Though doesn't hurt to try to balance some of the overpowered pokemon. I still doubt it'll happen.

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It's shit man.

I think the art and music are more charming. The gameplay in pokemon games is never fantastic anyway.

And yes, I'm a nostalgiafag.

Suck more dicks. Iris and Shauna blow her shitty tomboy hair the fuck out.

Machamp would be too slow. Even Scarfed, at least in VGC 21016: Mom and Legendary Friends Edition