'Robot automation will crush the revolution' A CEO has warned

How are they going to pay for all those security robots when they're out of business because they don't have anyone to sell their products to because everyone's out of work?

This whole thing is stupid and runs on the neoliberal assumption that the bourgeoisie are great entrepreneurial god-men from whom all value flows and totally aren't dependent on the working masses in any way.

No I'm better then you because I don't browse the most cancerous shithole on the net buddy. Go back.

You're on Holla Forums

Brad Wardell is a tard. What he is essentially saying is that the ruling class will use mass genocide to maintain the capitalist structure, even as the whole thing breaks down due to declining consumption. Well, you don't need badass robots for that: bombs and nukes are just fine.

nigga you're currently posting on 8ch LOL

This is why the revolutionary subject of the future will be the hacker and not the worker. Automation will be necessary to produce what capitalism requires in order to exist and to maintain state power; that's where the ruling class will become the weakest.

Better install Gentoo fams.

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Simple: communism.

It will happen, but only for the rich.

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Great song, but capitalists will never do this.

One of the great absurdities of the logic of capital - which we can see to a large extent in developed countries that have outsourced all production to the third world - is that it requires that people have money, but that in order to have money, you also need to work. You don't need to do anything useful, you just need to be kept busy in order to justify having money to spend, and you need to have something to do in order to have money to spend in order for capitalism to function. Otherwise the cycle of capital grinds to a halt because no one can give money to the bourgeoise so that they can use that money to buy more commodities to sell again.

Automation will turn most of the world into the precariat. They will have no revolutionary potential left and will be constantly vying with each other for a minimum wage job and a spot in line at the mall or the fast food restaurant. Though there are of course jobs that can never be automated away, these will be even more competitive than the already meager jobs out there - and oftentimes will require that you have some kind of muh privileged background that enabled you to get a better job and become part of the middle class through either having the right connections or getting an education.

This is the traitor who went back on his company's commitment to DRM-free and GG puts on a pedestal just because some clickbaiter scumbag tried to ruin his reputation with false reporting on a rape allegation.

Wew

the law of value breaks down under full automation. it'd no longer be capitalism and they wouldn't even need mass commodity production.

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Literally who cares. Redditors are liberals, imageboard users are fascists. Everything is terrible.

If they're willing to build an army of killbots just to preserve capitalism, why the fuck would they turn communist, even if it was an insular sort of communism?

Reddit is just a terrible design for discussion. It's a popularity contest that encourages group think through it's upboat system. It's garbage users are just a byproduct.

I didn't say it would create communism. I just said it wouldn't be capitalism anymore. Probably something worse.

When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea. He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself

m8, do you even know where you are

*every internet community

I look forward to it.
The machines which purge the useless will inevitably purge their masters as well, and then take off through the Universe destroying everything, but they'll still have machine stock markets where they create fake value while spreading, just because it is their mindlessly replicated programming.

Mankind's legacy will be an orbital nickel refinery in MACS0647-JD that is randomly started up and shut down because of the delay in communications and misfired supply orders.

Reddit's model basically designed for it. Mods can even spy on you and see if you're committing a thought crime on another sub. The same can't be said for imageboards.

It doesn't matter. The imageboard style of moderating and curating content has obviously failed given how thoroughly imageboard culture has been astroturfed by fascists.

Lol Holla Forums is shit. I like Holla Forums and know its shit

fuck off then.

Nukes will wreck the entire planet. Also, i doubt the militaries of said countries will be willing to nuke their cities to defeat a communist uprising. They do have connections to their ethnic group, or national identity, etc. That IS how they ended up commanding ICBM silos and wings of strategic bombers.

At least the USAF has psych screening to keep crazy from handling the nukes, I suspect other countries have similar protocols

Quit taking e-drama so seriously you fucking faggot. The internet is shit all around. Just pick whatever flavor of shit suits your palette best and go with it.

Not as shit is reddit. Nothing comes close.

Image board users have a much more diverse opinions then you think they do. Holla Forumstards are just vocal and extremely autistic.

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Stardock made Sins of a Solar Empire video game series. Sins only had DRM for multiplayer mode online. I dunno what happened when Rebellion was released, I play that on Steam by buying it….

Can you explain? Would you say neofeudalism like what neoreactionaroes jerk off about?

imagine ancient greece but robot slaves instead of humans

because all the non-capitalist humans were killed off

I used to post on TOTSE whwn it existed. THAT is shit. Also, some other forums which were…..cancerous.

Basically what Alex Jones and those other people say about claims of reducing the human population to 500mil by mass death and them being basically kept as slaves, only robots also are serving the bourgoeise?

They also made Galactic Civilizations which is one of my favorite turn based strategy games. What a shame.

please go back

trusting the CEO of a business who is talking about the products of said business

I feel like we're rapidly heading towards a grim cyberpunk future and nobody is doing anything about it.

Even just a few years ago it was "they're spying on me through my phone" and not "my phone itself is spying on me".

Cryptoanarchism is still a thing. I know of people.who.do that sort of stuff. Its not a lot but the more we show friends and whatnot open source stuff as well as.ways to defeat the NSA, the better.

Heh.

I thought GG also defended him as he declared for GG.

I believe he is. It's obvious why when video game yellow journalism nearly destroyed his life.

LMAO WHAT A FUCKING MORON HOLY SHIT

what's a Molotov cocktail to an automatic turret?

A joke on cost effectiveness.

Think how rubbish and buggy basically all capitalist devices with firmware are.

These bots will be beatable using human ingenuity, and WW1 era explosives, mines, sticky-bombs, shaped charges. Shredded carbon fiber jackets will get into electrical devices and short them out, or you wreck the centralized power generation and send them back to the stone age.

Cheer up comrades!

Technology can also be used by the people to become more self sufficient.
That is, it makes it cheaper for people to acquire their own means of production.

It's up to us, as both consumers and workers, to steer the development of technology towards a communist utopia!

We're assuming that AI will be good enough to suppress a revolution by the time AI causes a capitalist collapse. The thing is that all you really need to do to break the capitalist economy by way of mass unemployment would be self-driving cars and fully automated factories really, which doesn't require the level of artificial intelligence the article seems to be describing.

Or on the other side of the coin, perhaps a violent revolution is already moot, I mean why worry when you can bomb the protestors with human piloted UAVs?

Off the shelf laser diodes could blind their EM sensors from km away.
Magnetic mines, hell with the right team I could probably build explosivly pumped flux compression generators in my home workshop.

Wideband noise jammers to cut C&C, or just connect diesel gennys and blow the power grid, then siege them till their backup batteries run out.

Not afraid of no robot uprising.

I guess another thing to consider is that the working class of this dystopian future would mostly consist of computer programmers, if our current grown statistics carry on. If our working class are predominantly programmers it would be easy for the working class to make just as good, if not better AIs would it not?

I'm with this guy in the revolution

They don't need slaves anymore, idiot.

There is no need for a wider society in this picture.

Not to mention hacking the AIs and whatnot, as said. You can hack DRM and the Iraqi insurgents hacked at least one US predator drone before. Not to mention Iran. Insurgent groups will be itching to sabotage the robo drones and turn them to the revolution.

This is why Moot banned people under 18.

Of course. The robotics clubs at engineering schools will.basically end up being guerilla leaders. And hackerspaces.

The robotics club at my college basically learned how to fuck with bureaucracy in order to order stuff for soecial side projects. So in a cyberpunk dystopia they would certainly know how to do that sort of shit lol, say when they graduate to working and managing robotics factories…and intentionally putting weaknesses in the code for the rebels to use

Also combat robots and mechs are cost-inefficient af.
The current military tech we have is better than robots and mechs.

Im in my 20s

Especially with fucking SJWs.

Thats what the maker and 3D printer scene basicallyis advocating for.

Theres still externalities ie people living on land which has resources needed or say, people in space. They'd still have to trade

Well, some always slips through the cracks.

Also in my 20s. Looks like you're wrong oldfag.

Ah, so you're a manchild instead of a literal child. All is forgiven.

True Holla Forums here. I'm a software developer who specializes in computer vision. I take pleasure in making you obsolete. Your biomatter will be recommissioned for better uses, such as fueling and lubricating the machine. It's your fate.

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Holla Forums started is a containment board for a stormfag infestation. /News/ was fairly liberal. They accidentally attracted white supremacists to their site during one of their raids.

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Nigger, what makes you think you're going to be exempt?
Nationalist movements would likewise be crushed in favor of pure global plutocracy in the process.

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The largest supercomputers can only barely simulate the complexity of a rat brain (and they're still stumped on the software side of things), and we're pretty much capped out on the size of microprocessors due to them reaching a dimension so small quantum tunneling is affecting the reliability. Moore's Law is about to stop dead in its tracks. Nobody has the faintest fucking clue how to make computers work with something smaller than transistors.

So the idea that an AI with the abilities of an average human can be even created at all, much less with a "brain" smaller than a semi truck, and much MUCH less mass-produced for less than a billion dollars apiece is laughably absurd.

We're probably several centuries from being able to create something that will render humans totally obsolete. I don't have much faith in the world not nuking itself to oblivion before then.

What did they mean by this?

I can't help but question the validity of either of those assertions.

If they weren't crazy, they wouldn't maintain and operate the nukes, which is their job. If the screening process keeps out the only people that have control of nuclear weapons, the people that won't ever use them, then they become useless as a mass deterrent.

Too late…

Yeah if would be so terrible if people who believed in that the end of the world was the will of God controlled nuclear weapons.

wsws.org/en/articles/2005/04/acad-a30.html

kek

I remember a thread not long ago where I posted something about the bourgeoisie using machines to replace people in pretty much every job (that can be automated) under the sun and then when the hordes of unemployed proles revolt the same bourgeoisie will use machines the finish the job and genocide the proletariat.
Now I enter here and see this article. Man, I'm so badass, I'm even predicting the future now.

Maybe one of the porkies will feel bad for the proles and provide them with a robo army of their own.

You never know.

Have no fear comrades.
There are too many obstacles in the way of the robot uprising:

What do you build robot out of? cheap abundant renewable resources?
How do you power them? with cheap abundant renewable energy?

NO!

They are make out of highly processed and refined metals, silicon and rare-earth-metals.
They run on limited and costly fossil-fuels. Or they are plugged in to a power grid.

You want to beat the robots? Just shoot a transformer on their Recharge Power Station.

Have no Fear! Eco-Utopia, not Mech-Distopia, is humanity's future!

Nobody is replacing you. You were worthless in the first place.

From what I remember, the high command for the american military said several times they would bot engage in a first strike on the USSR, mainly during the Reagan Administration.

If they were willing to do so….during that situation, i suspect the high command will be *less* willing to do so to defeat a generic rebellion

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m8, that's not gonna happen

There's literally no benefit to the bourgeoise for genociding the entire world, and if nothing else I'm sure they enjoy being the ruling class.

t. edge

t. someone who has never studied computing technologies

What about the falling rate of profit?

t. someone who has no concept of externalities

You really think that spamming AWS nodes will solve everything? Read this from your own ideological rag that thinks everything will be solved if we just keep inventing more markets.

wired.com/2016/05/verizon-strike-proves-internet-still-needs-humans/

This is what I'm on about, this is what leftists should be focusing on preventing! If we get the robo-revolution in the bag the rest is history.

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It's pretty easy to make homemade bombs too

In a situation where most of the population is jobless and revolting you might see a lot of people doing it

slaves are cheaper to exploit than leased equipment. Companies hate capital expenses because they have to negotiate the purchase with another company. No bueno. Wageslaves are worthless and are replaceable.

This is why work was outsourced in the 90s, and not automated.

Automation will get more beneficial over humans, user. Remember, the sight for 15 people.basically are at risk of being replaced with robots. Robots wont strike, dont need nearly the same break/off time, as well as other limitations humans have.

Japan is racist enough that its basically developing robots so that they wont have to have foreigners immigrate to thwir country.

The US has a different culture and is more open to immigration so robots are weirder than importing millions of people and making them americans and borgifying their culture

A laser, or hell, even IR LEDs make that shit obsolete.

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HE WARNED YOU! BUT YOU DIDNT LISTING

This should come as no surprise to anyone.

The goal of the left should be to ensure that we get either a revolution or a UBI before the military becomes sufficiently automated to be able to crush any conceivable revolution. If we don't, billions will die.

Once the cost of automating every job drops below the cost of employing someone to do the job, capitalism will cease to function. There will be no employees - no working class. The only customers will be other factory owners, and hence the factories will be retooled to produce luxury goods and parts for more factories. The owners will no longer do things for profit, but because they want them done. On the bright side we would probably see them do some crazy shit like building giant city-sized pyramids on the moon just because they could. It would effectively be communism, but only for the bourgeois.

Kaczynski said the society was psychologically bad for humanity. Not that wed get immiserated by automation

*Techno Industrial Society
Yes we do get immiserated by technology with the effects of social depedent modern technology its need of docline population to keep the economy running. (Wich will eventually be taken over by bots and AI) All the negative effects of evolved plant's, the objective unpredicted conditions that get created by appliance of tech wich effects our lifes.

As a machinist, I have this to say:

We have a new robot operating one of our 5 axis CNC lathe and it's only job is to feed and/or remove parts from the machine. The robot can't tell if the machine is making faulty parts, the robot can't tell if the inserts are worn out or chipped. The robot can't make setups on the machine or replace worn out or broken tools. The bar pusher can have only so many bars in it. Someone has to keep an eye on it and measure parts regularly and feed the machine more bars.

The other issue I see is that traditional CNC lathes aren't automation friendly. Of course they could redesign the machines to be more automatable so it can do it's own setups. I think some CNC lathes use the same tool holders as milling so it could have a huge magazine of tools ready on standby for jobs. However there is so many things that can go wrong its not even funny. And I can't imagine the machine changing its own tools and inserts.

Another issue is metal shavings, that shit gets everywhere and i can't imagine a machine that could auto clean all of it. Since we rarely do maintenance where I work, one of our milling's tool magazine got so full shit it fucked with the sensor during one job and picked the wrong tool. It picked a face mill and smashed itself into the vice. There goes a $1K face mill.

I also can't imagine a machine that could measures a variety complex of parts by itself without human assistance.

The thing with machining is that you're making a variety of parts of different size, shape, complexity and precision, you're not shitting millions of the same standardized nuts, bolts and parts like other factories.

What I'm trying to say is, I don't think full automation is possible in all fields. I also don't believe in machines that could build themselves. At least not at the present time.

Of course it's going to take time. Cutting edge research is always half a century ahead of widespread implementation. The thing is, those problems aren't insurmountable. We have all the pieces needed to solve them. Someone just needs to take those pieces and put them together. It's an engineering problem, not a theoretical physics or computer science problem.

At this point in time building a self-replicating factory is no more difficult than landing a man on the moon was in the 1960s. That is to say, it's just going to take a shitload of money.

My prediction is largely positive tbh.

Why would they abandon factories? They could just tell the factories to start making automated war machines so they could try and seize the means of production from other porkies. Or, if they're Trump, they could start mass producing solid gold statues of their penises.

Not at all. Robot automation will bring about the revolution. Already we can see leftist influence increasing as social platforms produce populist values as a matter of course. Robotic automation will either render production itself a hobby or pasttime for the average citizen or it will force the population's hand and revolution will be simply the most immediately beneficial course to the average person, ie, the revolution will happen.

Fascists believe this will be in their favor and they'll get their Not Socialist utopia. Not hardly; nationality means increasingly less as distance becomes increasingly meaningless. It is unsurprising that now is the time when nationalism should rear its reactionary head, when people must come to terms with the inability of nations of people to adequately respond to its own people's mercurial needs. We are witnessing the death of nations. Good! They deserve death.

The capitalists will have their very own robot armies just in time too protect their hoarded stocks of food and water in the wake of worsening climate change. Buckle up faggots.

If it came right down to it and there reached an overwhelming systemic consumption crisis brought about by automation, it would mean in no uncertain terms the end of capitalism.

As for what happens in the immediate aftermath, I think that just as Communist revolutions occurred historically not in countries containing a large class of wage earners workers but in states comprising truly glaring material wealth inequality, a similar pattern would emerge as automation effectively reduces the position of the vast majority of the population.

The real question here is, could there really be enough robotic drones under the control of the post-bourgeois elite to commit the effective genocide of 95 percent of the country? And would there truly be no effective recourse, the advantage of numbers alone is staggering. The recent history of asymmetric warfare in the middle east suggests technological superiority is no easy guarantee of victory

Even under the most draconian conditions the information regarding and design of solar power cells and basic manufacturing units I doubt could not be held secret for ever. Wouldn't it just take the capturing of a few manufacturing and energy centers to begin if not an actual class war, than at least the beginnings of a parallel economy?

Utter bullshit. I was there from the beginning, when it was not even /news/ but still /n/. It was never liberal. Nor was it full nazi either.

Full automation means no workers
No workers means no disposable income
No disposable income means no profit for capitalists
If they want to go down that road they are ensuring their own demise.

Profit doesn't matter when they already have all the fucking money.

I feel that you should read Marx comrade.

People are saying that automation would mean that porky would go bankrupt without having the working class' wages. What about credit and debt? You all know what happened after the 1970's. Credit replaced wages. Won't we all be servicing the robots, born into miles of debt?