Alright, comradicals: I've noticed lately that while Holla Forums has a huge jumble fuck of miscellaneous shit sources, we have next to none. Every once in a while somebody will post a four-hundred page brick as their source which does jack shit but stop the argument, so we need to get something real done.
ITT post sources defending the USSR and other Eastern European countries, Vietnam, China, etc. Even the DPRK. You can lay some books down but don't put down "Grover Furr: The Collector's Set", alright?
Biased pol tier sources give me news give me national orders anything in to day china
Wyatt Butler
no one thinks china today is socialist
also you can click on the damn pdfs and see their sources
Asher Gray
stopped reading there
Adrian Nguyen
Defending from what?
90% of attacks on anything semi-socialist is simply stuff that's hard to disprove. How are you going to prove that Soviets had democracy, if peons don't even know how democracy should look like? Or if the China did not exterminate sparrows - how are you going to prove that? Even if Chinese themselves aren't aware of the event (i.e. actually not having sparrows), or modern scientists can't find any lack of sparrows in modern China - that doesn't prove anything.
Moreover, if something says too blatantly "Socialism was good" - the curtains come down - THAT'S COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA. And that's it. You can't prove that your book you are quoting from is correct. Even officially printed stuff (internationally available; the one that would be instantly turned into propaganda fodder, should it be found false) - even things like that are some abstract books that could be ignored.
Hating Communism is a religion. You don't persuade people. They are not worshipping Reagan, Thatcher, Pinochet, or Hitler because that's "logical". They want father figure (not unlike NatzBols who turned Stalin into some Great Overlord).
Owen Richardson
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Adrian Garcia
But they aren't communist, they are state capitalists, see how quick they revert to market socialism to full blown capitalism too.
Angel Watson
Have a bunch of sources to add later today.
Here's an idea, if you don't like these countries, maybe post sources defending OTHER parts of the leftist ideology or attacking capitalism, you dense fucks.
Anthony Ramirez
strange way of spelling "faggot" OP
Jacob Bell
They don't like actual Left.
Regular Petit-Bourgeois mindset of people who simply don't feel comfortable being buttfucked by Capitalists. What they want is Capitalism Lite. Except that's not happening. You either go Feudalism or Socialism.
P.s. I think I wasn't clear enough before. Concentrating on disproving things is a road to nowhere. If you want to defend something, post stuff about things that worked. I.e. what you are actually suggesting to do.
Asher Ortiz
ITT no one disproving sources provided and blindly hating things bc the US govt told them to
>[Debate - Wheatcroft/Davies] - jstor.org/pss/20451229 An interesting one that. Ellman wrote a further reply in which, unable to fight on the genocide as policy front, turned to genocide under national and international law in order to argue around Wheatcroft and Davies.