How do we fix the black american and turn them from reactionaries to true revolutionaries?

don't give me this liberal "racist" bullshit i want to FIX them.a huge percentage of them are the most religious people in america and they don't even realize their situation or who the true enemy is they are totally fucked.

its funny because they are only in that church because they adopted the religions of their slavers. lol. the american negro is the saddest story ever told

You don't fix people, you give them the means to emancipate themselves.

Oh, hi, racist Palestinian idiot! Last time we spoke I thought you were only anti-semitic. What a shame. It seems you are a full blown retard.

The nature of the black church may be a 'beneficial' thing but Abragamic religion is still cancer. Also, younger people tend to dislike Christianity. Ot be more irreligious. Its mainly the older people who are spooked with that shit

We're all totally fucked m8. America is like the most religious first world country in the world, and class consciousness is very low among every race. Introducing fedora tipping into the black community or otherwise trying to spread consciousness through political, ideological means is going to fail you. Capitalism will continue to recuperate all struggles that don't attack capital based on its own logic, by putting strain on profit by pushing the self-interest of the working class in the sites of industrial production that are necessary in order for capitalism to exist.

Not only that, but as I already said, as a class black workers are no more or less fucked than white workers. So unless you actually give a shit about racism, this thread could only have been made by a fucking idiot or a racist.

I wouldn't blame you for wanting to say shoot all the shitty black preachers who justify beating kids and/or other reactionary bullshit.

I remember those fucking shitheads who gloat on black radio about how theyll go to jail proudly for beating their kids. I wantef to basically have some form of secret police go about and string them up and blow their fucking brains out in front of their children to show how shit they are as parents that killing them and traumatizing their kids in the process is a better thing to do

why is it that liberals, stormniggers, and ancraps are the only ones that don't get hyperbole, lack the ability to understand general meaning of statements, obvious implications, and constantly miss the forest for the trees?

The pieces of shit on radio arent just preachers. Its generally shitty black parents. Purge them too. Even better if its fedora tippers and neopagans. Even if the black hotep types and whatnot are excellent themselves.

Give us a socialist republic? Just to point out if you actually get a communist revolution I doubt well be fucking reactionaries defending the system versus literal communists.

Depending on what happens/the social context you can go anticlerical given theres jokes of shitty black preachers ripping off their "flock" and buying expensive ass cars.

Literally, the BLM types have basically post capitalists some of then legitimate communists (check their new manifesto/demands).

Black Identity Matters

It's not as if I'm in favor of religion, or that I disagree with you. But what you're saying isn't what OP is proposing.

Maybe you should learn to communicate your thoughts more clearly. Your writing is pretty shit and you seem to have no idea what you're talking about.

Like many people on Holla Forums, you're a LARPer who has never done any praxis, reads little theory, but gets all worked up by the groupthink and posts threads along the lines of "how do we stop x", "what do we do about y" - the equivalent of a "generals" thread, just on a specific political issue. Nothing useful ever gets posted, people repeat the same talking points, and everyone goes home feeling like they've done something important while continuing to have changed nothing or even at least put themselves on the line for a cause.

You should chill out and be self-critical, and read some shit. You're not going to "fix" the black community anytime soon, and if you keep going on how you are you'll end up getting quite rightfully jumped for being a dumbass cracker who doesn't know what it's like to deal with racism your whole life.

Hmm, the OP is basically asking how to get black people more revolutionary. He suggests basically perhaps removing Christian influence. I agree even though I agreed with the trotskyist who said black churches, while cancer still promote social justice and whatnot campaigns.

Honestly the best thing (in my opinion) would probably be a form of natiobalist or socialist agitator group which can take advantage of riots which break out over random shit and turn them into Les Miserables style barricades and to try to make a stand. Its more organized and doesnt turn into ethnic pogroms or whatnot but it still is organized against capital and the state.

It prolly wont work and will probably get crushed by the national guard, but you can basically weaken those wills by saying say (to.black soldiers) "dont shoot your people! The real enemy is the politicians who sent you to kill your blood! Turn your weapons on them!")

That's pretty much exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. The only way that the black community is going to be made more revolutionary is by showing solidarity with them - and that means putting your white ass on the line by doing shit like what you're talking about. Otherwise you're nothing more than another middle class white guy telling everyone else what they're supposed to be doing, reproducing white savior narratives.

I don't think it would cause much systemic change but it would at least show that white people are supportive of black folks' struggles against racism. And that alone would make them a lot more willing to hear revolutionaries' analyses of capitalism's influence on racism and the problems it poses as a whole.

Interesting idea. Makes sense, ive seen people complain about 'white liberals' ie Malcolm X said a lot on that.

Though i suspect it would probably be better for the major agitators to.be black so it doesn't seem like a white owned astro turfing organization.

(Also im black)

I'm not OP, maybe you should look at flags sometimes

Source?

youtube.com/watch?v=93qUNJSvZUI

This was good time.

Honestly the black community in America has a lot of problems but almost all of them are directly linked to their economic situation.

Black people, because of the long term affects of Jim Crow and to a lesser extent slavery, have a much lower standard of living on average than their white counterparts…on average.

Like any poor community they tend to be religious, but this is quickly ending as the newer generations are increasingly, not atheist, but Christians in name only.

The black community also has a serious problem with "thug culture" but this is also reinforced by their awful economic situation. If your mom is working all the time and she is the only parent so you have no supervision you will behave in the way that children who are unsupervised behave, poorly. Also, it is important to remember that for many of them their economic future consists of either working a manual labor menial wage job which his compatriots are likely to scorn him for having in the first place, or he can sell crack on the corner and make thousands of dollars in a week. In a world where many people struggle to feed themselves the temptation of quick easy money is simply too much to resist.

Because of these factors the education system has seriously let down the black community. The trend of black youth growing up with a single parent creates unrully, poorly behaved children, and because of this when they go to school, they act like hooligans, at least more often than their more wealthy counterparts. And because of this behavior and how it can be infectious in a school environment unless it immediately uprooted and put to a stop the school itself then starts to do poorly because the grades are falling and as a result they are punished by the school system by providing the school with even less funding which means that the teachers and staff are able to provide even less to their students and it creates a spiraling cycle of failure and degradation. Then, when a black child who is well behaved, intelligent, and a good student goes to these schools simply because he lives in the wrong neighborhood he receives a sub-par education and is subjected to the toxic culture that created the situation in the first place and this irrevocable damages the child's potential to succeed in life.

This failure to properly educate the black community also extends to sexual education. The black community in the United States has the highest rates of STD transmission because of poor sexual education. It also creates the awful situation mentioned previously of the epidemic of single parent households in black communities.

The answer to these problems is, quite honestly, painfully obvious. More money needs to be injected into the education system specifically targeting schools that are preforming poorly really all schools that are doing bad should get extra funding but were talking specifically about the black community right now over a long period of time to increase the potential of the students to grow and be productive.

There also need to be economic programs set up to give black working class people the opportunities to get off of the streets slinging dope and pursue a legitimate career path THAT ACTUALLY PAYS WELL to stop the tide of gang culture.

Also, more generally, the way most of these criminal organizations which hurt the black community the most make their money is through the drug trade so the answer would obviously be to simply legalize pot so gangs cant make money off of it and provide much stiffer sentences for the SELLING of more dangerous and "hardcore" drugs. Individuals who are simply addicted need to receive treatment in order to rehabilitate them so that they can once again become functioning members of society.

This is a pretty long post but honestly I am only scratching the surface.

Oh yeah also socialism. Socialism will also help black people.

afro turfing?

Astro turf is that fake grass and fake dirt they use on football fields instead of… you know… the ground.

So when you astro turf something you are covering up the real thing and trying to make it better or more hygienic than it really is.

kill niggers

:^)

could you please provide one single shred of evidence that blacks are more reactionary than whites?

They beat there kids more than any other race and go to church more than any other race.

I'll repeat myself, could you please provide evidence that blacks are more firmly in favour of capitalism than whites?

Black people voted for Hillary Clinton over B████ ██████.

will Holla Forums ever learn that black people are lumpenprole violent savages that only care about air Jordans and "RESPEK"?

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Also I forgot to mention that since all of this is happening and producing inferior black people as opposed to them fulfilling their potential feeds into racism.

If you are a cop and a vast majority of the people who shoot at you, run from you, are uncooperative with you, and generally commit the most crime are black you probably wont be thinking about the broader social and economic conditions that created the environment that spawned these people. probably because you are a cop, and cops are generally fucking retarded Instead you just think "fucking niggers".

This causes police officers to do things like abuse their authority when dealing with blacks because they have already dehumanized them and when these instances get major coverage it causes black people in general to show even more disrespect for police which just feeds into the cycle and things continually get worse.

As for the racism of non authority wielding whites, they are racist because either they were raised that way or they have convinced themselves via anecdotal experience or… you know… Holla Forums.

These racists are mostly incidental and you cant really get rid of them without being great purge levels of authoritarian. The only cure for culturally inherited racism is time and improving the black community so that they have less to complain about. If all the black people in your neighborhood are well behaved clean friendly people who aren't criminals then why would you grow to hate them? You know?

because they look like apes and are unpleasant to look at

no they are beautiful. Watch this youtube.com/watch?v=93qUNJSvZUI

Black comrade here, I agree with you completely. Everyone on here whining about black churches doesn't know what they're talking about. Go read MLK's later speeches and writings about economics and the Vietnam War. He didn't see any contradiction between his beliefs and a desire for economic liberation.

Religion isn't the same in black churches as in white Catholic or Protestant churches. It's an expression of the general thoughts and disposition of the community themselves, and serve as a community hub just as much as they do a house of worship.

In the 60's you had the Black Panthers, MLK, Malcolm X, etc. stirring up the community and the churches largely followed. Now that it's all identity politics bullshit, they support that too. We don't need to worry about the churches, we need to give black workers class consciousness, and the churches will reflect that.

Truth.

Churches ARE politics. They can be for you or against you. Religion is just another avenue of governance.

Keep in mind Jesus and his followers kept a single purse.

Great analysis. It's truly a breath of fresh air. I'm also thankful for my fellow blacks comrades
for their comments. I'm thinking of trying to inject socialist rhetoric into my campus' BLM group, the only political student group with any serious/widespread clout, so it's useful to hear what other Holla Forumsers think on the subject.

Revolutionary? Spooks are revolutionary now.

This bad idea is turning up again and again in BLM,, and the ultra-spooky Nation of Islam is all over BLM events recruiting.

Just to point out: black fathers are involved in their kids life. Unmarried does notean uninvolved

If our culture is still distinct from white people it would be a problem. Well behaved is a relative term after all. White peoplw tend to narurally be quieter than black people after all even if black ppl are trying to be quiet for whites

jokes on you i'm not white

Do it. They're predisposed to leftist emtryism

african american is the most racist term i've ever heard. Fuck these africa is the motherland dipshits. It's understandable, considering the country isn't always very friendly to us. But the implication is that we have some visceral, genetic connection with africa and that idea is racist as fuck

Race relations in america are fucked up beyond belief. You can't "fix" black people, fix the entire lower class.

Also stop with "lumpen" bullshit. According to marx literally everyone who lives a ghetto is lumpen to some degree.

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minor squabble. they act like 'hooligans' because they are children and the schools are penal colonies to break them down and break them in, to whiteness and capitalism. the schools as both ideological and repressive state apparatus. maybe hooliganism could be 'cured' by (our idea of, real) education but that isn't what the school offers, it demands submission and obedience and freedom from criticism. the schools are the problem to begin with, not the tragic result of poor or black people. children are an endless reservoir of human virtue, but they stop giving a shit about school once they see it offers no help to their real problems and doesn't acknowledge them as humans with legitimate thoughts and feelings.

t. yt substitute teacher in a very segregated county

they do.

drugs and capitalism have ruined them, turned their own brothers into betrayers. there is a reason why the black panthers fell when crack/heroin became big, they gave up the struggle for sloth and ignorance. they are fucked, if you don't want to admit that then you are a liberal faggot.

SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST MOTHERFUCKER

Why should we have to show solidarity with their struggles? There is a struggle we all have in common. They shouldnt need any convincing to do something about it.

Shoot cops get anarchy yo.

Given the white struggle is a different one and laden with priviledge in a feeling that the american empire is THEIRS and is controlled by then, uh yeah you will need convincing that the white struggle is theirs….

All struggle is class struggle. There isn't a "white struggle" or a "black struggle" that's reactionary nonsense. That kind of thinking just fuels white supremacy and race baiting.

Black identity is a spook, an illusion. Be however you like.

See those crackers running for office? those are our enemies. The ruling class. We want freedom, we want to own ourselves, not be owned.

Race matters, user

Sure there are differences between races, just like any other animal. But really it's not a big deal or handicapping enough to be noticeable.

Most of us have a goal in common. We want to be free, truly own ourselves. Lets satisfy that ego.

You're absolutely right that the major agitators would need to be black, otherwise they wouldn't be representing themselves. Which would be a problem.

I'm actually white tbh. Solidarity comrade.

You don't just overturn a lifetime of having your identity reified as an axis of oppression by memeing about how it's a spoog XDDD

Human psychology doesn't fucking work that way fam. Recognizing that categories of identity are spooks and that humans are essentially free and unique, one can decide to take actions, such as destroying structures of power which reify these identities, that will shape one's beliefs and feelings. Which is how you actually de-spook yourself.

For example: There are lots of people who aren't religious, but still have deep-set fears about shit like going to Hell because of how they were raised. Intellectualizing away your spooks doesn't work.

How is a white middle class fanily at risk of being automated away having the same struggle of a black dude whos basically outside the system legally, socially, financially and is basically living a grey market existence? One of these people has a different relationship to the state.

Please tell me how some white bitch telling me to go back to Africa in a debate on affirmative action is a "spook". Or how lynching and segregation is nothing, because spooks

The way people have phrased it the major reason the US didnt at least go social democacy was due to the black-white racial difference.