SOURCE THREAD

Alright, comradicals: I've noticed lately that while Holla Forums has a huge jumble fuck of miscellaneous shit sources, we have next to none. Every once in a while somebody will post a four-hundred page brick as their source which does jack shit but stop the argument, so we need to get something real done.

ITT post sources defending the USSR and other Eastern European countries, Vietnam, China, etc. Even the DPRK. You can lay some books down but don't put down "Grover Furr: The Collector's Set", alright?

Get to sourcing, my comroadies.

(Pics semirelated)

Other urls found in this thread:

marxists.org/archive/bland/1999/x01/x01.htm
busin.biz/library/china/'In Praise of the Maoist Economic Planning - Living Standards and Economic Development in Sichuan since 1931'.pdf
bannedthought.net/China/MaoEra/index.htm
bannedthought.net/China/MaoEra/PoliticalEconomy/FundamentalsOfPoliticalEconomy-Shanghai-1974-English.pdf
marx2mao.com/Other/CRIOC74.html
wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Central_Planning#The_Soviet_Planned_Economy_system_actually_worked_in_terms_of_allocative_efficiency
as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger, 'The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933, SR 91.pdf
as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger, Natural Disaster and Human Actions.pdf
jstor.org/pss/20451229
kropfpolisci.com/environment.capitalism.magdoff.pdf#page=36
petercast.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/western-illusion-beautiful.pdf
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

bumping while I find some

Or we could defend actual leftist societies

[citation needed]

lmao

marxists.org/archive/bland/1999/x01/x01.htm

Tell me bruh what happened to the means of production in these shit holes ?

They were given to the workers in China

[citation needed]

REAL socialism

That's real global capitalism

busin.biz/library/china/'In Praise of the Maoist Economic Planning - Living Standards and Economic Development in Sichuan since 1931'.pdf

bannedthought.net/China/MaoEra/index.htm

bannedthought.net/China/MaoEra/PoliticalEconomy/FundamentalsOfPoliticalEconomy-Shanghai-1974-English.pdf

marx2mao.com/Other/CRIOC74.html

Stop.

sorry not going there


Biased pol tier sources give me news give me national orders anything in to day china

no one thinks china today is socialist

also
you can click on the damn pdfs and see their sources

stopped reading there

Defending from what?

90% of attacks on anything semi-socialist is simply stuff that's hard to disprove. How are you going to prove that Soviets had democracy, if peons don't even know how democracy should look like? Or if the China did not exterminate sparrows - how are you going to prove that? Even if Chinese themselves aren't aware of the event (i.e. actually not having sparrows), or modern scientists can't find any lack of sparrows in modern China - that doesn't prove anything.

Moreover, if something says too blatantly "Socialism was good" - the curtains come down - THAT'S COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA. And that's it. You can't prove that your book you are quoting from is correct. Even officially printed stuff (internationally available; the one that would be instantly turned into propaganda fodder, should it be found false) - even things like that are some abstract books that could be ignored.

Hating Communism is a religion. You don't persuade people. They are not worshipping Reagan, Thatcher, Pinochet, or Hitler because that's "logical". They want father figure (not unlike NatzBols who turned Stalin into some Great Overlord).

...

But they aren't communist, they are state capitalists, see how quick they revert to market socialism to full blown capitalism too.

Have a bunch of sources to add later today.

Here's an idea, if you don't like these countries, maybe post sources defending OTHER parts of the leftist ideology or attacking capitalism, you dense fucks.

strange way of spelling "faggot" OP

They don't like actual Left.

Regular Petit-Bourgeois mindset of people who simply don't feel comfortable being buttfucked by Capitalists. What they want is Capitalism Lite. Except that's not happening. You either go Feudalism or Socialism.


P.s. I think I wasn't clear enough before. Concentrating on disproving things is a road to nowhere. If you want to defend something, post stuff about things that worked. I.e. what you are actually suggesting to do.

ITT no one disproving sources provided and blindly hating things bc the US govt told them to

[Wiki] - wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Central_Planning#The_Soviet_Planned_Economy_system_actually_worked_in_terms_of_allocative_efficiency
[Study - Mark Tauger] - as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger, 'The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933, SR 91.pdf
[Study - Mark Tauger] - as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger, Natural Disaster and Human Actions.pdf
[Debate - Wheatcroft/Davies] - jstor.org/pss/20451229
[Book - Magdoff, F. & Foster, J.B.] - kropfpolisci.com/environment.capitalism.magdoff.pdf#page=36
[Pamphlet/Book - Marshall Sahlins] - petercast.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/western-illusion-beautiful.pdf

Here are just a few links that I have on me atm

>[Debate - Wheatcroft/Davies] - jstor.org/pss/20451229
An interesting one that. Ellman wrote a further reply in which, unable to fight on the genocide as policy front, turned to genocide under national and international law in order to argue around Wheatcroft and Davies.